Worst Bush Gaffe Ever?

[clintl]

"Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=5&u=/nm/20040907/od_nm/odd_bush_dc

It's amazing what comes out of his mouth sometimes.

[Franklinnoble]

Pix pls

[BishopMVP]

And in the interest of equal time, Kerry's "Everybody told me, 'God, if you're coming to Canonsburg, you've got to find time to go to Toy's, and he'll take care of you,'" Mr. Kerry said, dropping the name of a restaurant his motorcade had passed on the way in. "I understand it's my kind of place, because you don't have to - you know, when they give you the menu, I'm always struggling: Ah, what do you want?

"He just gives you what he's got, right?" Mr. Kerry added, continuing steadily off a gangplank of his own making: "And you don't have to worry, it's whatever he's cooked up that day. And I think that's the way it ought to work, for confused people like me who can't make up our minds."

[sterlingice]

Point goes to clintl. That's not even close, BishopMVP.

SI

[Leonidas]

How about when Kerry was campaigning between Ohio and Michigan a few weeks back, forgot where he was, and said "Go Ohio State" to a Michigan crowd.

[RendeR]

This is a no brainer

Anyone who selects Ashcroft for any job beyond cleaning dogshit off the sidewalk doesn't deserve to hold office.

[sterlingice]

How about when Kerry was campaigning between Ohio and Michigan a few weeks back, forgot where he was, and said "Go Ohio State" to a Michigan crowd.
That, on the other hand, was hillarious. :D

SI

[Buccaneer]

This is a no brainer

Anyone who selects Ashcroft for any job beyond cleaning dogshit off the sidewalk doesn't deserve to hold office.
Probably, but Reno would not have been even qualified to do that.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Probably, but Reno would not have been even qualified to do that.

The sad thing is, even as a straight man, I think Ashcroft would probably still be more visually pleasing in a french maid outfit...

[CamEdwards]

and let's not forget "Lambert Field", okay?

BTW, Render... what's your beef with Ashcroft? I mean, specifically.

[larrymcg421]

I don't know about him, but my big problem with Ashcroft is his pro-segregation tactics as AG of Missouri.

My problem with Cheney is his vote against Nelson Mandela.

My problem with Bush is his trip to Bob Jones University and the underhanded racist campaign against John McCain in South Carolina.

There are certainly more reasons that I dislike this administration, but most of it is simple policy differences. These things I listed above deeply affect me on a personal level. It really pisses me off that none of them seem to really matter to anyone.

Also, before anyone throws back the Robert Byrd thing, I have a problem with him, too.

[Buccaneer]

and let's not forget "Lambert Field", okay?

BTW, Render... what's your beef with Ashcroft? I mean, specifically.
I think it has something to do with that bi-partisan legislation that Congress easily passed and gave to the DoJ to enforce.

[Buddy Grant]

There ought to be limits to freedom.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

I don't know if it's Bush't worst, but it ranks up there!

He's had a few good ones recently...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6375-2004Aug16.html

[stevew]

I thought that when they failed to release Glycerine as a commercial single, that it was their worst gaffe.

[Ksyrup]

Man, that's funny stuff.

Speaking of funny, what's with Kerry's latest slogan:

"W stands for wrong."


Uh, written down, that works, I guess. Spoken, that's like saying, "P stands for phony."

Really, is that the best they can come up with?

Well, that and, "It all comes down to one letter - George W. Bush."

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[CamEdwards]

I don't know about him, but my big problem with Ashcroft is his pro-segregation tactics as AG of Missouri.

My problem with Cheney is his vote against Nelson Mandela.

My problem with Bush is his trip to Bob Jones University and the underhanded racist campaign against John McCain in South Carolina.

There are certainly more reasons that I dislike this administration, but most of it is simple policy differences. These things I listed above deeply affect me on a personal level. It really pisses me off that none of them seem to really matter to anyone.

Also, before anyone throws back the Robert Byrd thing, I have a problem with him, too.

Fair enough. But what do you think of Condoleeza Rice, Rod Paige, Colin Powell, Michael Powell, Larry Thompson, Ralph Boyd, Charles James, and others. Are they just "tokens"?

[stevew]

Kerry is gonna start the "c" is for Cookie rant soon.

[gstelmack]

Kerry is gonna start the "c" is for Cookie rant soon.
C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
Oh C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
Yes C is for cookie, that's good enough for me
Oh Cookie Cookie Cookie starts with C

(the joys of a 19-month old who loves her Sesame Street DVDs)

[PsychoCop]

Kerry: "W stands for Wrong!!!"
Bush: "Heh... my middle initial ain't R!"

[Whar]

confused people like me who can't make up our minds.

This is a misquote, well at least the puncuation is. Kerry was talking about a restraunt with a simple menu when he said

... "confused people like me who can't make up our minds about what we're going to eat"

[clintl]

Fair enough. But what do you think of Condoleeza Rice, Rod Paige, Colin Powell, Michael Powell, Larry Thompson, Ralph Boyd, Charles James, and others. Are they just "tokens"?

Bush is no racist, but he also has shown that he has no reservations about appealing to racists for votes.

[stevew]

Bush is no racist, but he also has shown that he has no reservations about appealing to racists for votes.

Are we talking all racists, or just white racists?

[larrymcg421]

Fair enough. But what do you think of Condoleeza Rice, Rod Paige, Colin Powell, Michael Powell, Larry Thompson, Ralph Boyd, Charles James, and others. Are they just "tokens"?
I don't know all of these individuals, but I'm sure they are very qualilfied for their positions. It doesn't erase anything I said above. It's sort of like when you get offended by a bigot and he defends himself by saying how many black, gay, jewish, etc. friends he has.

[Tex Schramm]

How about when Kerry was campaigning between Ohio and Michigan a few weeks back, forgot where he was, and said "Go Ohio State" to a Michigan crowd.

Go to as many different places in as little time as presidential candidates do, and you'd probably forget where you were a couple of times too...

[gstelmack]

I don't know all of these individuals, but I'm sure they are very qualilfied for their positions. It doesn't erase anything I said above. It's sort of like when you get offended by a bigot and he defends himself by saying how many black, gay, jewish, etc. friends he has.
I always love it when people talk about how bigoted the Republicans are because that they prefer people to be QUALIFIED for their positions instead of just handing benefits over to anyone who demands them...

[clintl]

Are we talking all racists, or just white racists?

I don't think it would do Bush much good to try to appeal to non-white racists, and Karl Rove knows that.

[Noop]

:rolleyes:

[larrymcg421]

I always love it when people talk about how bigoted the Republicans are because that they prefer people to be QUALIFIED for their positions instead of just handing benefits over to anyone who demands them...
Please point out to me where I mentioned anything about affirmative action? If you actually pay attention to the thread, you'll see that I listed specific reasons why I don't like Bush, Cheney, or Ashcroft. None of them had anything to do with affirmative action.

[Glengoyne]

Please point out to me where I mentioned anything about affirmative action? If you actually pay attention to the thread, you'll see that I listed specific reasons why I don't like Bush, Cheney, or Ashcroft. None of them had anything to do with affirmative action.I'm sort of curious what you meant by Ashcroft's pro-segregationist tactics as AG of Missouri. If you are talking about the cross burning case, then I think you might have been a bit mislead by those who opposed his appointment.

[CamEdwards]

sorry if I instigated any of that, Larry. I appreciate your answer.

I don't agree with you, but I appreciate your response. :)

[CamEdwards]

dola:

but what if your "bigot" really does have a lot of black, Jewish, gay, Hispanic, etc. friends?

Is it possible that maybe he's not really a bigot?

[larrymcg421]

I'm sort of curious what you meant by Ashcroft's pro-segregationist tactics as AG of Missouri. If you are talking about the cross burning case, then I think you might have been a bit mislead by those who opposed his appointment.
St. Louis was one of the last areas in the country to be desegregated, and in the early 80s Ashcroft did everything he could to delay integration. I haven't heard about the cross burning case, but don't know much about it. I'm intrigued, though.

[larrymcg421]

dola:

but what if your "bigot" really does have a lot of black, Jewish, gay, Hispanic, etc. friends?

Is it possible that maybe he's not really a bigot?
It's possible, but it's been my experience that bigots love to use that excuse. When someone says the N word and you get offended, they immediately start counting all the black people they know.

I should point out that I don't think Bush is a bigot. But his actions in South Carolina in 2000 really disturb me, and I don't think they can be explained away just because he has a certain number of minorities in his administration.

sorry if I instigated any of that, Larry. I appreciate your answer.

I don't agree with you, but I appreciate your response.
Actually, I was responding to a question that you had asked somebody else, so it's certainly not your fault. Also, if all political discussion on FOFC were this civil, I'd probably take part far more often.

[Glengoyne]

St. Louis was one of the last areas in the country to be desegregated, and in the early 80s Ashcroft did everything he could to delay integration. I haven't heard about the cross burning case, but don't know much about it. I'm intrigued, though.
Should be easy enough to google.
but in summary:
-Guy involved in burning a cross in a black couple's yard.
-All other parties involved cop pleas.
-This guy didn't cut a deal, and his "buddies" testified against him.
-He was convicted
-Justice department wanted to add Arson as a mitigating circumstance, and bump up the sentence.
-Ashcroft was the judge, and asked the Justive Dept. what gave them the authority to do so.
-The Justice Dept. never responded
-Ascroft even called, I believe, a deputy AG in the justice dept to ask what the status was.
-Since he got no response, he issued the sentence without the 5(I think) years for arson tacked on.
-fast forward to his confirmation hearing, where he was painted as a bigot who interfered with and harrassed the Prosecution in the case.

[Axxon]

dola:

but what if your "bigot" really does have a lot of black, Jewish, gay, Hispanic, etc. friends?

Is it possible that maybe he's not really a bigot?

No, I don't think it's possible that he's not a bigot. He's just a particular kind of bigot.

As a light skinned hispanic I see it all the time. I have a very good friend who has black, hispanic etc friends and I do believe he sincerely views all of us as friends BUT

and here's the big but, he's highly bigoted and intolerant of other races, namely blacks. When asked about individuals you get the classic "but he's different" or "he doesn't act black" or something along those lines.

These bigots see an us vs them world and it's perfectly possible for them to see someone they like as having crossed over from being one of "them" to one of "us"; He "doesn't act black."

While these people are far easier to deal with and can be quite fun to deal with as opposed to flat out wear your feelings on your shoulders bigots, I'm still saying they're bigots, just ones who haven't thought it out enough to realize their own hypocrisy.

People like this don't burn crosses though. They don't recognize they are bigots because they have so many of "those" friends; they just wish more of "those" people would act and think like they do.

That's not bigotted?

[gstelmack]

Please point out to me where I mentioned anything about affirmative action? If you actually pay attention to the thread, you'll see that I listed specific reasons why I don't like Bush, Cheney, or Ashcroft. None of them had anything to do with affirmative action.
You called Bush a bigot despite having minorities on his Cabinet. And I did not specifically mention Affirmative Action. My point was more that Republicans are called bigots all the time, despite evidence to the contrary (such as elevating minorities to positions of power).

[RendeR]

and let's not forget "Lambert Field", okay?

BTW, Render... what's your beef with Ashcroft? I mean, specifically.


Specifically? you mean besides the utter and complete shredding of civil liberty and elimination of privacy?

I suppose beyond those two things, not much, oh, he did lose to a dead guy in Missouri, but hey, that shouldn't tell us anything about how people thought of him.

Honestly, I cannot condone placing a man who embodies so little of the ideal of freedom to such a post. This man is a poster child for how to alienate as many social groups as possible under the guise of "protecting"

He's better suited as a WWII nazi than a representative of one of the highest controlling positions in the nation.

I have yet to hear a word from him that is not over dramatized, intentional fear inducing, and completely overblown.

Frankly I can't stand his policies, let alone the man behind them.

[larrymcg421]

You called Bush a bigot despite having minorities on his Cabinet. And I did not specifically mention Affirmative Action. My point was more that Republicans are called bigots all the time, despite evidence to the contrary (such as elevating minorities to positions of power).
And my point was that no matter how many Republicans Bush elevates to positions of power, it doesn't erase what he did in 2000 in South Carolina, it doesn't erase Cheney's vote against Nelson Mandela, and it doesn't erase Ashcroft's pro-segregation tactics as AG of Missouri.

[RendeR]

People of Missouri: "I'm sorry Mr. Aschroft but the dead guy scares us less than YOU."

Robin Williams

[RendeR]

despite evidence to the contrary (such as elevating minorities to positions of power).


You're mistaking not being bigots for being intelligent politicians, how else do they combat the very accusations of bigotry than to find people who agree with them that are from minorities and put them in power. The only person I honestly think they appointed on his merits is Colin Powell, ans anyone claiming Rice is worthy of her position is clueless or seriously uninformed.

[Crapshoot]

I always love it when people talk about how bigoted the Republicans are because that they prefer people to be QUALIFIED for their positions instead of just handing benefits over to anyone who demands them...

Im with you on that, but explain to me how Cheney's support of the Apartheid era South African Government and opposition of Nelson Mandela is about "qualifications"- Im dying to hear this.

[Crapshoot]

dola:

but what if your "bigot" really does have a lot of black, Jewish, gay, Hispanic, etc. friends?

Is it possible that maybe he's not really a bigot?

Im not larry, but I agree with you on this- I dont think there is bigotry involved there. That being said, the support of Bigotry, be it by Cheney, Byrd, Hollings, Miller, Lott, or Thurmond is not something I find excusable.

[Crapshoot]

You're mistaking not being bigots for being intelligent politicians, how else do they combat the very accusations of bigotry than to find people who agree with them that are from minorities and put them in power. The only person I honestly think they appointed on his merits is Colin Powell, ans anyone claiming Rice is worthy of her position is clueless or seriously uninformed.

That's ridiculously unfair- agree with Rice or not, she is one of the leading experts in her field, and was the provost of Stanford- you do not get there by being "unqualified."

[CamEdwards]

You're mistaking not being bigots for being intelligent politicians, how else do they combat the very accusations of bigotry than to find people who agree with them that are from minorities and put them in power. The only person I honestly think they appointed on his merits is Colin Powell, ans anyone claiming Rice is worthy of her position is clueless or seriously uninformed.

So if a politician is accused of bigotry and he or she then nominates minorities to positions of authority, it's simply a case of them trying to prove they're not a bigot?

Whatever.

And I'm curious why you feel Condoleeza Rice is unqualified to be National Security Advisor. Was it her time on the National Security Council? Her time as Special Assistant to the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Her academic credentials? Her lack of service as a politician?

Her qualifications are at least as good, and in my opinion much better than someone like Sandy Berger. They're at least as good as the qualifications of Anthony Lake.

Instead of just empty hyperbole, why don't you tell me why she's not qualified.

[CamEdwards]

Im not larry, but I agree with you on this- I dont think there is bigotry involved there. That being said, the support of Bigotry, be it by Cheney, Byrd, Hollings, Miller, Lott, or Thurmond is not something I find excusable.

dola: don't get me wrong, I don't tolerate bigotry, and I consider myself to be overly sensitive to matters of racial bigotry. I just don't see bigotry among the vast majority of politicians.

[Young Drachma]

I thought that when they failed to release Glycerine as a commercial single, that it was their worst gaffe.


Agreed. Probably one of their best songs, if not the best IMHO.