Yes NFL fans, its official...

[dacman]

The Chargers are the worst run franchise in the NFL. They're actually TRYING (unlike the Cardinals) and still failing so badly.

The proposed incentives for Rivers' contract?

4 Superbowls and 4 Pro Bowls in 4 years = $5 million
5 Superbowls and 5 Pro Bowls in 5 years = $7.5 million
6 Superbowls and 6 Pro Bowls in 6 years = $10 million

Are you fucking kidding me? And then they pull the "you don't like our offer, well everyone after will be less" tact? TOTAL FUCKING MORONS. And Rivers is the bad guy? UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.

[Franklinnoble]

That can't be right.

[gstelmack]

Where did this information come from?

[Samdari]

It's been reported on the various ESPN radio shows all day.

I am not sure what they are using as their original source, although me suspects Rivers' agent.

[rkmsuf]

What if he sprouts wings and flies? I don't see any incentives for that in there. No wonder Rivers isn't signing.

[Draft Dodger]

if SD wins 6 Superbowls in 6 years, he deserves a lot more than $10,000,000. he deserves to be the Pope

[dacman]

It came from Rivers' agent via a San Diego newspaper reporter who passed it on to ESPN.

[rkmsuf]

if SD wins 6 Superbowls in 6 years, he deserves a lot more than $10,000,000

Yeah, if he only wins 5 I can see just 10 million but 6? Come on, get real. It should be at least 12 million.

[FrogMan]

if SD wins 6 Superbowls in 6 years, he deserves a lot more than $10,000,000
And the manager of the Chargers will have to start playing with a very strict set of house rules...

:D

FM

[KevinNU7]

I thought a player couldn't recieve an incentive that is based on total team performance?

[HornedFrog Purple]

Hell offer him $15 million if he breaks Nolan Ryan's all-time strikeout record in his first 5 seasons.

[Desnudo]

If the Chargers make it to the Super Bowl once in the next six years, he should get 10,000,000.

[rkmsuf]

They should offer him 3 billion if he wins 6 super bowls. Really make it tempting.

[Eaglesfan27]

Absolutely crazy. In that case, I really don't blame Rivers for holding out. Also, I'm suddenly not looking at Eli as the bad guy for his power play.

[Desnudo]

That would be an interesting psychology experiment. Offer the entire Arizona Cardinals roster $1 billion apiece if they win this season's Super Bowl.

[Balldog]

Basically they are asking him to do something no other NFL player has done right from the get go? Oh wow. Even Brett Favre or John Elway in their prime never came close to achieving these incentives.

[Samdari]

Absolutely crazy. In that case, I really don't blame Rivers for holding out. Also, I'm suddenly not looking at Eli as the bad guy for his power play.

If this is indeed true, it certainly makes it seem as though they had a point.

[rkmsuf]

That would be an interesting psychology experiment. Offer the entire Arizona Cardinals roster $1 billion apiece if they win this season's Super Bowl.

It would guarantee they'd win this year and go 53 billion in debt the way the Cardinal world works.

[GrantDawg]

If this is true....

[cthomer5000]

I thought a player couldn't recieve an incentive that is based on total team performance?
Nope, that's only in other (far inferior) pro sports leagues.

[cthomer5000]

The Mannings had a point. Anyone who failed to see it then just isn't trying to see what horrible shape San Diego is in. They've sunk to Arizona level.

[Samdari]

other (far inferior) pro sports leagues.

Aren't other and far inferior synonyms in this case.

Doesn't that make your parenthetic expression redundant, repeating the same idea repeatedly.

[Honolulu Blue]

Basically they are asking him to do something no other NFL player has done right from the get go? Oh wow. Even Brett Favre or John Elway in their prime never came close to achieving these incentives.

Jim Kelly guided the Bills to the Front Office Bowl in 1990-93 and made the Pro Bowl all those years except '93. That's as close as anyone has come.

[KevinNU7]

This doesn't mention the SuperBowl clause but it does show how messed up everyone is being

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1855828

[totoro]

Sort of doesn't make sense. But if it's true, San Diego is insane.

[RainRaven]

I heard about this on the way home on the Dan Patrick Show. IF all of this is true I hope Rivers gets every last dime out of them.

[Desnudo]

This excerpt is from the San Diego newspaper:

"Sexton continued: "In addition, in an apparent attempt to deceive both the public and the media as to the size of the offer, the Chargers have also tendered a 'maximum contract' that has over $22.5 million in an incentive (a pro bowl appearance and Super Bowl title in each of his first six years) that has never been achieved by any player in the history of the NFL, not John Elway, not Terry Bradshaw, not Joe Montana, not Brett Favre. By contrast, Manning, Fitzgerald and Gallery all have incentives that are either easily makeable or at least theoretically possible. We are confused by the Chargers calling it 'a great offer' when such a large amount is impossible to ever achieve.'"

[QuikSand]

Jim Kelly guided the Bills to the Front Office Bowl in 1990-93...

(my emphasis added)



Not looking for a threadjack, really... but I've seen this happen a number of times here -- I think by different people.

Is there some cabal of hardcore FOF players out there who have decided that since they can't change the name of the championship game in FOF, that they will instead just change the name of the real world championship game?

Or is this just a repeating slip of the tongue?

[GrantDawg]

(my emphasis added)



Not looking for a threadjack, really... but I've seen this happen a number of times here -- I think by different people.

Is there some cabal of hardcore FOF players out there who have decided that since they can't change the name of the championship game in FOF, that they will instead just change the name of the real world championship game?

Or is this just a repeating slip of the tongue?
I would guess it is a inside joke pretty much everyone on the board would get. Just a guess...

[Honolulu Blue]

I would guess it is a inside joke pretty much everyone on the board would get. Just a guess...

Right. I've been doing this for awhile, and as far as I know, I'm the only one that does it (then again, I don't read a lot of the threads here).

[Honolulu_Blue]

Right. I've been doing this for awhile, and as far as I know, I'm the only one that does it (then again, I don't read a lot of the threads here).

I've never seen it before either. I like it.

[Franklinnoble]

Anybody else find it wierd when Honolulu Blue and Honolulu_Blue post consecutively in the same thread? I feel like screaming "Don't cross the streams, Ray!"

[Honolulu_Blue]

Anybody else find it wierd when Honolulu Blue and Honolulu_Blue post consecutively in the same thread? I feel like screaming "Don't cross the streams, Ray!"

Eh, what can we say? We like to live on the edge. We're cool like that. :cool:

[Alf]

I would guess it is a inside joke pretty much everyone on the board would get. Just a guess...Just like "asanine"

[Buccaneer]

I still find it amazing that folks here would instantly jump on a rumor just to support their beliefs.

[Grid Iron]

The proposed incentives for Rivers' contract?

4 Superbowls and 4 Pro Bowls in 4 years = $5 million
5 Superbowls and 5 Pro Bowls in 5 years = $7.5 million
6 Superbowls and 6 Pro Bowls in 6 years = $10 million



Those incentives are not related to the $40 million offer the Chargers made. Those are above and beyond the normal, and attainable, incentives included in the base offer. They were added to "pump up" the "total value" of the contract like so many NFL players like to do these days. Unfortunately, Rivers' agent is acting as if those were the only incentives and the only way Rivers could get the full amount on his contract. A total lie, at least according to the San Diego periodicals.

[rkmsuf]

Those incentives are not related to the $40 million offer the Chargers made. Those are above and beyond the normal, and attainable, incentives included in the base offer. They were added to "pump up" the "total value" of the contract like so many NFL players like to do these days. Unfortunately, Rivers' agent is acting as if those were the only incentives and the only way Rivers could get the full amount on his contract. A total lie, at least according to the San Diego periodicals.

to even offer such incentives in the first place makes the SD organization look like morons. why don't they throw in a clause that if he kicks 10 60-yard field goals he gets a 10% stake in ownership. That will pump up the value.

[Yossarian]

Look at it.

Theres no way its 'real'

If as gridiron says, this is somethign tagged on by SD to pump up the 'sum' of the contract then its obviously a point-making tool.

scenario:
Agent wants tonnes of random incentives which are unlikely to be met. He wants this for ego massage and to make his client and his agenty prowess seem better.

SD say "WTF?, hey listen, we'll pay him handsomly but we're not playing stupid games here, we're not going to put clauses in the contract just for ego purposes. If he's never going to achieve the incentive, were not putting it in"

Agent: "well, were not signing unless it LOOKS like one of the biggest rookie contracts ever"

SD: Yeah, but it wont be... because you want incentives he'll never reach. Thats dumb. What kind of asshat wants a clause in he'll never reach just to look good?

Agent: Public perception is everything. You know that. We want our client to recieve the largest rookie contract this side of Chez Manning.

SD: Even if 50% of that contract is basically a farce?

Agent: Yup

SD: Fuck it. If he manages to get to the superbowl and probowl every year we'll give him shitloads of cash. Hows that?

Agent: Don't be assanine.

[Samdari]

Those incentives are not related to the $40 million offer the Chargers made. Those are above and beyond the normal, and attainable, incentives included in the base offer. They were added to "pump up" the "total value" of the contract like so many NFL players like to do these days. Unfortunately, Rivers' agent is acting as if those were the only incentives and the only way Rivers could get the full amount on his contract. A total lie, at least according to the San Diego periodicals.

How do you know?

The Chargers say one thing, Rivers' agent says another. None of us work for either, and none of us have seen the actual proposals, so we have to take both parties' claims and estimate where between them the truth is.

I believe neither side 100%, but lean towards believing that the Chargers are being cheap and ridiculous in negotiations with rookies since their last {infinity} first round draft picks have been late to camp before being given what they were originally asking for.

[QuikSand]

Without any actual knowledge of the situation, I think Yossarian's scenario above might not be far from the mark.

[cthomer5000]

I still find it amazing that folks here would instantly jump on a rumor just to support their beliefs.
Well, there is very little evidence to show that San Diego is not an organization in total disarray. From top-to-bottom it's a terrible organization right now, with a million questions hanging in the air to be settled over the next 1-5 years.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

I just thought of something beautiful. If they piss off Rivers enough and he refuses to sign, he could just reenter the draft next year. San Diego gave up next year's #1. So they would have given up a pile of picks for absolutely nothing!

They should just write off this entire season and trade LT for a running back originally from San Diego who's touring Asia right now... Maybe they could throw in another #1 to Miami in the process...

Damn, I actually feel sorry for Marty...

[dacman]

I just thought of something beautiful. If they piss off Rivers enough and he refuses to sign, he could just reenter the draft next year. San Diego gave up next year's #1

You'd be wrong -- the Giants are the team that gave up next years #1. San Diego will have 2 first rounders next year. Nice thought though.

[GrantDawg]

You'd be wrong -- the Giants are the team that gave up next years #1. San Diego will have 2 first rounders next year. Nice thought though.
Yup, two more suckers whose NFL's dream will be dashed by being picked by the Chargers. The Chargers are quickly becoming the Bengals.

[Leonidas]

Just when I thought Miami had established itself as the team trying hardest to suck...

[RendeR]

Yup, two more suckers whose NFL's dream will be dashed by being picked by the Chargers. The Chargers are quickly becoming the Bengals.


I am OFFENDED sir, the Cincinnati Bengals have NEVER been this pathetic. Yes they had over a decade of losing teams, yes their ownership was at times a penny pinching group of idjits, HOWEVER, compare the last 20 years of both franchises, and the Chargers are FAR FAR worse off than the Bengals. The term I coined for them in an older thread was something along the lines of the South Pacific Train Wreck. The Bengals problem was never what they offered in as much as who they picked and made the offers to. The Organization has always been better than anything the Chargers put together since the mid-80's.


RECANT my friend, I demand a recant.


A far better comparison would be the condition over the last 50 years of the Cardinals Franchise.

*kicks the dirt and acts all miffed that people continue to make innacurate remarks about his beloved Bengals*

[GrantDawg]

I am OFFENDED sir, the Cincinnati Bengals have NEVER been this pathetic. Yes they had over a decade of losing teams, yes their ownership was at times a penny pinching group of idjits, HOWEVER, compare the last 20 years of both franchises, and the Chargers are FAR FAR worse off than the Bengals. The term I coined for them in an older thread was something along the lines of the South Pacific Train Wreck. The Bengals problem was never what they offered in as much as who they picked and made the offers to. The Organization has always been better than anything the Chargers put together since the mid-80's.


RECANT my friend, I demand a recant.


A far better comparison would be the condition over the last 50 years of the Cardinals Franchise.

*kicks the dirt and acts all miffed that people continue to make innacurate remarks about his beloved Bengals*

I stand by my original statement.

[RendeR]

I stand by my original statement.



well....FINE then...be that way..










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[EagleFan]

I just heard that the Chargerschanged their offer. They added a 20 million dollar bonus if he can cure cancer.

Why would they even limit that 6 in 6 bonus to just 10 million. Hell, why not name it like a billion, or trillion for that matter. When it's something that you never have to even worry about paying, the price shouldn't matter.

[Anthony]

Aren't other and far inferior synonyms in this case.

Doesn't that make your parenthetic expression redundant, repeating the same idea repeatedly.

technically no. grammatically, yes. if he was writing this as is it would be incorrect (not redundant - "other" and "far inferior" are two different concepts, as you know redundant deals with similar concepts).

what he was doing was similar to this:

"other [read:'far inferior' ] pro leagues..."

but what he was saying was other leagues don't do it. the fact that they don't do it makes them far inferior.

its akin to me writing this:

"Samdari's (overpriced) awesome car goes fast."

[Anthony]

what does he get if he finds Bin Laden?

[Samdari]

not redundant - "other" and "far inferior" are two different concepts, as you know redundant deals with similar concepts.

I was saying that "other" and "far inferior" ARE the same concept in the context of leagues other than the NFL.

i.e.

Leagues other than the NFL = inferior to the NFL.

It was said half-jokingly, however, you have successfully sucked any joy out of it now.