Should Gays be allowed to teach?

[Easy Mac]

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This has become the "issue" of the moment here in SC. (R) Jim Demint, who is running for the US Senate, said in a televised debate against his Dem. counterpart that homosexuals should not be allowed to teach in public schools. What are your thoughts on this? Should gays be allowed to teach in public schools?

I know that things similar to this are often used to rally the troops, but how could saying this possibly help a campaign? I can understand saying you're against gay marriage, but how is banning gays from teaching helping anything? He qualified it as "openly gay," but should it really matter? I know I had at least 2 or 3 gay teachers, and none of them tried to "convert" anyone. If anything, the teachers open themselves up to more ridicule if they are openly gay.

No, I don't think everyone believes that gays should or shouldn't teach, or that its only a Republican thing, I'm just wondering if you think it matters? I know my girlfriend said she doesn't want homosexuals teaching her kids, but she also wants to send them to Catholic school (good luck not having a gay teacher there). She said if they went to public school, she doesn't care.

Note: In other news from earlier in the week, DeMint's director of operations inadvertantly sent an email to the head of the Rainbow League in which the director referred to her as a "dike"

[Schmidty]

Are they citizens? Are they teaching others to BE gay?

My answer would be: Duh. Of course they should be able to teach.

[Schmidty]

I know my girlfriend said she doesn't want homosexuals teaching her kids, but she also wants to send them to Catholic school (good luck not having a gay teacher there).

By the way, nice job insulting/trolling Catholics (which I am not).

[Joe]

as long as they don't teach my sons how to give blow jobs in sex ed, its ok by me

[Bomber]

If you don't want you're kids being taught by gays you'd better not send them to college.

[klayman]

as long as they don't teach my sons how to give blow jobs in sex ed, its ok by me
What if they taught your daughters how to do it?

[Easy Mac]

By the way, nice job insulting/trolling Catholics (which I am not).


And I am

[Joe]

What if they taught your daughters how to do it?

they learned that long ago

[Sharpieman]

hxxp://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/politics/9829635.htm

This has become the "issue" of the moment here in SC. (R) Jim Demint, who is running for the US Senate, said in a televised debate against his Dem. counterpart that homosexuals should not be allowed to teach in public schools. What are your thoughts on this? Should gays be allowed to teach in public schools?

I know that things similar to this are often used to rally the troops, but how could saying this possibly help a campaign? I can understand saying you're against gay marriage, but how is banning gays from teaching helping anything? He qualified it as "openly gay," but should it really matter? I know I had at least 2 or 3 gay teachers, and none of them tried to "convert" anyone. If anything, the teachers open themselves up to more ridicule if they are openly gay.

No, I don't think everyone believes that gays should or shouldn't teach, or that its only a Republican thing, I'm just wondering if you think it matters? I know my girlfriend said she doesn't want homosexuals teaching her kids, but she also wants to send them to Catholic school (good luck not having a gay teacher there). She said if they went to public school, she doesn't care.

Note: In other news from earlier in the week, DeMint's director of operations inadvertantly sent an email to the head of the Rainbow League in which the director referred to her as a "dike"
Just goes to show you how backward things are in SC. Its ridiculous, sadly, it looks like right now Demint will probably win the election. Personally, I don't like the sound of an ignorant person being a Senator.

[Ben E Lou]

I know that things similar to this are often used to rally the troops, but how could saying this possibly help a campaign?I believe that "fearmongering" would be the word here.

[Schmidty]

And I am

Congrats.



From your posts, you really seem to be practicing.

[MJ4H]

Should Gays be allowed to teach?


yes.

[Crapshoot]

Seriously- Homophobic idiots. Then again- this is the boondocks..

[Schmidty]

By the way, I'm Irish.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Depends what class. My fav teacher in H.S. was gay (not open, but you could tell.) He was the music teacher. I only had him in one class, but we got along real well. Cool cat. Now if he was teaching gym class it would have been a whole different story. And who wants a gay shop teacher?

[Crapshoot]

Depends what class. My fav teacher in H.S. was gay (not open, but you could tell.) He was the music teacher. I only had him in one class, but we got along real well. Cool cat. Now if he was teaching gym class it would have been a whole different story. And who wants a gay shop teacher?

you are being sarcastic, right ?

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Who me? Sarcastic??? :D

[Crapshoot]

Sorry- I've seen some idiots here who believe stuff like that.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Still, I couldn't have imagined the gay music teacher conducting the shop class. My old shop teacher was perfically fit for the role. Typical old jar-head Marine. Had a kid take a swing at him and had the kid against the wall by the throat!

But I still don't want gay teachers preaching to the kids about their lifestyle. Hell, I don't want the straight teachers preaching their lifestyle. Just teach the little bastards as best you can and shut the fuck up.

[Blackadar]

Should gays be "allowed" to teach?

Sounds like moreso than Demint should be allowed to run for office. What a shitbag.

[Glengoyne]

I know my girlfriend said she doesn't want homosexuals teaching her kids, but she also wants to send them to Catholic school (good luck not having a gay teacher there).
Paging John Galt!

[finkenst]

But I still don't want gay teachers preaching to the kids about their lifestyle. Hell, I don't want the straight teachers preaching their lifestyle. Just teach the little bastards as best you can and shut the fuck up.
i couldn't have said it any better.

I know my girlfriend said she doesn't want homosexuals teaching her kids, but she also wants to send them to Catholic school (good luck not having a gay teacher there). She said if they went to public school, she doesn't care.
Wait... If her kids went to public school then she wouldn't care if the teachers were homosexual but if they attended catholic schools she would?

And nice poke at Catholics. I attended Catholic schools growing up and thank god since the Dayton Public School system sucked between 1978->1990.

I will say that it was interesting listening to Brother Ed talk about prom night about don't get carried away, yadda yadda yadda. Sex and all that, don't you know.


as BJ&TL said, I want teachers there to teach not talk about their lifestyles...

[Huckleberry]

As long as attractive 20-something pedophile heterosexual females are allowed to continue teaching, I think this board will be alright.

[Leonidas]

I share many views of Republicans, but it's crap like this that always reminds me why I never register as one.

[finkenst]

something just occurred to me.....

when i was in grade/high school, you only really knew if the female teachers were married or not (miss, mrs., sr, etc).

[Brillig]

my girlfriend said she doesn't want homosexuals teaching her kids
I'd be more concerned about what your girlfriend is teaching her kids.

[judicial clerk]

Among the first places the Nazis raided when they took power in 1933 was the Institute of Sexual Sciences in Berlin. The founder, Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld, a homosexual himself, happened to be in Paris at the time and stayed there.

Homosexual organizations in Germany were dissolved. Bars and other gathering places were closed and uniformed police were stationed outside.

Heinrich Himmler, who headed Hitler's police forces, put the number of homosexual men at 2 million. He was mostly concerned because they did not help increase the population of Germans as a master race.

"We must be absolutely clear," he once said, "that if we continue to have this burden in Germany, without being able to fight it, then that is the end of Germany, and the end of the Germanic world."

The year after Hitler came to power he staged a raid on the headquarters of the brown-shirted Storm Troopers, the Nazis' paramilitary wing. It was headed by Ernest Roehm, widely known as a homosexual. Roehm and other leaders were summarily shot.

The year after that, the Nazis broadened a 60-year- old law outlawing male homosexuality. That was the widely known Paragraph 175 of the penal code, a number that homosexual inmates at concentration camps were compelled to wear on their shirts along with the pink triangle.

Though lesbians were punished under other pretexts, they were not mentioned in the law. In Nazi concept, all women were naturally inclined to motherhood.

After the German surrender in 1945 some homosexuals freed from concentration camps were returned to serve out sentences in West German prisons.

In 1969, Paragraph 175 was revised to decriminalize homosexual relations between men over 21. The law was repealed in 1994 and this year the German parliament pardoned homosexuals convicted by the Nazis under it.

More than 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals during Hitler's 12 years in power. About half served prison terms, and between 5,000 and 15,000 were placed in concentration camps, the Holocaust Museum calculates.

"Nazi Germany did not seek to exterminate all homosexuals," says the exhibition text. "Nevertheless, the Nazi state through active persecution, attempted to terrorize German homosexuals into sexual and social conformity, leaving thousands dead and shattering the lives of many more." By Carl Hartman, Associated Press.

[oliegirl]

But I still don't want gay teachers preaching to the kids about their lifestyle. Hell, I don't want the straight teachers preaching their lifestyle. Just teach the little bastards as best you can and shut the fuck up.

I don't even understand this comment...why would you even say something like this? Do you assume that straight teachers are in class preaching about the straight lifestyle just in case their is a possibly gay kid in their class they can recruit to the other side? IF a teacher, gay or straight, was doing this, the issue would be whether or not that person was fit to be a teacher. Sexual orientation shouldn't come into it. If the person, man or woman, gay or straight, is a good teacher, then that is all that matters. I don't care what they do at home, as long as they do a good job when they are on the job.

[ISiddiqui]

As to the original question:

Why the Hell not? It's sad that the question even has to be asked!

[Shkspr]

By the way, I'm Irish.

I'm not going to kiss you.

[Crapshoot]

I'm not going to kiss you.

And if this candidate had his way- you wouldnt be allowed to in school. Goddamnit- its an assault on our rights not to be able to kiss Schmidty! :D

[kcchief19]

I know I had gay teachers in my life and I'm sure I had a few who were gay I didn't know were. None of them ever tried to hit on me or "make me gay."

Of course, we had a male teacher in my high school who nailed a couple of girls in the school. Whoever said being gay means you can't keep your hands to yourself? Let's talk to Mary Kay Letourneau about that one.

The logic that you shouldn't have gay teachers would lead me to believe that men should not be allowed to teach girls and women should not be allowed to teach boys. I guess if you believe that, I'll let you have some credibility on the gay teacher question and not assume you are a fearmonger as SkyDog noted.

[finkenst]

I don't even understand this comment...why would you even say something like this? Do you assume that straight teachers are in class preaching about the straight lifestyle just in case their is a possibly gay kid in their class they can recruit to the other side? IF a teacher, gay or straight, was doing this, the issue would be whether or not that person was fit to be a teacher. Sexual orientation shouldn't come into it. If the person, man or woman, gay or straight, is a good teacher, then that is all that matters. I don't care what they do at home, as long as they do a good job when they are on the job.Oliegirl,

I believe that is exactly what BJ&TL is saying. And it is certainly my feeling on the matter.

[Johnny93g]

yes, gays should be allowed to teach....cant believe this is an issue

[Dutch]

Should gays be allowed to have anal sex on the desk in front of their students.

The question isn't whether gays should be able to do anything or not. You bet they can.

The question is should they have some federally backed right to flaunt it while heterosexuals can't?

BTW, shouldn't homosexuals be called "really bitchy and uptight" vs. "gay". They have been very anal about things lately.

[SFL Cat]

Damn, Dutch....that was funny!

[Crapshoot]

Should gays be allowed to have anal sex on the desk in front of their students.

The question isn't whether gays should be able to do anything or not. You bet they can.

The question is should they have some federally backed right to flaunt it while heterosexuals can't?

BTW, shouldn't homosexuals be called "really bitchy and uptight" vs. "gay". They have been very anal about things lately.

wtf? A teacher who kisses her husband is flaunting her hetrosexuality= should we stop them from any personal contact ?
Everyone who's gay and doesnt hide it is "Flaunting" it ?

[SFL Cat]

^^^ In this case, I would say yes.

[Crapshoot]

^^^ In this case, I would say yes.

say yes to what ?

[Dutch]

wtf? A teacher who kisses her husband is flaunting her hetrosexuality= should we stop them from any personal contact ?
Everyone who's gay and doesnt hide it is "Flaunting" it ?

I don't think homosexuality is something children need to see in schools. But I did say "anal" where the penis penetrates a man's buttocks hole. I wouldn't call that kissing.

[Dutch]

Damn, Dutch....that was funny!

I figured I would get slammed, because homosexuality is not something we should be so gay about.

[Crapshoot]

I don't think homosexuality is something children need to see in schools.

Homophobia and teaching "evolution" apparently is fair game. a teacher's relationships are his/her business- you want to restrict their relationships ?

[SFL Cat]

I would say that any display of homosexual behavior in school *edit* on the part of an adult *edit* (particularly elementary school) would be inappropriate.

[Dutch]

Children not being exposed to men kissing is not homophobia. Although, if two guys start "doing it in the butt" in front of my kids, I don't give a damn what you think, somebody's getting they ass whupped. :) There is no place for it in the school. And no place for heterosexual teachers to be kissing either. Get a grip! These are learning institutions here, not "Days of Our Lives!"

[Crapshoot]

Children not being exposed to men kissing is not homophobia. Although, if two guys start "doing it in the butt" in front of my kids, I don't give a damn what you think, somebody's getting they ass whupped. :) There is no place for it in the school. And no place for heterosexual teachers to be kissing either. Get a grip! These are learning institutions here, not "Days of Our Lives!"

wtf? you are comparing a couple in a relationship kissing to sexual acts in front of kids ? the only justifiable reason for any such bullshit is if you tell teachers that they can't kiss their significant other- male or female.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

Oliegirl,

I believe that is exactly what BJ&TL is saying. And it is certainly my feeling on the matter.

Exactly.

The debate really isn't about whether gay teachers should be teaching our children. The debate is should gay teachers be open about their lifestyle with our children. To that, I say no. I don't want to know of the straight teacher is taking viagra, has a swing in the bedroom, likes spanking, etc. I don't think that teachers should be teaching about sex and lifestyles at all. If a kid has a question and asks for advice it is one thing. If a teacher comes in talking about to the kids about his wife or his "husband" I believe they crossed the line.

I'm a straight man who has had a gay roommate. I have worked with a number of gay people. Hell, I was on a gay bowling league! (I wasn't the best bowler, but I sure beat the guy who screamed like a sissy when he'd drop the ball in the lane and run!) I've known gay men and lesbians who you would sit next to and never know that they were gay unless they told you. I have also known some who couldn't wait to tell you that they were gay and what random person they slept with the night before. The former I have no problem with teaching my child. The latter... hell no.

As long as someone is professional and wants to teach the children the lessons in the books, let 'em teach. If someone wants to come into the school and make their lifestyle an issue I don't want them there. If you fire a straight teacher who's talking about their sex life with students it is considered the right thing to do. If you fire a gay teacher who is talking about their sex life, you have a discrimination lawsuit on your hands.

[Crapshoot]

Big John- I agree completely. My issue is with Dutch and SFL- who think two heterosexual adults kissing goodybe is fine- but 2 homosexual adults doing it is "flaunting". That homophobia-.

[SFL Cat]

I would say since 90-97% of the couples in this nation (depending on whose stats you believe) are heterosexual, I would say that is the norm for most children. However, I tend to agree with Big John -- all displays of adult sexuality isn't appropriate for young children.

[Sharpieman]

Exactly.

The debate really isn't about whether gay teachers should be teaching our children. The debate is should gay teachers be open about their lifestyle with our children. To that, I say no. I don't want to know of the straight teacher is taking viagra, has a swing in the bedroom, likes spanking, etc. I don't think that teachers should be teaching about sex and lifestyles at all. If a kid has a question and asks for advice it is one thing. If a teacher comes in talking about to the kids about his wife or his "husband" I believe they crossed the line.

I'm a straight man who has had a gay roommate. I have worked with a number of gay people. Hell, I was on a gay bowling league! (I wasn't the best bowler, but I sure beat the guy who screamed like a sissy when he'd drop the ball in the lane and run!) I've known gay men and lesbians who you would sit next to and never know that they were gay unless they told you. I have also known some who couldn't wait to tell you that they were gay and what random person they slept with the night before. The former I have no problem with teaching my child. The latter... hell no.

As long as someone is professional and wants to teach the children the lessons in the books, let 'em teach. If someone wants to come into the school and make their lifestyle an issue I don't want them there. If you fire a straight teacher who's talking about their sex life with students it is considered the right thing to do. If you fire a gay teacher who is talking about their sex life, you have a discrimination lawsuit on your hands.
So, you would have a problem with a gay person teaching sex ed?

[stkelly52]

Exactly.

The debate really isn't about whether gay teachers should be teaching our children. The debate is should gay teachers be open about their lifestyle with our children. To that, I say no. I don't want to know of the straight teacher is taking viagra, has a swing in the bedroom, likes spanking, etc. I don't think that teachers should be teaching about sex and lifestyles at all. If a kid has a question and asks for advice it is one thing. If a teacher comes in talking about to the kids about his wife or his "husband" I believe they crossed the line.

The problem with this is that people talk about their lives. during the five minute breaks between classes, during lunch, or after school kids occasionally ask the teachers questions like "what did you do this weekend?" is he allowed to answer, "I hung out with my husband and just watched some TV."

[Dutch]

Big John- I agree completely. My issue is with Dutch and SFL- who think two heterosexual adults kissing goodybe is fine- but 2 homosexual adults doing it is "flaunting". That homophobia-.

You saw what you wanted to see. I can't argue with your made up arguments. Re-read what I said. This response of yours was just to get a shot in by calling those who don't agree with you a homophobe.

[John Galt]

You saw what you wanted to see. I can't argue with your made up arguments. Re-read what I said. This response of yours was just to get a shot in by calling those who don't agree with you a homophobe.

Dutch, you have truly hit a new low in this thread. Did anyone argue that gays should be able to have anal sex on the desks in front of kids? What does it have to do with any of this?

If you actually are interested in a discussion on the issue (which you rarely seem to be), then why not address the actual issue?

[digamma]

You saw what you wanted to see. I can't argue with your made up arguments. Re-read what I said. This response of yours was just to get a shot in by calling those who don't agree with you a homophobe.
I'm not sure if it is homophobia or just bigotry or maybe just trolling, but I'd argue that you interjected comments about teachers having "anal sex in front of their students" or "doing it in the butt" unnecessarily into what was a pretty reasonable discussion. Add to that your snide remarks about being "really bitchy and uptight" and "anal" about things lately, and I'd say Aadik has a bit more of a case than you simply disagreeing with him.

Maybe you were attempting sarcasm, in which case it wasn't, and isn't, funny.

[Jesse_Ewiak]

Now, he's saying pregnant, single woman with live-in boyfriends (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/06/south.carolina.ap/index.html). I think someones jealous everyone else is getting some.

[BigJohn&TheLions]

So, you would have a problem with a gay person teaching sex ed?

Why is there a sex ed class in the first place? It is pretty much the one thing that kids can figure out on their own. Parents need to be parents and teach their kids about responsibility. When I was in school there was no sex ed class. These kids today don't seem to be getting less pregnant because of sex ed...

[Dutch]

Dutch, you have truly hit a new low in this thread. Did anyone argue that gays should be able to have anal sex on the desks in front of kids? What does it have to do with any of this?

If you actually are interested in a discussion on the issue (which you rarely seem to be), then why not address the actual issue?

John,

You told me I couldn't get any worse in the last homosexual thread. What gives? :)

[Dutch]

I'm not sure if it is homophobia or just bigotry or maybe just trolling, but I'd argue that you interjected comments about teachers having "anal sex in front of their students" or "doing it in the butt" unnecessarily into what was a pretty reasonable discussion. Add to that your snide remarks about being "really bitchy and uptight" and "anal" about things lately, and I'd say Aadik has a bit more of a case than you simply disagreeing with him.

Maybe you were attempting sarcasm, in which case it wasn't, and isn't, funny.

It was all said quite in jest.

BTW, what is homophobia and, how do you get it (by birth or social enviroment) and how is it "cured"?

[Glengoyne]

Dutch,... Did anyone argue that gays should be able to have anal sex on the desks in front of kids?


I think we should change the subject of this thread to "Straw men fucking"

[Sharpieman]

Why is there a sex ed class in the first place? It is pretty much the one thing that kids can figure out on their own. Parents need to be parents and teach their kids about responsibility. When I was in school there was no sex ed class. These kids today don't seem to be getting less pregnant because of sex ed...
Sex ed isn't just for making kids not have sex. Its more about teaching kids about deadly diseases and viral infections and how to protect themselves from those diseases. Its an important issue, people need to know about how you get certain infections or deadly diseases.

[Blackadar]

It was all said quite in jest.

BTW, what is homophobia and, how do you get it (by birth or social enviroment) and how is it "cured"?

I don't know. After reading your remarks in this thread, I thought you might be able to tell us. I wonder how a discussion about whether gay people should be allowed to teach somehow morphs in your mind to two men ass fucking in front of children.

[Sharpieman]

It was all said quite in jest.

BTW, what is homophobia and, how do you get it (by birth or social enviroment) and how is it "cured"?
There are several different definitions. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men and behavior based on those feelings. Also, it can be defined as prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality. How is it cured? Breaking down the barriers of ignorance and creating tolerance of ones behavior or belief. It's not a disease, its a opinion created by the social environment.

[ISiddiqui]

Sex ed isn't just for making kids not have sex. Its more about teaching kids about deadly diseases and viral infections and how to protect themselves from those diseases. Its an important issue, people need to know about how you get certain infections or deadly diseases.

Yep, especially when your parents are embarrassed about the whole thing and won't talk to you about it (ie, MY parents).

[Dutch]

There are several different definitions. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men and behavior based on those feelings.

Also, it can be defined as prejudice against (fear or dislike of) homosexual people and homosexuality.

How is it cured? Breaking down the barriers of ignorance and creating tolerance of ones behavior or belief. It's not a disease, its a opinion created by the social environment.

I don't think the first one pertains to me. I do not have a fear of homosexuals or their behaviour.

The second one is pretty accurate. While again, I have to disagree with the "fear" definition and I reject the notion of being prejudice (or better yet--having a dislike) of homosexual people, (Sorry, but that's never been the case throughout my life,) I definately have a prejudice (dislike) of homosexuality.

But that confuses me, because if you like homosexuality, you would be a homosexual. No? If you do not like homosexuality, you would not be a homosexual. Right?

And those who have a hatred towards the man or woman that is homosexual, I would agree that they could be cured of that, by better understanding what homosexuality is and that homosexuals do not have a choice, they are born with homosexual tendencies and feelings.

[GrantDawg]

Part 3 of "why I'm leaving the Republican party." Or should I write a book about the party leaving me?

[Crapshoot]

But that confuses me, because if you like homosexuality, you would be a homosexual. No? If you do not like homosexuality, you would not be a homosexual. Right?


Wow. I dont quite know what to say to someone who thinks like this.

[Dutch]

It's not my definition I'm questioning. If you think the defintion is wrong, perhaps you have a better definition?

[Sharpieman]

It's not my definition I'm questioning. If you think the defintion is wrong, perhaps you have a better definition?
I took the definition right out of the dictionary, so I don't know. I think your spliting hairs there when you say you have no dislike of homosexuals but you have a dislike of homosexuality. BTW, to answer your question, no your wrong. Its not like someone LIKES homosexual behavior, they just tolerate it, or accept it. If your straight, you don't have to dislike homosexual behavior either, you can accept it and tolerate the fact that people are different from you.

[cartman]

I hope everyone watched South Park tonight. This exact thing was "discussed".

[Dutch]

I took the definition right out of the dictionary, so I don't know. I think your spliting hairs there when you say you have no dislike of homosexuals but you have a dislike of homosexuality. BTW, to answer your question, no your wrong. Its not like someone LIKES homosexual behavior, they just tolerate it, or accept it. If your straight, you don't have to dislike homosexual behavior either, you can accept it and tolerate the fact that people are different from you.

Sharpieman,

I don't think the defintion of homosexuals and homosexuality is synonymous. I dislike country music, but not a person who enjoys country music, for instance.

Anyway, it's late and I'm off to bed. I've caused enough ruckus in this months homosexuality thread (thanks Easy Mac). If I have offended anyone with my goofiness earlier, I didn't mean to hurt anybody's feelings.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Why is there a sex ed class in the first place? It is pretty much the one thing that kids can figure out on their own. Parents need to be parents and teach their kids about responsibility. When I was in school there was no sex ed class. These kids today don't seem to be getting less pregnant because of sex ed...

I had sex ed class in my school. I'm 30 and we had it in 4th grade or so, if I recall. This was even in Texas. I think it is and has been pretty standard for many years. As for kids today not getting less pregnant, that's a whole nother issue.