A walk back through history for the Pats fans

[Vinatieri for Prez]

I just love going back in time and looking at past threads.

Like this one. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?t=24620&page=1&pp=30

I love Shorty and Eaglesfan's comments (where the Pats "overpaid" for Dillon). Don't you just love the irony.

Or this one.http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?t=30177&page=5&pp=30&highlight=washington

Where some thought the Pats only win with luck and the loss of Ted Washington was going to be the end of it for the Pats.


Ah, life is very good right now. I am thinking we can go 4 out of 5 years of SB wins. Why not? Who's better?

And where is pj when you really need him for some fun banter?

[Desnudo]

I thought this thread was going to review the Tommy Hodson Era.

[Danny]

It's a good thing the Pats players are tad more humble than their fans

[Sharpieman]

I just love going back in time and looking at past threads.

Like this one. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?t=24620&page=1&pp=30

I love Shorty and Eaglesfan's comments (where the Pats "overpaid" for Dillon). Don't you just love the irony.

Or this one.http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?t=30177&page=5&pp=30&highlight=washington

Where some thought the Pats only win with luck and the loss of Ted Washington was going to be the end of it for the Pats.


Ah, life is very good right now. I am thinking we can go 4 out of 5 years of SB wins. Why not? Who's better?

And where is pj when you really need him for some fun banter?
Savior it while it lasts, you never know when it can come crubmbling down. This is speaking from experience of course-I'm a Niners fan.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I thought this thread was going to review the Tommy Hodson Era.
Best comment of 2005 so far. :D

[rkmsuf]

The Marc Wilson era was a dark time.

[sachmo71]

Maybe I rooted against the wrong fans.

[j51]

Maybe I rooted against the wrong fans.
It was lose-lose.

[pjstp20]

You are really pathetic man. Patriots Suck.

Edit: Oh yeah and you got beaten by a pathetic 4-12 team

[flere-imsaho]

Anyone here remember Steve Grogan? Tony Eason?

If you're a true Pats fan, you'll remember that era with a shudder or two.

Funny, as a kid I seem to remember them always finding a way to lose, no matter how improbable. Now it's the opposite. I'll enjoy the ride, thanks. :)

[Axxon]

You are really pathetic man. Patriots Suck.

Edit: Oh yeah and you got beaten by a pathetic 4-12 team

Man, I know the guy has been man stalking you but you were better off before the edit. :)

[Axxon]

Anyone here remember Steve Grogan? Tony Eason?

If you're a true Pats fan, you'll remember that era with a shudder or two.

Funny, as a kid I seem to remember them always finding a way to lose, no matter how improbable. Now it's the opposite. I'll enjoy the ride, thanks. :)

I always liked Steve Grogan but I liked him despite the team he played for.

With the obvious exception of the threadstarter ( and I'd give him one days worth of gloat but he's used that up and more ) I have found that Pats fans are a pretty cool group. Compare them to Cowboy's fans. Man, talk about insufferable.

[rkmsuf]

Edit: Oh yeah and you got beaten by a pathetic 4-12 team


I'm not a hater but that could be the weakest thing you've ever written.

[Eilim]

Anyone here remember Steve Grogan? Tony Eason?

If you're a true Pats fan, you'll remember that era with a shudder or two.

Funny, as a kid I seem to remember them always finding a way to lose, no matter how improbable. Now it's the opposite. I'll enjoy the ride, thanks. :)


I have a bunch of Pats stuff autographed by Grogan. Was my second favorite player of the times behind John Hannah (My football hero.. Hell, why else would anyone actually want to play guard in football at 8 years old? ;) )

I still have fond memories from the 85 season of him scrambling out of the pocket and running for some yardage in his usual... erm.. graceful manner. Gotta love any qb who can even play the game with a neck brace, two leg braces and a backboard.. Let alone try and actually run for yardage. Steve McNair has nothing on our old boy Grogan. ;)

Like yourself, I'm just enjoying the ride. I just wish they'd win by more than 3 points once in a while. Hard to be a Boston area sports fan the past few decades without having ulcers.

[pjstp20]

I'm not a hater but that could be the weakest thing you've ever written.Eh, so what, I dont really give a fuck what you guys think anyway

Edit: Dolphins pwn the Patriots

[sachmo71]

Eh, so what, I dont really give a fuck what you guys think anyway

Edit: Dolphins pwn the Patriots
Don't forget to pick up your ball on the way home.

[JonInMiddleGA]

It was lose-lose.

You just did a pretty good job of summing up my take on last night's game.

[pjstp20]

Don't forget to pick up your ball on the way home.
Awesome comment guy, my feeling are really hurt now.

[SirFozzie]

You are really pathetic man. Patriots Suck.

Edit: Oh yeah and you got beaten by a pathetic 4-12 team

Hi PJ! Was wondering what rock you've been hiding under :)

Yup, you did beat us, and not much else to say about that, on Monday Night too.

But I think three Lombardis in Four Years proves that the Patriots, do not.. as you say.. Suck :)

[Axxon]

Eh, so what, I dont really give a fuck what you guys think anyway

Edit: Dolphins pwn the Patriots

Ok, I apologize to Vinatieri. You are just a prick and deserve however much he rubs it in your face.

[Axxon]

Hi PJ! Was wondering what rock you've been hiding under :)

Yup, you did beat us, and not much else to say about that, on Monday Night too.

But I think three Lombardis in Four Years proves that the Patriots, do not.. as you say.. Suck :)

The fins had the best qb statistically in football history and couldn't win one superbowl with him. Must suck to be a fan of such mediocrity.

All the fins are good for is dragging out the fossils of the unbeaten season whenever another team happens to be unbeaten late into the season. Way to live on memories fellas.

[rkmsuf]

Eh, so what, I dont really give a fuck what you guys think anyway

Edit: Dolphins pwn the Patriots


That's evident that you don't REALLY care.

[Castlerock]

I read the original post and I wanted to reply. But I didn't want to bump it and hoped it would just die. Unfortunately, it did not.

Yea, life is good for Boston sports right now. Enjoy it because it will not last.

But why the need to gloat? Can't victory be savored without gloating?

[SirFozzie]

Castlerock: Read the topic, folks are saying that idiot fans are everywhere, in every city, but while we have our fair share (probably more then our fair share), most of us have tried to bend over backwards not to gloat, rub it in, etcetera.

I know it won't last.. but I'm enjoying the ride right now.

(that stuff with pjstp? Well, hell, have you read his constant threadcrapping? It's gotten to the point where I can pretty much predict what threads he'll go nuts on :))

[sachmo71]

Awesome comment guy, my feeling are really hurt now.
I didn't want to hurt you.
I was chuckling at the irony of your statement, and making an observation of my perception of the direction your posts were going.

It seems I was on the right track.

If I'd wanted to hurt you, I would post something like this;

Baby, baby, suck your thumb,
Wash your face in bubble gum.
If you don't know what I mean,
Wash your face in gasoline!


But since I don't want to hurt you, please don't do any of those things.
I do expect you to come back with an insult; my only request is that you please make it creative.

[Castlerock]

Yea... I'm not talking about sticking it to pjstp. He deserves everying the gets and more.

[duckman]

Compare them to Cowboy's fans. Man, talk about insufferable.
Suck my balls! :D

Man, it's hard to be a fan for a team that 85% of America hates. ;)

[Franklinnoble]

Bah. Boston fans have it too good right now.

[JAG]

Compare them to Cowboy's fans. Man, talk about insufferable.

What can we say? The bandwagoners loved us in the '90s.

[Axxon]

Suck my balls! :D

Man, it's hard to be a fan for a team that 85% of America hates. ;)

Hey, at least I respect the hell out of the Cowboys. It was fun to hate them but guys like Staubach, Too Tall, Aikman, Smith, White, Allen, Pearson etc are all guys I'd love to buy a beer for and thank them for all the fun I've ever had hating their guts. :)

That's what a true sports rivalry is all about IMHO and I've enjoyed hating the Cowboys over the years.

Their fans on the other hand.... ;)

[Buccaneer]

(that stuff with pjstp? Well, hell, have you read his constant threadcrapping? It's gotten to the point where I can pretty much predict what threads he'll go nuts on :))
Let's see:

Pro-Patriots threads
Anti-Dolphins threads
Anti-Nirvana threads

I'm sure there's more. Maybe someone forgot to send him the "How Not To Be a Whiny Brat on the Internet" book?

[pjstp20]

Haha, I havent posted for months and you guys still remember all the shit I talked about. Glad I left an impression. I think you guys are big pricks too so the feeling is mutual. Havent had much reason to come around and chat because frankly this board doesn't interest me. So with that I'm gonna request that this account get deleted and you all kiss my ass. Bye now.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

It truly is amzing that every time pj says he's leaving and never coming back, he keeps showing up. This time first thing in the morning right after my post. I predict he will respond to this post within 12 hours, and probably just one.

Why did everyone think I was gloating? The topic was really an invite only to Pats fans. And I was really only pointing out the incorrect observations of Pats haters/nonbelievers to begin with.

P.S. I know it will end, which is exactly why I am living it up now. Ok, I am gloating a little bit.

[sachmo71]

Haha, I havent posted for months and you guys still remember all the shit I talked about. Glad I left an impression. I think you guys are big pricks too so the feeling is mutual. Havent had much reason to come around and chat because frankly this board doesn't interest me. So with that I'm gonna request that this account get deleted and you all kiss my ass. Bye now.

What a comeback! Not original, but very infantile.

[pjstp20]

I'll amuse you by responding to you V, but this time its for real, I already asked for my account to be deleted, it's the only thing I can do to stop you from calling me out and lusting for my attention. And that always leads to me getting pissed off and being a jerk, wich inspires other assholes to comment because they got nothing better to do then post thier idiotic ramblings 3 or more times a day on an internet message board. Like anyone else really gives a shit. Its a vicious cycle that must end.
Now if everyone can do me a favor and not regaurd or reference me from this point forward, because I obviously can't help myself from responding. It should be easy because everyone here is a level above me emotinally and intellectually. Or at least you act that way so prove it. Keep your comments to yourself, let me go my way, I'll let you go yours and we'll all be better for it.

[Joe]

whattahomo

[Vinatieri for Prez]

32 minutes to respond. Amazing. I outdid myself on that prediction. See you tomorrow, pj.

[Galaril]

This thread should be retitled sour grapes . I am not a Pats fan and I gotta say there is alot and I mean alot of whining on this board about the Pats. I never particularly noticed that Pats and Red Sox fans were that obnoxious. I mean as long as Raiders' fans are around come on. What is it about hating Boston sports around here ?

[sabotai]

Why did everyone think I was gloating? The topic was really an invite only to Pats fans. And I was really only pointing out the incorrect observations of Pats haters/nonbelievers to begin with.

Hm, and here I was thinking that I liked the Patriots. I've kind of been a fan of their's since Bill Parcells took over in the mid 90's and have followed them since. I didn't realize because I was just making honest observations, that made me a Patriot hater....

And as far as the second thread went, they were not incorrect observations. I remember (and I verified) that I said if the Patriots played that way, they weren't going back to the Super Bowl. If. But, to my happiness, they got to work and fixed what went wrong in that game. Good for them. I'm happy.

But, because I pointed out what was wrong in that first game, that makes me a hater somehow.....

(Nothing more annoying than someone who simply can't handle criticism of the teams they are fans of)

[Julio Riddols]

Wow, I didnt even know about this pjstp guy. Hes like an unfunny version of HA, but more clingy. I love this board.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Hm, and here I was thinking that I liked the Patriots. I've kind of been a fan of their's since Bill Parcells took over in the mid 90's and have followed them since. I didn't realize because I was just making honest observations, that made me a Patriot hater....

And as far as the second thread went, they were not incorrect observations. I remember (and I verified) that I said if the Patriots played that way, they weren't going back to the Super Bowl. If. But, to my happiness, they got to work and fixed what went wrong in that game. me a hater somehow.....

(Nothing more annoying than someone who simply can't handle criticism of Good for them. I'm happy.

But, because I pointed out what was wrong in that first game, that makes the teams they are fans of)

Not a hater, S. I also said "non-believer." You have to admit you probably fit into that category.

Now come on everybody. Take a chill pill. Can't anybody have some fun and go look at old posts and bring up the subject when all the evidence is in?

[MrBug708]

asshat

[Desnudo]

Steve Grogan, greatest QB ever to consistently wear a neck brace. I'm pretty sure he wore it grocery shopping and driving. Does anyone remember the Grogan-Eason QB controversy during the 1985 playoff run? If only Eason had played more, they might have lost 46-17 instead of 46-10.

[Eilim]

Steve Grogan, greatest QB ever to consistently wear a neck brace. I'm pretty sure he wore it grocery shopping and driving. Does anyone remember the Grogan-Eason QB controversy during the 1985 playoff run? If only Eason had played more, they might have lost 46-17 instead of 46-10.

As much as it pains me to say this, I *still* think Eason could have turned out to be a decent QB if not for the fact we were working without a consitent o-line OR running back during his tenure.

I almost felt bad when his own linemen were making "wearing a skirt" comments about him while he was still a starter.


As a side not, I have a cool autographed photo of grogan with me striking the Mr. Roboto like throwing pose of his backboard days and him slapping me upside the back of the head. :) One of the perks of living in Foxboro and him owning the sporting goods shop up the street.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Now this is a laugher. Here is the private message I got from pj (supposedly before he leaves us for good):

"You just dont get it do you , you stupid ---. I told you to shut the --- up about it, don't speak to me and don't regaurd me but you can't do that because your some sick, twisted ---- who can't help themselves. Hopefully when my account is deleted there will be no means of communication possible between us, and this sick game of yours will finally end. Get a ----- life." [edited to remove offensive language, aka the f-word]

Talk about taking life a little too seriously. Anyone that was feeling sympathy for the guy, take note. My guess however is that he will be back and probably respond to this post as well. When you throw some idiotic opinions on a message board and rant off on a team, don't come crying about it later when people take exception to it. I am going to put him on ignore.

Why he needs the delete, I am not too sure. Why doesn't he just quit visiting the board???

Usually, I wouldn't post a PM, but this was over the line.

[sachmo71]

Now this is a laugher. Here is the private message I got from pj (supposedly before he leaves us for good):

"You just dont get it do you , you stupid ---. I told you to shut the --- up about it, don't speak to me and don't regaurd me but you can't do that because your some sick, twisted ---- who can't help themselves. Hopefully when my account is deleted there will be no means of communication possible between us, and this sick game of yours will finally end. Get a ----- life." [edited to remove offensive language, aka the f-word]

Talk about taking life a little too seriously. Anyone that was feeling sympathy for the guy, take note. My guess however is that he will be back and probably respond to this post as well. When you throw some idiotic opinions on a message board and rant off on a team, don't come crying about it later when people take exception to it. I am going to put him on ignore.

Why he needs the delete, I am not too sure. Why doesn't he just quit visiting the board???

Usually, I wouldn't post a PM, but this was over the line.
And I was so proud of him for trying to rise above it all. Stupid, insignificant messageboards.

[gstelmack]

Steve Grogan, greatest QB ever to consistently wear a neck brace. I'm pretty sure he wore it grocery shopping and driving. Does anyone remember the Grogan-Eason QB controversy during the 1985 playoff run? If only Eason had played more, they might have lost 46-17 instead of 46-10.
I was a huge fan of Grogan back then (was in high school at the time). The key I remember was Eason doing NOTHING in the Super Bowl, and Grogan coming in and leading the Pats to a TD. It was a sad day when my original Grogan jersey finally had to be retired. I keep thinking about picking up a throwback...

[SirFozzie]

The amazing thing is that somebody did a poll of adult Patriots fans in the past year, asking them to list the top 10 players in Pats history.. I wonder if they specifically said RETIRED Pats players, because Brady wasn't even in the top 10..

But John Hannah was #1, and Steve Grogan #2 :)

[gstelmack]

The amazing thing is that somebody did a poll of adult Patriots fans in the past year, asking them to list the top 10 players in Pats history.. I wonder if they specifically said RETIRED Pats players, because Brady wasn't even in the top 10..

But John Hannah was #1, and Steve Grogan #2 :)
Ooo, that's a fun game. Let me see:

Tom Brady
Drew Bledsoe
Steve Grogan
Richard Seymour
Ty Law
Mosi Tatupu (hey, I was young, I don't remember ever seeing it spelled)
Irving Fryar
Troy Brown
Ben Coates
Adam Vinatieri

Honorable Mention:

Craig James

In rough order. I'm probably missing some old-timers, but as I said I was a kid in the 70s/80s and just don't remember all that many names.

[Castlerock]

Irving Fryar


Huh? The rest of the list is ok. But Fryar? I was glad when that bum finally left.

A few off the top of my head that have not already been mentioned:
Stanley Morgan
Michael Haynes
Jim Plunkett
Gino Cappelletti

[gstelmack]

Hey, when you're a kid and someone is catching these nice deep TD throws, that's all you care about. I did forget about Morgan, he should be up there. Plunkett had his success away from the Pats, so I don't know if I'd throw him on this list.

[Julio Riddols]

Hart Lee Dykes. Nuff said.

[rkmsuf]

What no love for Jon Vaughan?

[Desnudo]

Hart Lee Dykes. Nuff said.

I had his rookie card. Sadly I'm still working for a living.

No love for Andre Tippett?

[korme]

cthomer is the one who said they overpaid, not me.. when you said that in the beginning of this thread, i was confused because Dillon was my favorite plahyer and I would never think only getting a 2nd rounder for the best RB the Bengals ever had was a steal on Cinci's part..

Just clearing that up.

[Julio Riddols]

Shorty, how do you feel about Dillons success? I think he deserved it, and I am happy for him.. It just took Cinci too long to really put a serious effort into turning things around.. The next few years look really promising though, and I think Palmer is going to be a top 5 QB as he learns more and more how to pick apart defenses. He was playing like an all pro before he got hurt.

Edit: Madieu Williams is looking like a good enough player to make the Dillon trade worth it, I think. He is going to be a top flight safety. I like Lewis's eye for players, because he seems to get good workers and character guys who seem to truly want to get better.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

My apologies shorty.

[lytic]

Eh, so what, I dont really give a fuck what you guys think anyway

Edit: Dolphins pwn the Patriots

10 Oct W vs, Miami Dolphins 24-10

yup.

[lytic]

Don't forget Babe Parilli...

[Desnudo]

Catching up with Tommy Hodson:

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2005/02/02/a_louisiana_legend/

[judicial clerk]

I have a bunch of Pats stuff autographed by Grogan. Was my second favorite player of the times behind John Hannah (My football hero.. Hell, why else would anyone actually want to play guard in football at 8 years old? )

2nd best guard ever.

[vtbub]

John Smith and his magic snow plow. ;)