View Full Version : How can we improve next years FOFC Cup?
Airhog
06-10-2004, 11:29 PM
Im trying to think of ways to improve the cup next year. please post any comments, suggestions ideas, complaints into this thread.
The only idea I have been tossing around is to add one week to the elimination stage. However, Even though I failed to qualify for either rounds, I liked this one better. One reason, is because I felt that it was a real challenge to make it into the elimination stage. You basically had to win your group. However, I think we would need at least 80 people to make it challenging to goto a 32 field elimination bracket.
I have also decided to run the cup again next year. I think having a set format and the same person running it will make it more attractive, and less confusing.
the_meanstrosity
06-11-2004, 12:29 AM
I thought this year's cup was a solid format. It was a definite challenge to get into the elimination stage.
Another thought is to make the cup something that occurs every two seasons rather than every season. You could have a few qualifying matches in season one and then run the elimination bracket in the season. The following season you would start over. Just an idea that would make it similar to the World Cup.
How to improve it? Help the Raiders win it. That'll work. :)
fantastic flying froggies
06-11-2004, 08:41 AM
How to improve it? Help the Raiders win it. That'll work. :)
AE, it might also help if you actually entered a line-up for friendlies, you know...
I was thinking I might need to stop playing that 3rd string keeper at central defender.
DataKing
06-11-2004, 01:04 PM
Just a note here: I would be wary of making the FOFC Cup any longer than it already is. The longer the cup takes, the earlier in the season that it will need to begin. And as our teams get collectively better, the deeper we will go in our national cups (witness Alf and Vikas this season). That means that more teams will need to either bow out or have to refrain from participating in the cup altogether.
Just something to keep in mind.
KevinNU7
06-11-2004, 01:28 PM
I'd recommend having a Cup that takes two seasons.
You could start it in week 9 of each season and then most FOFCers could participate.
Have huge groups in season 1 and then small groups in season 2 that lead to a small knckout round
the_meanstrosity
06-11-2004, 01:38 PM
I'm with Kevin. Have the cup every two seasons. The first season would be a short round of qualifiers and the second season would be the equivalent of the elimination and consolation brackets. That way the cup is broken out into two stages and should be short enough to allow most teams to participate in their national cups.
You will probably lose a few teams in year 2, but they can always be replaced with consolation teams or in the event of the consolation bracket byes could be given out.
I'd recommend having a Cup that takes two seasons.
You could start it in week 9 of each season and then most FOFCers could participate.
Have huge groups in season 1 and then small groups in season 2 that lead to a small knckout round
FrogMan
06-11-2004, 01:40 PM
this two season thing could keep new teams from participating for as long as 32 weeks, and it could also mean that some teams may go inactive from start to finish...
I kind of like the format we had this season.
FM
the_meanstrosity
06-11-2004, 01:48 PM
Frogman,
How would it keep new teams from participating? If a team didn't participate in the qualifying year then they would still have a chance to make the consolation bracket if other teams should quit or even just to fill out the consolation bracket itself. And if they do have to wait they'd only have to wait until the qualifying season meaning they would only miss 1 season not 2.
Exactly, some teams may go inactive from start to finish. So teams on the "waiting list" would then be given an opportunity to take their places while consolation bracket teams would be given an opportunity to move up to the elimination bracket.
The nice thing about splitting the qualifiers and brackets up is that it would allow for a shorter "FOFC cup" each season. Currently we are missing out on quality FOFC teams because they are in international cup play because the FOFC Cup is forced to start early because of the time limitation.
this two season thing could keep new teams from participating for as long as 32 weeks, and it could also mean that some teams may go inactive from start to finish...
I kind of like the format we had this season.
FM
FrogMan
06-11-2004, 01:59 PM
I was just saying that if a new guy gets to FOFC and the qualifying phase has just started, then he won't be able to get in the real cup for another two seasons. Yeah, consolation cup is okay, but it's not the real deal... No biggie either way, I was just stating what I liked best. While the FOFC cup is cool and all, these matches are still friendlies, and I don't value them too much, other than hoping for the injury fairy to stay far, far away from my players in those matches :)
FM
DataKing
06-11-2004, 02:11 PM
While there are advantages and disadvantages to any format, I kind of like the idea of splitting the cup between two seasons. Somewhat akin to the new Hattrick World Cup format, which I like.
How ya doing DK? Sorry about earlier. :)
the_meanstrosity
06-11-2004, 02:34 PM
DK! How are you man?! Please don't tell me ardent knocked you out of the cup.
Havok
06-11-2004, 03:13 PM
DK! How are you man?! Please don't tell me ardent knocked you out of the cup.
it wasn't AE that knocked him out of the cup ;) ;)
DataKing
06-11-2004, 04:07 PM
it wasn't AE that knocked him out of the cup ;) ;)
No...it was the fact that the week the seedings were determined was the week I had a walkover, therefore I got a 2nd seed, which eventually resulted in my removal from the cup.
The Maniacal Misfitz had very little to do with it. ;)
the_meanstrosity
06-11-2004, 04:24 PM
We'll have to do a friendly some time DK. It's been a long time since we played a match.
DataKing
06-11-2004, 04:38 PM
We'll have to do a friendly some time DK. It's been a long time since we played a match.
September 24th, 2003 to be exact. My reserves beat yours, 2-nil. :)
I'm definitely up for another match sometime. We'll have to set something up for next season, once we've both been bounced from the U.S. Open Cup.
finkenst
06-11-2004, 05:11 PM
I was just saying that if a new guy gets to FOFC and the qualifying phase has just started, then he won't be able to get in the real cup for another two seasons. Yeah, consolation cup is okay, but it's not the real deal... No biggie either way, I was just stating what I liked best. While the FOFC cup is cool and all, these matches are still friendlies, and I don't value them too much, other than hoping for the injury fairy to stay far, far away from my players in those matches :)
FM
just don't the NC Raiders in a friendly. :) :) :)
;)
just don't the NC Raiders in a friendly. :) :) :)
;)
I'll have you know I haven't injured anyone in the past two matches.
Airhog
06-11-2004, 05:37 PM
DK: as it stands right now we have 1 week not being used at the end of the season. Alf didnt play in this years cup due to being accepted into a french cup.
I do admit that a few people probably dont join the cup due to when we start. But I think it remains to be seen how many of our top teams would return to playing the cup even if we went to a 2 year format, and didnt start until week 11 or 12.
However, the thought of a 2 year cup does intrigue me. I do agree with frogman that a 2 year cup might be a bit long especially with new teams. we had quite a few teams this season that were new. And most of those teams have a very slim chance of making the elimination round unless all the losers would be allowed to play in the consolation round.
I have to wonder, what reasons people had for not playing in this years cup. It might be surprising to learn the anwser. I think that except for the top 5 or 6 teams at FOFC, very few chose not to participate due to when we started.
the_meanstrosity
06-11-2004, 05:46 PM
DK,
I think your reserves would probably beat my starters at this point, lol.
Airhog,
I participated in the cup this year, but skipped last year for the simple reason of how long the cup takes to complete in one season. I usually play the cup one year and take a break the next year now that the FOFC has so many teams. That's one of the reasons I favor a two year cup. I don't know about anyone else though.
Mr. Wednesday
06-11-2004, 06:29 PM
I have another cup that runs every other season, so I would not be interested in a two-year cup. I've never played in an FOFC Cup before, but if it's only a one-season schedule, I was strongly considering playing this season when my other cup is off.
I have to wonder, what reasons people had for not playing in this years cup. It might be surprising to learn the anwser. I think that except for the top 5 or 6 teams at FOFC, very few chose not to participate due to when we started.
Well, there is life outside of FOFC, though I sometimes refuse to believe it myself.
Some may choose to play in other Fed Cups (DK did that first season or two) such as USCHO and NKOTB. Others may play in a Fed Cup or whatnot in hopes of a free 3 month supporter or some other such prize.
People have reasons. :eek:
Airhog
06-13-2004, 12:56 AM
AE: well i think that i was mostly right about why people choose to not participate in the cup. It had less to do with how the cup was ran, or even the specifics of the cup, and more to do with other reasons.
I think a poll is in order, but im really against the idea of a 2 season cup. I enjoy only having to wait a whole season to participate.
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