Bengal Fans?

[Travis]

Opinions? (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpZ2NvMjltBF9TAzk1ODYxMDU5BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-bengals-sapp&prov=ap&type=lgns)

Sorry if this has been posted, couldn't find another thread with it, but I am extremely lazy.

[Kodos]

Overrated, but still a good player.

Oh, and also he's a jerk.

[duckman]

With the addition of Sapp, they have another leader in the locker room. He's a winner and will help the Bengals. He may be of lesser skills, but he will give their line a disruptive force.

[korme]

We needed a corner, dammit.

[duckman]

We needed a corner, dammit.

Cowboys need a corner and you don't hear me bitching! ;)

[Julio Riddols]

I think this deal gives us help at corner as much as anything, because it takes away about 20-30% of those plays where the d-line just can't get any pressure on the QB. Sapp will be double teamed for he most part, I imagine, and who knows? Maybe he gets revitalized by a change in scenery and goes on to have a great season. Regardless of attitude or anything of that sort, he is a player with lots of playoff experience, and a guy with an aggressive style which the bengals need badly. Last year they were a couple games where they might have won had they not played so soft. I think that was their only weakness as a team. They don't have that killer instinct or that nasty aggressiveness that a champion team has. Maybe they have the right players now to mke a run. We already know they have the coach, and their attitudes are becoming more "can do" rather than "oh boy, now what?" We'll see how it plays out.

[HornedFrog Purple]

I think Sapp just signed with the Raiders.

[RendeR]

Sapp is overrated at this age and is NOT worth 4-5 million per season that he will demand. This team's D-line woasare not nearly as severe as everyone seems to make them out to be. They need a shutdown corner, period. Take away a teams recieving corps and teh Qb can sit back there all decade if he likes, he's still not going to complete anything.

Oh, and Sapp's a Raider anyway, thank god he's not a bengal. We have enough problems in the locker room with Cory "I think I'm the owner" dillon running amok and pointing fingers at everyone but himself for his problems.

I hope the raiders enjoy finishing in the basement for a few years, they keep making idiotic moves like signing problem children =0

[cthomer5000]

I think Sapp just signed with the Raiders.

correct. Apparently the Oakland jerk magnet was switched on just in time. This virtually guarantees they will trade for Corey Dillon and draft Maurice Clarett.

I think the Bengals will realize late this year that they really won by losing out on Sapp.

[Rhone Ranger]

The Bengals definitely dodged a bullet by "losing" out on Sapp. Hey, if the Raiders want to commit suicide by overpaying for loudmouth players past their prime, you're better off just letting them do it rather than trying to outspend them. Next year, when the Raiders are 2-14 and Sapp and Al Davis are exchanging all sorts of nasty names, the Bengals can sit back and be glad they "lost" on this deal. :)

[Axxon]

The Bengals definitely dodged a bullet by "losing" out on Sapp. Hey, if the Raiders want to commit suicide by overpaying for loudmouth players past their prime, you're better off just letting them do it rather than trying to outspend them. Next year, when the Raiders are 2-14 and Sapp and Al Davis are exchanging all sorts of nasty names, the Bengals can sit back and be glad they "lost" on this deal. :)

Warren was a member of the old creamsickle Buccaneers. He knows what losing feels like and he has NEVER badmouthed Culverhouse or the Glazers. I'm not sure who you are talking about on this board but it sure as hell isn't Warren Sapp.

[Rhone Ranger]

Warren was a member of the old creamsickle Buccaneers. He knows what losing feels like and he has NEVER badmouthed Culverhouse or the Glazers. I'm not sure who you are talking about on this board but it sure as hell isn't Warren Sapp.

When we're talking about loudmouths, it definitely is Warren Sapp I'm talking about. :)

Exhibit A: "The NFL officials are slavemasters!"

Exhibit B: "Oh yeah? You're so tough? Put a jersey on!" [eyes bulge for extra a-hole effect]

Exhibit C: Warren on just about any given day. :rolleyes:

[Axxon]

When we're talking about loudmouths, it definitely is Warren Sapp I'm talking about. :)

Exhibit A: "The NFL officials are slavemasters!"

Exhibit B: "Oh yeah? You're so tough? Put a jersey on!" [eyes bulge for extra a-hole effect]

Exhibit C: Warren on just about any given day. :rolleyes:

OK, but we're not talking about loudmouths which he is. On the other Sapp thread you called him a locker room cancer and he is not. Here you say he'll badmouth his owner which he has never done. He's never even badmouthed the team.

His first season, the bucs were 7-9 and he was a part time player? Did he complain? No.

They dropped to 6-10 the next season. Did he complain? No.

When the offense was holding them back and Chidi badmouthed the offense did he agree, no he blasted Chidi. Sounds like a team player.

Last season we nosedived and the team fell apart. Disharmony was everywhere. Did Sapp take aim at the team, coach, gm, owner. Nope, he took it out on the league officials.

Did he publicly grumble when he wasn't given an extension?? Nope, he even waited until Rich McKay left the team to take a potshot at him. Big disruption.

Now that he has been basically ignored has he taken a shot at the Bucs on his website hxxp://www.qbkilla.com/ ??

Nope, he has a picture of a tombstone inscribed with a Bucs flag and the following:

1995-2003
"Thanks"

Seems pretty classy to me.

Sapp is a lot of things but he's ALWAYS been a team player and a loyal Buccaneer. I can't imagine him changing with the change of scenery.

Like I said before, I don't know who you're talking about but you're not talking about Warren Sapp. :)

ps: Damned I'm going to miss Sapp, big mouth and all. I wish him all the best but I think he should have been allowed to retire a Buc. So, it may may hurt our chances at another ring in the near future but it's not like we don't know what losing feels like. Most fans I know feel the same way. :(

[Rhone Ranger]

OK, but we're not talking about loudmouths which he is.

Actually I was talking about loudmouths. It's the word I used from the start. (See my first post).

On the other Sapp thread you called him a locker room cancer and he is not.

I've never used that phrase about anyone. I think you have me confused with someone else.

Here you say he'll badmouth his owner which he has never done.

True he's never done that, but he's never had an owner as insane as Al Davis before. :) Between the kookoo Al Davis, and the loudmouth Warren Sapp, and the poor season the Raiders are likely to have, I will not be surprised if recriminations fly between the players and staff by about midseason this year. (And it won't be all Warren's fault, but he won't exactly be a calming influence either).

[Axxon]

Actually I was talking about loudmouths. It's the word I used from the start. (See my first post).

Yes, it's the word you used but when you brought up him and Al having words you qualified the variety of loudmouth he'd be and he's not that kind of loudmouth. :)


I've never used that phrase about anyone. I think you have me confused with someone else.

No, it was you. You didn't use the exact phrase but you said

2. There's too much harmony in our locker room. We need more disruptive influences, something to shake up the place.


That describes a locker room cancer. I was simply taking your quote and shortening it to what it really means. What is a locker room cancer? One who is disruptive to the harmony in the locker room. What else could you have possibly meant??


True he's never done that, but he's never had an owner as insane as Al Davis before. :) Between the kookoo Al Davis, and the loudmouth Warren Sapp, and the poor season the Raiders are likely to have, I will not be surprised if recriminations fly between the players and staff by about midseason this year. (And it won't be all Warren's fault, but he won't exactly be a calming influence either).

He has worked for Hugh Culverhouse though and that is worse. Imagine a prick who not only won't pay you but is determined to keep the team a loser because he makes more money that way. I think Warren would rather deal with Al than Hugh.

Now, here you say that the players will sling recriminations due to Al's craziness and Warren's shenanigans and I'd certainly not argue that this isn't a distinct possibility. I just don't think it will be Warren slinging the recriminations which is what I objected to.


Next year, when the Raiders are 2-14 and Sapp and Al Davis are exchanging all sorts of nasty names, the Bengals can sit back and be glad they "lost" on this deal.


Hey, I hope you're right about the rest of it though. I hate the Raiders. :)

[scooper]

I was upset when he signed with the Raiders. But I'm glad the Bengals didn't offer him what the Raiders did. I like the guys we've picked up in FA, but we've swung and missed on some big names that would have filled big needs. We currently don't have enough CB's to field a team. And I disagree with RendeR. The D-line does need serious upgrading. As bad as our corners are, the inability to stop the run was the main thing keeping us out of the playoffs last year. If we could have stopped the run, we would have beaten the Raiders and the second Browns game and won the division.

[Rhone Ranger]

Yes, it's the word you used but when you brought up him and Al having words you qualified the variety of loudmouth he'd be and he's not that kind of loudmouth. :)



No, it was you. You didn't use the exact phrase but you said



That describes a locker room cancer. I was simply taking your quote and shortening it to what it really means. What is a locker room cancer? One who is disruptive to the harmony in the locker room. What else could you have possibly meant??



He has worked for Hugh Culverhouse though and that is worse. Imagine a prick who not only won't pay you but is determined to keep the team a loser because he makes more money that way. I think Warren would rather deal with Al than Hugh.

Now, here you say that the players will sling recriminations due to Al's craziness and Warren's shenanigans and I'd certainly not argue that this isn't a distinct possibility. I just don't think it will be Warren slinging the recriminations which is what I objected to.



Hey, I hope you're right about the rest of it though. I hate the Raiders. :)



I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. Descriptions of Warren Sapp as a bad-mouther (as opposed to a loudmouth - these are different things) or as a "cancer" are entirely your words and concepts. I don't know where you got them or why you brought them up, but I never said them. I never implied them.

Here's what I did say, and what I still believe:

1. Warren Sapp is a big fat loudmouth. (I did not say he is disloyal to his teammates. That is entirely your idea, not mine).

2. He is a disruptive influence on a team by running his mouth all the time, dancing through other teams' warmups, bumping referees, and calling the NFL "slavemasters". It is possible to be disruptive while not necessarily being disloyal to one's teammates, and that is what Warren Sapp is. He is a disruption and a distraction.

3. The Raiders fight so much amongst themselves lately that just about everyone gets involved, even the "nice" guys. The idea that Warren Sapp is so humble and self-controlled that he would be one of the few guys who doesn't get involved in the inevitable shouting match stretches the imagination. Quieter people than Sapp have shot their mouths off as Raiders. :) In a place like that, two players who may not have anything against one another suddenly find that one of them hates, say, the coach and the other does not. Players are forced to take sides, even if they don't want to. This is not a recipe for Warren Sapp being a demure little wallflower, and this has nothing whatsoever to do with loyalty.

It's pretty clear that you're a Sapp fan because you're reading things into what I write when they aren't there. Since I don't mean to start an argument here I'll stop posting now.

[Celeval]

I think the Sapp signing would have been a loss for the Bengals, but is a nice move for the Raiders. Sapp and Ted Washington on the defensive line - one of the two will have to be single-teamed; and while Sapp isn't dominant (anymore?), he'll get the majority of those; and that should help their run defense immensely.