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Bomber
03-30-2005, 12:24 PM
Should be the one dying.

Drake
03-30-2005, 01:40 PM
What are you talking about?

markprior22
03-30-2005, 02:06 PM
Randall Terry is a solid guy who actually takes a stand for issues he believes in. Unfortunately, being a stong, active conservative in this country opens a person up to all kinds of ridicule (mostly from people who sit on the sidelines doing nothing but Monday morning quarterbacking). I had the honor years ago (probably 15 yrs ago) of having breakfast with Randall (thanks to a friend of mine). The strongest memory I have from that little "meeting" is how down he was about the lack of young male leadership in this country. Randall is largely a victim of rumors that opposition pass on until they become "unquestioned fact." Is he fanatically opposed to abortion and related issues? You bet. Would he murder an abortion doctor, bomb an abortion clinic or support people who would do such things? Absolutely not! Has he been known to take a stand to the point of getting arrested? Yep. This is a guy with strong beliefs and the balls to back those beliefs up with words and action. It is easy for me to see why people with opposing views absolutely hate him.

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 02:18 PM
Careful, being a Christian or saying anything good about one will get you branded as an 'extremist' and invite all kinds of personal attacks not related to fact. Randall scares folks because he doesn't drink the Kool-aid of the elites and most of the 'silent majority' are afraid of conflict. The only acceptable target of discrimination left today is that of Christians with real conviction of belief who make them known.

miked
03-30-2005, 02:18 PM
So what about that quote that was in the other thread...I found it online and it's an actual quote.

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

I'm sure I don't have the context, as I didn't read the entire article, but is there a good context?

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 02:20 PM
So what about that quote that was in the other thread...I found it online and it's an actual quote.



I'm sure I don't have the context, as I didn't read the entire article, but is there a good context?

Still, feel free to source it anyhow. Link or print the entire article, not your edited version. The hate here would seem to be the reaction he sees in response to Christians who take a stand for what they see as right. Jesus Himself talks about 'Whoa to you whom the world calls their friend" and "when all would speak good of you" cause taking a stand for Christian principles will cause conflict "I come not to bring peace into the world, but a sword."

The 'sword' by the way is not a physical one, but the Word of God.

Honolulu_Blue
03-30-2005, 02:28 PM
Careful, being a Christian or saying anything good about one will get you branded as an 'extremist' and invite all kinds of personal attacks not related to fact. Randall scares folks because he doesn't drink the Kool-aid of the elites and most of the 'silent majority' are afraid of conflict. The only acceptable target of discrimination left today is that of Christians with real conviction of belief who make them known.
If this smiley, :rolleyes:, were invented for but once post in alll of the message boards in all of the many planes of existence... This would be that post.

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 02:28 PM
If this smiley, :rolleyes:, were invented for but once post in alll of the message boards in all of the many planes of existence... This would be that post.

Yeah, except kinda overused and cliched in regards to me... ;)

Klinglerware
03-30-2005, 02:29 PM
Randall Terry is a solid guy who actually takes a stand for issues he believes in. Unfortunately, being a stong, active conservative in this country opens a person up to all kinds of ridicule (mostly from people who sit on the sidelines doing nothing but Monday morning quarterbacking). I had the honor years ago (probably 15 yrs ago) of having breakfast with Randall (thanks to a friend of mine). The strongest memory I have from that little "meeting" is how down he was about the lack of young male leadership in this country. Randall is largely a victim of rumors that opposition pass on until they become "unquestioned fact." Is he fanatically opposed to abortion and related issues? You bet. Would he murder an abortion doctor, bomb an abortion clinic or support people who would do such things? Absolutely not! Has he been known to take a stand to the point of getting arrested? Yep. This is a guy with strong beliefs and the balls to back those beliefs up with words and action. It is easy for me to see why people with opposing views absolutely hate him.

I'm not sure Randall Terry is the victim you portray him to be. I thought his influence was on the wane, but his connection with the Schiavo case was a very savvy move that probably bolstered his profile. I can respect his conviction of belief when it comes to his anti-abortion stance. What worries me about him is that he has shown sympathy to the Reconstructionist movement in the past--a movement that advocates a Christian theocratic government. Demonstrating and taking political action on the abortion issue is one thing, but the more comprehensive and fundemental change in government that some in the movement advocate, is antithetical to the secular enlightenment values I believe our country stands for. Thusly, I cannot ever support what Randall Terry is trying to accomplish, though I am impressed with his organizational and PR skills...

rexallllsc
03-30-2005, 02:31 PM
"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

Wow, he sure does seem to be rounding up the troops! LOL

Wake me when this guy gets off of his chair and starts to "conquer" the country.

NoMyths
03-30-2005, 02:34 PM
Jesus Himself talks about 'Whoa to you whom the world calls their friend"Who knew that Christ was really Keanu Reeves?

Drake
03-30-2005, 02:38 PM
I'm not sure Randall Terry is the victim you portray him to be. I thought his influence was on the wane, but his connection with the Schiavo case was a very savvy move that probably bolstered his profile. I can respect his conviction of belief when it comes to his anti-abortion stance. What worries me about him is that he has shown sympathy to the Reconstructionist movement in the past--a movement that advocates a Christian theocratic government. Demonstrating and taking political action on the abortion issue is one thing, but the more comprehensive and fundemental change in government that some in the movement advocate, is antithetical to the secular enlightenment values I believe our country stands for. Thusly, I cannot ever support what Randall Terry is trying to accomplish, though I am impressed with his organizational and PR skills...

So you're telling me he's swiping Jesse Jackson's schtick?

Drake
03-30-2005, 02:38 PM
Who knew that Christ was really Keanu Reeves?

No, no, Christ is Jim Caviezel.

st.cronin
03-30-2005, 02:39 PM
No, no, Christ is Jim Caviezel.

Wrong again: Willem Dafoe.

hxxp://thehollywoodalist.com/d.htm

miked
03-30-2005, 03:02 PM
Still, feel free to source it anyhow. Link or print the entire article, not your edited version. The hate here would seem to be the reaction he sees in response to Christians who take a stand for what they see as right. Jesus Himself talks about 'Whoa to you whom the world calls their friend" and "when all would speak good of you" cause taking a stand for Christian principles will cause conflict "I come not to bring peace into the world, but a sword."

The 'sword' by the way is not a physical one, but the Word of God.

Well, despite the fact that you seem to think it's the world vs. the Christians, I just pasted from another thread on this board, and that's all that was there.

If you'd like a source, try finding it and say it was taken out of some greater context of hate...The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93.

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

- Randall Terry, Aug 8, 1995 U.S. Taxpayers Alliance Banquet in Washington DC, talking about doctors who perform abortions

You can drink his kool-aid if you want, he'll probably saint you for killing a gay person.

rexallllsc
03-30-2005, 03:09 PM
Well, despite the fact that you seem to think it's the world vs. the Christians, I just pasted from another thread on this board, and that's all that was there.

If you'd like a source, try finding it and say it was taken out of some greater context of hate...The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93.

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

- Randall Terry, Aug 8, 1995 U.S. Taxpayers Alliance Banquet in Washington DC, talking about doctors who perform abortions

You can drink his kool-aid if you want, he'll probably saint you for killing a gay person.

Yet Bubba probably hates Osama. Pretty funny.

PS - This dude Randall Terry...well, why isn't he practicing what he preaches? What a pu$$y he is. Nothing worse than someone who is all talk.

PSS - Does he really think that "executing" people is what his god would want?

Edit: Check this out!!!

http://www.nndb.com/people/704/000059527/

Daughter: Ebony Whetstone (b. 1975, Muslim)
Son: Jamiel Terry (b. 1980, adopted, openly gay)

I bet that makes him really happy. lol

yabanci
03-30-2005, 03:16 PM
....
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead." s......

Wasn't it jesus christ who said that??? I think that's actually a quote from the sermon on the mount.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 03:21 PM
Quotes from Randall Terry:

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."

"You better believe that I want to build a Christian nation," Terry said, "because the only option is a pagan nation. Not that the government can make someone a Christian by decree. A Christian nation would be defined as 'We acknowledge God in our body politic, in our communities, that the God of the Bible is our God, and, we acknowledge that His law is supreme."

"The Declaration of Independence is an intrinsically Christian document," Terry said. "The four references to God there can only be the Christian God."

in referring to doctors who perform abortions, Terry said,
"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed."

"And I'll tell you what's even more bad than the Contract with America, it's the Christian Coalition's Contract with the American Family. You read the Contract with the American Family, if every single thing they want in that contract were accomplished, we'd still have 4,400 babies a day being murdered! We would still have the homosexuals moving further and further down the road legitimizing their godless perversions. We would still have the government corrupting our kids in the failed, godless, tyrannical government school system that graduates a third of their kids who can't read the condom they can use — they can't read the label on the thing, for goodness sake."

"We have well-meaning young men like Ralph Reed, we have fundraising companies that are making hundreds of thousands of dollars off the Christian community by pressing the hot buttons that are out there — abortion pills, homosexuals encroaching. But, they have absolutely no intention whatsoever of bringing about true Christian government."

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By the way, the "intolerance" remark was made at an anti-abortion rally outside a clinic in 1993.

And many of you who think he's right should consider this remark:

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991

Pat Robertson

I.e., if you ever finally drive out the non-Christians, be prepared - someone is going to want to drive out YOUR version of Christianity.

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 03:21 PM
Well, despite the fact that you seem to think it's the world vs. the Christians, I just pasted from another thread on this board, and that's all that was there.

If you'd like a source, try finding it and say it was taken out of some greater context of hate...The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, 8-16-93.

"When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we will execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed... If we're going to have true reformation in America, it is because men once again, if I may use a worn out expression, have righteous testoserone flowing through their veins. They are not afraid of contempt for their contemporaries. They are not even here to get along. They are here to take over... Somebody like Susan Smith should be dead. She should be dead now. Some people will go, "Well how do you know God doesn't have a wonderful plan for her life?" He does, it's listed in the Bible. His plan for her is that she should be dead."

- Randall Terry, Aug 8, 1995 U.S. Taxpayers Alliance Banquet in Washington DC, talking about doctors who perform abortions

You can drink his kool-aid if you want, he'll probably saint you for killing a gay person.

Yeah, this reminds me of being at my mother-in-law's over Easter. Table discussion about possible 2008 candidates, both her and my brother-in-law like Hillary. I told them Hillary was a Communist, based on her college thesis that she wrote while mentored by a known hard-core Marxist named Saul (plenty of sources like google if you want to get the last name, this is all documented fact: O'Reilly has stated if he ever got to question Hillary her thesis would be the first subject he brings up.) Her thesis has been under lock and key by her college since she became first lady (parts released with other parts 'blacked-out' don't count as coming clean.)

Point is, if you want to hold everyone accountable for everything said for the course of their lives, everybody has skeletons.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 03:23 PM
Still, feel free to source it anyhow. Link or print the entire article, not your edited version. The hate here would seem to be the reaction he sees in response to Christians who take a stand for what they see as right. Jesus Himself talks about 'Whoa to you whom the world calls their friend" and "when all would speak good of you" cause taking a stand for Christian principles will cause conflict "I come not to bring peace into the world, but a sword."

The 'sword' by the way is not a physical one, but the Word of God.

Bubba doesn't know Jesus. Doesn't undestand Jesus. Can't hear Jesus.

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 03:25 PM
Bubba doesn't know Jesus. Doesn't undestand Jesus. Can't hear Jesus.

Well, we all gonna find out in the end. Like the bumper sticker says, 'Read the Bible, there WILL be a test!" :)

miked
03-30-2005, 03:31 PM
Yeah, this reminds me of being at my mother-in-law's over Easter. Table discussion about possible 2008 candidates, both her and my brother-in-law like Hillary. I told them Hillary was a Communist, based on her college thesis that she wrote while mentored by a known hard-core Marxist named Saul (plenty of sources like google if you want to get the last name, this is all documented fact: O'Reilly has stated if he ever got to question Hillary her thesis would be the first subject he brings up.) Her thesis has been under lock and key by her college since she became first lady (parts released with other parts 'blacked-out' don't count as coming clean.)

Point is, if you want to hold everyone accountable for everything said for the course of their lives, everybody has skeletons.

That's about the lamest thing I've ever heard. So you're saying that people shouldn't be held accountable if happened a while ago? It's ok if he spews hate venom because it was a few years ago?

jeff061
03-30-2005, 03:32 PM
I can't believe people still see Christianity and religion in general relevant to the current times. Its an artifact of a time when people knew shit, can't we take a collective step towards progress and more realistic beliefs? I'm not an athiest, but organized religion makes me gag. Form your own ideas, or at the very least form your beliefs around fact and not someone elses fiction.

/Waiting at the evolution bell curve



I probably should close my browser now and not click post

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 03:33 PM
That's about the lamest thing I've ever heard. So you're saying that people shouldn't be held accountable if happened a while ago? It's ok if he spews hate venom because it was a few years ago?

I'm saying its always the same double-standard: Hold the one you don't like to what he/she said 20yrs ago and give the one you do like a free pass. Both sides do it, and all the time.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 03:34 PM
Well, we all gonna find out in the end. Like the bumper sticker says, 'Read the Bible, there WILL be a test!" :)

Yep, and you've already failed.

st.cronin
03-30-2005, 03:35 PM
I can't believe people still see Christianity and religion in general relevant to the current times. Its an artifact of a time when people knew shit, can't we take a collective step towards progress and more realistic beliefs? I'm not an athiest, but organized religion makes me gag. Form your own ideas, or at the very least form your beliefs around fact and not someone elses fiction.

/Waiting at the evolution bell curve



I probably should close my browser now and not click post

Ugh. Do you have any idea how many good works are done every day by organized religion? Go be an atheist if you want to; stick pins in the hot air balloon called randall terry; but don't mock people for coming together to celebrate their common spirituality.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 03:36 PM
I'm saying its always the same double-standard: Hold the one you don't like to what he/she said 20yrs ago and give the one you do like a free pass. Both sides do it, and all the time.

The Randall Terry quote is accurate. The other Christian rights' quotes are accurate - most are even on TV. Prove the Clinton quote/paper from a reliable source. Prove it.

jeff061
03-30-2005, 03:37 PM
Ugh. Do you have any idea how many good works are done every day by organized religion? Go be an atheist if you want to; stick pins in the hot air balloon called randall terry; but don't mock people for coming together to celebrate their common spirituality.

Fair enough, not an atheist though ;).

st.cronin
03-30-2005, 03:38 PM
Fair enough, not an Athiest though ;).

Touche, you even pointed that out. My bad.

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 03:39 PM
Yep, and you've already failed.

Wow, pretty bold on your part. Bible tells me if I were to judge someone on where they would spend eternity then I would be in danger of the same judgement. You must have insider knowledge, but I would still check your sources.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 03:40 PM
Wow, pretty bold on your part. Bible tells me if I were to judge someone on where they would spend eternity then I would be in danger of the same judgement. You must have insider knowledge, but I would still check your sources.

My sources are excellent. It's called life. And you're flunking it.

As for spending eternity, that's a matter of some debate. I don't (and my faith doesn't) believe in the fire-and-brimstone version of hell. There's not 47 virgins waiting either.

Loki
03-30-2005, 03:41 PM
The Oddessy tells me that to escape a Cyclops, you have to tie yourself to the underside of a sheep.

This statement may or may not be relevant here.

Honolulu_Blue
03-30-2005, 03:44 PM
Ugh. Do you have any idea how many good works are done every day by organized religion? Go be an atheist if you want to; stick pins in the hot air balloon called randall terry; but don't mock people for coming together to celebrate their common spirituality.
I am all for people coming together to celebrate their common spirituality. I commend that. But, unfornatunately, for some, organized religion is not really about that at all. And your statement leads to the inevitable retort... Do you have any idea how many horrendous acts of pain, death, horror, humiliation, and suffering are done every day because of and in the name of organized religion?

Drake
03-30-2005, 03:49 PM
The Oddessy tells me that to escape a Cyclops, you have to tie yourself to the underside of a sheep.

This statement may or may not be relevant here.

I just had a moment of clarity. You've CHANGED MY WHOLE LIFE!!!!!

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 03:52 PM
The Randall Terry quote is accurate. The other Christian rights' quotes are accurate - most are even on TV. Prove the Clinton quote/paper from a reliable source. Prove it.

http://freerepublic.com/forum/a3883a222798a.htm

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky is quoted as crediting Lucifer for being 'the first radical." But aren't liberals and in particular radicals supposed to be 'atheist?'

BTW, that is #1 out of 841 listed under google search of "Hillary college thesis", feel free to check the rest out for yourself.

st.cronin
03-30-2005, 03:55 PM
I am all for people coming together to celebrate their common spirituality. I commend that. But, unfornatunately, for some, organized religion is not really about that at all. And your statement leads to the inevitable retort... Do you have any idea how many horrendous acts of pain, death, horror, humiliation, and suffering are done every day because of and in the name of organized religion?

My point is that to tar 'organized religion' (an abstract concept) with the sins of, for example, Randall Terry or even Osama Bin Laden, is unfair to the countless people who are inspired by their participation in organized religion to do good works.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 04:13 PM
http://freerepublic.com/forum/a3883a222798a.htm

In Rules for Radicals, Alinsky is quoted as crediting Lucifer for being 'the first radical." But aren't liberals and in particular radicals supposed to be 'atheist?'

BTW, that is #1 out of 841 listed under google search of "Hillary college thesis", feel free to check the rest out for yourself.

1. The freerepublic isn't a reliable news source.
2. They said they "had a copy" of a sealed thesis but didn't publish any of it beyond a supposed quote or two - at best.
3. And there's nothing in those quotes that indicates Hillary is a Communist.

Do you live in the real world?

Bubba Wheels
03-30-2005, 04:16 PM
1. The freerepublic isn't a reliable news source.
2. They said they "had a copy" of a sealed thesis but didn't publish any of it beyond a supposed quote or two - at best.
3. And there's nothing in those quotes that indicates Hillary is a Communist.

Do you live in the real world?

You not seeing the obvious about Alinsky, and the fact that there are 841 more entries on that google search... basically you don't just drink the Kool-aid. You swim in it.

larrymcg421
03-30-2005, 04:17 PM
People like Randall Terry do more damage to Christianity than any athiest could ever hope to accomplish.

miked
03-30-2005, 04:18 PM
I still don't get it...what does writing a thesis allegedly supporting communism have to do with publicly wishing death upon people?

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 04:28 PM
You not seeing the obvious about Alinsky, and the fact that there are 841 more entries on that google search... basically you don't just drink the Kool-aid. You swim in it.

Actually, I took a look at the first 3 pages on Google. Didn't find shit.

The Kool-aid comment wasn't mine, so whatever... :p

Support your own arguments - don't ask me to do it for you. Your first statement is that "Hillary is a Communist" based on her college thesis. Without ever reading her thesis. Now you can't even find any evidence - even on partisan websites - that support your claim. Find some supporting legitimate evidence and then come back.

And how does Alinsky = Hillary? Wrong! Thank you for playing, please try again!



:rolleyes:

Drake
03-30-2005, 04:43 PM
Actually, I took a look at the first 3 pages on Google. Didn't find shit.

I'm pretty happy to stay out of this pissing match between the two of you, but I put in exactly what he typed in Google and the first entry reads:

Hillary Clinton's Biggest Cover-ups
... Hillary's college thesis is all about her communist/marxist beliefs. Naturally, the Hildabeast made her thesis disappear during her "reign" at the ...
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/962304/posts - 47k - Cached - Similar pages

...which is pretty obviously the link that BW meant.

So either you're being intentionally obtuse here, or you need to learn how to google. I'm not making any judgments whatsoever about the veracity of the source. Can't say I care enough about Hillary or Terry to look into it.

Drake
03-30-2005, 04:46 PM
dola...

For the record, I have nothing against intentional obtuseness either, so it's not like I'm taking sides. Hell, I've been married for almost eleven years. I have an advanced degree in intentional obtuseness. It's the only way I survive.

Blackadar
03-30-2005, 04:50 PM
I'm pretty happy to stay out of this pissing match between the two of you, but I put in exactly what he typed in Google and the first entry reads:

...which is pretty obviously the link that BW meant.

So either you're being intentionally obtuse here, or you need to learn how to google. I'm not making any judgments whatsoever about the veracity of the source. Can't say I care enough about Hillary or Terry to look into it.

Click the link, Drake and read it. It's a piece on her essay - but it's not her essay. It says nothing of the sort about Hillary = Communist. In fact, for them to supposedly have such an exclusive - remember her essay has been under lock and key by Drake - they say almost nothing about it at all.

Considering this is a very conservative website, either:

1. They don't have it.
2. There's nothing even remotely incriminating about it. Because if there was, they'd have posted it with big bold red letters.

My bet? #1.

Crapshoot
03-30-2005, 05:46 PM
wait, Blackadar- are you saying Bubba is full of shit ? No- surely that couldn't be the case.... you are all swimming in the Kool-Aid... :D

rexallllsc
03-30-2005, 05:50 PM
Actually, I took a look at the first 3 pages on Google. Didn't find shit.

The Kool-aid comment wasn't mine, so whatever... :p

Support your own arguments - don't ask me to do it for you. Your first statement is that "Hillary is a Communist" based on her college thesis. Without ever reading her thesis. Now you can't even find any evidence - even on partisan websites - that support your claim. Find some supporting legitimate evidence and then come back.

And how does Alinsky = Hillary? Wrong! Thank you for playing, please try again!



:rolleyes:

Dude shut up already. Who cares if Randall Terry advocates hate and murder. Hillary is a Commie...or so I heard on Hannity.

Drake
03-31-2005, 08:13 AM
Click the link, Drake and read it. It's a piece on her essay - but it's not her essay. It says nothing of the sort about Hillary = Communist. In fact, for them to supposedly have such an exclusive - remember her essay has been under lock and key by Drake - they say almost nothing about it at all.

Considering this is a very conservative website, either:

1. They don't have it.
2. There's nothing even remotely incriminating about it. Because if there was, they'd have posted it with big bold red letters.

My bet? #1.

I gotcha. I thought you were saying you weren't seeing the link he was talking about (when you said you "didn't see shit") as opposed to questioning the validity of the "evidence" presented.

I'd tend to agree with you that it likely doesn't say what they think it says. Hell, even if it's just a blatant rip off of Mao's little red book, it's not like I'm going to give much of a shit anyway. Seriously, I hope I never find myself in the position where people are holding me liable for the crap I wrote in my early 20's, 'cuz I was (and I'm betting most of were) a pretty big whack job in my 20's. I've always thought that was what college was for -- to introduce us to a buffet of whack job ideas and help us to pick the ones that suit us best.

Drake
03-31-2005, 08:14 AM
dola...

And if Hillary really does have some Communist/Marxist ideas, is that such a bad thing? Hell, at least the Communists have universal health care...

Loki
03-31-2005, 08:30 AM
There is nothing wrong with communism.

Except that it doesn't work.

Drake
03-31-2005, 08:43 AM
There is nothing wrong with communism.

Except that it doesn't work.

Well, yeah. But my boss could say the same thing about me. Doesn't make me a bad person.

Tekneek
03-31-2005, 10:14 AM
Wasn't it jesus christ who said that??? I think that's actually a quote from the sermon on the mount.

Jesus was really talking about testosterone?

Tekneek
03-31-2005, 10:20 AM
If anybody connected to the Schiavo situation brings to mind Hitler and the Nazis, it surely would be this Randall Terry character and not Michael Schiavo. This man wants a cleansing of the population. He will be calling for genocide.

This sort of thing must be ok, though. I am amazed at the double standard. If some homosexual or atheist was reversing these statements, the outrage would be overwhelming even within the homosexual and atheist groups. Conservatives must not be as willing to call out the bigots amongst them.

Klinglerware
03-31-2005, 10:44 AM
If anybody connected to the Schiavo situation brings to mind Hitler and the Nazis, it surely would be this Randall Terry character and not Michael Schiavo. This man wants a cleansing of the population. He will be calling for genocide.

This sort of thing must be ok, though. I am amazed at the double standard. If some homosexual or atheist was reversing these statements, the outrage would be overwhelming even within the homosexual and atheist groups. Conservatives must not be as willing to call out the bigots amongst them.

Yeah, it's interesting how that works. I surely hope that most conservatives aren't sympathetic to Randall Terry's overall ideology.

I do think that many conservatives on this board do realize the hypocrisy of some of the advocates of the Schiavo parents. I'm still amused that some of the "Michael Schiavo wants to murder Terri" people never really did respond to Tom DeLay's own experience with futile care and the tongue-in-cheek question "So, do you think DeLay killed his father?" (Someone asked Bubba this on the other thread...)

chinaski
03-31-2005, 11:27 AM
Randal Terry in a MSNBC interview about 30 minutes ago, used Schaivos death as a rally cry to get the Bush judges through. He then went on to say in rambling huff... "These Judges brought us Homosexuals" (in reference to appearantly every judge who ruled against the Schindlers). HIS EXACT WORDS.

Klinglerware
03-31-2005, 11:31 AM
Randal Terry in a MSNBC interview about 30 minutes ago, used Schaivos death as a rally cry to get the Bush judges through. He then went on to say in rambling huff... "These Judges brought us Homosexuals" (in reference to appearantly every judge who ruled against the Schindlers). HIS EXACT WORDS.

Hee hee -- first these "activist judges" create law, now they create humans with different sexual preferences? Ha, they really are gods!

Tekneek
03-31-2005, 11:38 AM
I hope the guy keeps getting time in the spotlight. With each crazy thing he says that doesn't generate condemnation from the right, you learn how they (at the very least) intend to tolerate that radical point of view. Is this similar to the Muslims not denouncing their radical elements?