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GrantDawg
08-20-2004, 08:59 PM
Immigration could keep Heatley from Thrashers

Ive been wondering when this would come up:

By BETH WARREN ([email protected])
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/20/04


Atlanta Thrasher Dany Heatley may face bigger problems than trying to dodge jail time for the car crash that killed teammate Dan Snyder.

His attorneys are concerned that the hockey star could end up inimmigration officials' crosshairs even if prosecutors allow him to plead guilty to a minor charge with no jail time.

Defense attorney Don Samuel said his firm is bringing in an immigration law expert to look at the possibilities in the case.

Heatley, who was born in Germany but is a Canadian citizen, remains out on bond with permission to travel and is set to play in the World Cup of Hockey for Team Canada. He is expected to be in Ottawa today for the beginning of training camp.

If he was deported, it could be crippling to his career. It might cut short his tenure with the Thrashers. Even playing for one of the NHL's six Canadian teams would raise problems, as they play more than one-third of their games in the United States.

Myron Kramer, who teaches immigration law at Georgia State University, said nearly any conviction on a misdemeanor or felony crime could have implications for a non-citizen's ability to remain in or be readmitted to the United States.

Petty offenses, like running a red light or speeding, typically are overlooked. But a host of seemingly minor crimes, like getting caught with a small amount of marijuana, can flag the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, he said.

"It's amazingly complex, and the stakes are so high," said Kramer, who is not involved with Heatley's case. "And the rules change after you thought you were safe."

More than a decade ago, hockey player and Canadian native Bob Probert was ordered deported after his conviction on cocaine smuggling charges. It took the Detroit Red Wings left wing several appeals and four years to secure an INS waiver allowing him to travel freely between the United States and Canada to play hockey.

But waivers aren't usually granted and fewer exceptions are being made after Sept. 11, immigration attorney Marshal Cohen said.

And Heatley's case involves a death. Prosecutors allege he was driving twice the posted speed limit Sept. 29 when he lost control on Lenox Road and crashed. Snyder, who was his passenger, died six days later from his injuries. Heatley had been drinking but was far from legally drunk. Prosecutors secured a grand jury indictment last month charging him with felony vehicular homicide based on recklessness.

"In this case the question probably would be: "Is vehicular homicide considered a crime of violence or moral turpitude?" Cohen said. "It's a very gray issue."

Heatley's arraignment before a judge in Fulton County Superior Court is scheduled for Sept. 16 — two days after the conclusion of the World Cup tournament and two days before the Thrashers are scheduled to begin training camp.

But the hearing will be canceled because Heatley's attorneys are expected to enter a "not guilty" plea in writing beforehand, Samuel said.

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard has not yet indicated he would consider reducing the felony charges. A conviction on a felony charge could bring up to 15 years in prison, while a misdemeanor crime can bring up to one year in jail.

Even if Howard recommends probation, INS officials make their own decisions in determining deportable offenses and don't have to reflect the mercy shown by state prosecutors or judges. Deportation orders can be appealed but aren't usually overturned.

— Staff writer John Manasso contributed to this report.

GrantDawg
08-20-2004, 09:03 PM
A local lady was deported after living 25 years for a minor pot possesion charge she had in the late 70's early 80's. She was married and had kids here. I would think Heatley's charge would almost guarentee he would not be allowed back in the States.

VPI97
08-20-2004, 09:25 PM
More than a decade ago, hockey player and Canadian native Bob Probert was ordered deported after his conviction on cocaine smuggling charges. It took the Detroit Red Wings left wing several appeals and four years to secure an INS waiver allowing him to travel freely between the United States and Canada to play hockey.What did Probert do during those four years? Anyone know?

Chief Rum
08-20-2004, 10:25 PM
What did Probert do during those four years? Anyone know?

He starred in the Hanson Brothers' Travelling Ice Capade.

CR

Karim
08-21-2004, 07:10 AM
What did Probert do during those four years? Anyone know?
My memory is fuzzy but I don't think he ever crossed the border to play against the Canadian teams. He only suited up against the Red Wings' American opponents.

Tekneek
08-21-2004, 07:43 AM
I am surprised that someone, who insisted they were taking full responsibility for their actions, is still maintaining they are innocent of all charges. I don't have a problem with his plea, other than it not being consistent with his own previous statements. I wish people would just refrain from the "taking responsibility" rhetoric when what they really want to do is avoid responsibility for any of it.

The average person has been deported for less, but I still think he will get some star treatment before this is over and get off easier than most of us would.

Easy Mac
08-21-2004, 09:03 AM
Can we send Leonard Little along with him?

Maple Leafs
08-21-2004, 09:39 AM
You know, I love watching Heatley on the ice and he does seem likea genuinely nice kid, but I still haven't quite figured out why we're all supposed to feel sorry for him. If another athelete behaved reclessly and killed someone, we'd call them jerks or worse. But Heatley's some sort of tragic figure. I don't get it.

Draft Dodger
08-21-2004, 10:47 AM
You know, I love watching Heatley on the ice and he does seem likea genuinely nice kid, but I still haven't quite figured out why we're all supposed to feel sorry for him. If another athelete behaved reclessly and killed someone, we'd call them jerks or worse. But Heatley's some sort of tragic figure. I don't get it.

I think it's a few factors.
One, it was his best friend who died, and certainly Heatley not only didn't intend for it to happen, but is extremely remorseful. And yes, I think him being a genuinely nice guy should come into play here somehow.
Two, Snyder's parents - at least publicly - seem to have forgiven Heately and did not want to see him charged. That's pretty important to me.
Three, obviously, he had no business driving like that, but the fact that he wasn't driving drunk is a positive point. and yes, that's a sad commentary on the state of society today.

I HATE when athletes or similar famous people get special treatment in these types of things. I like Heatley as a player, and I'm guessing I'd probably like him as a person, but really it's the factors above that have me pulling for him.

Tekneek
08-21-2004, 11:17 AM
It has always seemed strange to me that we are willing to forgive people for doing stupid stuff while sober more readily than while drunk. It would be easier to understand somebody breaking their Ferrari into pieces while drunk than while sober... Somebody who kills someone and destroys their car while sober makes them seem even more dangerous.

Maple Leafs
08-21-2004, 11:20 AM
I think it's a few factors.
#1 - But what person isn't remorseful after their action have tragic consequences? Everyone feels bad after the damage is done.
#2 - Agreed, it's an important factor.
#3 - Given that he was driving extremely recklessly, and that this was apparently something he did quite regularly, is it really any better than drunk driving? Is getting into your car intendind to drive 80 mph down residential streets really any better than getting into your car drunk?

Tekneek
08-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Is getting into your car intendind to drive 80 mph down residential streets really any better than getting into your car drunk?

To me, it says that even when in full control of his mental facilities, he could not determine that driving in such a manner was a really bad idea. There were quotes in the Canadian papers from his dad saying that he had been concerned about Dany's "need for speed", which demonstrates a pattern of reckless driving. That frightens me more than someone who, after having a few beers, thought it would be a good idea.

Draft Dodger
08-21-2004, 12:28 PM
#1 - But what person isn't remorseful after their action have tragic consequences? Everyone feels bad after the damage is done.
#2 - Agreed, it's an important factor.
#3 - Given that he was driving extremely recklessly, and that this was apparently something he did quite regularly, is it really any better than drunk driving? Is getting into your car intendind to drive 80 mph down residential streets really any better than getting into your car drunk?

just my own opinion. I certainly can see why others wouldn't agree.

Maple Leafs
08-21-2004, 12:30 PM
just my own opinion.I'm not trying to pick on you. Actually, I'd say your opinion is shared by far more folks than would agree with me, which is what I find so strange.

bbor
08-21-2004, 01:18 PM
ML....could it have anything to do with the fact that there are no suggestions at all to the fact this guy was a dickhead before he got into trouble?

Easy Mac
08-21-2004, 01:20 PM
So the rule is, be nice and you can kill whoever you want? Awesome... time to brainwach the teletubbies to do my bidding.

Ryan S
08-21-2004, 03:01 PM
Is getting into your car intendind to drive 80 mph down residential streets really any better than getting into your car drunk?
What was the speed limit on the street where he crashed? I have never seen that reported. 80mph in a 30mph area is hugely different to 80mph in a 60-70mph area.

Maple Leafs
08-21-2004, 03:02 PM
ML....could it have anything to do with the fact that there are no suggestions at all to the fact this guy was a dickhead before he got into trouble?
Sure there are. The guy regularly drove like that on residential streets. Doesn't that make him a dickhead, or worse, in your book?

GrantDawg
08-21-2004, 03:02 PM
What was the speed limit on the street where he crashed? I have never seen that reported. 80mph in a 30mph area is hugely different to 80mph in a 60-70mph area.
He was going faster than 80, and the speed limit was like 35.

GrantDawg
08-21-2004, 03:05 PM
dola: actually between 60-90...


Howard said Heatley was driving between 60 and 90 mph in a 35 mph zone when he crashed his black Ferrari on Lenox Road. The two teammates were headed home at about 10:30 p.m. after a stop at the Tavern restaurant at Phipps Plaza in Buckhead.

Maple Leafs
08-21-2004, 03:06 PM
What was the speed limit on the street where he crashed? I have never seen that reported. 80mph in a 30mph area is hugely different to 80mph in a 60-70mph area.It was a 35-mph zone.

Edit: (As GrantDawg already pointed out...)