Sale of Trainees?

[MikeVic]

I just had two 20-year-old defender trainees hit outstanding. When does everyone usually sell a trainee? Would you wait until you had EXTRA people? So once I have 4 outstandings, sell the next one and buy another trainee?

[Mr. Wednesday]

It depends on your plan. My plan, when training keepers, was that when I decided to sell the primary trainee, I would take a little bit of a hit at that position and drop back to my secondary trainee. How well that works depends on where your secondary trainees are sitting. Typically, you'll be shifting value from an excess in one skill (defending, in your case) into other areas where you're deficient.

[Hobbes-]

well it all depends where your team is.. and where your backups are. You want your backup to be able to move up to the starting position and not be too LOW nor be too HIGH. You also do not want the area you are training to be the best area by far on the field. If you listed the general ability of your positions I could be of more help.

example (my situation: I train midfield):

Keeper: 12
Defenders: 10,10,9
Middies: 14,13,12,11,10,7 (starters + trainees)
Wingers: 16, 8
Strikers: 12,11

As you can see my midfield will soon be too strong for the rest of my team, which is why I will be selling my top midfielder sometime after the cup and before next season. My current 4th trainee could also start now anyday so my team would not take a big hit by selling my 1st trainee. If my 4th and 5th trainees were say level 8 and 9.. then I would either need to hold onto my 1st guy or buy someone partially trained.

I'm sure I confused you more than you wanted. Just list your team in a simple format like I just did mine and I'd be happy to help you out.

-Hobbes

[MikeVic]

Are the numbers you listed the stars they get??

I'll post my team later tonight or tomorrow. Seems like my backups can come in and start... while the rest of my positions are at least a full star behind my defense.

[damnMikeBrown]

He just assigned numbers to the skill level, HAM style.

Solid=7
Excellent=8
Formidable=9
Outstanding=10
Brilliant=11
Mag=12

[Mr. Wednesday]

well it all depends where your team is.. and where your backups are. You want your backup to be able to move up to the starting position and not be too LOW nor be too HIGH.I agree with this...

You also do not want the area you are training to be the best area by far on the field....but not this, depending on how you define "by far". After selling my keeper trainee, the backup is magnificent, which actually isn't the best skill on the team now that I've spent some of the money, but prior to that it was still the highest skill level on the team by two levels (over two outstanding middies and an outstanding forward).

Although I held onto the former keeper longer than I would have liked, I don't think the current situation is a problem and I very easily could have put all of the money I received into more outstanding players, since I have several positions that could use that kind of upgrade. I have a definite reason for continuing to train a keeper this good: when he comes out of the oven (probably about at the end of next season), I'd kinda like to switch training, so I want him to be good enough to last me for a long time.

[Hobbes-]

I suppose what I said is slightly different for keeper trainers becuase you only have 2 trainees rather than a whole batch. It's a waste to have a team of all outstandings.. and have 10 defenders at WC or above.. that's all I was talking about :p

[finkenst]

example (my situation: I train midfield):

Keeper: 12
Defenders: 10,10,9
Middies: 14,13,12,11,10,7 (starters + trainees)
Wingers: 16, 8
Strikers: 12,11

i'm promoting back to div IV (iv.14).

I train midfielders like you. here's my current team:

keeper: 10, 6 (yp/FF)
defenders: 9, 7, 6 (times 5, original, too old yp's (19, late season), and one is future coach excelent/solid)
middies: 12, 12, 10, 9, 8, 8: age to be in season 25: 22, 21,20,18,19,19
wingers: 7 (3), 6 (3). two of the 7s are level 8 middies.
strikers: 12/5, 7/5 (2), 7/6 (also solid pm, passable defense), 6/3 (also passable defense)


The 22y middie will be 13 mid-season at the same time the 18y 9 should get to 10, i'm thinking i should sell the 22y at 13 (world-class) and probably the 21yo depending on how i'm doing in the league (or still in cup http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif) when he pops (~week 9).

the question that comes to my mind is where to upgrade next?

tia,

tim

[damnMikeBrown]

Fink,

You have an obvious need of a defender...formidable would be a HUGE increase for you and around $1m I think.

Wings are not good, and they're super cheap. Some level of investment there, because they will grow some what better with 50% training in time. No reason not to spend some coin there.

You also, obviously, need another striker. Again, formidable would be a big upgrade.

I think you could get all that done if you sold the world class guy, easily. Plus, factor in the moderate sales of the now superfluous solid striker, passable defender, and both those wingers (the exc pm ones will fetch you some coin).

You could make some HUGE strides if you chose to do so.

[Hobbes-]

DMB.. I was thinking about finks situation before, I suggested getting an outs striker and an outs defender.. but going a level down would also let him upgrade the wingers.. either way.. I think u need to sell the 22y guy at WC and upgrade a few spots :)

[bronconick]

Training scoring, I'm switching over to an assembly line setup, where I should have one trainee at 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22. I'm about three seasons away from completely reaching that. I'll be selling the 22 year olds at their first pop each season, and replacing with a 17 year old. That way, the 19 year old is more then ready to take over the 3rd starting job on the team, with a decent drop off, but my attack with the 22 year old should be more then enough to take the hit.

[Mr. Wednesday]

FWIW, I wouldn't consider a solid striker superfluous in this sort of situation. I'd assume he's past training, so I shouldn't think he'd be worth more than $200k; at that price, he doesn't provide enough value that you could finance an upgrade with him, and he would have value as a backup. That's around the level I'm planning to hold as my backups.

[damnMikeBrown]

Well, he has 3 solid strikers if I'm reading his report correctly, and one Magnificent. I wouldn't advise midfield trainer to hold on to 5 strikers, with 3 being nearly identical back-ups.

[finkenst]

Fink,

You have an obvious need of a defender...formidable would be a HUGE increase for you and around $1m I think.

You also, obviously, need another striker. Again, formidable would be a big upgrade.
no disagreements here...

I think you could get all that done if you sold the world class guy, easily. Plus, factor in the moderate sales of the now superfluous solid striker, passable defender, and both those wingers (the exc pm ones will fetch you some coin).
Those two wingers (exc pm/solid wing) are currently 18 yo, about to be 19 and are two of my trainees listed above.

Well, he has 3 solid strikers if I'm reading his report correctly, and one Magnificent. I wouldn't advise midfield trainer to hold on to 5 strikers, with 3 being nearly identical back-ups.
I have one magnificent scorer and 3 solids (2 with inad passing, 1 with passable). THe solid/passable also has solid PM and passable defense. He was a 19yo YP with solid scoring and passable pm/defense/passing. One of those guys you can plug in anywhere in an emergency which is how he got to solid PM. (the to-be 21yo got +4 a while back)

The two solid/inads I will probably sell and pray for at least $200k total. Maybe i should do that now, that'd get to be ~700k or so...

I think, in no particular order, is at least a formidable defender and a formidable scorer. After that, perhaps a formidable+ winger that can at least use the 50% pm slot...

Arena is upgraded to 65000. I've drawn 50k twice to it since it completed.

anyway.. thanks for the inputs.

[MikeVic]

Here's my starting lineup:

Allan Beardsley
TSI = 4 850 , 23 years, solid form
Has inadequate experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: wretched
Winger: formidable Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate

Anders Cederander
TSI = 640 , 22 years, excellent form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak

Dejan Celeketic [1 accumulated booking]
TSI = 1 240 , 26 years, passable form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: poor

Dhirendra Prakash
TSI = 2 470 , 23 years, solid form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: poor

Franz Schmidtke
TSI = 5 180 , 20 years, excellent form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched
Winger: passable Defending: formidable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor

Jorge Fontana [1 accumulated booking]
TSI = 1 970 , 26 years, passable form
Has weak experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: excellent Set Pieces: inadequate

Martin Stanfield [1 accumulated booking]
TSI = 1 180 , 27 years, passable form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: solid

Maximillian Karasev
TSI = 1 500 , 28 years, solid form
Has inadequate experience and poor leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: excellent Passing: inadequate
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate

Nils Celentano [2 accumulated bookings]
TSI = 3 510 , 21 years, excellent form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: formidable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate

Ola Gustavsson
TSI = 4 200 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: outstanding
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak

Peter Björklund [1 accumulated booking]
TSI = 3 670 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: wretched
Winger: passable Defending: outstanding
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor


I also have $2M CDN, so I can upgrade something...

[Hobbes-]

<Post to make it easier to read>

Keeper: 6
Defender: 9 (6wing) 20y, 9 (5SP) 21y, 10 (5wing) 20y, 10 (6wing) 20y
Midfielder: 8 (5pass), 7, 6 (6Def)
Winger: 9 (6Def)
Striker: 8 (5pass), 7 (7SP)


Thats your team in a nutshell
Looks like you could use some midfield help
Could you paste all your trainees in here.. other than the 4 you listed? That would be of more help.

-Hobbes

[MikeVic]

Yeah, Anders Cederander could definitely be upgraded I think. Here are my five other trainees:


Kenn Halldorsson
TSI = 2 200 , 21 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: excellent
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: poor


Maurmada Anwar [1 accumulated booking]
TSI = 2 590 , 21 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: formidable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: weak


Ralf Henriksson
TSI = 2 910 , 20 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: formidable
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: inadequate


Royce Thomson
TSI = 2 980 , 21 years, excellent form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: wretched Defending: formidable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate


Vlaho Fuzul
TSI = 2 710 , 21 years, excellent form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: formidable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

[finkenst]

sell them all and buy some younger guys.

each of those formidables will go for >us$600k each

[MikeVic]

sell them all and buy some younger guys.

each of those formidables will go for >us$600k each

Sell all my starters? And right now? Not after like, week 1 of the new season?

[Vince]

Not your starters -- your trainees. Fuzul, Thomson, Henriksson, and Anwar. 21 is a little old to be a trainee, unless you're up around some pretty significant skill levels. I bet you could reload with some Solid 17 yos (before the birthday) for a decently low price, and they'd be much better trainees than the guys you currently have.

[MikeVic]

Ok, would now be a good time to sell them? Or should I wait until some ideal time during the season?