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Kodos
05-18-2005, 03:49 PM
I'm finding myself already disappointed in the new Dolphins coach, Nick Saban. He seems to subscribe to the Jimmy Johnson theory that if a player has any chance to help your team on the field, you should utterly disregard anything he may have done off the field, no matter how distasteful his actions may have been. Would you rather your team try to avoid players who have been involved in off-the-field issues like this Elam guy, or would you rather disregard off-field behavior entirely in order to get the best athletes possible?

From the Miami Sentinel. (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-abram051805,0,3064348.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front)

Chicago woman outraged at Dolphins for signing player who assaulted her

By David Haugh
Chicago Tribune
Posted May 18 2005, 10:22 AM EDT

She feared the Bears might draft or sign Abram Elam and make her afraid to walk around the corner outside the Chicago apartment building where she lives, not knowing if Elam might be on the other side.

It probably sounds unfair or irrational to people who never have experienced the feeling they were raped, she said matter-of-factly.

But that was the mind-set she had scanning the sports pages daily since the NFL draft to see if any team had signed Elam, a man convicted of committing sexual battery against her three years ago.

She waited, and worried every day until Tuesday, when the woman who alleged four former Notre Dame football players assaulted her sexually in March 2002 seethed upon learning Elam, the only man convicted in the incident, had signed a contract with the Miami Dolphins.

"Abram Elam is living his dream, while I continue to have nightmares of the attack I endured at his hands over three years ago," said the woman, currently living and working in Chicago. "I can only hope that every football fan who has a mother, daughter, wife, sister, girlfriend or female friend, will express their outrage at this injustice."

Elam, an undrafted safety who finished his career at Kent State after being expelled from Notre Dame because of the off-campus incident, participated in this week's rookie mini-camp with the Dolphins. He has declined all interview requests.

Dolphins coach Nick Saban, a friend and former colleague of ex-Kent State coach Dean Pees, saw enough in Elam's skills during a tryout last month to consider him worth any public-relations risk.

Still a long shot to make the 53-man roster, the 6-foot, 205-pound Elam figures to be a candidate for the practice squad.

"Everyone can fully understand and appreciate that we do our diligence and background checks in finding out as much as possible about any player we bring to this organization, especially when someone has as significant a background issue as this young man," Saban told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.

Saban initially balked at signing Elam for fear of the fallout but changed his mind.

"I didn't think that was really fair to him, based on our research, in what he has done to show he has learned from his lesson and having done a very positive job in trying to get himself moving in the right direction," he said.

As of Tuesday afternoon, Dolphins Senior Vice President Harvey Greene said the team had not received any phone calls or e-mails in protest of Elam's signing.

But Kathy Redmond, president of the National Coalition Against Violent Athletes, criticized the win-at-all-costs attitude she perceives in the NFL and NCAA and hoped the backlash would be so great the Dolphins would reconsider the move and cut Elam.

"It is sad that the Miami Dolphins are so desperate for a winning record that they have to bring yet another sex offender into the state of Florida," Redmond said. "This is a man who … was convicted."

After the first of four separate scheduled trials in the incident in August 2003, a jury found Elam guilty of felony sexual battery and he received an 18-month suspended sentence, 2 years' probation and 200 hours of community service. He was acquitted on charges of conspiracy to commit rape and criminal deviate conduct.

The charges against former Notre Dame players Lorenzo Crawford and Justin Smith were dropped in 2003 after ex-teammate Donald Dykes was acquitted.

Elam returned to his hometown of Riviera Beach, Fla., before enrolling at Kent State last season. He started 11 games and made 64 tackles. More important, he behaved well enough to earn the respect of Pees—who worked under Saban at Michigan State.

Cleveland, New England and Green Bay also researched Elam's past after he went undrafted, but Saban and the Dolphins made the first offer. The NFL does not have a policy forbidding teams from signing convicted felons, although lawmakers such as Wisconsin Rep. Dave Travis have introduced legislation in the past that would make it illegal.

"The problem of athlete violence will continue as long as society in general, and the NFL in particular, keeps rewarding these criminals," the victim in Chicago said.

Dykes, a defensive back who finished his career at Tuskegee University in Alabama, worked out for the Jacksonville Jaguars but has not landed with an NFL team, according to a Tuskegee athletic department spokesman. Not yet anyway.

stkelly52
05-18-2005, 04:09 PM
A player's character should be very important, but it has been three years since the incident, he has fulfilled the sentence that the court handed down to him, and it sounds like he may have straightened up. I have no problem with thier signing him.

Ksyrup
05-18-2005, 04:14 PM
A player's character should be very important, but it has been three years since the incident, he has fulfilled the sentence that the court handed down to him, and it sounds like he may have straightened up. I have no problem with thier signing him.
Me either. Let the man earn a living doing something he does well. I'd rather that than have an angry/depressed ex-convict on the streets. What are we supposed to do - set "prestige levels" or earnings caps on jobs that ex-convicts can take? I realize this was a crime of violence and all, but where's the outrage over Martha Stewart getting a primetime show 6 months after finishing her jail sentence?

I'm not saying everyone should get a free pass, but I don't think there should be a blanket outcasting of these people, either. People like this have too much of their lives left - living amongst us - to just tell them to go away. That will cause nothing but more problems. If he's shown he has changed, then give him a chance.

WSUCougar
05-18-2005, 04:21 PM
I think what Kodos is trying to say is that he desperately wants Dave Wannstedt back on the Dolphin sideline.

DaddyTorgo
05-18-2005, 04:24 PM
Me either. Let the man earn a living doing something he does well. I'd rather that than have an angry/depressed ex-convict on the streets. What are we supposed to do - set "prestige levels" or earnings caps on jobs that ex-convicts can take? I realize this was a crime of violence and all, but where's the outrage over Martha Stewart getting a primetime show 6 months after finishing her jail sentence?

I'm not saying everyone should get a free pass, but I don't think there should be a blanket outcasting of these people, either. People like this have too much of their lives left - living amongst us - to just tell them to go away. That will cause nothing but more problems. If he's shown he has changed, then give him a chance.
has he shown he's changed though? look at the statistics for repeat-offenders of sexual crimes. has he been to counseling? has he had his balls cut off? is he no longer a threat to women? odds are no

Ksyrup
05-18-2005, 04:26 PM
And that's going to change by forcing him to work minimum wage at BK instead of playing football? What would make him less of a threat as a short-order cook than a football player?

Kodos
05-18-2005, 04:29 PM
I think what Kodos is trying to say is that he desperately wants Dave Wannstedt back on the Dolphin sideline.

I'd be more understanding if the violence had been against Dave.

Kodos
05-18-2005, 04:31 PM
I believe playing in the NFL is a privilege, and certain acts like this guy committed should forever remove that privilege. If the NFL rejected violent criminals, more of these guys might keep their nose clean.

Maple Leafs
05-18-2005, 05:12 PM
Saban initially balked at signing Elam for fear of the fallout but changed his mind.
Well... at least he's honest about his priorities.

DaddyTorgo
05-18-2005, 05:23 PM
And that's going to change by forcing him to work minimum wage at BK instead of playing football? What would make him less of a threat as a short-order cook than a football player?
well we're going to cut off his testicles and submit him to electroshock therapy.

well no but i tend to argue that he's in less of a position to be able to get away with further transgressions as a short-order cook. plus playing in the NFL and being a de-facto role model ought to be a privilege not a right. or do we want to teach our young kids that it's okay to do these types of things and that if you have the athletic ability you can make a life for yourself regardless of how many women you rape/drug deals you setup? I don't think that's a good message to send to kids who look up to athletes. like it or not, athletes at the professional level should be held to higher standards.

JonInMiddleGA
05-18-2005, 06:14 PM
Hmm ...
http://www.ndsmcobserver.com/media/paper660/news/2003/09/01/News/Elam-Convicted.Of.Sexual.Battery-455485.shtml
http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/stories/20031008/football/414022.html

Now, read those stories from the time of the incident, then do a little reading between the lines and see if you smell something like "invented controversy" with the new Tribune story.

Also, while I was Googling a little, knowing that definitions usually vary from state to state, here ya go
http://www.earlham.edu/policies/sexual-assault/appendix-a.html
35-42-4-8. Sexual Battery
Indiana State Statute Text
(a) A person who, with intent to arouse or satisfy the person’s own sexual desires or the sexual desires of another person, touches another person when that person is:

(1) compelled to submit to the touching by force or the imminent threat of force; or (2) so mentally disabled or deficient that consent to the touching cannot be given; commits sexual battery, a Class D felony.

Easy Mac
05-18-2005, 06:34 PM
As an aside for my never-ending crusade against Leonard Little:

He beat his latest DUI rap after posting a .136 on a field breathalyzer, but that was inadmissable in court. When he was taken to jail after his arrest, he refused a test there and asked for his lawyer. He was therefore eventually convicted of speeding, and was given 2 years probation on the condition he drinks no more alcohol... if he breaks that, he gets 6 months in jail... on that note, I'm going to do some vehicular manslaughter.

Tigercat
05-18-2005, 06:56 PM
This is how I would summarize Saban and troubled players after following him at LSU:

Player has pattern of troubled behavior - he will not take a chance on for fear of hurting team chemestry.

One mistake, major or otherwise - if the player is talented enough Saban will give him another chance after talking long and hard with the player, but only if its in a place where it wouldn't hurt the teams resources. At LSU this would be an extra scholly he offers to this player that he didn't expect to have, or one scholly in a year when he can offer 25+ players.

So would Saban draft a guy like Cecil in the middle rounds? I don't think so, I don't believe he would draft a guy with such a pattern of troubled behavior. Would he draft a guy with one big questionable incident in the late rounds? If he had the talent, and his team has enough draft picks, without a doubt.

randal7
05-18-2005, 10:09 PM
I believe the NFL and other pro sports leagues should ban players with felony convictions, both to give college atheletes some incentive to keep their noses clean, and because it gives the sport some honor and dignity (usually much needed in pro sports).

Also, this woman recieved some bad advice or should have been given better advice. Anytime a person is a victim of a crime like this, or a family member of a victim (in the case of a murder), that person should obtain a civil judgement against the criminal (i.e. sue him). Criminals from time to time make big money with book/movie deals about their crime, or otherwise come into money (like this guy just might). I'm not a big advocate of civil suits, but this is the sort of case where such a suit is justified.