A Friday Puzzle/game

[WSUCougar]

There are ten colors listed below in alphabetical order. I have randomly mixed their order and placed them in a vertical list numbered 1-10, top to bottom. The object of the game is to be the first to list them in their correct order. To obtain clues, you may ask each color any question, one at a time (one per post, and you may not post questions back to back). The catch is that each color may lie ONCE (for the whole game). Proceed.

Black
Blue
Brown
Gray
Green
Orange
Purple
Red
White
Yellow

[mauchow]

Do they have to be 'yes' or 'no' questions?????

[Airhog]

black: will you have sex with me?

[rkmsuf]

Brown: What's your favorite color?

[WSUCougar]

Do they have to be 'yes' or 'no' questions?????
Nope.

[QuikSand]

This is going about how you'd hoped...right?

[Maple Leafs]

Do the colors only "know" their own positions, or everyone's?

[WSUCougar]

black: will you have sex with me?
To quote Clint Eastwood in one of his movies, "Only with humans." ;)

Brown: What's your favorite color?
Tan

[QuikSand]

to Black: How many colors are already in their proper position?

[corbes]

Green: What's the correct order of colors?

[WSUCougar]

This is going about how you'd hoped...right?
That's a big negative.

Do the colors only "know" their own positions, or everyone's?
Ask one of them.

[Maple Leafs]

Blue: Which colors are directly before and after you?

[WSUCougar]

to Black: How many colors are already in their proper position?
Three

Green: What's the correct order of colors?
1. Gray
2. Green
3. Orange
4. Purple
5. Red
6. White
7. Yellow
8. Black
9. Blue
10. Brown

[corbes]

Green: In the initial list, are you listed in your proper position?

[WSUCougar]

Blue: Which colors are directly before and after you?
Black and Brown

[WSUCougar]

Green: In the initial list, are you listed in your proper position?
No

[henry296]

Green:

What is the correct order of the colors.

[WSUCougar]

Green:

What is the correct order of the colors.
1. Blue
2. Purple
3. Gray
4. Green
5. Black
6. Orange
7. Red
8. Brown
9. White
10. Yellow

[Buccaneer]

Green:

What is the correct order of the colors.

And there you have it.

[QuikSand]

So, at least one of the two-part answer from 11:03 must be a lie - since they are inconsistent.

It would make the game easier, but violate the concept a bit, if we asked all our questions to the same color.

[QuikSand]

Green: What is the correct order of the colors?

Two out of three ought to settle this. *sigh*

[henry296]

Green: Are you in position 4.

[VPI97]

My guess

1. Gray
2. Green
3. Orange
4. Purple
5. Red
6. White
7. Yellow
8. Black
9. Blue
10. Brown

[rkmsuf]

Green: you are just freakin lying aren't you?

[WSUCougar]

Green: What is the correct order of the colors?

Two out of three ought to settle this. *sigh*
1. Blue
2. Purple
3. Gray
4. Green
5. Black
6. Orange
7. Red
8. Brown
9. White
10. Yellow

[corbes]

Blue's answer at 11:04 is tied to the Green 11:03 answer. They are both either lying or telling the truth.

[VPI97]

My guess part 2

1. Blue
2. Purple
3. Gray
4. Green
5. Black
6. Orange
7. Red
8. Brown
9. White
10. Yellow

[VPI97]

dola -

Yay!

[VPI97]

- Potential rules amendment - All questions should be yes/no

[WSUCougar]

Correct, VPI97

Okay, let's try it again, only making it illegal to ask a color what the order is. I need an exact wording of that rule, however, to cover it.

[henry296]

WSU Cougar,

Can we try again with a new rule: Can't ask the same question to the same color.

[corbes]

Correct, VPI97

Okay, let's try it again, only making it illegal to ask a color what the order is. I need an exact wording of that rule, however, to cover it.

Let's go Yes or No.

Sorry I broke the game. I only intended to get Green to lie, and then I was going to ask real questions.

[WSUCougar]

- Potential rules amendment - All questions should be yes/noOkay. Let's try that. Shuffling...

[WSUCougar]

Proceed!

[Buccaneer]

Not only yes/no but that a color can lie more than once. Otherwise we would just be throwing up lists at random and asking if this is correct or not.

[corbes]

Green: Is at least one color listed in the correct place (according to initial list)?

[VPI97]

Blue - Are you in the first 5?

[WSUCougar]

Green: Is at least one color listed in the correct place (according to initial list)?
Yes

Blue - Are you in the first 5?
Yes

[WSUCougar]

Not only yes/no but that a color can lie more than once. Otherwise we would just be throwing up lists at random and asking if this is correct or not.
Since we've already begun, we'll stick to the one lie rule this go round.

And welcome back, Bucc!

[Buccaneer]

Thanks, I appreciate that!

[mauchow]

(to try to get blue to lie)

Blue - Are you in the bottom 5?

[VPI97]

Orange - Are you ahead of Blue?

[WSUCougar]

(to try to get blue to lie)

Blue - Are you in the bottom 5?
No

[WSUCougar]

Orange - Are you ahead of Blue?
No

[corbes]

Green: Is Blue in the Top 5?

[WSUCougar]

Green: Is Blue in the Top 5?
Yes

[mauchow]

Black - Is there a color behind you?

[WSUCougar]

Black - Is there a color behind you?
Yes

[Fido]

Not only yes/no but that a color can lie more than once. Otherwise we would just be throwing up lists at random and asking if this is correct or not.
How about certain colors always lie (odd numbered ones?) and certain ones always tell the truth?

[WSUCougar]

Seems like this has fizzled already. Should I try a new thread, or let it die?

[mauchow]

I was wondering why you didn't start a new thread for the 2nd game....

Also, I was following the rules, so I couldn't post two questions in a row.

[QuikSand]

I like the general idea, but agree that it needs a tweak.

I think the weak element right now is that there's no incentive to ask questions of multiple colors, sicne they all seem omniscient. If the questioners just agreed on one color, they could really minimize the lying aspect of the game.

One idea, though this might sent things in a different direction that you had originally intended: how about if each color can only see who is ahead of them and behind them in line - and doesn't know what spot they are in unless it's first or last.

That would limit the questions to things like: "Blue, can you see green?" and "Yellow, are you either first or last in line?" That would wipe out completely the sweeping questions, and would also force us to use numerous different colors as targets of questions.


A separate thought: In lots of logic games, they separate people into "tribes" that have certain truth/lie patterns. The most common is three variants: always truthful, always lying, and alternating back and forth. It's possible that assigning a pre-defined number of each of thse to the colors would be an interesting twist (rather than the more or less random single lie idea)


Feel free to use either idea as you see fit.