What the fu... Was that Miss Jackson's..?

[BigJohn&TheLions]

What was that set up tit shot of Janet Jackson? Anyone record that and see if it was really what it looked like? What a PR move. I used to like her (like 15 years ago)

[Tasan]

What was that set up tit shot of Janet Jackson? Anyone record that and see if it was really what it looked like? What a PR move. I used to like her (like 15 years ago)
I'll be checking the dvd after the game.

[JeeberD]

Pastie!

[tucker342]

LOL:D

[SunDancer]

YES IT WAS HER NIPPLE....

[SunDancer]

Actually, her whole boob was showing

[Comey]

YES IT WAS HER NIPPLE....
How do you know for sure? It looked like it, but do you have proof?

If so, please post it. ;)

[Sloan]

Proof is out there. ..

[SunDancer]

Its clearer, but doesn't show as much as the one i posted.

[Eaglesfan27]

Remember Skydog's warning about links and such.

[Sloan]

True, if you want to see the video, go to fark.com and read the comments section on the Janet article. One of the first few posts lists some links.

[SunDancer]

True, I will delete my links then.

[kcchief19]

How in the HECK did you find that so fast? I'm equally impressed that someone has it online already, but I can't imagine that would show up in a search engine.

[MizzouRah]

My friend and I sat there for a moment. Too bad my Tivo isn't hooked up due to new carpet arriving tomorrow. :(


Todd

[Sloan]

How in the HECK did you find that so fast? I'm equally impressed that someone has it online already, but I can't imagine that would show up in a search engine.

I found it in four places. I guess when I need naked women fast I know where to look. Its a talent I have I guess. :D

[gottimd]

My TiVo is working and my fiance and I are debating on whether that was staged or an accident. We Tivo'd at the end of halftime to see, but the results have been inconclusive.

[Tasan]

We are all part of a nipple nation.


I got nothin'

[Cringer]

hxxxxxxxp://www.teamrice.com/~d00/superbowl_janet.jpg

someone has a pic from HDTV up here. Best shot i have seen so far

[MizzouRah]

True, if you want to see the video, go to fark.com and read the comments section on the Janet article. One of the first few posts lists some links.
There is an awesome close up shot. It looks like an aluminum paste.


Todd

[gottimd]

I'm sure this will be all over the news by tomorrow morning, if not late night news tonight. Parents, Guardians, etc will be appauled that CBS even showed that. CBS more likely will be urged to come out with a statement either:

A) admitting that it was a planned thing, and to apologize
B) Say it was an accident, and apologize

[Cringer]

Yeah, the close up looks like a silver star paste thing, but it sure doesn't cover EVERYTHING, just close

[Sloan]

The Drudge Report has a pretty funny picture of Janet covering up and staring at Justin. Very high quality pic.

[miami_fan]

I can't believe CBS would even come close to approving a planned ending. I don't think they would have the 'nads especially after they were ripped for the Reagan movie

[QuikSand]

Okay, so as I understand it, what we have here is:

-a sizable group of men and boys...
-obsessing over a picture of a semi-exposed breast...
-which is incidentally covered by a pastie of some sort...
-on the fucking internet!

What am I missing here? If you want to see a breast, and you have internet access, I think you ought to be able to work it out. Good luck with that.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Looked staged to me. If it wasn't, what the hell was he doing ripping clothes off anyway?

[Ksyrup]

When they announced a special "mystery guest" performing at halftime, I had no clue it would be a boobie.

[VPI97]

-a sizable group of men and boys...
-obsessing over a picture of a semi-exposed breast...
-which is incidentally covered by a pastie of some sort...
-on the fucking internet!We are FOFC?

[Tasan]

We are FOFC?
So true.



Plus, I think its just the startle factor, seeing it on CBS and all.

[Ksyrup]

Looked staged to me. If it wasn't, what the hell was he doing ripping clothes off anyway?
It was staged, and supposedly approved by CBS, according to Drudge.

[Pumpy Tudors]

It was staged, and supposedly approved by CBS, according to Drudge.

Yeah, I keep seeing these links to Drudge. Now I ask, who the hell is this Drudge character, and why is he credible?

[JW]

Good thing it had some support beneath it, or that thing would have sagged all the way to her navel.

[yabanci]

the whole halftime show was shameful. In fact, everything about the superbowl except the actual game was completely lame.

[Pumpy Tudors]

the whole halftime show was shameful. In fact, everything about the superbowl except the actual game was completely lame.

Yeah, but that's true every year!

[SunDancer]

Was anyone distrub by Kid Rock's American flag?

[Ksyrup]

I was doing other things while the halftime was on - what was the deal? Was it supposed to be some sort of flashback, or something like that? First, I heard Oh Mickey defiled (and that's saying something) with references to P. Diddy, the self-proclaimed "black Sinatra," then I see Kid Rock doing his hit from like 7 years ago, then Janet Jackson doing something that looked like it might be Rhythm Nation (although I wouldn't know what that song sounds like, but I saw the Nation sign). I missed Aerosmith and have no clue who the "mystery guest" was. Then there was the whole tit thing.

[SFL Cat]

Drudge report has a pic that very clearly shows it is indeed her boob. I thought at first it might have been covered, but all she had was some kind of metal-looking tassle-thingy covering her nipple. The linked story indicates that despite what they say, CBS execs knew it was coming. What a smutty show. MTV probably cost itself doing any other Super Bowl events in the next 10 years or so. Kind of reminds me of the staged thing where Mic Jagger ripped off Tina Turners skirt...that one was planned too and I think MTV was involved in that event too.

[Peregrine]

What was the deal with Kid Rock's cutting open an American flag and draping it over himself? That seemed to be pushing the boundaries of good taste and respect a bit.

[Suicane75]

Yeah, but that's true every year!

No, usualy it's retarded, but this year they had Nelly talking about spilling his seed, girls wearing next to nothing and 90% of what was on them was stuffed up their asses and Janet Jackson taking out her tit on TV. I don't have kids but If I did It would be a fuckin shame if I had to turn them away from the damn SuperBowl halftime show cause I didn't want him seeing a naked chick or hearing Nelly talk about which girl he's gonna dump his junk in next.

[Honolulu_Blue]

For fuck's sake. It's a fucking tit. Over 50% of the population has two of them. I can't believe CBS was "bombarded" by calls because one of Janet Jackson's tits was flashed on screen for a second. I didn't even see it. I am sure children across the nation will be horribly scarred by this horrific event.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I ask again: Who is Drudge?

[SFL Cat]

^^^ Obvious you don't have kids, hockey puck. How many girls do you know who would let you rip her clothes off to expose her booby in public, let alone the millions who watch the Super Bowl. What kind of message does that send?

[Buccaneer]

Statement by NFL Executive Vice President Joe Browne regarding the Super Bowl halftime show:

"We were extremely disappointed by elements of the MTV-produced Halftime show. They were totally inconsistent with assurances our office was given about the show. It's unlikely that MTV will produce another Super Bowl halftime."

Society would be much better if MTV would not produce anything more, anywhere, ever. Imo.

[Deattribution]

Have all the wives of the members of this board suddenly started posting? cause that's what a bunch of you sound like.

It's the super bowl... beer, women, usual crappy music, and a football game.

You just watch it an enjoy the game, not sit around to piss and moan about every little thing like you are the PTA.


Unless your kids are getting online to get the 'high definition blown up enlarged' pictures, I don't think you have to worry about them being bothered... not to mention it wasn't anything in the first place.

[Tasan]

I ask again: Who is Drudge?
Matt Drudge, from www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com)

Reports all kinds of news, and usually has things right. Mainly links to news stories, but also commentary and reports of his own.

[yabanci]

Yeah, but that's true every year!

It probably is, but I don't remember seeing so much in-your-face sexuality. It doesn't offend me personally, but there are a hell of a lot of kids watching the superbowl who don't need to see an "it's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes" duet, Janet Jackson grinding her ass all over Justin Timberlake, about 250 half-naked people dancing around like cheap strippers, and a sagging old tit with the nipple painted silver. Sure, CBS and MTV want to be "shocking," but they ought to show a little judgment considering the audience.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Are we to expect a bunch of girls going around in public letting boys rip off their tops? If they weren't going to do it before this, they're certainly not any more likely to do so now.

[SFL Cat]

My 12-year old daughter was watching the Super Bowl with me, and she was very embarrassed. She thought it was gross. My wife was in the room and was like, "omigod, did what I think just happened happen?"

[Pumpy Tudors]

Matt Drudge, from www.drudgereport.com (http://www.drudgereport.com)

Reports all kinds of news, and usually has things right. Mainly links to news stories, but also commentary and reports of his own.

Thanks. Shall we consider him a credible source?

[Tasan]

Thanks. Shall we consider him a credible source?
Yes. He's right/accurate at least as much as most major news sources, if not moreso.

[SFL Cat]

As a previous poster said, he's usually dead-on, not always, but a lot of the time...and he's usually the first one to break stories like this.

[Ksyrup]

I wouldn't have ever thought of this before I was a parent, but I was a little shocked at the Van Helsing commercial they showed during the first half. Just what I'd want my pre-teen to see moments before bed time - werewolves, dracula, and other assorted life-like monsters attacking people.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I wouldn't have ever thought of this before I was a parent, but I was a little shocked at the Van Helsing commercial they showed during the first half. Just what I'd want my pre-teen to see moments before bed time - werewolves, dracula, and other assorted life-like monsters attacking people.

I don't have any kids, but I have to say that I found that commercial much more disturbing than anything else during the broadcast, except perhaps Phil Simms.

[Ksyrup]

Lucky for me, my daughter went to sleep by 8. Maybe I'm a bit more sensitive to it because she got up last night at 3 am having had a bad dream. If she had seen that commercial, she likely would have needed therapy to get to sleep tonight.

[SFL Cat]

Only if your kids have a hard time discerning between make-believe and real life.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm just intrigued by the "was it staged or was it an accident" aspect of it.

I've seen plenty of boobs. Actually, I'm on my way upstairs to see a couple more. Night all.

[Ksyrup]

Only if your kids have a hard time discerning between make-believe and real life.
At 4? The idea of a werewolf is much easier to comprehend than a fat guy who delivers presents once a year.

[SFL Cat]

Definitely planned and staged, why else would she be wearing a pasty?

[Tasan]

Only if your -------> kids<------ have a hard time discerning between make-believe and real life.
Depending on the age, I'd have to say a lot have this problem.

[Comey]

I'm just intrigued by the "was it staged or was it an accident" aspect of it.

I've seen plenty of boobs. Actually, I'm on my way upstairs to see a couple more. Night all.
DD, I'm glad you've gotten over looking into the mirror. But you don't have to flaunt yourself.

;)

[Pumpy Tudors]

Was the tit real or make-believe?

[SFL Cat]

Looked pretty real to me...especially from the photo on Drudge.

[yabanci]

silicone.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I hope I have swayed this discussion in a direction that I am actually comfortable with. Yay!

[Craptacular]

MTV and CBS shouldn't exist, and that was my opinion before the Super Bowl.

[miami_fan]

I hope I have swayed this discussion in a direction that I am actually comfortable with. Yay!

I was already on to yuor evil scheme! :D

[yabanci]

Wardrobe malfunction???

"Timberlake said he did not intend to expose Jackson's breast.

"I am sorry that anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance of the Super Bowl," Timberlake said in a statement. "It was not intentional and is regrettable." "

[sabotai]

a "wardrobe malfunction". Is that what it's called when you grab a piece of clothing and rip it off?

[miami_fan]

Wardrobe malfunction???

"Timberlake said he did not intend to expose Jackson's breast.

"I am sorry that anyone was offended by the wardrobe malfunction during the halftime performance of the Super Bowl," Timberlake said in a statement. "It was not intentional and is regrettable." "

Well technically her wardrobe did malfunction :D Does this mean it was not staged or planned?

[CamEdwards]

so he actually just meant to grab it? o-kay.

And for what it's worth, I was just as offended (if not more so) by Kid Rock's wearing of the American flag. It's a flag, dude... not a poncho.

[Ksyrup]

No, he's sorry she was wearing a pastie. That wasn't in the plan, but Janet lost her nerve.

[yabanci]

Well, I'm going to go have a wardrobe malfunction and take a shower.

[Comey]

Anyone who was questioning about Janet being real/fake, MTV.com has a picture of both Timberlake and Janet looking at her exposed boob...as part of their slideshow, entitled Super Bowl Halftime Highlights (or something like that).

I figure that confirms for me that it was staged.

[Suicane75]

Have all the wives of the members of this board suddenly started posting? cause that's what a bunch of you sound like.

It's the super bowl... beer, women, usual crappy music, and a football game.

You just watch it an enjoy the game, not sit around to piss and moan about every little thing like you are the PTA.


Unless your kids are getting online to get the 'high definition blown up enlarged' pictures, I don't think you have to worry about them being bothered... not to mention it wasn't anything in the first place.

Its not this specific event that pisses me off, it's that it gets worse and worse while the morality of the culture sinks lower and lower. In and of itself was it a horrible gut wrenching thing? No it wasn't. It's the fact that It has become standard in our culture for children to be aimed at as consumers by people selling them sex.

[Dutch]

Well,

I was embarrassed for my 8 and 9 year old kids who were basically taken aback by the whole show. Seeing men in ladies underwear, teenage boys humping old ladies, old ladies showing their boobs...rappers pulling cheerleaders skirts up....

What the heck does that have to do with the Super Bowl? It wasn't outrageous. It was out of place. I found it very controversial, however, so I'm sure it will make CBS a lot of money somehow.

[SFL Cat]

I hope the FCC slaps CBS with a huge fine.

[Wasabiak]

CBS=Can't Broadcast Sports.........Or anything else for that matter.

Boy, i wish i would have seen it live. I was over on ESPN2 watching poker. :mad:

[Craptacular]

Wait ... you wish you watched the halftime show?!?!? I wish I turned on Oxygen or something.

[Wasabiak]

Well, hindsight dude. To be honest, i don't think i have EVER seen a Superbowl halftime show. They always suck. But when tits are part of the program.......Well, it would have been funny to see is all.

Reminds me of the NHL game that Xena (whatever her name is) sang the National Anthem, and her rack fell out in the process. That was kinda cool. Is she related to the lead singer from WASP?

[Travis]

Heh, having seen a bit of, uh, proof now, that wasn't any pasty, more of a very elaborate nipple ring from the looks of things (and thanks to ye ole magnification). That and the piece covering her breast was held on with push buttons, you know, the kind easily ripped off, say, on purpose...

That, or I can see why Britney would want to call the relationship off if that's the way Justin likes to "gently caress", I mean, just own up to the ploy already.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Normally I don't bother with the halftime show. This time, my old lady was here and wanted to see it. Definetly staged. Viewing the closeup on drudge (i don't like him one bit) that my friends, is a breast. The "pasty" is actually a nipple ring. Look closely, you can see the bar going through the nipple.

Janet is looking a bit worn these days. Her hair covered the face for the most part, but in the stills she doesn't look good. And as far as the exposure of her breast goes, she just went even farther downhill in my book. Totally classless. And not even the best (or in the top 100) breast I have seen...

It's official: The superbowl has become a complete joke. At least the game was good, not that anyone who has anything to do with the surrounding hoopla cares about the inconsiquential game. Maybe in the future, the game itself can be moved to monday night so they can fill the rest of the time with awful music, exposed body parts, and commercials with fart jokes. May God have mercy on us all if we have sunk to this level...

[Travis]

But it's still a cool nipple ring.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

My ol' lady just hipped me to something about the song he was singing (I have no clue about pop culture or it's music, nor do I really care who he is.) Apparently, in the chorus he says "I'm gonna have you naked by the end of this song." Naa, couldn't be staged. Miss Jackson would never go with that, as well as her career is going. I mean, she did sing a hit FROM 1989!

[Suicane75]

What the hell are any of the people they had up there gonna sing? They all sang songs that were at least 3 years old for gods sakes. If they wanted anything relevant they should have just given Outkast or Beyonce Knoles 10-15 minutes to do a a few songs and get the place rockin.

[kcchief19]

I think I understand why CBS didn't want to air the MoveOn.org or PETA ad now. They don't want something that incendiary on the Super Bowl broadcast.

Wait a minute ...

[astralhaze]

"I'm gonna have you naked by the end of this song."
Actually, and thank God I only know this because I just watched the video, not only is that in the chorus, that is what he is singing right as he is pulling off the snap off cup. An accident? A "wardrobe malfunction"*? Uh huh. Way to insult our intelligence.


*side note: What the hell? Unless that outfit had some sort of mechanical parts I'm not aware of it can't malfunction.

[Suicane75]

*side note: What the hell? Unless that outfit had some sort of mechanical parts I'm not aware of it can't malfunction.


Maybe a cuckoo bird was supposed to pop out and let us know the 2nd half was about to begin.

[SuburbanPimp]

I don't know why everyone is getting so upset.

I wear pasties like that all the time...including right now.

Rawr.

[andy m]

i once had a quote of the moment on FOFC, it read:

"the super bowl half time show is for people who can't find porn on the internet".

even more appropriate this year.

[Tekneek]

It probably is, but I don't remember seeing so much in-your-face sexuality. It doesn't offend me personally, but there are a hell of a lot of kids watching the superbowl who don't need to see an "it's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes" duet, Janet Jackson grinding her ass all over Justin Timberlake, about 250 half-naked people dancing around like cheap strippers, and a sagging old tit with the nipple painted silver. Sure, CBS and MTV want to be "shocking," but they ought to show a little judgment considering the audience.

I see what you are saying, but I also cannot see how this changes anything about the society we live in. A bunch of women could have been out there singing and dancing with no skin showing and it would not change the way people act and dress in this country.

[Tekneek]

I don't even know who came up with the idea of 'halftime entertainment' anyway. Have people review the game up to that point, go over the stats, say what they think may happen, and then do a best of highlights segment from the entire season. It is the championship game for the NFL, and the end of its competitive season, so it would be more fitting to pay tribute to the ending season, its past, Hall of Famers, and so on, than throw cabaret acts onto the field with pyrotechnics. The halftime presentation at the stadium could be the same video montages they would run on TV, and perhaps have statistical leaders and season award winners at the 50 for an awards presentation (excluding the guys who are actually playing in the Super Bowl).

Oh, wait, I know why they have the entertainment. It draws in some viewers for those few minutes that absolutely do not care about the game and aren't watching the rest of it. It's a sell-out.

[Karim]

I guess they were worried about the Lingerie Bowl attracting too many viewers.

[Draft Dodger]

there are some pictures out today that do confirm what Big John said above - it definitely is a nipple ring, not a pasty.

[j51]

This is what happens when you remove God from public schools.

[WussGawd]

Yes. He's right/accurate at least as much as most major news sources, if not moreso.

:rolleyes:

[Easy Mac]

SO, you'll let your children watch men violently beat the shit out of each other, curse a storm on the sidelines (trust me you can tell what they say), but you get all freaked out when a nipple comes out at halftime?

[Easy Mac]

dola, let your kid go to a PG-13 movie and they'll see the exact same things... even PG movies have everything but the nipples.

[Subby]

dola, let your kid go to a PG-13 movie and they'll see the exact same things... even PG movies have everything but the nipples. You know a lot about parenting. You should write a book.

[Subby]

This is what happens when you remove God from public schools. If you replace the "God" with "Extra Cheesy Tater Tots" then I completely agree with you...

[WussGawd]

so he actually just meant to grab it? o-kay.

And for what it's worth, I was just as offended (if not more so) by Kid Rock's wearing of the American flag. It's a flag, dude... not a poncho.

No worse than all the politicians who will be wrapping themselves up in for the next 9 months, IMNSHO.

[WussGawd]

This is what happens when you remove God from public schools.

:rolleyes:

[WussGawd]

If you replace the "God" with "Extra Cheesy Tater Tots" then I completely agree with you...

I heart this post.

[Easy Mac]

You know a lot about parenting. You should write a book.
I'm pointing out hipocrasy. :p

[gstelmack]

dola, let your kid go to a PG-13 movie and they'll see the exact same things... even PG movies have everything but the nipples.
And that's why they won't be going to a PG-13 movie until they get to, say, 13 :p

Read the parents' comments here, they are talking about 4 - 9 year olds. And they are a little young to be watching MTV. CBS should have known better than to bring MTV to a primetime TV broadcast.

There was no way I was watching the halftime show when I heard what the lineup was. My wife and I turned on Carol Burnette reruns on TVLand and enjoyed halftime as a result.

[Easy Mac]

do you normally let your children watch prime time TV? Its the same thing.

[Easy Mac]

good, change the channel. Is it that hard to grab the remote when you don't agree with something on TV, or is it easier to just bitch about it?

Not you gst, since you changed the channel, but to the others who just let it sit there while your kids were watching.

[CamEdwards]

yes, you can change the channel. Or you can complain that something like this shouldn't be on in prime time to begin with.

I know you're passionate about a great number of things,which is why I can't believe you're advocating apathy.

[Ksyrup]

good, change the channel. Is it that hard to grab the remote when you don't agree with something on TV, or is it easier to just bitch about it?

Not you gst, since you changed the channel, but to the others who just let it sit there while your kids were watching.
I think the point is, the Super Bowl is played on a Sunday night, early enough so that kids can watch most of it. It's clearly billed as a "gather the family around the TV, once-a-year sporting event." There's an expectation of what the programming will be, given the nature of the broadcast. I don't have a problem changing the channel if I don't like what I see, but on the other hand, I shouldn't be forced to make that choice - or have to scrutinize every second of the programming - because of the inappropriate programming they chose to air.

I'm not looking for a revival of The Sound of Music, but I also think it's reasonable to expect blatant sex to not be a part of the show. Years ago, you had to switch to MTV to see smut during halftime. Now, CBS hires MTV to produce the halftime. That's irresponsible. But hey, it's good business, since both CBS and MTV are owned by Viacom.

[Easy Mac]

yes, you can change the channel. Or you can complain that something like this shouldn't be on in prime time to begin with.

I know you're passionate about a great number of things,which is why I can't believe you're advocating apathy.
Isn't apathy not changing the channel in the first place when you find something you think you may be offended by? When you hear Janet Jackson, Kid Rock, Timberlake, Nelly and P-Diddy are performing at half time, you have to know its going to be something you don't want your kids seeing.

its like saying Kaszinsky, Dommer, and Manson will be doing a puppet show.

[Easy Mac]

I'm not looking for a revival of The Sound of Music, but I also think it's reasonable to expect blatant sex to not be a part of the show. Years ago, you had to switch to MTV to see smut during halftime. Now, CBS hires MTV to produce the halftime. That's irresponsible. But hey, it's good business, since both CBS and MTV are owned by Viacom.
Blatant sex means there is actually sex occuring. There's more blatant sex occuring on Friends at the same time on Thursdays than there was at the Super Bowl. Last week at 8 on Sunday, Cold Case showed a black woman being raped and murdered by white men, showing the men's bodies moving back and forth, the woman screaming, and her body jerking forward and back. I find that more offensive than a bunch of people jerking around dancing.

[Ksyrup]

Isn't apathy not changing the channel in the first place when you find something you think you may be offended by? When you hear Janet Jackson, Kid Rock, Timberlake, Nelly and P-Diddy are performing at half time, you have to know its going to be something you don't want your kids seeing.

its like saying Kaszinsky, Dommer, and Manson will be doing a puppet show.
Aside from Nelly, who I've never heard of in my life, I would expect a dance number from Janet Jackson, bad singing and redneck festivities from Kid Rock, a Brian Austin Green impersonation from Timberlake, and a rip-off of someone else by Ppuffdiddydaddy. None of that screams "inappropriate" to me. Or at least, it didn't have to be.

[Ksyrup]

Blatant sex means there is actually sex occuring. There's more blatant sex occuring on Friends at the same time on Thursdays than there was at the Super Bowl. Last week at 8 on Sunday, Cold Case showed a black woman being raped and murdered by white men, showing the men's bodies moving back and forth, the woman screaming, and her body jerking forward and back. I find that more offensive than a bunch of people jerking around dancing.
And once again, you miss the point - the Super Bowl is advertised as a family "show;" Cold Case is not. I know what I'm getting with Cold Case; and for the Super Bowl, again, there is an expectation of what the programming will be based on who is watching.

[gstelmack]

I think the point is, the Super Bowl is played on a Sunday night, early enough so that kids can watch most of it. It's clearly billed as a "gather the family around the TV, once-a-year sporting event." There's an expectation of what the programming will be, given the nature of the broadcast. I don't have a problem changing the channel if I don't like what I see, but on the other hand, I shouldn't be forced to make that choice - or have to scrutinize every second of the programming - because of the inappropriate programming they chose to air.

Yup, this is my main point. The TV show or movie may be suitable for the kids, but quite often the ads aren't. Now when we go to the movies, we can't enter the theater until the movie actually starts, and for TV it's either don't watch the show with the kids, or sit there to turn the commercials off.

I'm surprised the advertisers are doing this. They are actually discouraging lots of us from seeing their ad, all to appeal to the 20-something single males out there. And by going along with it, TV is quickly making it so my family can't (won't, whatever word you want to use) watch their shows because of the ads.

[Aardvark]

*side note: What the hell? Unless that outfit had some sort of mechanical parts I'm not aware of it can't malfunction.

A friend of mine had her costume malfunction on stage. She was in "The Miser", by Moliere, and the production used period costumes. He dress was very heavily corseted, including a wooden wedge or board to help shape her busom. (I'm not exactly sure how it works, this was explained to me about 20 years ago.) Anyway, at a performance (unfortunately the one after I attended), one of the laces gave way, the wooden wedge rocketed upward striking the actress in the nose, and her bodice fell down.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

The only TV shows I watch on TV anymore have Law & Order in the title. (other than the simpsons & Bernie Mac!) Anything else has pretty much been cancelled and is either out on DVD or I want it on DVD.

CBS = See B.S.

[cthomer5000]

I think the point is, the Super Bowl is played on a Sunday night, early enough so that kids can watch most of it. It's clearly billed as a "gather the family around the TV, once-a-year sporting event." There's an expectation of what the programming will be, given the nature of the broadcast. I don't have a problem changing the channel if I don't like what I see, but on the other hand, I shouldn't be forced to make that choice - or have to scrutinize every second of the programming - because of the inappropriate programming they chose to air.

I'm not looking for a revival of The Sound of Music, but I also think it's reasonable to expect blatant sex to not be a part of the show. Years ago, you had to switch to MTV to see smut during halftime. Now, CBS hires MTV to produce the halftime. That's irresponsible. But hey, it's good business, since both CBS and MTV are owned by Viacom.
I agree completely. Those who are saying "just change the channel" are missing the point, this is a show the entire country/world sees - including many, many children. Should we reasonably expect to see a breast popping out of a "malfunctioning wardrobe," or an ad that tells us beastiality is funny?!

The game should be a family-friendly event from start to finish.

[HornedFrog Purple]

If you are going to bitch about it, bitch about the whole halftime show. It was all raunchy.

As far as the exposure... well it had been rehearsed a few times and they didn't do that. In my mind the blame should fall on MTV.

I find it ironic that people are up in arms about this but on the other hand very few on this board cared when a college football team did a rehearsed skit after a touchdown imitating a grenade killing them all against a military academy.

[MikeVic]

If you are going to bitch about it, bitch about the whole halftime show. It was all raunchy.

As far as the exposure... well it had been rehearsed a few times and they didn't do that. In my mind the blame should fall on MTV.

I find it ironic that people are up in arms about this but on the other hand very few on this board cared when a college football team did a rehearsed skit after a touchdown imitating a grenade killing them all against a military academy.

Because sex is a lot worse than violence. :rolleyes:

[Ksyrup]

I find it ironic that people are up in arms about this but on the other hand very few on this board cared when a college football team did a rehearsed skit after a touchdown imitating a grenade killing them all against a military academy.

I'm not complaining about it being raunchy per se. I'm complaining because it was raunchy for the audience they wanted and knew they were getting. A tit is a tit. That grenade skit would go well over the heads of many kids. I think they were both inappropriate, but for different reasons.

And while I don't blame CBS for the "breast-capades," you said it yourself - the entire show was raunchy. CBS certainly knew about 95% of the show's content. They certainly deserve some blame.

[MikeVic]

Did MTV produce last year's half-time show too? Or any other year? I'm too lazy to look on the net, and I'm curious about this...

[HornedFrog Purple]

I'm not complaining about it being raunchy per se. I'm complaining because it was raunchy for the audience they wanted and knew they were getting. A tit is a tit. That grenade skit would go well over the heads of many kids. I think they were both inappropriate, but for different reasons.

And while I don't blame CBS for the "breast-capades," you said it yourself - the entire show was raunchy. CBS certainly knew about 95% of the show's content. They certainly deserve some blame.

So assume the breast-capades didn't happen. I highly doubt there would be as much backlash as there is now. I submit the escapade made it raunchy in the minds of a lot of people. Not the fact that there was a ton of it going on the whole time.

I do agree that CBS should take the blame for the entire show, but not that specific incident.

The Super Bowl should be a family event, but in the world of $$ and advertising, it's just not going to happen unfortunately.

[heybrad]

A little different issue I have with the halftime show... During the game, players were losing their footing all over the place. Gosh, do you think that has anything to do with having stages and dancers pounding on the grass for 30 minutes.

I've also decided that I'm going to become a big music star. I cant sing and I cant play any instruments, but hey, if Kid Rock can do it, anybody can.

[MikeVic]

Hey, Brad.

[Ksyrup]

Guys were losing their footing during the first half as well, though. What was with the turf? I confess I didn't watch many Texans games this year - was this normal?

[heybrad]

Guys were losing their footing during the first half as well, though. What was with the turf? I confess I didn't watch many Texans games this year - was this normal?
They put on a show before the game too. I think it was Aerosmith.

[Samdari]

do you normally let your children watch prime time TV? Its the same thing.


I would say most parents of 4-9 year old children carefully monitor the content of the tv their children are watching. They don't watch NYPD Blue or much of anything with content like that - they know what's coming and don't tune it in. What they are upset about is that sort of thing popping up in programming they would expect (and have been promised) to be family oriented.

[Ksyrup]

They put on a show before the game too. I think it was Aerosmith.
I guess that's why I didn't hear Aerosmith, but saw them advertised. I stayed away from the TV until 6:18pm, skipping the 27.5 hours of pre-game hype and human interest stories. Basically, I just treated it like it was the Olympics. I've got to get myself trained for the Non-Viewing Event of Summer 2004, and this was a solid workout.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I will reiterate my previous statement it was a fucking tit. That's all. It was on TV for a second or two. I didn't even see the damned thing. A friend of mine said "Was that Janet Jackson's tit?" And I looked up and they'd gone to commercial already. I had no idea.

I can hardly imagine any child being scarred by seeing 2 seconds of boob. It'd probably do everyone in America a little good if there was smore casual boobage tossed around, kids and adults alike. The uproar this has caused is evidence enough this.

People just have to get over this fear or whatever it is of breasts. Super Bowl is a good place to start. Perhaps next year we'll see 4 seconds of one tit. Then 3 seconds of two the following year. We may even see a topless halftime show in about 50 years or so.

I mean, we had commercials for "Troy" and "The Alamo" where I am sure innocent eyes watched men hack and slash other men or blow them away with a cannon. But a tit. Two seconds of a tit and the world is in an uproar.

[Ksyrup]

It'd probably do everyone in America a little good if there was smore casual boobage tossed around, kids and adults alike. The uproar this has caused is evidence enough this.
Mmmmm...smores.

Mmmmm...boobage.

[Suicane75]

I will reiterate my previous statement it was a fucking tit. That's all. It was on TV for a second or two. I didn't even see the damned thing. A friend of mine said "Was that Janet Jackson's tit?" And I looked up and they'd gone to commercial already. I had no idea.

I can hardly imagine any child being scarred by seeing 2 seconds of boob. It'd probably do everyone in America a little good if there was smore casual boobage tossed around, kids and adults alike. The uproar this has caused is evidence enough this.

People just have to get over this fear or whatever it is of breasts. Super Bowl is a good place to start. Perhaps next year we'll see 4 seconds of one tit. Then 3 seconds of two the following year. We may even see a topless halftime show in about 50 years or so.

I mean, we had commercials for "Troy" and "The Alamo" where I am sure innocent eyes watched men hack and slash other men or blow them away with a cannon. But a tit. Two seconds of a tit and the world is in an uproar.

Fine, it was no worse than the violence, but whats it better than?
And long before the tit popped out I had turned it off because I didn't wanna see some dude up there singing about cumming all over his bitches during the Super Bowl half time show.

[Dutch]

SO, you'll let your children watch men violently beat the shit out of each other, curse a storm on the sidelines (trust me you can tell what they say), but you get all freaked out when a nipple comes out at halftime?

Actually, you are the one getting "all freaked out". Again, I might add.

[Bubba Wheels]

I think Janet Jackson is really just auditioning for the next "Calender Girls" periodical, given her advancing age.

[Easy Mac]

where am I "freaked out?"

[Subby]

I will reiterate my previous statement it was a fucking tit. That's all. It was on TV for a second or two. I didn't even see the damned thing. A friend of mine said "Was that Janet Jackson's tit?" And I looked up and they'd gone to commercial already. I had no idea. I hate to play the role of community prig...but what message does it send to children watching that it is ok for a man to forceably rip open a woman's shirt so that he can see her breasts?

The nipple? I don't really care. The cock grabbing, simulated butt-fucking and bodice ripping? Yes, I care. There is a time and place and it isn't on network television during family hour.

[Glengoyne]

... Cold Case showed a black woman being raped and murdered by white men, showing the men's bodies moving back and forth, the woman screaming, and her body jerking forward and back. I find that more offensive than a bunch of people jerking around dancing.
I saw that episode, and was thinking "what the hell are they showing this for? Isn't it the eight o'clock hour?". I was disturbed enough that I might have changed the channel even if my 4 year old daughter wasn't in the room. As a result I won't be watching Cold Case again unless they move the program to a more appropriate time slot. With regard to the superbowl halftime show: During the pre-game, when they announced who would be performing, I decided that half time was nap time. I doubt the NFL will make the same mistake, letting MTV produce the halftime, ever again. It is okay to skew programming toward a more lucrative demographic, just don't offend a large segment of your audience at the same time.

[cthomer5000]

The nipple? I don't really care. The cock grabbing, simulated butt-fucking and bodice ripping? Yes, I care.

This almost makes even me wish QOTM was still around.

I love tits as much as the next guy, but the bottom line is that CBS really needs to watch the shit they're airing during an event that all demographics are watching. I'm sure there were quite a lot of upset parents after the halftime show.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Makes me wonder if Fox would have gotten away with it....

I think the argument "If I wanted to watch MTV, I would watch MTV, not MTV on CBS." is a valid one.

CBS has always been the more traditional censored network of the four (CBS, ABC, NBC and FOX) to me, but they are changing too. Pretty soon there won't be a difference amongst any of them.

[kcchief19]

Am I the only one who finds impotence commercials just as tasteless and pointless as the halftime show? In fact, I think I'd find it even harder to explain to a child why Mike Ditka is all jazzed about the fact that he can't get his crank going than explain Janet's "wardrobe malfunction."

"Daddy, what is that man talking about? I don't understand."

"Well, Bunny, that man is Mike Ditka. He used to be a famous football coach. But he's really old now -- much older than daddy, by the way -- and he can't have 'special time' with his wife, so he needs medicine to make him feel better."

[Bubba Wheels]

Makes me wonder if Fox would have gotten away with it....

I think the argument "If I wanted to watch MTV, I would watch MTV, not MTV on CBS." is a valid one.

CBS has always been the more traditional censored network of the four (CBS, ABC, NBC and FOX) to me, but they are changing too. Pretty soon there won't be a difference amongst any of them.

There should always be a difference, for this simple fact: CBS is regulated because the licensing is basically free for the owners, and they broadcast over the Public airwaves. Cable is pretty-much unregulated, and its restricted to those who pay extra to get it. Now the networks have been losing audience to cable for sometime now, but to stoop to this level during basically family entertainment at the dinnertime hour show how arrogant and out of touch these network execs have gotten. Time for some hefty fines.

[yabanci]

I see what you are saying, but I also cannot see how this changes anything about the society we live in. A bunch of women could have been out there singing and dancing with no skin showing and it would not change the way people act and dress in this country.

I agree with you. My point wasn't that it changes society, but that it had no place as part of a football game that millions of children are watching.

[Easy Mac]

8:30 PM is dinnertime?

[Bubba Wheels]

8:30 PM is dinnertime?

Not everybody lives in Taxxachussetts. Most probably live in later time zones!

[Easy Mac]

I don't know anyone from massachusetts.

[Bubba Wheels]

I don't know anyone from massachusetts.

Ok, said that because both teams were from eastern time zone. Just get your Road Atlas out and follow the thick, black line that delineates the time zones, there are actually 4 of them. ;)

[k0ruptr]

a boob. thats all it was, for two seconds. they showed a horse farting and scorching some girl's hair. its america people, yes thats right, AMERICA

[JonInMiddleGA]

Time for some hefty fines.

I suspect you might just be right about that.

If sanctions were levied at the network level, the max fine is $27,500k, which means nothing to CBS.

On the other hand, if the actions were taken at the affiliate level (since that's who actually aired the material) then things get a little more serious. Try 215 U.S. affiliates X $27,500k = $5,912,500.

Still a drop in the overall bucket, but a lot more noticeable than $27,500.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

A little different issue I have with the halftime show... During the game, players were losing their footing all over the place. Gosh, do you think that has anything to do with having stages and dancers pounding on the grass for 30 minutes. :D
Don't forget the smoke that was lingering over the field well into the third quarter. I miss when the superbowl was actually about the championship of the NFL and when you heard "What a boob." it was about Thurman "Where's my helmet" Thomas.... :D

[Ksyrup]

Or Leon Lett.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Leon Lett... that play was so insignificant because they were annhilating the Bills but everyone remembers Leon Lett. :D

[Bubba Wheels]

I suspect you might just be right about that.

If sanctions were levied at the network level, the max fine is $27,500k, which means nothing to CBS.

On the other hand, if the actions were taken at the affiliate level (since that's who actually aired the material) then things get a little more serious. Try 215 U.S. affiliates X $27,500k = $5,912,500.

Still a drop in the overall bucket, but a lot more noticeable than $27,500.

Why not include the NFL? The've got some pretty deep pockets, and who says that they get to be excempt? Certainly not all those Democratic lawyers running for President. :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Why not include the NFL? The've got some pretty deep pockets, and who says that they get to be excempt? Certainly not all those Democratic lawyers running for President. :)

The NFL isn't licensed by the FCC. But all those CBS affiliates are.

[Subby]

a boob. thats all it was, for two seconds. they showed a horse farting and scorching some girl's hair. its america people, yes thats right, AMERICA Thank's for clearing that up for me. I can't believe I forgot what country this is...

[HornedFrog Purple]

I doubt anything will happen as far as fines go, but I do believe the NFL will be more stringent on what the networks can or cannot do with their product.

I am willing to bet MTV will not be in the NFL's plans anytime soon after this.

[Easy Mac]

Didn't Timberlake use to "freak" ms. Jackson about a year ago. Now he's dating Cameron Diaz... thats a trusting girlfriend.

[Bubba Wheels]

I doubt anything will happen as far as fines go, but I do believe the NFL will be more stringent on what the networks can or cannot do with their product.

I am willing to bet MTV will not be in the NFL's plans anytime soon after this.

NFL had to have signed off on CBS's halftime plans, not so sure they may have a surprise coming. Lots of hungry lawyers out there with $$ in their eyes!

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Didn't Timberlake use to "freak" ms. Jackson about a year ago. Now he's dating Cameron Diaz... thats a trusting girlfriend.
People get together in the entertaining biz because their PR people and agents say it's good for exposure. It also covers up many a person's sexual preferences...

[Ben E Lou]

Didn't Timberlake use to "freak" ms. JacksonThat's "Miss" Jackson, if you nasty!

[HornedFrog Purple]

NFL had to have signed off on CBS's halftime plans, not so sure they may have a surprise coming. Lots of hungry lawyers out there with $$ in their eyes!

That my friend is America. :D

[Easy Mac]

That's "Miss" Jackson, if you nasty!
I can't fathom anyone being that nasty to call you Miss Jackson.

:(sorry miss jacson...i am for real.

[SunDancer]

People get together in the entertaining biz because their PR people and agents say it's good for exposure. It also covers up many a person's sexual preferences...

What do you mean?

[Ben E Lou]

I can't fathom anyone being that nasty to call you Miss Jackson.Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

[Ben E Lou]

I think MTV may have misjudged the reaction on this one. Keep in mind that this morning, they still had up the "Janet Jackson routine will be shocking" preview, and they had a picture up touting the performance. Now, they have an apology up, and they've removed the picture and the preview. It looks like they're in full retreat.

[WSUCougar]

This thread is so chockablock full of quotable material I almost had a spontaneous clothing malfunction on the spot.

[albionmoonlight]

I have a feeling that the words "Janet Jackson" have been written and uttered about 100,000 more times today across America than they would have been had her top not come off. In a world (celebrity) where image and exposure are currency--she has done quite well for herself with this little stunt.

[Calis]

I have a feeling the word "chockablock" has been used one too many times today.

[CamEdwards]

only in the sense that James Brown did well for himself by getting arrested for beating his wife. Yeah, the name is out there, but are more people going to buy her cds? Doubt it. They'll be googling her boobage instead.

[Subby]

"Googling her boobage"

I don't know what that means, but it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Fidatelo]

why google it when you could booble it? hxxp://www.booble.com/

[Cringer]

Wow, this is funny stuff...................personally, increase the boobage, decrease the shooting stuff up. I have no problem with my 4 year old saying "Hehe, her boobie" when she see's something like that. Hell, the kid knows she's gonna have them, i'm not gonna freak if she happens to see one. You think the Afgan people are freaking out these days because they happen to see a womans upper calf or bicep once in a while? Any of them saw this, they probably had an immediate heart-attack..... I love this world, you bunch of loveable wackos!! :D

[Ben E Lou]

I am very disappointed in all of you that it took over 150 posts for the first "Miss Jackson, if you nasty" to come out.

[MikeVic]

I find this funny.. maybe I am wrong in my views here, but this is a summary of opinions that I've seen, and something that has been on my mind for quite some time...

My European parents, family, etc.. and my Canadian friends, co-workers, etc.. all thought the boob-shot was funny. Some co-workers were pissed about how blown out of proportion this thing is getting, since there was some article saying that an investigation is going to happen.

People on this board: majority of which are from the US.. and a majority think that it was inappropriate... not just the boob shot, but the whole halftime show.


Has anyone else noticed this, if you happen to be a Canadian or European that know people from the US, or someone from the US that knows Canadians or Europeans? It seems like raunchiness, implicit sex, and stuff like that is acceptable in the media, but a tiny boob shot is something that raises this much attention. Violence is also accepted in the media, but nudity isn't.

I don't know if I'm straying away, or bringing something up that isn't there.. and I also don't mean anything bad by it... I was just curious to see if anyone else has noticed something like this?

[Maple Leafs]

I think some people are missing the point:

One fleeting, half-second glimpse of a female breast, even if seen by kids = not really a big deal

Sending the message to kids that it's fun and cool to sneak up on a girl and rip her clothing off = potentially a bigger deal

[Bubba Wheels]

I find this funny.. maybe I am wrong in my views here, but this is a summary of opinions that I've seen, and something that has been on my mind for quite some time...

My European parents, family, etc.. and my Canadian friends, co-workers, etc.. all thought the boob-shot was funny. Some co-workers were pissed about how blown out of proportion this thing is getting, since there was some article saying that an investigation is going to happen.

People on this board: majority of which are from the US.. and a majority think that it was inappropriate... not just the boob shot, but the whole halftime show.


Has anyone else noticed this, if you happen to be a Canadian or European that know people from the US, or someone from the US that knows Canadians or Europeans? It seems like raunchiness, implicit sex, and stuff like that is acceptable in the media, but a tiny boob shot is something that raises this much attention. Violence is also accepted in the media, but nudity isn't.

I don't know if I'm straying away, or bringing something up that isn't there.. and I also don't mean anything bad by it... I was just curious to see if anyone else has noticed something like this?

Its like Gay-Day at DisneyWorld, if you want to do it then at least give those of us with kids thinking this is family entertainment some warning so we can decide for ourselves weather this is appropriate or not. But, see, that would defeat the whole point of the excersise as the 'schock-value' would not be maximized!

[NoMyths]

Yeah, the sexual violence element of the whole thing is a bit disturbing, in part because none of the participants seem to be aware of that message being sent.

And Timberlake's "apology" is typical of the kind of non-apologies that drive me insane. Sorry if anyone was offended? How about just saying that you're sorry that you fucked up, or that you staged something inappropriate? Take responsibility, assclown.

[MikeVic]

I think some people are missing the point:

One fleeting, half-second glimpse of a female breast, even if seen by kids = not really a big deal

Sending the message to kids that it's fun and cool to sneak up on a girl and rip her clothing off = potentially a bigger deal

I can see teenage boys at schools pawing at teenage girls, wanting to be like Timberlake.. unless of course their parents told them this wasn't acceptable.. :)

[MikeVic]

Its like Gay-Day at DisneyWorld, if you want to do it then at least give those of us with kids thinking this is family entertainment some warning so we can decide for ourselves weather this is appropriate or not. But, see, that would defeat the whole point of the excersise as the 'schock-value' would not be maximized!

I didn't even know there was a Gay-Day at DisneyWorld.. is it some parade or something?

[Bubba Wheels]

Its an 'unofficial' planned event every June (probably now more like a week) were Gay's show up and basically 'take-over' the theme parks enmass. From what I hear, the behavior can be pretty explicit, and if you blunder into this with your small kids you may spend your whole vacation 'explaining' things to them. Of course, this is the whole point to the excersise by those staging it, you know 'Were Queer, Were Here, Get Used To It!"

Although Disney themselves denies any involvement in sponsoring this event, they steadfastly refuse to take any steps to tone down the explicit behavior or give traditional-minded families any warning. In addition, its come out that Disney's own promotional department actively does promote this event behind the scenes under the guise of 'minority assistance.' O'Reilly has down some stuff on this on his TV show.

[albionmoonlight]

I didn't even know there was a Gay-Day at DisneyWorld.. is it some parade or something?
Bubba thanks you for taking the bait. He was afraid that he may have to toss it out there again.

[Bubba Wheels]

Bubba thanks you for taking the bait. He was afraid that he may have to toss it out there again.

<<reloads as he hunkers back down in his blind, awaiting the next one... :p

[Bubba Wheels]

Bubba thanks you for taking the bait. He was afraid that he may have to toss it out there again.
...reloads as he hunkers back down in his blind, awaiting the next one... :p

[BishopMVP]

I am very disappointed in all of you that it took over 150 posts for the first "Miss Jackson, if you nasty" to come out.
FOFC is obviously not a part of the Rhythm Nation. :(

[Bubba Wheels]

FOFC is obviously not a part of the Rhythm Nation. :(

How about 'Electric Youth?"

[astralhaze]

What do you mean?
He means (sorry if this has been addressed but this thread is long) that there are numerous rumors in Holywood that any number of celebrity marriages are mutually agreed upon shams. The male is gay and the female is a lesbian, but they get together to try keep their sexual orientation a secret. Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were rumored to be one such marriage.

[Ksyrup]

He means (sorry if this has been addressed but this thread is long) that there are numerous rumors in Holywood that any number of celebrity marriages are mutually agreed upon shams. The male is gay and the female is a lesbian, but they get together to try keep their sexual orientation a secret. Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were rumored to be one such marriage.
Ricky Martin and any female they have falling all over him. Have to keep the image up.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

I am very disappointed in all of you that it took over 150 posts for the first "Miss Jackson, if you nasty" to come out.
Why do you think I titled the thread with "Miss Jackson" instead of the more common Janet. I wanted to be a bit more subtle about it and let someone else use the "Nasty" line... :D

I just can't wait to see the next Willie Nelson doll comercial. All they need to do is have Timberland and Jackson stand there looking at the doll saying "Sounds like a good idea to me!"

[Draft Dodger]

I think some people are missing the point:

One fleeting, half-second glimpse of a female breast, even if seen by kids = not really a big deal

Sending the message to kids that it's fun and cool to sneak up on a girl and rip her clothing off = potentially a bigger deal


^^^^
gets it

[BigJohn&TheLions]

He means (sorry if this has been addressed but this thread is long) that there are numerous rumors in Holywood that any number of celebrity marriages are mutually agreed upon shams. The male is gay and the female is a lesbian, but they get together to try keep their sexual orientation a secret. Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman were rumored to be one such marriage.
Thanks for explaining before I got the chance to. Some of the biggest ladies-men are actually covering for their, ahem. You get the picture. Another example is said to be Afleck/Lopez.

Also, many times when you see two celebs out it is set up by their PR people to get their name out there.

When has the name Janet Jackson been used more than it has been in the past 24 hours? (when is the last time you heard the name janet jackson?)
If Mike Tyson had said "I'm gonna put Lennox on the floor in four" instead of "I'm gonna eat his children" would he have gotten the press? No. PR is designed to get the name out there (By the way, before the Lewis fight, Mike toned down his rhetoric, then was promptly dumped by the Dan Klores Agency. Coincidence?)

CBS = See B.S.

[Draft Dodger]

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs03/news/story?id=1724968)

Jackson's camp has some more details. This seems to be the most feasible explanation I've heard so far...

"The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my halftime show performance was made after final rehearsals. MTV was completely unaware of it," she said. "It was not my intention that it go as far as it did. I apologize to anyone offended -- including the audience, MTV, CBS and the NFL."

Jackson's official Web site was bombarded with angry postings. Her spokeswoman, Jennifer Holiner, said a red lace garment was supposed to remain when Timberlake tore off the outer covering.

Holiner said she was not sure whether Jackson's medieval-looking nipple decoration was meant to be seen.

[miami_fan]

I find this funny.. maybe I am wrong in my views here, but this is a summary of opinions that I've seen, and something that has been on my mind for quite some time...

My European parents, family, etc.. and my Canadian friends, co-workers, etc.. all thought the boob-shot was funny. Some co-workers were pissed about how blown out of proportion this thing is getting, since there was some article saying that an investigation is going to happen.

People on this board: majority of which are from the US.. and a majority think that it was inappropriate... not just the boob shot, but the whole halftime show.


Has anyone else noticed this, if you happen to be a Canadian or European that know people from the US, or someone from the US that knows Canadians or Europeans? It seems like raunchiness, implicit sex, and stuff like that is acceptable in the media, but a tiny boob shot is something that raises this much attention. Violence is also accepted in the media, but nudity isn't.

I don't know if I'm straying away, or bringing something up that isn't there.. and I also don't mean anything bad by it... I was just curious to see if anyone else has noticed something like this?

This post was my experience in a nutshell. My wife's family (She is from Spain) called, talking about it was one of the funnist things they had saw. Even my parents (also foreigners) who I thougt is was hilarious. My 4 year old watched the entire show with myself and my wife and did not notice the tit. I put him to bed after halftime. No big deal right. Today however my son ask me what was the big deal with the Super Bowl. So Ihad to explain the hysteria of the aftermath not the event itself. Sex in and of itself is bad in the US. Violence is not. After living in Europe for seven years, I know the exact opposite is true (I don't think they have ever shown even the EDITED version of the Exorcist on German TV) Long way of saying yes I have noticed :)

[miami_fan]

ESPN (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs03/news/story?id=1724968)

Jackson's camp has some more details. This seems to be the most feasible explanation I've heard so far...

"The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my halftime show performance was made after final rehearsals. MTV was completely unaware of it," she said. "It was not my intention that it go as far as it did. I apologize to anyone offended -- including the audience, MTV, CBS and the NFL."

Jackson's official Web site was bombarded with angry postings. Her spokeswoman, Jennifer Holiner, said a red lace garment was supposed to remain when Timberlake tore off the outer covering.

Holiner said she was not sure whether Jackson's medieval-looking nipple decoration was meant to be seen.

You mean MTV, NFL or CBS were not in on the conspiracy? Now there is a dissappoinment :rolleyes:

[Anthony]

it's no big deal. tits are a part of humans. most kids see them when they nurse, what is it about the time fro mwhen they stop nursing till they're 18 that makes an exposed breast so controversial? in a controlled family environment i see no problem with having a child see 2 seconds of a breast. it's when the child is alone without supervision, yes, perhaps i'd have a prob with nudity. but if i have a child and something like this happens, i'm not going to dip my child in the bath to purify it's virgin mind.

i'll keep my future child away from porn.

momemtary glimpes of the female anatomy will be allowed. no need to burn anyone at the stake.

[Suicane75]

i'll keep my future child away from porn.

momemtary glimpes of the female anatomy will be allowed. no need to burn anyone at the stake.

At the rate this country is heading, 10 or 15 years from now that may be harder than you think.

[Bubba Wheels]

This post was my experience in a nutshell. My wife's family (She is from Spain) called, talking about it was one of the funnist things they had saw. Even my parents (also foreigners) who I thougt is was hilarious. My 4 year old watched the entire show with myself and my wife and did not notice the tit. I put him to bed after halftime. No big deal right. Today however my son ask me what was the big deal with the Super Bowl. So Ihad to explain the hysteria of the aftermath not the event itself. Sex in and of itself is bad in the US. Violence is not. After living in Europe for seven years, I know the exact opposite is true (I don't think they have ever shown even the EDITED version of the Exorcist on German TV) Long way of saying yes I have noticed :)

I think I'm getting to understand the use of the word 'Liberal" here. In effect, it means that any behavior a Liberal deems appropriate regardless of shock or effect is ok or even desirable even when it comes to exposing your (not just their own) kids to it. But if you ever breath ONE word about God or morality to them, then you have CROSSED THE LINE and subjected THEM to GRAVE offenses and insults!!! Interesting.

[miami_fan]

I think I'm getting to understand the use of the word 'Liberal" here. In effect, it means that any behavior a Liberal deems appropriate regardless of shock or effect is ok or even desirable even when it comes to exposing your (not just their own) kids to it. But if you ever breath ONE word about God or morality to them, then you have CROSSED THE LINE and subjected THEM to GRAVE offenses and insults!!! Interesting.

Where exactly did you get liberal and/or God/morality out of my statement?!!!

[Bubba Wheels]

Where exactly did you get liberal and/or God/morality out of my statement?!!!

Just talking in broad terms, since yours was the last in a seemingly continues thread claiming this is all great ado about nothing. Maybe, but its undeniably getting worse, and the great outrage many are displaying is that this was not done on the Golden Globes or MTV Music Awards after 9:00, it was sprung on families (many with small kids) weather they agreed with it or liked it or not.

Sorry if the broadside about Liberals got some on you and your not. But one other note about Europeans. I've spent a few years in Germany, and families leaving porn videos around the house for the kids to see is not at all uncommon. Maybe they see this as 'natural' and maybe even 'educational' in Europe, but here in the U.S. we may not deem this 'enlightment' all that necessary or desirable.

[SFL Cat]

Yesssss, let's praise the whole Super Bowl halftime message that women are just sexual play-things for men to have their way with. Maybe next year we could have an actual rape as an encore. What idiocy.

[CamEdwards]

I think Michael Powell had it right when he said the boob incident was just the culmination of a completely trashy and inappropriate display (paraphrased).

I also still can't believe more people aren't upset about Kid Rock and the flag. :(

[miami_fan]

Just talking in broad terms, since yours was the last in a seemingly continues thread claiming this is all great ado about nothing. Maybe, but its undeniably getting worse, and the great outrage many are displaying is that this was not done on the Golden Globes or MTV Music Awards after 9:00, it was sprung on families (many with small kids) weather they agreed with it or liked it or not.

Sorry if the broadside about Liberals got some on you and your not. But one other note about Europeans. I've spent a few years in Germany, and families leaving porn videos around the house for the kids to see is not at all uncommon. Maybe they see this as 'natural' and maybe even 'educational' in Europe, but here in the U.S. we may not deem this 'enlightment' all that necessary or desirable.

Oh okay. I was just responding to a common question that many that live outside of the U.S. have about our culture. European culture in which TV violence is akin to pornography in the States. I agree that this was sprung (no pun intended) on all of us unexpectedly no matter if you were offended by it or not. My debate is whether the incident in and of itself (as opposed to the thinking that this is a part of something broader) was worth the great outrage and whether that great outrage had a bigger effect on the kids than the incident. My experience was that the outrage had the bigger effect

[MikeVic]

Just talking in broad terms, since yours was the last in a seemingly continues thread claiming this is all great ado about nothing. Maybe, but its undeniably getting worse, and the great outrage many are displaying is that this was not done on the Golden Globes or MTV Music Awards after 9:00, it was sprung on families (many with small kids) weather they agreed with it or liked it or not.

Sorry if the broadside about Liberals got some on you and your not. But one other note about Europeans. I've spent a few years in Germany, and families leaving porn videos around the house for the kids to see is not at all uncommon. Maybe they see this as 'natural' and maybe even 'educational' in Europe, but here in the U.S. we may not deem this 'enlightment' all that necessary or desirable.


But I haven't seen anything wrong with these German kids being exposed to porn. :) I think this sort of culture proves that porn/nudity doesn't negatively affect youth. Violence has a far worse affect on kids. And you see that everywhere on TV, with no real voice being spoken against it (compared to that of sex/nudity).

It's fine that in the US the nudity aspect is frowned upon... I just think it's weird that other, "worse" things aren't taken as seriousley. Violence is treated as if it's nothing.

I think I'm straying... I just wanted to reply to that last line you put.. gives me the impression you think the US cultures are better than that of others...

[Easy Mac]

I am very disappointed in all of you that it took over 150 posts for the first "Miss Jackson, if you nasty" to come out.
I think its even more sad that it had to be provoked by someone who was around 4 when she said that for the first time in a song.

And "Electric Youth" is a Debbie Gibson song

[miami_fan]

I also still can't believe more people aren't upset about Kid Rock and the flag. :(

Since 9/11/2001, the Flag has been misused but that has been accepted as a "show of patriotism" The Flag should never be worn as part of wearing apparel but how many jackets, t-shirts, hats, bikinis etc do we see with the Flag? I am not excusing the use but I think it was a sign of ignorance than disrespect

[Easy Mac]

The flag was being misused long before 9/11

[miami_fan]

The flag was being misused long before 9/11
True

[MikeVic]

Yesssss, let's praise the whole Super Bowl halftime message that women are just sexual play-things for men to have their way with. Maybe next year we could have an actual rape as an encore. What idiocy.

Perception... I didn't see this when I watched the halftime show. I saw two rappers I don't particularly like, using old "raps" of theirs... it was all a show... like I said in another message, no one I was watching with, and no one I saw today (yes, some do have children), commented on how their kids just got influenced to treat women as play things. They all said how funny the Janet Jackson popping out was... I guess I'll have to see how their children grow up... maybe their boys will grow up treating women as play things, and their girls allow themselves to be treated as play things... all because of this halftime show.


I don't want to comment anymore... I come here to read stories and reply.. not get into a discussion about cultures and stuff. :) This is the last you'll hear of me on this stuff...

[miami_fan]

The flag was being misused long before 9/11

You know what is funny/strange? As I read your post, a commerical for the movie "Miracle" came on the TV with Jim Craig's character draping himself in the Flag. I began to wonder "Did that flag touch the ground" Hmmmm......

[DanGarion]

This is what happens when you remove God from public schools.
I hope you are kidding...

[Craptacular]

Since 9/11/2001, the Flag has been misused but that has been accepted as a "show of patriotism" The Flag should never be worn as part of wearing apparel but how many jackets, t-shirts, hats, bikinis etc do we see with the Flag? I am not excusing the use but I think it was a sign of ignorance than disrespect

So is SkyDog ignorant or disrespectful?? :D

[Easy Mac]

So is SkyDog ignorant or disrespectful?? :D
I don't see how anyone could think that picture is disgraceful.

[CamEdwards]

I don't see any bars on that bikini. I just see the stars. :)

[DanGarion]

You know if we all lived in Europe we'd be talking about the game and not the boob.

[Easy Mac]

I don't see any bars on that bikini. :)
Just look at the front and you'll see 1.

[Honolulu_Blue]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3453855.stm

Inquiry into Janet Jackson flash

US federal TV regulators have launched an inquiry into Janet Jackson's Super Bowl performance, which left her more than a little exposed.

Jackson's right breast was seen by millions on TV after Justin Timberlake pulled at her bodice in what was a planned "costume reveal" during a duet.

"It was not my intention that it go as far as it did," said Jackson.

The National Football League has said that MTV could lose its contract to produce the half-time show.

"We were extremely disappointed by the show," said NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue.

"It was totally inconsistent with assurances our office was given about the content of the show."

We don't buy for a minute that this was not planned

Jan LaRue, Concerned Women for America
He added: "The show was offensive, inappropriate and embarrassing to us and our fans."

Michael Powell, Federal Communications Commission chairman, said it was a "classless, crass and deplorable stunt".

The FCC, the main government media watchdog, has announced an inquiry to see whether the display of flesh constituted indecency.

Unaware

Mr Powell said he had ordered a "thorough and swift" investigation.

"The decision to have a costume reveal at the end of my half-time show performance was made after final rehearsals," Jackson said in a statement.

She added that MTV, which produced the half-time show, had been completely unaware of the plans.

The incident has sparked feverish debate in the US, following the controversial half-time show during the Super Bowl final between the New England Patriots and the Carolina Panthers.

Jackson's spokesman Stephen Huvane was quoted by CNN as saying the incident "was a malfunction of the wardrobe".

He said: "It was not intentional... he was supposed to pull away the bustier and leave the red-lace bra."

Jan LaRue, chief counsel for the conservative Concerned Women for America group, called it a "pornographic show".

"We don't buy for a minute that this was not planned. Everybody knew what was going on here."

-----------------------------------

This is great. It's good to see our tax payer money being put to good use. Any second of time wasted on this inquiry, any penny spent on this is an absolute f'ing outrage. It's ridiculous.

I can believe if you though the halftime show was classless and a bit raunchy, the grinding and all that. But for "the boob" however no one would have been talking about this. That's the problem. We saw a little bit of boob-flesh (no nipple even!) and everyone is outraged. Nobody cared until that happened.

[JonInMiddleGA]

This is great. It's good to see our tax payer money being put to good use. Any second of time wasted on this inquiry, any penny spent on this is an absolute f'ing outrage. It's ridiculous.
I couldn't disagree more.

It's long past time the FCC began to actually do their job once again, specifically with regard to violations of existing rules.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I couldn't disagree more.

It's long past time the FCC began to actually do their job once again, specifically with regard to violations of existing rules.

Maybe it's been that I've lived in Europe for two years where no one cares about this sort of thing. Millions of little Euro-kiddies have grown up with uncut R-rated movies being shown on prime-time TV for years. Tits. Swear words. All of that. They seem fine about it.

A tit, with the nipple covered mind you, (what happened to the cardinal rule that it aint nudity until the nipple makes an appearance?) should be the least of or worries and anytime spent "determining" the deceny of a bared tit with the nipple covered is an absolute waste of time and resources.

[Ksyrup]

Look familiar? (Safe for work)

hxxp://art.towerrecords.com/coverart.asp?S=2319369&X=178&Y=178 (http://art.towerrecords.com/coverart.asp?S=2319369&X=178&Y=178)


Who knew Janet was a Lacuna Coil fan?!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Maybe it's been that I've lived in Europe for two years where no one cares about this sort of thing.
HB, honest to goodness, I don't mean what I'm about to say to sound harsh (qualified because it's tough to gauge tone over the internet) but ...

if you like that style of broadcasting enough, then perhaps you should stay in Europe.

The rules for broadcasters in the U.S. are reasonably clear and the mood is very much leaning toward not only enforcement of existing rules but it appears there's a good chance that we'll see them tightened as well, particularly in terms of penalties that have more bite than the current ones.

CBS et al would have had to really work at picking a worse time for an incident like this to occur. Both the FCC and Congress are already on the warpath about content and this was like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

[Subby]

Since 9/11/2001, the Flag has been misused but that has been accepted as a "show of patriotism" The Flag should never be worn as part of wearing apparel but how many jackets, t-shirts, hats, bikinis etc do we see with the Flag? I am not excusing the use but I think it was a sign of ignorance than disrespect Kid Rock chose a creative way in which to show his patriotism. I guess I don't see the big problem...

[WussGawd]

Since 9/11/2001, the Flag has been misused but that has been accepted as a "show of patriotism" The Flag should never be worn as part of wearing apparel but how many jackets, t-shirts, hats, bikinis etc do we see with the Flag? I am not excusing the use but I think it was a sign of ignorance than disrespect

Not to mention the number of goofballs who mounted the things on their cars in the immediate aftermath, and then let them flap in the breeze for months until they were in tatters.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I couldn't disagree more.

It's long past time the FCC began to actually do their job once again, specifically with regard to violations of existing rules.

Goodness Jon and I agree!

It isn't just about the flashing, it is about the whole halftime show. (for the record Puffy was just as guilty as Kid Rock and the rest of them)

As far as the flag incident, people do stuff with the flag that I would never do, but I put part of that on my military background. The flag to me is sacred and to others it's just a prop. Nothing I can really do about it unless I ran into Kid Rock for about 5 minutes. ;)

[CamEdwards]

Goodness Jon and I agree!

It isn't just about the flashing, it is about the whole halftime show. (for the record Puffy was just as guilty as Kid Rock and the rest of them)

As far as the flag incident, people do stuff with the flag that I would never do, but I put part of that on my military background. The flag to me is sacred and to others it's just a prop. Nothing I can really do about it unless I ran into Kid Rock for about 5 minutes. ;)

I don't have a military background, but I guess I'm one of those "sheeple" who were changed by 9/11. I don't fly a flag at home because I'm afraid I'd start to get lax about its care. I get annoyed when I see the tattered flag flapping around the antenna of a car, or flying above a business while in shreds, or worn as a serape by a white trash rock star.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I pretty much agree. I don't mind the t-shirts and jackets and stuff, but it comes to an actual flag or facsimile people should treat it with respect. It is depressing to me to see it misused, abused or used for something other than its intention. A lot of blood over the years have been spilled over that flag and the right to hoist it properly.

I'll get off the soapbox now. :)

[gstelmack]

Goodness Jon and I agree!

It isn't just about the flashing, it is about the whole halftime show. (for the record Puffy was just as guilty as Kid Rock and the rest of them)

One thing about the flashing that was mentioned early in the thread but has been lost in recent discussion: this wasn't just a bit of nudity or her flashing herself, it was him reaching over, grabbing, and ripping off a hunk of her clothing. Doesn't this come pretty close to a simulated sexual assault (while she may have known it was coming, part of the act was for her to pretend to be surprised and offended)? That's not the type of behavior we want to be encouraging, is it?

[Honolulu_Blue]

HB, honest to goodness, I don't mean what I'm about to say to sound harsh (qualified because it's tough to gauge tone over the internet) but ...

if you like that style of broadcasting enough, then perhaps you should stay in Europe.

The rules for broadcasters in the U.S. are reasonably clear and the mood is very much leaning toward not only enforcement of existing rules but it appears there's a good chance that we'll see them tightened as well, particularly in terms of penalties that have more bite than the current ones.

CBS et al would have had to really work at picking a worse time for an incident like this to occur. Both the FCC and Congress are already on the warpath about content and this was like waving a red flag in front of a bull.

Jon, no harshness felt at all. I can sympathize if you feel that the FCC needs to be patrolling the TV waves more diligently. There is a lot of crap on TV. I just think using this incident as a platform for this is stupid. Only people on the fringe would have cared about the lame-ass halftime show if there hadn't been two seconds of one bared tit.

The idea that a bared female breast is something to be afraid of, something that shocks and horrifies a nation, and something that can corrupt children just seems utterly ridiculous to me. It really does.

[Subby]

I pretty much agree. I don't mind the t-shirts and jackets and stuff, but it comes to an actual flag or facsimile people should treat it with respect. It is depressing to me to see it misused, abused or used for something other than its intention. A lot of blood over the years have been spilled over that flag and the right to hoist it properly. With all due respect (and I have all the respect in the world for those who served) wasn't the fighting for what that flag represented and not the flag itself? The meaning of the American flag is so powerful and so complex that, to me, it is at its best when people use it in ways that are unconventional, unpopular and controversial. The ultimate in freedom of expression - one of the most important freedoms that we enjoy in this country - is that we are free to use the American flag to express ourselves in any way we want.

[clintl]

I agree 100% with what Subby said. What the flag represents is what's important, and I get annoyed when people elevate the symbol above the principles it supposedly symbolizes.

[rkmsuf]

I'm not a Kid Rock guy really but he was the best of all the perfomers at halftime...

[Ksyrup]

Only people on the fringe would have cared about the lame-ass halftime show if there hadn't been two seconds of one bared tit.
The most recent articles about this situation indicate that many people were upset about the show as a whole, not just the "exposure." That seems to be the titilating headline (haha), but the FCC received complaints about the entire show, not just that one thing. SO I think your assertion is incorrect. It's not just "people on the fringe."

[Butter]

The idea that a bared female breast is something to be afraid of, something that shocks and horrifies a nation, and something that can corrupt children just seems utterly ridiculous to me. It really does.

It's not ridiculous to just you. I have 2 young kids, and I guess it just wouldn't bother me that much to have them see a boob on TV. Explicit sexual behavior is one thing, but a boob is something else.

Doesn't matter anyway, since they were both in bed at the time.

I'm surprised about all the talk about the FCC here... I thought conservatives were for free-markets and the end of government regulation? I guess when it comes to seeing a titty, that's where we draw the line. :rolleyes:

[JonInMiddleGA]

I thought conservatives were for free-markets and the end of government regulation? I guess when it comes to seeing a titty, that's where we draw the line. :rolleyes:
You've haven't seen me make too many arguments in that direction.

Then again, the online tests rightly show me as an authoritarian moreso than a conservative http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif

[Ksyrup]

I'm not a Kid Rock guy really but he was the best of all the perfomers at halftime...
That's not saying too much...

I went out for lunch yesterday and Rush Limbaugh was on the local AM station, and he said that Kid Rock was the only performer who didn't lip-synch, yet he was probably the only one who should have. I tend to agree with that.

I asked this earlier, but haven't seen a satisfactory response - was there some sort of "theme" to that show, or did they just randomly pick songs that were 5-20 years old on purpose? What was the point of Kid Rock performing a song from 1998?

[CamEdwards]

And I thought liberals were all in favor of more government regulation... but I guess that doesn't apply when it comes to enforcing standards of decency.

[rkmsuf]

The most recent articles about this situation indicate that many people were upset about the show as a whole, not just the "exposure." That seems to be the titilating headline (haha), but the FCC received complaints about the entire show, not just that one thing. SO I think your assertion is incorrect. It's not just "people on the fringe."

It was an odd production for the event. I don't know what happened but they seemed to have forgotten this isn't the "10 spot" and millions of people watch this thing...people like families maybe?

The idiots got so much pub from the whole britney/madonna kiss they thought they could do anything...dumbasses...

Combining badly done perfomances with tasteless performances had to be a homerun...

[HornedFrog Purple]

With all due respect (and I have all the respect in the world for those who served) wasn't the fighting for what that flag represented and not the flag itself? The meaning of the American flag is so powerful and so complex that, to me, it is at its best when people use it in ways that are unconventional, unpopular and controversial. The ultimate in freedom of expression - one of the most important freedoms that we enjoy in this country - is that we are free to use the American flag to express ourselves in any way we want.

The flag is a national symbol that allows us to express ourselves in any way we want. You present an interesting dilemma if you should use the flag itself in any way you want as long as it is not desecration. I say no, you say yes. In my opinion, the flag should be used as it was meant to be used, a symbol flying proudly for the many years of trial that went into building this republic.

When I see the flag torn up or shredded from lack of care or hanging from a building the wrong way I admit it is a pet peeve of mine. I equate it to spraying graffiti on Mount Everest or something similar. Draping it over one's self doesn't do anything for me. The same message could have been accomplished flying on a flagpole in its proper place right next to Kid Rock.

The only other proper use to me of the flag is when one of our heroes is put to rest.

You and I just differ on the subject, it doesn't mean I am right.

[rkmsuf]

That's not saying too much...

I went out for lunch yesterday and Rush Limbaugh was on the local AM station, and he said that Kid Rock was the only performer who didn't lip-synch, yet he was probably the only one who should have. I tend to agree with that.

I asked this earlier, but haven't seen a satisfactory response - was there some sort of "theme" to that show, or did they just randomly pick songs that were 5-20 years old on purpose? What was the point of Kid Rock performing a song from 1998?

In a weird sort of way I admired Kid Rock for a least "keeping it real" and bringing an actual performance. I thought he sounded fine and brought some energy.

That Nelly and P-Diddy thing was a disgrace. They couldn't even get half the lip-sync down.

Janet was hot 15 years ago for crying out loud...not today. When she started Rythem Nation it became a complete joke...

[JonInMiddleGA]

or did they just randomly pick songs that were 5-20 years old on purpose?
Purely a guess but I imagine the songs were selected on the basis of being the one's mostly likely recognizable to the widest audience possible. Something along the lines of a "biggest hit" criteria.

[HornedFrog Purple]

Oops I should say when they have the huge flag held by a bunch of people and run out into the middle of a stadium for the national anthem or something similar that is ok too even though it is upside down or off angle to some people there. :)

[Butter]

And I thought liberals were all in favor of more government regulation... but I guess that doesn't apply when it comes to enforcing standards of decency.

Any time you talk about standards of decency, you're talking about a pretty subjective set of criteria.

Liberals are for freedom of artistic expression as well. CBS will have to deal with the negative publicity that this stunt has generated, but why in the world should there be any sort of government penalty? There shouldn't be.

[Subby]

The flag is a national symbol that allows us to express ourselves in any way we want. You present an interesting dilemma if you should use the flag itself in any way you want as long as it is not desecration. I say no, you say yes. In my opinion, the flag should be used as it was meant to be used, a symbol flying proudly for the many years of trial that went into building this republic.

When I see the flag torn up or shredded from lack of care or hanging from a building the wrong way I admit it is a pet peeve of mine. I equate it to spraying graffiti on Mount Everest or something similar. Draping it over one's self doesn't do anything for me. The same message could have been accomplished flying on a flagpole in its proper place right next to Kid Rock.

The only other proper use to me of the flag is when one of our heroes is put to rest.

You and I just differ on the subject, it doesn't mean I am right. Well put. Again, this to me is an example the wonderful paradox of the American flag. It represents something so incredibly sacred that the thought of defiling or desecrating it seems borderline obscene. However, it is often the most egregious and disgusting act against the flag which truly represents its power to symbolize our freedoms.

[CamEdwards]

Any time you talk about standards of decency, you're talking about a pretty subjective set of criteria.

Liberals are for freedom of artistic expression as well. CBS will have to deal with the negative publicity that this stunt has generated, but why in the world should there be any sort of government penalty? There shouldn't be.

It's not subjective at all. From the FCC website:


Indecent Broadcasts Restricted to 10 P.M. - 6 A.M.

The Commission has defined broadcast indecency as language or material that, in context, depicts or describes, in terms patently offensive as measured by contemporary community standards for the broadcast medium, sexual or excretory organs or activities. In applying the "community standards for the broadcast medium" criterion, the Commission has stated, "The determination as to whether certain programming is patently offensive is not a local one and does not encompass any particular geographic area. Rather, the standard is that of an average broadcast viewer or listener and not the sensibilities of any individual complainant." Indecent programming contains sexual or excretory references that do not rise to the level of obscenity. As such, the courts have held that indecent material is protected by the First Amendment and cannot be banned entirely. It may, however, be restricted in order to avoid its broadcast during times of day when there is a reasonable risk that children may be in the audience. For a complete summary of the Commission's case law regarding the indecency standard, see Industry Guidance On the Commission's Case Law Interpreting 18 U.S.C. § 1464 and Enforcement Policies Regarding Broadcast Indecency, 16 FCC Rcd 7999 (2001).

Consistent with a subsequent statute and federal court decisions interpreting the indecency statute, the Commission adopted a rule (47 C.F.R. § 73.3999) pursuant to which broadcasts - both on television and radio - that fit within the definition of indecency and that are aired between 6:00 a.m. and 10:00 p.m. are subject to indecency enforcement action.


I'm not for more government, but if we have a regulatory agency... it might as well do its job.

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's not subjective at all.
Thanks for taking the time to pull the regs. As it indicates, this ain't exactly brain surgery.

[CamEdwards]

no problem. That, by the way, is for indecent broadcasts. I don't think this would meet the standard of obscene material, so I'm assuming the FCC will be investigating whether or not the halftime show was indecent.

[Butter]

It's not subjective at all. From the FCC website:

So, you're telling me that that monstrous nebulous paragraph is supposed to be authoritative in some way, and not subjective? As if "community standards" and "standards of an average viewer" can be patently quantified? You MUST be joking.

[CamEdwards]

So, you're telling me that that monstrous nebulous paragraph is supposed to be authoritative in some way, and not subjective?
As if "community standards" and "standards of an average viewer" can be patently quantified? You MUST be joking.

Nope, not joking. I can tell you as a broadcaster that I have a good idea of the standards of the "average listener", and I'm not going to violate those standards. CBS in turn has a pretty good idea of the "average viewer" of the Super Bowl, and the question now is did they fail to live up to the standards set by the average viewer.

Based on the number of emails and phone calls to the FCC complaining about the event... I'd say yes. Was it intentional? I guess the investigation will have to decide that as well.

[miami_fan]

I would be interested to know who was the average viewer of the Super Bowl and what the standards of said viewer.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Nope, not joking. I can tell you as a broadcaster that I have a good idea of the standards of the "average listener", and I'm not going to violate those standards.
I dare say that every broadcaster knows exactly what you mean right there.
And could probably relate to the notion of "when in doubt, you've probably crossed the line".

Like I said, it ain't brain surgery, you just ... know.

{And the swift apologies from CBS-TV tells me that they knew too}

[Ajaxab]

I struggle to understand how someone couldn't object to the halftime show. Those who don't have a problem with it appear to be either isolating the alleged 'costume malfunction' as an issue of sex rather than violence and sex and wondering what the big deal is or saying that seeing the halftime show won't have any kind of effect on those who saw it.

Get back to the entire message the halftime show was sending. The show was essentially saying that men can use their power to make women objects and commit sexual assault to possess these objects. That message has to be challenged. Timberlake presented that message and Jackson's actions implicated her in the same idea. She allowed Timberlake to do what he did even if the consequences were more severe than she initially intended. We can't necessarily say that the show was about sex, but Timberlake and Jackson connected violence to sex. Sure, you could question my definition of violence, but if any man did the same thing on the street, I don't think too many people would disagree that he had committed a violent act.

Will this one halftime show change the way people relate to one another? That would be a ludicrous conclusion to come to. However, it's the connection between sex and violence that has to be questioned and the images linking these things in our culture that have to have an effect over time as they continue to bombard us.

[Samdari]

I thought conservatives were for free-markets and the end of government regulation?

Only when it applies to companies they own.

[Butter]

And so we come back to Honolulu_Blue's original point....

flashing a tit is not that big a freakin' deal.

And my point: the FCC is about useless to everyone at this point, if they're spending their time on this and not the mass-conglomeration of media companies.

[Bubba Wheels]

Well, since the Federal Government has been spending so much of its time lately getting the 10 commandments out of schools and courts to make them safe for secularism, it is kinda nice to see them doing something for which the Constitution actually does authorize them to do. Remember, unlike cable, the broadcast networks have free licenses (some say licenses to print money) to profit over the PUBLIC airwaves, and as such are regulated by FCC standards of decency.

Sick of hearing what Europe thinks or does. So what? I lived there for 4 1/2 years in the 80s. Some really good people there but just as many if not more very jaded and materialistic. Some would even say depraved. Look at the thread going on here about Sweden, supposedly one of the more 'enlightened' countries. Europe to me is nothing more than a barometer of what this country will someday look like as it continues to turn its back on God.

As for the flag, the thing about that is its supposed to be treated as a 'living' thing. It symoblizes the living spirit of freedom in ALL American, a 'collective consciencess" of the country if you will. That's why military honor guards never turn their back on it, but instead 'wheel around' when making a turn. The bothersome thing about Kid Rock and the like is that while they wrap themselves around this 'living symbol of the American spirit of freedom', they only do so to promote themselves and their own profit by it. Just more crass comercialism.

[The_herd]

And so we come back to Honolulu_Blue's original point....

flashing a tit is not that big a freakin' deal.


This may not be a big deal to you or me, but I can see how others may feel that it is, and we aren't in a position to tell them whether they are right or wrong. There are a lot of people in this country that find such things offensive and the FCC is in place to keep things that are offensive out of broadcasts such as the Super Bowl. There were obviously enough complaints from people to warrant an investigation and if the FCC is simply doing its job I'm not going to complain.

[Butter]

There are a lot of people in this country that find such things offensive and the FCC is in place to keep things that are offensive out of broadcasts such as the Super Bowl.

There are a lot of people in this country who don't find such things offensive. Just because the FCC is in place to do a job, doesn't mean I have to agree with what they do or how they do it.

I just found it humorous that some of the conservatives on the boards here were all of a sudden not only fond of but pushing for more government intervention.