i admit to being wrong about tommie harris

[IMetTrentGreen]

oops no i don't:

from espn:

"Apr. 16 - Once considered a certain top-10 choice, Harris now appears to be in joepardy of dropping out of that elite group, says ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli. The Oklahoma defensive tackle is still a first-rounder, but some teams are worried about his lack of size. Others feel there could be some problems with his shoulders.

Harris weighed only 295 pounds at the combine and, although he did an impressive 29 "reps" on the bench press, he isn't strong enough to be the kind of anchor inside defender many teams are seeking now. In scout-speak, he "plays light" and benefited in college from a system where he moved a lot laterally and :eek: didn't have to take on blockers:eek: . Teams feel Harris has some weakness in his shoulders and question his motor. Let's face it, the guy had less than 100 career tackles."

and from TSN

"Oklahoma's Tommie Harris, who generally is ranked No. 1 among the defensive tackles, has moved down to No. 3 on several team's draft boards -- behind Miami's Vince Wilfork and Texas' Marcus Tubbs. In the final evaluation, many coaches say Harris gets pushed around too much. . . "

you'd think i'd get tired of it

[The Afoci]

you'd think i'd get tired of it

Of OU beating you?

[Airhog]

I'm sure you only pointed this out because some texas player no-one has heard of, is ranked higher now.

[Samdari]

I'm sure you only pointed this out because some texas player no-one has heard of, is ranked higher now.

Harris may indeed have dropped out of the top 10. However, the "several" teams that have Tubbs ahead of Harris probably amounts to more like zero. Tubbs is the #5 defensive tackle at best.

[ice4277]

Fans of teams that can't win the big rivalry games always grasp at the little things.

[Huckleberry]

It always amazes me how many of you bite.

As for the topic, if you haven't heard of Marcus Tubbs, that's your own fault. Anyone who actually follows football and top prospects has heard of him.

Is it that hard to admit that IMTG was right about Harris? As Texas fans, we have a pretty good feel for what has made Oklahoma a great team for the last few years, and Harris wasn't it. :D

[IMetTrentGreen]

marcus tubbs is twice as good. or he was, anyway. he got fat and can't play more than a quarter. his own fault

but anyway, the tubbs thing was icing on the cake. none of you can even defend him anymore, you instantly attack. nice job, idiots

[IMetTrentGreen]

nevermind, staying on topic

[The Afoci]

but anyway, the tubbs thing was icing on the cake. none of you can even defend him anymore, you instantly attack. nice job, idiots

You provide 2 sources that say he is dropping after many, many more say he is still top 10. Idiot.

[Subby]

It sounds like Harris would be better suited as a run-stuffing defensive end that rotated to DT on passing downs...

[Huckleberry]

It sounds like Harris would be better suited as a run-stuffing defensive end that rotated to DT on passing downs...

And he would be best-suited as a sub that rotates in at DT on passing downs and leaves the run-stuffing to others. ;)

Actually, you have pretty much nailed his value, although I honestly do question his ability to stuff the run at either position against NFL blockers.

[albionmoonlight]

I don't see why this has to be a mutually exclusive thing. Tommie Harris can be a late first round draft choice that thinks he is top 10 worthy AND Texas can be a Holiday Bowl level football team that thinks it's BCS worthy. This way, everyone can be right.

[HornedFrog Purple]

It sounds like Harris would be better suited as a run-stuffing defensive end that rotated to DT on passing downs...

Actually I think he would be better suited in a 3-4 as an end.

If whoever gets him keeps him motivated and in the weight room, he will be good. His last couple of years he was riding the coattails of all the accolades he got in his freshman year. He was very good then.

Tubbs is first-round worthy too. He will just need as much attention. He has a lot of raw ability.

Neither of them held Booger Kennedy's jock the last two years though.

[Huckleberry]

What I don't get is why you people think the fact that our football program is second-tier behind Oklahoma's has any bearing on Tommie Harris' ability or pro prospects. It would be neat if you guys could just address the topic at hand like Subby.

Perhaps IMTG wouldn't bring this up every time it's written about if everyone actually talked about it instead of attacking him as a Texas fan every time. That is irrelevant. If you really want to bring it up, why not discuss the fact that against the horrendous Texas team last year, Tommie Harris accumulated the grand total of one tackle. Or, in other words, he performed as well as he always did in college.

[IMetTrentGreen]

see thats what i'm saying. i'm right so often that they can't even defend him anymore

its a nice feeling

[The Afoci]

its a nice feeling

You know what else is a nice feeling, pulling your head from out your ass. You should try it.

I make me smile on the inside. I plug my nose.

[rkmsuf]

see thats what i'm saying. i'm right so often that they can't even defend him anymore

its a nice feeling

What's exciting is that you are right about the really important stuff.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i dont understand either one of those posts. nobody here claims texas is worth a crap on the football field. and nobody here claims football is important. im not really sure what that meant

that being said, again, no one can argue against me without attacking. as usual

i've been sayting harris was overrated for 3 years. now that its coming out that he was, all you guys can do is throw out lame attacks that don't even make sense, or don't hurt at all, as both huck and i have accepted what our football team is. we are also much, much smarter than any of you

[rkmsuf]

I think my point was essentially I don't care.

Not really an attack per say.

[bhlloy]

Tommie Harris this year is beginning to sound a lot like Dewayne Robertson last year... an underproducing DT who has the measurables and the speed that teams fall in love with and will probably be taken too high. My money is that he is a complete bust.

While some team will steal Chad Lavalais in the third or fourth and he will become a very productive player (and I hate LSU)

[Subby]

i dont understand either one of those posts. nobody here claims texas is worth a crap on the football field. and nobody here claims football is important. im not really sure what that meant

that being said, again, no one can argue against me without attacking. as usual

i've been sayting harris was overrated for 3 years. now that its coming out that he was, all you guys can do is throw out lame attacks that don't even make sense, or don't hurt at all, as both huck and i have accepted what our football team is. we are also much, much smarter than any of youActually, I don't think it is your position per se...just your really annoying way of making it and beating it into the ground that is annoying everyone else.

Or just me...

[General Mike]

marcus tubbs is twice as good. or he was, anyway. he got fat and can't play more than a quarter. his own fault


How the fuck is he twice as good if he can't even play 15 fucking minutes. :rolleyes: Whoever gets Tommie Harris is getting the STEAL of the draft.

[sovereignstar]

that being said, again, no one can argue against me without attacking. as usual
I disagree with you....

*I cast Lvl. 3 Eroticism. You turn into a real beautiful woman.*

[Samdari]

i've been sayting harris was overrated for 3 years

You are basing this on the fact that Harris is going to go between 6-15 in the NFL draft instead of in the top 5? That is the basis for your argument that everyone should now acclaim how right you were about how good he was? I cannot understand that.

[The Afoci]

I cannot understand that.


The main problem is that you are using reason.

[IMetTrentGreen]

You are basing this on the fact that Harris is going to go between 6-15 in the NFL draft instead of in the top 5? That is the basis for your argument that everyone should now acclaim how right you were about how good he was? I cannot understand that.

you cannot understand that because you are making up arguments to argue against. i did not say anythign about draft position, in fact, my points were about the scouting folks not begin impressed with his play

and yeah, if he goes 6-15 instead of 5, thats still technically overrated. he'll go high becuase he is a physical specimen, but so was tony mandarich

here is my official position for all you dimwits:

tommie harris, in the right sytem (pass rush DT, or 3-4 DE), will be a solid player. certainly not great. he wasn't that awesome in college, and was extremely overhyped. texas is also very overrated at football. the end

How the fuck is he twice as good if he can't even play 15 fucking minutes. Whoever gets Tommie Harris is getting the STEAL of the draft.

i said he was good, you flaming retard. he'll either be forced to get in shape and be in the shaun rodgers mold (btw, texas has a bucnh of awesome dt's in the league, we have a track record. and another one is coming) or stay fat and he's a backup or in canada. and unless you call a solid role player in the first 15 picks a steal, no, they are not

[ice4277]

and yeah, if he goes 6-15 instead of 5, thats still technically overrated.
Just curious how you can say he is 'technically overrated' to go that high before he has played even a single down in the NFL. Only time will tell.

[rkmsuf]

honestly I never even heard of the guy until I read this year how Trent Green fell in love with him.

[Abe Sargent]

I don't see why this has to be a mutually exclusive thing. Tommie Harris can be a late first round draft choice that thinks he is top 10 worthy AND Texas can be a Holiday Bowl level football team that thinks it's BCS worthy. This way, everyone can be right.


HAHAHHA. I laughed out loud as I read this, here in my office, and people were looking at me funny.

-Anxiety

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I hate Texas (and the Sooners too. and Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oky State, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Missouri), but I believe Harris was certainly overrated in college. And I don't think he will be drafted in the top 10. Places 6-15 is a little hopeful. That said, way too early to start talking bust.

Edit: and I really hate MICHIGAN!

[Samdari]

Places 6-15 is a little hopeful. That said, way too early to start talking bust.

Well, 6 is very hopeful. He is almost certain to be gone by 15 however.

I do agree that before one has played a down is just a bit early to call someone a bust.

[Noop]

College Football talk must not...........post anything or else I will be called ***(Doh!)

[Butter]

Edit: and I really hate MICHIGAN!

Yeah, they do suck. Hear that H_B, or HB, or hB or whichever one of you it is?

[GrantDawg]

All I know is I would be very dissapointed if the Falcons take him, esp. if it is in their current draft position (8th). He might turn out to be a good player, but he would be a horrible fit in Atlanta.

[Samdari]

he would be a horrible fit in Atlanta.

I think he just became a lock for #8.

And remember, its your fault GrantDawg.

[GrantDawg]

I think he just became a lock for #8.

And remember, its your fault GrantDawg.

Errrrrr....:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Airhog]

The reason people Attack IMTG, is simply because he only posts 2 things. Posts bashing the Sooners, and Posts praising Texas. Ive never seen you post anything other then that.

[IMetTrentGreen]

i bash texas, too. and i praise sooners when they deserve it. i have developed that reputation, but honestly i don't deserve it. i'm the most objective person on this thread. you dont see me saying how overrated teddy lehman is, even though he beat out derrick johnson for the butkis award. i thought, although dj is better, that lehman deserved it for the year he had

and, i post about plenty of other things, i just dont start threads about anything else. i think i've started maybe 10 threads since i've been here

you guys, and especially vegas vic and airhog, just ignore everything that is inconvienient to them, i.e., me being correct 100% of the time

i stick to football. i could, attack too. i saw that picture of your fiance. but i let it slide and stick to facts. i want that consideration too

[duckman]

i bash texas, too. and i praise sooners when they deserve it. i have developed that reputation, but honestly i don't deserve it. i'm the most objective person on this thread. you dont see me saying how overrated teddy lehman is, even though he beat out derrick johnson for the butkis award. i thought, although dj is better, that lehman deserved it for the year he had

and, i post about plenty of other things, i just dont start threads about anything else. i think i've started maybe 10 threads since i've been here

you guys, and especially vegas vic and airhog, just ignore everything that is inconvienient to them, i.e., me being correct 100% of the time

i stick to football. i could, attack too. i saw that picture of your fiance. but i let it slide and stick to facts. i want that consideration tooSuggestion: Use the Shift key!

[Bosco]

i stick to football. i could, attack too. i saw that picture of your fiance. but i let it slide and stick to facts. i want that consideration too

Burn!

[WSUCougar]

I don't see why this has to be a mutually exclusive thing. Tommie Harris can be a late first round draft choice that thinks he is top 10 worthy AND Texas can be a Holiday Bowl level football team that thinks it's BCS worthy. This way, everyone can be right.Correction, dear albion...that would be a Holiday Bowl losing football team.

Washington State 28, Texas 20 :p

[dawgfan]

The reason people Attack IMTG, is simply because he only posts 2 things. Posts bashing the Sooners, and Posts praising Texas. Ive never seen you post anything other then that.

Actually, for most people the reason they bash on IMTG is because of the arrogance of his posts. Case in point:

...i.e., me being correct 100% of the time

Or, the fact he started this thread in the first place.

[Vegas Vic]

and i praise sooners when they deserve it. i have developed that reputation, but honestly i don't deserve it. i'm the most objective person on this thread.

I'm going to call BS on this claim, IMTG.

Unfortunately, much of the evidence is lost on the old board, but I vividly remember some of the posts.

In 2001 before the RRS, you were going on and on about how Texas had the greatest assemblage of talent at WR in the history of college football. I mentioned something about the "real" Roy Williams (OU safety Roy Williams), and you basically said that he wasn't even good enough to start in the Texas secondary. This, before he went out and dominated the game.

You claimed that Teddy Lehman was vastly overrated at linebacker, and had been way overhyped by the media. Interestingly enough, Lehman ended up with more career TD's in the RRS than Texas WR Roy Williams.

In 2002, you went on and on about how much Nate Hybl "sucks". The guy went on to have a 24/8 TD to INT ratio, was named Rose Bowl MVP after demolishing Washington State, and ended up making the roster of the Cleveland Browns in the NFL. Would you admit that "sucks" might be a bit too harsh of an adjective to describe his ability?

There are many others you trashed who come to mind: Vince Carter, Brandon Everage, Jason White, Quentin Griffin just to name a few.

So don't expect anyone to believe your BS about "praising Sooners when they deserve it."

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I hate Texas (and the Sooners too. and Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oky State, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Missouri), but I believe Harris was certainly overrated in college. And I don't think he will be drafted in the top 10. Places 6-15 is a little hopeful. That said, way too early to start talking bust.

Edit: and I really hate MICHIGAN!


Hmmm, well as it seems, we're at #14 now and no Tommie Harris selection, yet. Stay tuned.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

DARN! I was ALMOST the draft guru supreme. 14 is about right for him though. Time will tell.

[IMetTrentGreen]

nate hybl does suck. all you had to do was play zone and he fell apart. why do you think alabama made such a huge comeback two years ago? went from man to zone. why do you think texas intercepted him like 8 times in two years? switched up and played zome on a few downs. when the defense gives him no reason to make a post-snap read, he's fine. not great, but ok. he could hit a deep ball then

as far as texas wr's . . . its a black eye on the program. roy turned out fine, but bj was a lazy player and sloan was either hurt or on the bench not doing anything while bj was on the field not doing anything. then there was greg davis, there was the ol, there was the mock/young passing, there was a lot. as i doubt three better freshman have ever come along like them, and i certainly don't doubt 3 better seniors have ever played at once. you really underestimate just how bad greg davis is as an offensive coordinator. why do you think every scout or analyst mentions the offense when talking about players?

i do remember being wrong about how good quentin griffin was. and i said tubbs would go before harris, back before he got fat. so lets make it 95%

but this thread is about tommie harris. did anyone notice how all his highlights were when no one touched him, or lateral pursuit? i did. most nfl teams did

he was wearing a nice suit though