Debt ?

[Csmith]

I just upgraded my arena, but that put me past 500k into debt, how long cani stay here before hattrick takes my team from me. I have some players i plan on selling to relieve me of my debt, just need to know how long i can stay where im at before losing my team so i know when i have to sell my guys (would like to get them training this week before selling if i can).

[nickfox45]

im not sure of the exact time but i know its a matter of weeks, so you'd be alright if you sold players after training occurs this week. i do know that hattrick limits the amt of times you can log in when youre that far in debt, so make your logins worthwhile.

debt sucks!

[Masked]

You need to get under 500K debt by Saturday or you will be restricted to 5 logins to get back under 500K of debt. Put one or several players on the market now with low opening bids. You can't risk not having them sell.

If the players are going to pop this week, you can put them on the market now and they will sell after the training update. You can wait until Friday, but will have only 5 logins next week (which is pretty easy to exceed) before your team is locked.

[Csmith]

just wondering, what happens after 5 log ins if my debt doesnt get below (-500k)

[Masked]

just wondering, what happens after 5 log ins if my debt doesnt get below (-500k)
Your team is locked, and you will be replaced with a new owner.

[TargetPractice6]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand what the 5 logins thing accomplishes? If they are going to give people a week to get their team back over -$500k what good does restricitng their number of logins do? That's on about the say level of nonsense as allowing people to hire more than 10 of one specialist when the only time people would do it is if they didn't know not to or if they did it accidentally.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm, maybe worthy of an email to the GMs?

[The_herd]

Am I the only one that doesn't understand what the 5 logins thing accomplishes? If they are going to give people a week to get their team back over -$500k what good does restricitng their number of logins do? That's on about the say level of nonsense as allowing people to hire more than 10 of one specialist when the only time people would do it is if they didn't know not to or if they did it accidentally.


The really crappy thing is, once you get your finances straight, you still only have that number of log-ins until the update. My wife found that out when she ran into a weird situation a few weeks ago. She put a forward on the market and unexpectedly received a bid on him immediately. She then used that money to buy a new keeper before her upcoming league match. The problem was that she made the purchase on Saturday morning, before the econmic updates and her sale didn't go through until late Saturday. So she was somewhere around $800K in debt for a couple hours. But because of the way the economic update fell, she was considered to be in massive debt for the entire week and had 5 log-ins.

Both items you mentioned really need to be reviewed by hattrick. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for it to happen.

[One_to7]

Devil's advocate:

The 5 login rule may have started due to people knowing their team was doomed and they just spent the last week harassing people. It's also in there so that teams can have more than a week to get out. Say you've got a player who's going to pop in 3 weeks. Well, you can make those 5 logins last a while until that happens.

As for teams that have a player sell after an econ update but spend the money before it: HT checks the economy at the weekly update. Checking it every day would just add more strain/stress/load/whatever on the system and make things run slower. They could probably work out some way to make it so just teams that're under 500k get checked daily for the first week, and then just on weekly updates after that. But I doubt it's high on their priority list, and I don't think it really should be, either.

[Mr. Wednesday]

It seems to me that they could take pending transfers into account when doing the weekly solvency check, even though the money hasn't been credited yet.

[TargetPractice6]

Well you do make a good point about stretching the five logins out into several weeks. I had it in my head that you only had 5 logins to get out of debt before the end of the week.

[One_to7]

Oh duh. I just realized something that I was totally overlooking/forgetting. You don't lose your team due to bankruptcy. You lose the ability to log in, and then lose your team due to not signing in for 7 weeks. So without a 5 login rule, bankrupt teams would never die, they'd just continue amassing debt.

Of course, they could just change it so bankrupt teams go poof in a week, but then there's the whole problem of 'my trainee will pop in two weeks, just give me time!' So either system has it's flaws. The current one just inconveniences teams that have sales ending after the econ update, which while annoying, is still just an inconvenience.

And Mr. W has a good point as well. On a related note: Is it possible to fire someone who's on the transfer list?

[rickJ]

And Mr. W has a good point as well. On a related note: Is it possible to fire someone who's on the transfer list? nope.

The login thing seems like it can get pretty annoying, them adding a check on the amount in the paranthesis 3 days after the econ update for bankrupt teams doesn't sound too difficult to add and would solve 95% of the "bankrupt but not really" situations.

[Csmith]

I thought u lost your team for 1 month inactivity not 7 weeks?

[squirrel201]

I thought u lost your team for 1 month inactivity not 7 weeks?
At 5 weeks you get an email reminder to log in, then 2 weeks later you lose your team.

[arahe]

New Question on Debt...

What about under 500k in debt? What then?? Say I am around 200-300k?

[Masked]

New Question on Debt...

What about under 500k in debt? What then?? Say I am around 200-300k?
Depends on how strong your finances are? Do you make a profit over a two week period (i.e. one home, one away game)? If you are pulling in 20K or so even with the interest charges, then you are okay. If you are just bearly breaking even, or losing money, you should to sell someone. If you have a full B-team, start be selling your backups at positions you don't train.

[Raven Hawk]

New Question on Debt...

What about under 500k in debt? What then?? Say I am around 200-300k?
Welcome to the Aksarben Fire! :)

Going 200-300k in debt is not unusual for new players. Just make sure that you have a good training program and a decent sized stadium to make up for the lost money.

Rumor has it that you should hire an economist or two when you get to -300k to reduce interest costs. You don't save much, but if you plan to hover around -300k for awhile, it might be a good idea to get one.

Generally, however, that range of debt isn't too bad.

[arahe]

Welcome to the Aksarben Fire! :)

Going 200-300k in debt is not unusual for new players. Just make sure that you have a good training program and a decent sized stadium to make up for the lost money.

Rumor has it that you should hire an economist or two when you get to -300k to reduce interest costs. You don't save much, but if you plan to hover around -300k for awhile, it might be a good idea to get one.

Generally, however, that range of debt isn't too bad.

I am making money one week (from the sale of 2 players) and losing the next. My arena (to which I owe some debt) is 12500. I am 6th in DivV, but not all that stellar. I have the econs, but not sure what to train, really. My coach already cost me 2 weeks training this season, but am too poor to replace him...

[Raven Hawk]

Coach didn't cost you the training, you cost yourself the training. Check to make sure that you have no more than 10 assistant coaches (assistant + keeper coaches need to total 10 or under).

As far as a training plan is concerned. You need to get one together. A good idea is to see who on your team is young, what their best skills are and start training that for now, since you really can't afford to buy new trainees.

How good is your coach?

[arahe]

Coach didn't cost you the training, you cost yourself the training. Check to make sure that you have no more than 10 assistant coaches (assistant + keeper coaches need to total 10 or under).

As far as a training plan is concerned. You need to get one together. A good idea is to see who on your team is young, what their best skills are and start training that for now, since you really can't afford to buy new trainees.

How good is your coach?

I cost myself the training with the "illegal" formation I tried to run with, but figured that out quickly...the other loss of training still confuses me (but, I guess I will figure it out).

Federico De Angelis (21433188)
55 years, inadequate form, healthy
A inadequate trainer who is fond of attacking
A pleasant guy who is temperamental and honest.
Has excellent experience and solid leadership abilities.

Nationality: Argentina
Total Skill Index (TSI): 0 (0 US$)
Wage: 600 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Aksarben Fire
Warnings: 0


Stamina: disastrous Goaltending: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: poor

[Raven Hawk]

I know that hindsight is 20/20, but you should have gotten a passable coach with worse leadership than the inadquate with solid leadership. Passable coaches train players faster. Leadership, from what I can tell, only helps you hold on to team spirit after a PIC match.

[arahe]

How much of a difference are we talking between passable and inadequate for the training time?

[One_to7]

About 1 week per level. Having a better skilled coach also helps improve form.

[arahe]

About 1 week per level. Having a better skilled coach also helps improve form.

My form is suffering pretty hardcore right now too... grrr :mad:

[daedalus]

I never knew about better skilled coach helping form.

[arahe]

The real question though...

Do I sack the above coach and try for something better this far in the hole?

[bronconick]

No.