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Ksyrup
08-05-2004, 07:28 AM
This is kinda interesting, although I'm not really sure I see what the NFL's beef is - it doesn't sound like you'd be able to send the game "real time" to other people, so doesn't that limit the damage?

Maybe my inability to watch sports that aren't live is coloring my perception of this. I would rather follow along on the radio or internet as the game goes on, than watch the game an hour later. But that's just me.





TiVo users will get to share recorded shows via Internet

By Jennifer C. Kerr
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

<!-- begin body-content -->WASHINGTON - Federal regulators approved technology allowing TiVo subscribers to send copies of recorded shows over the Internet, something Hollywood and major-league sports oppose.

In its Wednesday decision, the Federal Communications Commission said the new TiVo feature has enough protections in place to prevent mass distribution of copyrighted material.

The technology would allow a TiVo subscriber to download broadcasts to a computer and send copies of recorded shows over the Internet to an office or home or to a small circle of friends, as long as they are on the subscriber's registered account.

The Motion Picture Association of America, the National Football League and others complained that the new service would allow the 1.6 million TiVo subscribers to redistribute shows through the Internet to virtually anyone, anywhere.

The NFL is especially worried about the potential for users to beam football games to viewers in blacked-out areas where the games aren't broadcast. The NFL does not allow local broadcasts unless the home team sells out.

The league signaled it may sue over the decision.

"We'll confer with the other concerned parties and take whatever steps are appropriate to protect our interests," NFL spokesman Seth Palansky said.

TiVo's machines let viewers record programs onto a large-capacity hard drive rather than a videocassette, giving viewers many more options. For example, they can watch an earlier part of a show, game or movie while recording later segments.

The technology that TiVo asked the FCC to consider recognizes the so-called "broadcast flag," which the agency approved in late 2003. The flag is an electronic signal that tells digital video recorders to encrypt shows when recording. The encryption prevents widespread distribution over the Internet.

TiVo officials said that means movies and sports broadcasts can't be sent to mass audiences.

"TiVo has always tried to maintain an appropriate balance between consumer interests and the rights of content providers," said Mike Ramsay, CEO of the Alviso, Calif.-based company.

The new technology, which TiVo refers to as "remote access," could be included in a service called TiVoToGo that the company plans to offer this fall. That will let a user transfer recorded shows to a laptop so the subscriber can take the shows on the road. But the TiVoToGo service currently does not allow for Internet sharing, the company said.

Also Wednesday, the FCC approved a number of other proposed technologies from Microsoft, Sony and others that all aim to prevent piracy by recognizing the broadcast flag.

For more on the approved TiVo technology, see the Federal Communications Commission site at www.fcc.gov (http://www.fcc.gov/) and the TiVo site at www.tivo.com/ (http://www.tivo.com/)

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Bee
08-05-2004, 07:34 AM
Movie pirates, hackers and viruses across the world celebrate...

Ksyrup
08-05-2004, 07:36 AM
How do viruses celebrate?

QuikSand
08-05-2004, 07:39 AM
Tremendous potential here. I didn't think that the FCC -- even this FCC -- would give them the thumbs up.

Bee
08-05-2004, 07:40 AM
How do viruses celebrate?

they replicate?

Ksyrup
08-05-2004, 07:46 AM
I just think the idea that someone would refuse to go to a game because they have the option of downloading the game from a friend to watch on their computer, with a lapse in time (not sure how quickly one could send a chunk of the game to someone after it has occurred in real time), to be laughable. And in most places, the game is rebroadcast later for the local audience, isn't it?

Again, maybe I'm putting too much stock in my insistence that I watch sports live, and for others - especially those who might be working during the game anyway - this would be a huge deal. Still, I see the bigger issue to be with the non-sports programs. As I mentioned in the Ali G thread, I'm pretty much wasting my money with an HBO subscription, because the only show I really watch is Curb Your Enthusiasm. If I partner up with a friend who has HBO, he can record these shows for me, legally send them to me, and I've just saved $13 a month.

Bee
08-05-2004, 08:00 AM
I just think the idea that someone would refuse to go to a game because they have the option of downloading the game from a friend to watch on their computer, with a lapse in time (not sure how quickly one could send a chunk of the game to someone after it has occurred in real time), to be laughable. And in most places, the game is rebroadcast later for the local audience, isn't it?

Again, maybe I'm putting too much stock in my insistence that I watch sports live, and for others - especially those who might be working during the game anyway - this would be a huge deal. Still, I see the bigger issue to be with the non-sports programs. As I mentioned in the Ali G thread, I'm pretty much wasting my money with an HBO subscription, because the only show I really watch is Curb Your Enthusiasm. If I partner up with a friend who has HBO, he can record these shows for me, legally send them to me, and I've just saved $13 a month.

Yep. Don't really understand the NFL concern myself.

I could see the movie industry being concerned about DVD & ticket sales and the pay cable stations (like HBO) being concerned about losing subscribers. It will be interesting to see how it works once it gets off the ground.

QuikSand
08-05-2004, 08:03 AM
Doesn't it stand to reason that this might eventually lead to folks "cracking" the file coding system, so they can just convert these files to something that can be easily watched on a computer? Assuming this happens, I have to think a lot of people would dump pay stations like HBO and just steal the programs they want to watch from the internet, like they do with music. You have to think that's coming, regardless.

Bee
08-05-2004, 08:12 AM
Doesn't it stand to reason that this might eventually lead to folks "cracking" the file coding system, so they can just convert these files to something that can be easily watched on a computer? Assuming this happens, I have to think a lot of people would dump pay stations like HBO and just steal the programs they want to watch from the internet, like they do with music. You have to think that's coming, regardless.

It's actually here if you have broadband. I've been working on upgrading my home theater and one of the things I'm going to add is a home theater PC (for DVDs and games). Everytime I talk with someone "in the know" about what I'm doing, they start talking about downloading movies and TV shows. I really don't have much interest in that myself, but it seems to be pretty popular in the home theater community.

Just had a thought, I might have to pick up Doom 3 just to see it on a 92" screen when I get my home theater set up. :D

Easy Mac
08-05-2004, 08:50 AM
I just bought a TV tuner for my computer for like $20. Its the same ones they use in the Microsoft Media PC's, so I have the exact same quality as anyone with one of those. So basically I can record a TV show and do whatever I want with it. The quality is amazing. I just recorded Six Feet Under Last Night, and it looked great.

I think the problem with your theory, Quiksand, is that people aren't going to wait a year for a movie to come on HBO just so they can record it, when the movie has been on DVD for 6 months, and when its 10x easier to just rent the DVD for $4 and burn a copy (very simple, it takes like 10 minutes). Plus, movies on HBO are generally Full Screen, which is a bastardized version of a movie, and they are also grainy.

So if anyone wants last week's 6 Feet Under, let me know.

QuikSand
08-05-2004, 08:54 AM
I stand corrected -- I just don't keep up with all this piracy stuff too well. So out of the loop.

Daimyo
08-05-2004, 09:16 AM
You've been able to download the popular shows like Sorpranos, Six Feet Under, Sex in the City at pretty good, full screen quality for probably three of four years now from p2p services like Kazaa or Sharaza. (I say this as an HBO subscriber) Heck, I remember downloading South Park episodes from web pages in college as much as 6 or 7 years ago (we didn't have cable in dorms).

This service will be amazing if it is cracked. I don't want to distribute anything, but I'd love to be able to transfer shows to my Pocket PC so i could watch them on the train every now and then for the days I I'm too tired to read after work.

Daimyo
08-05-2004, 09:22 AM
DOLA, also my parents have DirecTivo in Indiana so maybe I'd actually be able to watch all the Colts games instead of the handful they decide to show in Chicago. Considering I can't get DirecTv it might be my only option short of moving.

Ksyrup
08-05-2004, 09:31 AM
This service will be amazing if it is cracked. I don't want to distribute anything, but I'd love to be able to transfer shows to my Pocket PC so i could watch them on the train every now and then for the days I I'm too tired to read after work.
As I understand the article, you wouldn't need a crack to do this. The service that's coming out soon will alow you to download to your computer. What everyone is fighting over is the limited ability to share what you've downloaded through the internet. Sharing with yourself is the least of their concerns.

Daimyo
08-05-2004, 09:40 AM
I was assuming that the encryption scheme they mentioned and the thing about having to register people on your account implied that the videos would be in a proprietary format (or at least require a proprietary codec) or at least have a licensing scheme limiting what devices could play them. The further assumption being that due to lack of demand there wouldn't be any push for them to make it compatible with PocketPC devices.

Ksyrup
08-05-2004, 09:44 AM
That could be. The article just specifically mentions laptops.

Easy Mac
08-05-2004, 10:47 PM
Just as an aside, this is a picture I got from using my PC and tuner card. The program I use to watch and record TV has better quality, but it can't take stills, so this is from another program, plus this still was an in motion picture, and copy and pasted into a few programs to get the right format. So I can't see how the FCC could argue against TiVo use since the technology is readily available ($25 at computergeeks and a free Windows based Personal Video Recorder).

gstelmack
08-06-2004, 07:54 AM
Heck, I remember downloading South Park episodes from web pages in college as much as 6 or 7 years ago (we didn't have cable in dorms).
For the record, Comedy Central was putting these up on their own web pages to build popularity for the show. This was not piracy.