OT: Lost

[Suicane75]

Anyone watch(ing) this? Seems like a nice mix of human drama and sci fi, didn't think I'd be too interested but it's really captured my attention so far.

[gstelmack]

My wife and I started to watch it while eating a late dinner. When the doctor started to describe his first surgery, we turned it off. Did not go well with dinner...

[Celeval]

Not bad after the first episode. I'd watch it again.

[KWhit]

I'm in so far.

[Swaggs]

I'm in. Seems like a good group of actors if the lead guy doesn't take himself too seriously. The effects were very, very good for television, I thought.

I just hope it doesn't turn into Dinosaur Island or something. I think they could make this into a pretty solid drama, but I'm worried they are going to make it cheesy with whatever "it" is.

[CamEdwards]

It looks to me a like a 2004-style "Land of the Lost". And there's a fine line between keeping us in suspense with "it" and playing us for saps by never revealing what "it" is.

[Dutch]

Well, I couldn't turn it off. It was definately different. I'm going to watch #2 just to see what happens, I have a funny feeling that the best part was the plane crash. I don't know how you keep that level of interest up. We'll see, if I remember to watch it, that is.

[sachmo71]

I enjoyed it. I hope the monster isn't too stupid.

[Swaggs]

I am wondering if there is like a lab or military base because it showed that dog a few times.

[Suicane75]

I am wondering if there is like a lab or military base because it showed that dog a few times.

Maybe its the Island Of Dr Moreau and that large man eating creature is Marlon Brando.

[Raiders Army]

It was okay for a pilot episode. My wife didn't think she could watch it if there were dinosaurs. Does anyone else wonder what the handcuffs were?

[sovereignstar]

This just in:

The next episode needs more skin!

[Suicane75]

I have a feeling that 1 guy was a prisoner and the rocker is an addict of some sort.
And Sov, have no fear, the trailer for next week showed a panty clad castaway.....female.

[cthomer5000]

I'm willing to watch a second episode, which is much more than I can say for most shows. Since wednesday is a dedicated TV night with the girlfriend, I expect I'll be watching the entire season.

Aside from the Dr. character being a little too perfect for the situation, the show has some potential.

[sovereignstar]

.....female.
Oh yeah! You know what I like!!

[cthomer5000]

It looks to me a like a 2004-style "Land of the Lost". And there's a fine line between keeping us in suspense with "it" and playing us for saps by never revealing what "it" is.
I had the exact same take on the show. I don't see how we get past episode 3 without finding out what 'it' is.

[Ksyrup]

My wife taped it. SHe's been dying to see this for quite a while, for some reason.

Speaking of being left on an island, I just saw an ad on TBS for the Gilligan Island reality series. Seriously. "This time it's for real."

[Ksyrup]

I had the exact same take on the show. I don't see how we get past episode 3 without finding out what 'it' is.
Yeah, that was my initial question - this seems better suited as a mini-series than an actual year-by-year series.

[Suicane75]

I'm willing to watch a second episode, which is much more than I can say for most shows. Since wednesday is a dedicated TV night with the girlfriend, I expect I'll be watching the entire season.

Aside from the Dr. character being a little too perfect for the situation, the show has some potential.

I got the sense from him that he's far from perfect, just a hunch though.

[Easy Mac]

dammit, I forgot this was on. Man, Wednesday is like the only day there are shows on I want to watch. Between Lost, Hawaii, and That 70's show, something isn't getting recorded/watched. I have a feeling it is Lost, since Hawaii has me hooked, and 70's takes up less HD space. I can even watch Quintuplets. And lets not forget Family Guy on Comedy Central.

This sucks, because aside from sports and Jeopardy, there's nothing on TV I want to watch the other 5 days (aside from the Simpsons). Thank God The O.C. got moved, or else I'd go insane with my Wednesdays.

[Kodos]

I really enjoyed the pilot. Did anyone else think the sound effects were very Jurassic Parkish? I'm thinking some sort of time warp dinosaur thing.

I love dinosaurs. Especially when they're eating people.

[Suicane75]

I really enjoyed the pilot. Did anyone else think the sound effects were very Jurassic Parkish? I'm thinking some sort of time warp dinosaur thing.

I love dinosaurs. Especially when they're eating people.

Actually the first thing that popped into my mind was King Kong. But Dinosaurs work too. I kept waiting for that 1 cornball moment to turn me off, but it never came.

One other thing, I really like the blend of people, they mixed up the cast without going too nuts, no real "smokin" chicks, just average girls, a fat dude, an asian couple, a black woman and a black father and son and some white people, and they didn't play into sterotypes, except for maybe the overbearing Asian fella.

[Grid Iron]

except for maybe the overbearing Asian fella.

He's up to something. I got a bad feeling about him. . .

[ice4277]

I had the exact same take on the show. I don't see how we get past episode 3 without finding out what 'it' is.
My take on it is that, while we will find out early what this thing is, and probably not be too surprised about it, there will be plenty more where that came from. I think it will be kind of like X-Files, when you find out the truth one thing, that only opens the door to a number of other things that remain a mystery.

I enjoyed the premiere, I thought some of it was predictable (did anybody NOT think the pilot was going to die within five minutes of being found?) but it held my interest nicely. I'm looking forward to next week's episode.

[Raiders Army]

I'm willing to watch a second episode, which is much more than I can say for most shows. Since wednesday is a dedicated TV night with the girlfriend, I expect I'll be watching the entire season.

Aside from the Dr. character being a little too perfect for the situation, the show has some potential.
I said the same thing to my wife. The Dr. character, or "Jack" is a doctor and he knew how to fly? A little too convenient.

In an Entertainment Weekly article, it said that the Hobbit's character (Monaghan?), the rocker, had a hidden drug habit.

Also, that bald dude with the scar creeps me out a little. The whole orange thing was weird.

[cincyreds]

I got the season pass setup on my Tivo just in case.

[rkmsuf]

I'd be so pissed if it was a dinosaur. That's just lame. I though a great line that was missed was one of the character saying "Geez, what is this...Juraasic Park?". I guess real life things don't exist in tv land so the characters can't mention movies or pop culture. If it's not a dinosaur some great dialogue was missed.

I don't see how the creature can be anything but disappointing. I mean what could it be that would make you go WOW. If it's a Predator type thing or alien it's lame.

I'm hoping they've landed on the island of lost Amazon women.

[Raiders Army]

I liked the part where the fat guy says, "Do you think we should clean up the B-O-D-Y-S?"

[gottimd]

Interview with the Creator of the "series" lost. (Press Here (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18187) )

I skimmed through it, and if I can remember it says it isn't a dinosaur, but I could be wrong.

[CamEdwards]

says it's definitely not a dinosaur. My next guess is a yellow lab that can transform into a dinosaur-like creature. :)

BTW, the guy also made it sound like there's a distinct possibility you will not see whatever the hell "it" is throughout the first 13 episodes.

[rkmsuf]

says it's definitely not a dinosaur. My next guess is a yellow lab that can transform into a dinosaur-like creature. :)

BTW, the guy also made it sound like there's a distinct possibility you will not see whatever the hell "it" is throughout the first 13 episodes.

The longer the "it" isn't seen the better "it" had better be. I'm blowing up ABC if in week 14 a T-Rex makes an appearance.

[Frozenrope]

I hope 'it' isn't too ridiculous.

Maybe 'it' is Jack Bauer. Didn't he say he wanted a vacation from his job?

[Samdari]

Its cheesy, but I watched. Now I have to know what happens. Count me in.

Does anyone else find it strange that we now have scripted content on television that is based on reality tv?

[gottimd]

I hope 'it' isn't too ridiculous.

Maybe 'it' is Jack Bauer. Didn't he say he wanted a vacation from his job?

It= Stay Puft Marshmellow man
or
It= Dick Cheney

You decide?

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

Crap! That was yesterday! Damned I was looking forward to watching it too.

[atatange1]

It's got me interested. I don't know how I feel about "it" being a Dinosaur. Any way they go, they walk a fine line between suspence and everyone thinking "how stupid it this" as to what "it" is. But I'll be watching.

[Kodos]

Me, I can't get enough tyrannosaurs. I had to pop in Jurassic Park 3 to watch the T. Rex fight the Spinosaur. Great scene until the damned Spinosaur snaps the T.Rex's neck. :( The T. Rex had been kicking ass up to that point...

[Kodos]

Interview with the Creator of the "series" lost. (Press Here (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=18187) )

I skimmed through it, and if I can remember it says it isn't a dinosaur, but I could be wrong.

Yep. He says no dinosaurs.

[Swaggs]

After checking out that link, I'm a little worried that Lost may be a sci-fi show, which I guess could be good, but not what I expected from it.

So, after reading that interview, I see something else interesting:
AICN: Beyond the plane’s pilot, and discounting flashbacks, will we meet during the first 13 hours any human beings beyond the 48?
DL: I will not comment on whether or not we'll be meeting any other human beings on the island who were NOT on the plane. But I will posit this -- Who's to say we haven't already?

The obvious choice is the guy that looked like he was going to shoot someone in the preview from next week. Tie that in with the handcuffs and you get the idea that he may be a criminal of some kind that was already on the island.

Another question I have is why was Jack laying out in the middle of the forest, while most everyone else was on the beach? Could be a simple answer or it could be significant.

[KevinNU7]

This show left enough questions where I want to watch, but the writing seems so bad and the chance that this "it" could end up being a terrible plot has me not wanting to waste my time.

[rkmsuf]

This show left enough questions where I want to watch, but the writing seems so bad and the chance that this "it" could end up being a terrible plot has me not wanting to waste my time.

They are making a tremedous gamble here. If the "it" isn't spectacular, cans of whoop ass will be opened on ABC.

That to me is the most interesting part. They've roped in many "mainstream"; that is, non sci-fi folk, that a sci-fi "it" could be a failure. I'm having trouble envisioning a satisfying "it" which I guess is half the fun.

[KevinNU7]

That to me is the most interesting part. They've roped in many "mainstream"; that is, non sci-fi folk, that a sci-fi "it" could be a failure. I'm having trouble envisioning a satisfying "it" which I guess is half the fun. I'm going with bio-milatary project gone wrong

[rkmsuf]

hey, that may be a good one.

[Celeval]

Interesting second episode. I'm glad to see the 'twists' aren't things I'm seeing coming, nor are they "too" unbelievable. So far, not bad. Still on for next week.

[Suicane75]

I thought it was a great 2nd episode, they added new twists that sort of evershaowed the big secret from last week. It looks like this is gonna be a new must watch show for me, they really started filling out the characters this week and they did it very well.
BTW, if anyone has any interest in this and hasn't seen 1 or both of the first 2 episodes, ABC is rerunning both of them back to back this Saturday night.

[jamesUMD]

I'm hooked on it too! My only guess is that the guy who had the attitude problem (gun toter) was reading a letter. My guess is that he had a brother and he was killed in Iraq or something which would explain the animosity towards Sayead. I really like it so far.

[Suicane75]

the whole 16 years, polar bear thing really piqued my curiosity.

[Swaggs]

Good show.

I'm with Celeval, I missed a lot of the clues that were there.

***SPOILERS***











I honestly did not consider the prisoner to be Kate. Good twist, and way to leave us hanging by not telling us her backstory. I had figured that the prisoner and the handcuffs were already on the island. Nice shock by having the shrapnel guy be the Marshall. And the polar bear was a nice little shock with a twist.

The Asian couple and the bald man with a "secret" are intriguing me. For whatever reason, I think someone there has to have already been on the island. I thought it was the guy who shot the bear, but he indicated in this episode that he was on the plane. My guess for next week is the bald man.

[cthomer5000]

Aside from a few ridiculous moments, I thought it was a solid episode, and I'm intrigued by the distress message they picked up.

The show has potential, I hope it doesn't let me down.

[sachmo71]

Nice job with the music. That last scene really creeped me out for some reason. Hooked!

[Suicane75]

If i have the time Im gonna watch the reruns on saturday, just to try and catch some of the little things i may have missed. I love how they intersperse the shows with flashbacks to the plane, they have more than enough characters to use that technique for at least the rest of the season.

[CamEdwards]

hmmm... missed tonight's episode. I'll have to try and catch it on Saturday night.

[KWhit]

Good stuff so far. A couple of twists that I didn't see coming.

I'm in.

[Samdari]

Aside from a few ridiculous moments, I thought it was a solid episode, and I'm intrigued by the distress message they picked up.

The show has potential, I hope it doesn't let me down.

I think it is going to get real stupid, real fast. Already has some soap operatic tendencies.

However, the beauty of soap operas is that they leave you wondering what is going to happen next. Count me in for next week.

[atatange1]

I thought the radio message was pretty crazy too. I checked out Lost-tv.com and on the boards a guy left the following message. He translated the message and I think it's very interesting with what was really said.


( i'm french and i wanted to give more informations about the radio message. Indeed, there are some mistakes.

It's not very easy to understand the message, even for a french, but here's what i heard:

"Il est dehors, il est dehors et Brandon a pris les clés..." / "He's outside, he's outside and Brandon took the keys..."

"Veuillez nous aider... ils sont morts, ils sont tous morts" / "Please help us... they 're dead, they're all dead"

"Si qui que ce soit puisse entendre ceci, je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir". The beginning of the sentence is not correct, that's for sure, but it means: "If someone can hear this, i'm gonna try to go to the black rock"

"Ils sont morts, il les a tués, il les a tués tous, je vais essayer d'aller jusqu'au rocher noir". Once again, it's not very correct. We don't say "il les a tués tous" but " il les a tous tués".
Well, it means: "They're dead, he killed them, he killed them all, i'm gonna try to go to the black rock".

When the french girl says "il les a tués", i've translated as "he killed them" but i could have translated as "it killed them" because i don't think it is a person who killed them. In french there's no diference between a person or a animal, we use the same pronoun "il", but in english you can say "it" for a dog for instance.

I hope i helped you out. )

Well, I thought it was interesting enough. Thought you guys might want to check it out.

[heybrad]

So far Lost has been pretty cool but they've set themselves up for a lot of explaining to do. Hopefully they can pull it off.

[kingfc22]

Finally was able to catch up on my Tivo and I am hooked. I love it when a show can have me thinking 1+1=2, but then all of a sudden 1+1=3.

When I first saw the handcuffs I would have bet a lot of money that the chain smoker was going to end up being a criminal of some sort. Boy was I wrong. Can't wait for Wednesday to see what happens when the "Marshall" comes to his senses.

[QuikSand]

Okay... I originally avoided this thread, but now (for the first time) I am actually completely up to date with the show, having caught up on my recorded episodes.

Mrs Q and I watched the pilot, and after about an hour or so, she walked off and gave up. I was close to doing so as well, but kept my recordings and came back to it. Now, I've watched them all -- and I think I'll probably stick around through the season.

I'm not overwhelmed, by any stretch, but I think I've succeeded with the necessary "suspension of disbelief" that is clearly rquired to swallow the premise. With each step, there have been twists and turns, clearly designed to give viewers the "wow" experience. I guess that's fine -- the show has been reasonably interesting on its own, without those many misdirections, I think.

So, I guess I give it about a 6 out of 10... which for network TV, places it pretty high. I'm thinking or it, to myself, as a bit of a guilty pleasure -- I knwo I'm being jerked around a lot, but am basicaly siging up for the ride next week, too, so whose fault is it at this point?

[cthomer5000]

I think the show has (unfortunately) been on a decline since the first two episodes. I'm still enjoying it, but also have pretty much placed it in my 'guilty pleasure' category. It's an alright show, which is generally great for network TV. I can't even recall the last network show I watched before this, and this is now the only TV show i'm watching.

But I can't predict how enthusiastic I'll be about a second season. I thought getting away from the sci-fi element was a mistake... it's just become predominantly a standard drama.

[Raven]

No show this week?

[Cringer]

But I can't predict how enthusiastic I'll be about a second season. I thought getting away from the sci-fi element was a mistake... it's just become predominantly a standard drama.

Uhm, a polar bear on a tropical island, whispering voices in the jungle, the wacko french woman. The nutty hunting senior citizen who couldn't walk before the crash. Where is the french woman getting power from? There are plenty of sci-fi elements at play in this show still.


And no, no new show this week. :(

[cthomer5000]

Uhm, a polar bear on a tropical island, whispering voices in the jungle, the wacko french woman. The nutty hunting senior citizen who couldn't walk before the crash. Where is the french woman getting power from? There are plenty of sci-fi elements at play in this show still.


And no, no new show this week. :(
Ok, aside from last week there were about 5 consecutive episdoes with no new "sci-fi" elements.

I just feel it's become much more drama than it started out to be. Each week is now a "getting to know X" episode.

[Abe Sargent]

Ok, aside from last week there were about 5 consecutive episdoes with no new "sci-fi" elements.

I just feel it's become much more drama than it started out to be. Each week is now a "getting to know X" episode.

You need to introduce all of your characters, do you not? This show has fully fleshed characters, so let's not chide them for that. Fear not, my friend, I think a character or two will change significantly soon.


-Anxiety

[jetpunk2000]

Ok, aside from last week there were about 5 consecutive episdoes with no new "sci-fi" elements.

I just feel it's become much more drama than it started out to be. Each week is now a "getting to know X" episode.

How is that a bad thing? Too many shows on TV just throw characters into situations without really getting to know them. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities to explain away the strange happenings in future episodes. They've left a lot of loose ends so far, and I'm sure they will be revisited.

[damnMikeBrown]

What I really want is to see that girl naked...really...that's all I want...deserted tropical island..clothing is torn & dirty...
dirty dirty clothing...take off that dirty dirty clothing...
ohh, fresh water stream...now bathe...that's it you dirty dirty criminal girl...

[Swaggs]

Tonight's episode had a pretty creepy ending. I don't want to spoil anything, but the whole manifest thing was pretty neat.

***Potential Spoilers***




Do we know how Sayid hurt his league? I have watched all episodes and I thought he got away from the woman without getting hurt. Also, did the French woman say anything about the others on the island?

[Flame Eater]

Yes. The French woman told Sayid that there were "others" on the island; that she could hear them whispering in the trees. When Sayid left the French woman he ran through the jungle. As the show ended (2 episodes ago) the sky clouded over, the wind picked up and Sayid heard the "whispering" in the trees.

[moriarty]

Yes. The French woman told Sayid that there were "others" on the island; that she could hear them whispering in the trees. When Sayid left the French woman he ran through the jungle. As the show ended (2 episodes ago) the sky clouded over, the wind picked up and Sayid heard the "whispering" in the trees.

I think she said something about taking her son too didn't she?

[wade moore]

Hmm..

I had this on TiVO, but as other shows started up, I have shows that have overtaken it in priority...

I gotta say, I'm not that dissapointed... I'd like to see it, but it's pretty far down in my ranking of shows...

[KWhit]

Best network show going, I think.

I liked the ending last night. Creepy.

[rkmsuf]

the endings are always done quite well. I thought last night was dreadfully boring until the last 10 minutes. great show overall.

[sachmo71]

Tonight's episode had a pretty creepy ending. I don't want to spoil anything, but the whole manifest thing was pretty neat.

***Potential Spoilers***




Do we know how Sayid hurt his league? I have watched all episodes and I thought he got away from the woman without getting hurt.


SPOILER!!! (if you are still behind)



When he was initially caught in the snare, the second half of the trap was a tree covered in punji stakes. One of them jabbed him in the leg.

[cthomer5000]

the endings are always done quite well. I thought last night was dreadfully boring until the last 10 minutes. great show overall.
I kind of agree. I think that someone who voluntarily went to a psychic (twice!) would be a little more willing to listen to what they had to say than the girl (Claire i think?) was. From a character perspective, she wasn't making a lot of sense.

[rkmsuf]

and get on a plane based on a guy who she met twice and the prospect of people she didn't know taking her baby.

that whole offshoot of the plot makes zero sense to me. it's kind of annoying now how we've seen backrounds of various people but yet after they fade away from the story.

It's kind of a miracle that such a slow moving tale captures as much interest as it has.

[KWhit]

It's kind of a miracle that such a slow moving tale captures as much interest as it has.
That's part of its appeal (to me at least). I am so tired of the pre-packaged, self-contained stories that last only 1 hour (or 43 minutes or whatever it actually is) like CSI or Law and Order. Those shows are basically the same thing over and over.

I like the fact that we see glimpses of things that will pay off weeks later. Reminds me of how the X-Files mythology shows were. I don't think Lost is quite delivering up to its potential yet, but I think it has a huge upside compared to most shows on TV.

Yes, I do realize that Lost has a "formula" that it follows week-to-week, but the big story arc is what truly makes me enjoy this show.

[rkmsuf]

hopefully the story comes together in a good way. right from the start my fear was of a letdown at the end.

[mgadfly]

I kind of agree. I think that someone who voluntarily went to a psychic (twice!) would be a little more willing to listen to what they had to say than the girl (Claire i think?) was. From a character perspective, she wasn't making a lot of sense.

You must not know any women. ;)

She acted more rationally than my wife, who won't take my advice on any subject, depsite us investing $175,000 into my education, but will insist upon taking the 16 year old clerks advice at our local wallmart on all manners of questions.

I also have a friend whose wife had kitty-acupuncture done on their cat, and a home call costs $500 in the Spokane area if you're wondering, but I wouldn't say that she is exactly open to listening to what others have to say all the time.

[KWhit]

Not to mention the fact that pregnant women are NUTS.

I'd say the episode was perfectly believable.

[moriarty]

She acted more rationally than my wife, who won't take my advice on any subject, depsite us investing $175,000 into my education, but will insist upon taking the 16 year old clerks advice at our local wallmart on all manners of questions.


Oh man, I'm so with you on that one. Despite my education, job, and the fact I'll spend weeks researching purchases (like a new TV), she'll insist on asking and listening to the 18 year old pimply geek at Best Buy. Even worse is that she'll side with him if we disagree.

[moriarty]

Sorry, accidentally posted twice.

[Swaggs]

Anyone know how many episodes are left in the season.

By my count, they still need to do backstory episodes on Michael and Walt (the father and son), Boone and Shannon (the brother and sister), and Hurley. That would give them 3-5 more episodes (they did the Korean couple in one episode, but I guess they could do the man's perspective in another episode). I wonder if they will start repeating and doing second and third backstories on the main characters, introduce new ones, or just go into full on drama for the entire episodes.

[ice4277]

Anyone know how many episodes are left in the season.

By my count, they still need to do backstory episodes on Michael and Walt (the father and son), Boone and Shannon (the brother and sister), and Hurley. That would give them 3-5 more episodes (they did the Korean couple in one episode, but I guess they could do the man's perspective in another episode). I wonder if they will start repeating and doing second and third backstories on the main characters, introduce new ones, or just go into full on drama for the entire episodes.
I think they have to go back again, there are many parts that are still unexplained about a few of the characters. I also think that, at some point down the line, there will be a new 'major' character or two that develop.

[Glengoyne]

What about the hot prisoner chick? They haven't done her backstory have they? I mean beyond the plane.

I'm very interested in what Sayed(sp) will have to say about his experiences with the "others", and I really can't begin to figure out what "they" are all about. Were there more than the one imposter that nabbed Charlie and Claire? Is he super human or did he have friends?

I am in for the season,and I may have to stop considering this a "guilty pleasure" I'm beginning to think it is actually good TV.


Also I loved the realization that the psychic knew the plane was going down, that was cool. I'm guessing the "others" raise the child, and plan to make him evil.

[moriarty]

What about the hot prisoner chick? They haven't done her backstory have they? I mean beyond the plane.


There was the whole farmer thing, but they never explained what she did / why she was on the run.

I think they're going to dangle that one out there for us for a long time. Just like they'll strech out the sexual tension between her and the doc until they finally hook up during sweeps week or something.

[rkmsuf]

Just like they'll strech out the sexual tension between her and the doc until they finally hook up during sweeps week or something.

I'll bet the Kid Rock guy is much better in the ways of the Swartz.

[cthomer5000]

I'll bet the Kid Rock guy is much better in the ways of the Swartz.
So you've been thinking about this?

[rkmsuf]

So you've been thinking about this?

Is that wrong?


Quick somebody get me a Jenna Jamison tape!

[Swaggs]

Well, I read the synopsis for the next episode and it answered my question. It looks like the next episode will be centered on Jack again:

All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues
Survivors wonder why Charlie and the pregnant Claire have been abducted - and by whom - and a search party ventures into the treacherous jungle to try to find and rescue the missing duo. Meanwhile, inner-demons about his father resurface for Jack, and Boone and Locke discover another island mystery.
Original US Airdate: 08 December 2004

It also sounds like there will be a second Kate episode, a Walt episode, and Shannon episode in the next few upcoming shows.

[G-Man]

I have tried to watch this show about 5 times. I get about 3-5 minutes into it and change the channel. My wife watched the pilot episode and said that it was scarry but ok. I watched about 20 minutes of the second episode, including the ending and considered watching again. However try as I might I cannot see the attraction to this story.

I cannot believe that some of you are saying that this is the best show on network TV! 24 is miles ahead. ER, though on it's downside (since season 9) is still far more interesting as are the character developments and stories. Star Trek Enterprise is even far superior! I guess to each his own but I would be surprised if this lasted 2 seasons.

[DeToxRox]

I have tried to watch this show about 5 times. I get about 3-5 minutes into it and change the channel. My wife watched the pilot episode and said that it was scarry but ok. I watched about 20 minutes of the second episode, including the ending and considered watching again. However try as I might I cannot see the attraction to this story.

I cannot believe that some of you are saying that this is the best show on network TV! 24 is miles ahead. ER, though on it's downside (since season 9) is still far more interesting as are the character developments and stories. Star Trek Enterprise is even far superior! I guess to each his own but I would be surprised if this lasted 2 seasons.

agreed with 24, though (not counting HBO) the Shield in my opinion is the best show.

[cthomer5000]

Well, I read the synopsis for the next episode and it answered my question. It looks like the next episode will be centered on Jack again:

All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues
Survivors wonder why Charlie and the pregnant Claire have been abducted - and by whom - and a search party ventures into the treacherous jungle to try to find and rescue the missing duo. Meanwhile, inner-demons about his father resurface for Jack, and Boone and Locke discover another island mystery.
Original US Airdate: 08 December 2004

It also sounds like there will be a second Kate episode, a Walt episode, and Shannon episode in the next few upcoming shows.
There are some spoilers for a future episode (or two or three?) in the most recent Entertainment magazine. As soon as I realized I was reading spoliers I skipped ahead a number of paragraphs. But there is info there on events that haven't aired yet (stuff that didn't air last night either).

[Glengoyne]

I have tried to watch this show about 5 times. I get about 3-5 minutes into it and change the channel. My wife watched the pilot episode and said that it was scarry but ok. I watched about 20 minutes of the second episode, including the ending and considered watching again. However try as I might I cannot see the attraction to this story.

I cannot believe that some of you are saying that this is the best show on network TV! 24 is miles ahead. ER, though on it's downside (since season 9) is still far more interesting as are the character developments and stories. Star Trek Enterprise is even far superior! I guess to each his own but I would be surprised if this lasted 2 seasons.
I don't know if anyone has said best on TV. I said it was good TV.

That Said. ER!?!?! E Freaking R!!!?

What the hell?! That show hasn't even been watchable in years.

As for 24, the first year was great. The second, much less so in my opinion. I still watched, but at times I cringed as characters and the plot did really silly things.

[cthomer5000]

However try as I might I cannot see the attraction to this story.Two things that set it apart, and are probably the entire interest for me:

- It's got a sci-fi layer to it that sets it apart from a most dramas

- Now the show is basically working on dual timelines, giving us the present and the past simultaneously


I thought the show started off great (first 2 episodes) but has settled into "good." As long as it can keep me interested in finding out what the deal with the island is, I'll keep watching. If the show starts sucking to the point that I don't care anymore, I'm out.

It seems like the show would naturally be best if it runs 2-3 seasons total.

[moriarty]

Star Trek Enterprise is even far superior! .


Oooh, so close but you had to discredit yourself there at the last minute.

[sachmo71]

Last seasons 24 = slow death


having said that, I'll probably watch this new season. :(

[Swaggs]

For me, a lot fo the appeal for Lost just is due to me having a light TV schedule and its time slotting, because the only show I was watching religiously is Survivor. My wife likes the Apprentice, the O.C. and North Shore, so I generally watch them as well, but Survivor and now Lost are the only shows I will watch without doing other things (computer, reading, etc).

The pilot of Lost really snagged me because I'm a sucker for the whole "isolated from the world as we know it" theme (ie: The Stand, Swan Song, Lucifer's Hammer). I guess I like the idea of alternate reality via science fiction, rather than fantasy. The episodes are often slow in developing, but most weeks I am pretty happy that I have stuck around until the end. Last night's episode and the one where Locke's secret is revealed were two that seemed like they would be disappointing, but turned out to be very good once everything came together at the end.

[mgadfly]

For me, a lot fo the appeal for Lost just is due to me having a light TV schedule and its time slotting, because the only show I was watching religiously is Survivor. My wife likes the Apprentice, the O.C. and North Shore, so I generally watch them as well, but Survivor and now Lost are the only shows I will watch without doing other things (computer, reading, etc).

The pilot of Lost really snagged me because I'm a sucker for the whole "isolated from the world as we know it" theme (ie: The Stand, Swan Song, Lucifer's Hammer). I guess I like the idea of alternate reality via science fiction, rather than fantasy. The episodes are often slow in developing, but most weeks I am pretty happy that I have stuck around until the end. Last night's episode and the one where Locke's secret is revealed were two that seemed like they would be disappointing, but turned out to be very good once everything came together at the end.

I agree. I really like stories like The Stand and Swan Song so Lost hooked me pretty well. The pilot was as good or better than most movies and the episodes since have been better than most television (especially dramas) shows that have aired lately. I was hooked by 24 the first season but gave up during the second season.

I think the biggest problem with Lost is that it is so slow to develop (both over the course of the season and within each episode). Probably two or three years ago I wouldn't have had the patience for it, so I can see why people might dislike it, but I have to say that I find it a lot better than some of the shows that are often mentioned as the best shows on television (ER, hah! NBC was so 90s.) ;)

[ice4277]

Last seasons 24 = slow death


having said that, I'll probably watch this new season. :(
I heard that Kiefer Sutherland's character is the only returning regular from last season. If that is true, it will be interesting to see how they pull it off, and if ratings stay around the same.

[ice4277]

dola

The only network shows I really have any interest in watching week-in, week-out are 24, Lost, and Enterprise. Toss in the occasional Law and Order and CSI.

[Easy Mac]

They almost killed off the fucking hobbit!!!

You kind of new they wouldn't do it, but it went on for so long... and seeing him hanging there, it just felt like I got punched in the gut... Definitely the biggest emotional event I've ever felt from a TV show. But damn, this is by far the best hour on TV.

[cthomer5000]

no episode next week is crap though... WTF.

[Easy Mac]

They don't want to lose viewers over the holiday season. Works for me, because I've missed a couple of episodes.

[Swaggs]

Again, a big ending this week.

Something is definitely up with the kid. In that one episode, he was reading a comic book and saw a polar bear and then a polar bear appeared. Then, when his dad told him he'd look for the dog when it stopped raining, it stopped raining immediately. And tonight, the dice rolls. He's got something funky going on.

[duckman]

Damn it. I missed this week's episode. :(

[Samdari]

They almost killed off the fucking hobbit!!!

You kind of new they wouldn't do it, but it went on for so long... and seeing him hanging there, it just felt like I got punched in the gut... Definitely the biggest emotional event I've ever felt from a TV show. But damn, this is by far the best hour on TV.

I agreed with you for the two minutes that he was 'dead'. Then they took the cheesy Hollywood route and had him spring back to life. They had a chance to do something truly original (hy Hollywood standards) and blew it.

Sigh. Still, I am hooked.

[rkmsuf]

They almost killed off the fucking hobbit!!!

You kind of new they wouldn't do it, but it went on for so long... and seeing him hanging there, it just felt like I got punched in the gut... Definitely the biggest emotional event I've ever felt from a TV show. But damn, this is by far the best hour on TV.

That was really, really well done. I found myself saying first, "no the hobbit guy can't be dead" and then "well, maybe he is dead...an unexpected twist" and then "whew, he's alive."

Wow, great scene and I'm not usually a sucker for that type of stuff.

[rkmsuf]

no episode next week is crap though... WTF.

Might be cool to watch the first two episodes again and look for stuff you missed based on the story you now know. At least that's how it's being billed.

[John Galt]

Again, a big ending this week.

Something is definitely up with the kid. In that one episode, he was reading a comic book and saw a polar bear and then a polar bear appeared. Then, when his dad told him he'd look for the dog when it stopped raining, it stopped raining immediately. And tonight, the dice rolls. He's got something funky going on.

I think there is a lot of wish fulfillment going on with other characters as well. You have Locke walking again and being the outdoor hunter type he always wanted to be. You have Jack finding his father again. Even mundane events like finding fresh water were pretty happenstance. Finding the guitar was another example. I'm sure there are more, but I think that the strange wish fulfillment events extend beyond the kid.

[sachmo71]

I think there is a lot of wish fulfillment going on with other characters as well. You have Locke walking again and being the outdoor hunter type he always wanted to be. You have Jack finding his father again. Even mundane events like finding fresh water were pretty happenstance. Finding the guitar was another example. I'm sure there are more, but I think that the strange wish fulfillment events extend beyond the kid.


Nice. I hadn't even thought of that.

[Swaggs]

Might be cool to watch the first two episodes again and look for stuff you missed based on the story you now know. At least that's how it's being billed.

Look for Locke's wheelchair. :) I noticed them using it to move things a few times in the earlier episodes and thought something might be up with it, but was definitely thrown in the Locke episode. I think that is my favorite, so far. I watched it twice, because my wife missed it the first time, and he was seated or laying in bed in every scene up to that point, and I totally missed it. I thought he was going to be the bad guy or villan, but he has turned into one of my favorite characters.

[KWhit]

Look for Locke's wheelchair. :) I noticed them using it to move things a few times in the earlier episodes and thought something might be up with it, but was definitely thrown in the Locke episode. I think that is my favorite, so far. I watched it twice, because my wife missed it the first time, and he was seated or laying in bed in every scene up to that point, and I totally missed it. I thought he was going to be the bad guy or villan, but he has turned into one of my favorite characters.
Agreed. That was a great episode. That had the best 'twist' yet. And I had no idea that it was coming.

[gstelmack]

I think there is a lot of wish fulfillment going on with other characters as well. You have Locke walking again and being the outdoor hunter type he always wanted to be. You have Jack finding his father again. Even mundane events like finding fresh water were pretty happenstance. Finding the guitar was another example. I'm sure there are more, but I think that the strange wish fulfillment events extend beyond the kid.
If this turns out to be "Sphere on an island", I'm going to be glad I don't have a lot of time to watch it (although I am having fun following the rough story in the reports in this thread).

[Swaggs]

Charlie hanging there was one of the more dramatic TV moments I have ever seen. Even though they bill it as an ensemble cast, I guess I kind of consider Jack, Kate, and Charlie to be the stars of the show, so I did not expect anything to happen to any of them in the first season. I went from "Holy Crap," to thinking he would catch a breath when we least expect it, to "Crap, they really killed him off." My wife, who is in medicine, was not impressed with the CPR performed. :)

It is kind of cool that they don't always put all of the characters in all of the episodes. I didn't see Claire, Sun, or Jin last night. They are doing some different things in this show, which is always welcome.

[rkmsuf]

Kate has small boobies.

[John Galt]

If this turns out to be "Sphere on an island", I'm going to be glad I don't have a lot of time to watch it (although I am having fun following the rough story in the reports in this thread).

It's funny - of all of Chrichton's books, I liked Sphere the best. I thought it was the one he ended well. Of course, I seem to be in the extreme minority in that viewpoint.

I think it will be many years before we know what is "really" going on with the island. It will be more X-File like in revealing only parts of the mystery (and I'm not sure the writers will ever have a coherent theory). Ending the mystery too early would spell doom for the series.

[John Galt]

Look for Locke's wheelchair. :) I noticed them using it to move things a few times in the earlier episodes and thought something might be up with it, but was definitely thrown in the Locke episode. I think that is my favorite, so far. I watched it twice, because my wife missed it the first time, and he was seated or laying in bed in every scene up to that point, and I totally missed it. I thought he was going to be the bad guy or villan, but he has turned into one of my favorite characters.

Locke is a great character and his background story was probably my favorite episode. The phone sex call was so sad and funny at the same time. I loved it in the last episode when he actually said his job in the "real world," but wasn't believed.

[Samdari]

I think it will be many years before we know what is "really" going on with the island. It will be more X-File like in revealing only parts of the mystery (and I'm not sure the writers will ever have a coherent theory). Ending the mystery too early would spell doom for the series.

I have heard that the series was only supposed to last one year. If that is true, I imagine they must be scrambling to rewrite and possibly reshoot the rest of the series leaving less of the mystery revealed this season.

[Pyser]

I have heard that the series was only supposed to last one year. If that is true, I imagine they must be scrambling to rewrite and possibly reshoot the rest of the series leaving less of the mystery revealed this season.

24 was only supposed to last one year, too...


i'm hooked on this show, dont know why. i like that i missed probably 5 episodes, but since every episode is basically devoted to one persons backstory, you dont really miss much, since the island plot develops very slowly.

can someone fill me in as to why the blonde dude is so mad at the guy who got taken prisoner by the french woman? i missed that. though they kind of seemed to make up last night, anyway.

[KWhit]

Hmmm... The Iraqi tortured him (Sawyer is his name) because everyone thought he had some asthma medicine that the bitchy sister (I can't remember her name) needed.

Sawyer was being an ass, making everyone think he had the medicine but wouldn't give it to her. So Charlie and the Iraqi tied him up and turtured him to make him give it to them.

[Swaggs]

24 was only supposed to last one year, too...


i'm hooked on this show, dont know why. i like that i missed probably 5 episodes, but since every episode is basically devoted to one persons backstory, you dont really miss much, since the island plot develops very slowly.

can someone fill me in as to why the blonde dude is so mad at the guy who got taken prisoner by the french woman? i missed that. though they kind of seemed to make up last night, anyway.

The blonde guy (Sawyer) horded all the medicine from the plane wreckage and one of the girls had an asthma (sp?) attack, but he wouldn't give up any of the medicine. Jack and Sayid (the prisoner) tortured Sawyer and it ended up that he didn't have the asthma medicine anyway--he was just kind of being a dick and wouldn't help either way. Sayid felt bad because he had been an interrogator in Iraq and hated it, so he left the camp.

[KWhit]

Beat ya.

[John Galt]

Beat ya.

With the way the board has been operating lately, do we really know whose post was first? I think Swaggs beat you. ;)

[Pyser]

gotcha. that sawyer guy is weird. dont know what to make of him.

thanks.

[rkmsuf]

I don't think sawyer ends up the villian he has been portrayed as so far. Just a hunch.

[damnMikeBrown]

Still want Kate naked...show must stay true to it's roots!

[Easy Mac]

Charlie hanging there was one of the more dramatic TV moments I have ever seen. Even though they bill it as an ensemble cast, I guess I kind of consider Jack, Kate, and Charlie to be the stars of the show, so I did not expect anything to happen to any of them in the first season. I went from "Holy Crap," to thinking he would catch a breath when we least expect it, to "Crap, they really killed him off." My wife, who is in medicine, was not impressed with the CPR performed. :)
I had actually heard Jack was supposed to have been killed instead of the pilot in episode 1, but that execs liked him and so he stayed (hell, it may have been this thread I heard this, I'm too tired to fact check.)

As to someone else said, I had actually heard there were storylines done up through season 4, but maybe this is like the Matrix, where after its successful they say it was always a trilogy.

Is the black guy gay and I missed it? The little kid said he had 2 dads, but it wasn't followed by an awkward "divorced, stepfather" pause, but my an awkward, he has "2 dads" pause.

And does everyone else want to call Jack - Charlie from the party of 5 days?

[John Galt]

I had actually heard Jack was supposed to have been killed instead of the pilot in episode 1, but that execs liked him and so he stayed (hell, it may have been this thread I heard this, I'm too tired to fact check.)

As to someone else said, I had actually heard there were storylines done up through season 4, but maybe this is like the Matrix, where after its successful they say it was always a trilogy.

Is the black guy gay and I missed it? The little kid said he had 2 dads, but it wasn't followed by an awkward "divorced, stepfather" pause, but my an awkward, he has "2 dads" pause.

And does everyone else want to call Jack - Charlie from the party of 5 days?

My understanding is that the father on the island was estranged in some way which is why he and the kid are so awkward together (and the kid doesn't like him so much).

[Samdari]

Is the black guy gay and I missed it? The little kid said he had 2 dads, but it wasn't followed by an awkward "divorced, stepfather" pause, but my an awkward, he has "2 dads" pause.

The guy and his kid were on the plane because the kid was living with his mother (and apparently stepfather) in Australia. The mother (and perhaps new husband) is dead, and black dude went to Australia to pick him up.

[KWhit]

And does everyone else want to call Jack - Charlie from the party of 5 days?
Dang! I did that in a post above - not because I watched Party of 5 but because my wife did and she always calls him Charlie. I didn't even realize that wasn't really his name for 2-3 weeks of shows.

[Raven]

I'm still watching the show religously, but damn it I want some answers!

Last nights show was nice because they went back and revealed more info on Jack's relationship with his father. Hopefully next week (err, in two weeks), they will tell me more about Kate's arrest. I'd rather them explain that than to introduce some "new tribe of bad guys". That seems like it's headed in a lame direction.

I was drawn to the show, like Swaggs said, because of the man vs. nature story. Survivor meets Robinson Crusoe type thing. I think the thing that makes this show special is that it keeps you wondering from week to week, and unlike most TV, it is a continuing story.

I'm interested in watching the first two episodes over next week, they've peaked my interest with the whole "see the little details that you missed the first time around", but I have a feeling they are over-hyping it, and I'll be dissapointed.

Either way, I came in to the show expecting it to be one season long, not several. I hope they don't try to drag this out for several seasons, or if they do, I hope they actually give us some definitive answers to our questions before this season ends.

[moriarty]

It is kind of cool that they don't always put all of the characters in all of the episodes. I didn't see Claire, Sun, or Jin last night. They are doing some different things in this show, which is always welcome.

This is kind of sadistic, but I was a little disappointed Charlie didn't die off last episode. When we thought he passed away, my first thought was 'wow, any show thats' willing to kill off one of the stars mid season really keeps you guessing'. I was a little let down by the matrix-y return to life thing. But maybe it fits with the whole wish fulfillment deal.

Based on the ratings I don't think there's anyway they kill this after one season (despite what they planned).

My Tivo cut off before the end - did they show previews or just show that they were replaying the first episodes?

[John Galt]

This is kind of sadistic, but I was a little disappointed Charlie didn't die off last episode. When we thought he passed away, my first thought was 'wow, any show thats' willing to kill off one of the stars mid season really keeps you guessing'. I was a little let down by the matrix-y return to life thing. But maybe it fits with the whole wish fulfillment deal.

Based on the ratings I don't think there's anyway they kill this after one season (despite what they planned).

My Tivo cut off before the end - did they show previews or just show that they were replaying the first episodes?

Just showed that they will be replaying.

[KWhit]

This is kind of sadistic, but I was a little disappointed Charlie didn't die off last episode. When we thought he passed away, my first thought was 'wow, any show thats' willing to kill off one of the stars mid season really keeps you guessing'. I was a little let down by the matrix-y return to life thing. But maybe it fits with the whole wish fulfillment deal.
I agree. It would have been awesome had they killed him off (and not hyped it with constant promos of "one of the survivors dies tonight").

Could you imagine the kind of buzz that would have surrounded the show if they were able to drop that bomb? Their ratings would have gone through the roof.

[KWhit]

I've had a few people mention that they lose the very ending when they TIVO it. I think you need to add a minute or two to the time for this show (evidently the network is letting it bleed over into the next hour).

[Pyser]

so whats in the box?

[moriarty]

so whats in the box?

Whatever they wish it to be.

My guess is that it's some relic either from the shipwreck (of the French Woman) or the plane/boat/whatever brought the 'others' to the island.

[Swaggs]

If they do it for too long, they will have to kill off the kid or he is going to visibly age.

[cthomer5000]

It's funny - of all of Chrichton's books, I liked Sphere the best. I thought it was the one he ended well. Of course, I seem to be in the extreme minority in that viewpoint.
great book, bad movie.

[cthomer5000]

I don't think sawyer ends up the villian he has been portrayed as so far. Just a hunch.
He's just got some sort of persecution complex. He does his best to make everyone hate him, which is kind of annoying.

[Kodos]

I had actually heard Jack was supposed to have been killed instead of the pilot in episode 1, but that execs liked him and so he stayed (hell, it may have been this thread I heard this, I'm too tired to fact check.)


I read in Entertainment Weekly or one of my wife's magazines that the pilot is some guy who always appears in the producer's shows/movies, or something like that. I doubt they would have planned to kill Jack, since he is probably the most well-known actor on the show.

I was kinda annoyed by the coming-back-to-life thing too, but I can forgive it. I thought they were going to kill the red-shirt guy instead in an homage to Star Trek.

[Kodos]

I also hope they get back to the sci-fi stuff about whatever pulled the pilot out of the plane, and whatever was making the roaring noises and rustling the trees in the pilot episode.

[Suicane75]

I believe i read in TV Guide that indeed the Jack character was supposed to die very early on. I think that after it was cast was when the decision to let him live was made as the dude is just too damn good.

Sadly I havnt seen an epidsode since the 4th or 5th one. I'm gonna have to wait for reruns cause it's too late to jump back in now.

[Pyser]

its really not, though. as you know, half of every episode is backstory on a specific person...so youve probably missed very little. plus, its not like 24 where you miss 2 episodes, and youre screwed. its a fairly easy show to pick up.

[judicial clerk]

Ethan Kicked Jack's ass. But i don't understand why Ethan didn't just kill jack instead of warning him to "stop following me."