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[Ben E Lou]

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Depression anyone?
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39123 (http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39123)

This is the reason that the user gave:
This is just unacceptable. Being a dick is one thing, wishing harm on another, especially in a 'reaching out' thread is abhorrent. While HA suffers from a 'look at me' personality, and I can accept that much of what he does is just for shock value, this isn't shocking. It is downright uncalled for and has crossed the line. I suggest a 'reminder' to help him remember where the line is. Of course the call is yours to make. Yes, and I've made my call. See you in July, HA.

[Joe]

someone should start a poll on who the narc is

[Tigercat]

Good call, if I wasn't so lazy I would have reported HA in that thread myself. Note that HJS didn't take offense to HA's original jackassness, afterall the ability for us all to be a jackass on occation helps make FOFC great. But there is being a jackass and being a mean spirited SOB to your fellow poster for no reason whatsoever. No reason to cross over to saying things like that.

[st.cronin]

I was impressed by how when he realized he wasn't being offensive enough, he upped the dosage in his second response.

[Dutch]

I know HA is feeling good about himself right about now, thumping himself on the chest singing, "Who's the man? Who's the man?", but the reality is that the tougher post to make was by HJS, not by HA.

[NoMyths]

Countdown to Shorty protesting the boxing in 3...2...1...

[Passacaglia]

Countdown to Shorty protesting the boxing in 3...2...1...

My money's on Shorty agreeing with this boxing.

[Joe]

so is this banning to the beginning of July, or the end?

[daedalus]

someone should start a poll on who the narc is1) Does it really matter?

2) I wish I had report it but I never saw his posts since I heart the ignore function.

[daedalus]

My money's on Shorty agreeing with this boxing.I'm going to have to go with NoMyths on this one, Pass.

I will wait for QS to provide the betting odds before placing my money one way or the other, though. :D

[Ryan S]

It looks like it is two months, so the end of July.

[cthomer5000]

next time ping coolroy, that might be quicker.

[Eaglesfan27]

Good call.

[Loki]

If you ping someone to tell them they are banned, can they see the post?

[B & B]

Come on, come on get down with the sickness...

[jbmagic]

If you ping someone to tell them they are banned, can they see the post?

i beleive they can only read the forum only

[korme]

My money's on Shorty agreeing with this boxing.
yep, no worries. i've come to learn NoMyths isn't much a fan of me.

[Ben E Lou]

If you ping someone to tell them they are banned, can they see the post?Yes, because he's not banned; he's suspended. In the rare case of a banning, I usually block the culprit's IP address if that is possible to do without blocking a whole bunch of innocents. Suspended users can read the board. It would be silly not to let them read it, because all they'd have to do to be able to read it would be to logout and just show up as a guest. I'm not going to require people to be logged in to read the board.

FWIW, yes the CP is set to 2 months for HA right now, but it is my intention to make his suspension 6 weeks. The problem is that there's not a "six-week" option in the CP.

[korme]

I'm going to have to go with NoMyths on this one, Pass.

I will wait for QS to provide the betting odds before placing my money one way or the other, though. :D
you guys are being dicks to me with blinders on if you really think i would disagree with someone being suspended for hoping another member is hurt. fuck off

[Ben E Lou]

you guys are being dicks to me with blinders on if you really think i would disagree with someone being suspended for hoping another member is hurt. fuck off
{Queuing up "Rowdy" Roddy Piper's music.}

[korme]

{Queuing up "Rowdy" Roddy Piper's music.}
ytea, yea, pay the piper. that's a cool little theme you live by. why do you think i stopped logging in for a month and created a new alias? i was tired of your bullshit. stop trying to bait me into getting suspended, you are about to have an orgasm over the thought.

[Ben E Lou]

stop trying to bait me into getting suspended:confused:

[B & B]

http://www.rock103.com/crew/pics/mousetrap.jpg

[Joe]

:confused:


LOL

[korme]

:confused:
so innocent skydog. man up and say how bad you want me to slip, how badly you want to see me make that mistake that gets me in the box. it's your wet dream. you are just as bad as HA. but you can get away with all your pointless bullshit because you are the big dog.

[Logan]

Just out of curiousity...where does one view who is in the box?

[Ben E Lou]

so innocent skydog. man up and say how bad you want me to slip, how badly you want to see me make that mistake that gets me in the box. it's your wet dream. you are just as bad as HA. but you can get away with all your pointless bullshit because you are the big dog.ROFLMBAO!!!

1. Clearly I think about you FAR less than you think I do.
2. If I DID care enough to want to suspend you, why in the heck would I need to bait you??? That's the part I'm confused about.

[Ben E Lou]

Just out of curiousity...where does one view who is in the box?I'm not 100% sure on this, but I don't think there's a way for everyone to view user groups. The only place I know to see it is in the Admin Control Panel.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Shorty, I think you're reading much more into Ben's "Rowdy Roddy Piper" comment than he meant.

[WSUCougar]

Shorty, you've built a reputation as one who vocally challenges virtually every penalty box or banning incident. Don't act all wounded when you have to reap what you've sown.

Cowboy up.

[Ben E Lou]

Shorty, I think you're reading much more into Ben's "Rowdy Roddy Piper" comment than he meant.If he is, then I'll clarify. I looked at this statement:

you guys are being dicks to me with blinders on if you really think i would disagree with someone being suspended for hoping another member is hurt. fuck offAnd my first thought was, "Well, he's brought it on himself by repeatedly attempting to defend the indefensible." My second was the "Rowdy" Roddy Piper quote that I've often stated here: "When you call the tune, you have to pay the piper." I figured that since Shorty has been around awhile, he would be familiar with said quote, therefore I could put a veiled reference to it, rather than actually quoting it. Considering that pro wrestlers often come into the ring to music, I thought that "queuing up" Roddy's music would be a little humorous.


It sucks when you have to explain your jokes. :(

[sovereignstar]

Cowboy up.
Har!
;)

[cthomer5000]

It sucks when you have to explain your jokes. :(
You've been doing it a lot lately. I mean, Dorothy Kindall? http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[NoMyths]

yep, no worries. i've come to learn NoMyths isn't much a fan of me.You have? Didn't really think I had much of an opinion one way or the other.

[Schmidty]

Stop picking on Shorty. He's a good dude if you people would actually take the time see that.

And I do see certain people's comments toward Shorty to be a bit "trollish". Why mess with the kid before he's even said anything unless your trolling for a flame war or trying to bait him?

[Schmidty]

Dola.

HA deserved a hell of a lot more than 6 weeks for wishing harm on a guy who was hurting and reaching out for help. I'm in the RWBL with the guy, but I'm done with him. People like that have no place in my life.

[Senator]

Hang in there shorty, chances are you will outlive us all.

[SackAttack]

So he got six weeks for telling HomerJ to "get hit by a car."

What about this little nugget?



WHAT? what's wrong with "cowboy up"? this is a text sim website, what fucking pearls of wisdom does he think he's gonna get. i told him to get back up and soldier on, or do you not know what cowboy up means? i wish your mother was pro-choice.

Is that not as offensive, or is this a 'lifetime achievement' suspension?

[Marmel]

Shorty, I told you in the other thread that SkyDog just likes to flex his muscles sometimes.

There was no need to annouce he was going to investigate the ip of jimmy and there was no need to ping HA when a PM would do just as fine (which he says always should be done when there is a problem.)

Don't waste your time Shorty.

[HomerJSimpson]

Shorty, I told you in the other thread that SkyDog just likes to flex his muscles sometimes.

There was no need to annouce he was going to investigate the ip of jimmy and there was no need to ping HA when a PM would do just as fine (which he says always should be done when there is a problem.)

Don't waste your time Shorty.


To be fair, Marmel, I think this is an "explanation to the board," so that when the "why was HA banned" questions come, this thread will be here to explain it. Generally all bannings have had a public explaination, so why should this one be different?

[HomerJSimpson]

And for the record, I would have asked for him to be punished on my account. I had already responded to him as much as I was going to. A person wishing me harm on a messageboard is like a 2 on the scale of 1 to 100 of stresses in my life. I have more aggrivation from not being able to have people understand what I'm saying (not agreeing, just understanding) on messageboards than I do against someone who just being a troll. I agree with SackAttack that HA first attack was much worse, though I see that this one was the one reported.

[st.cronin]

Shorty, you've built a reputation as one who vocally challenges virtually every penalty box or banning incident. Don't act all wounded when you have to reap what you've sown.

Cowboy up.

Brilliant!

[VPI97]

Stop picking on Shorty. He's a good dude if you people would actually take the time see that. Agreed.


Either way, it's just a message board guys...it's supposed to be an enjoyable place to pass the time, not a place to bicker back and forth about things that are ultimately meaningless. If HA went over the line, so be it...but that occurrance shouldn't be an excuse to start up the same ol' back and forth bitching about everything else.

There's plenty of time and opportunities to be pissed off and hold grudges in the real world, why should that extend to a message board where we all voluntarily try to pass the time in a positive way?

I just don't get it.

[Ben E Lou]

there was no need to ping HA when a PM would do just as fine (which he says always should be done when there is a problem.)1. You can't read PM's when you're suspended.
2. Given the serious nature of the thread in which HA got himself suspended, I didn't want to post it in that thread. The inevitable appearance of Shorty would have threadjacked the discussion in that thread.
3. My other option, then, would have been to suspend him, post nothing, IM King Jackoff to tell him, and then wait for the also-inevitable "Why is HA in the Penalty Box?" thread. Since I knew I was going to be afk for a few hours this afternoon, I figured I'd go ahead and let people know exactly why. The Penalty Box is not just punitive, but also preventative, in the sense that when people see that certain behaviors will not be tolerated they might think twice about engaging in said behaviors.

Don't waste your time Shorty.I told him that a long time ago, and got slammed for it, if I recall.

[Ben E Lou]

So he got six weeks for telling HomerJ to "get hit by a car."Actually, the whole of his responses in that thread got him such a long penalty. "Hit by a car" alone wouldn't have brought as harsh a penalty.

[Eaglesfan27]

Agreed.


Either way, it's just a message board guys...it's supposed to be an enjoyable place to pass the time, not a place to bicker back and forth about things that are ultimately meaningless. If HA went over the line, so be it...but that occurrance shouldn't be an excuse to start up the same ol' back and forth bitching about everything else.

There's plenty of time and opportunities to be pissed off and hold grudges in the real world, why should that extend to a message board where we all voluntarily try to pass the time in a positive way?

I just don't get it.
Well said.

[sovereignstar]

Agreed.


Either way, it's just a message board guys...it's supposed to be an enjoyable place to pass the time, not a place to bicker back and forth about things that are ultimately meaningless. If HA went over the line, so be it...but that occurrance shouldn't be an excuse to start up the same ol' back and forth bitching about everything else.

There's plenty of time and opportunities to be pissed off and hold grudges in the real world, why should that extend to a message board where we all voluntarily try to pass the time in a positive way?

I just don't get it.
Dammit, Donnie. Why do you gotta get so smart on us?

[korme]

2. Given the serious nature of the thread in which HA got himself suspended, I didn't want to post it in that thread. The inevitable appearance of Shorty would have threadjacked the discussion in that thread.
Your little potshots are tired and hollow. I already said I agreed with the suspension, so quit trying to get me to say something that is worthy of suspension. And the reason you would need to bait me, as you questioned, is because you know just as well as anyone that you would look like an asshole for suspending me for no reason.

I hear ya, Marmel.

[Ben E Lou]

Your little potshots are tired and hollow.It wasn't a potshot. Marmel had a false view of the reality of the situation, so I was correcting it for him.I already said I agreed with the suspension,That's immaterial. Because of the reputation you have built for yourself, it was inevitable that your name would come up and that you would appear. It happened in this thread, did it not? The same thing would have happened in the other thread. you would look like an asshole for suspending me for no reason.And you SERIOUSLY think that is what stays my hand??? Wow.

[stevew]

6 weeks for telling someone to "get hit by a car?"

[Neuqua]

6 weeks for telling someone to "get hit by a car?"

Did you read the context of the entire thread?

I think it had more to do with someone telling someone to "Get hit by a car"

[stevew]

Did you read the context of the entire thread?

I think it had more to do with someone telling someone to "Get hit by a car"


Yeah, i read it, but I'm struggling to see what he got banned for.

[illinifan999]

Yeah, i read it, but I'm struggling to see what he got banned for.
Probably because telling someone who is asking how to deal with depression to get hit by a car isn't offensive in the least bit. http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

[Buccaneer]

I had thought that Moderator decisions were not discussable (is that a word?)? If explainations were needed, then it should be handled via PM. Besides, publically grandstanding on suspending someone like HA would only give him the attention he craves.

[Chubby]

I had thought that Moderator decisions were not discussable (is that a word?)? If explainations were needed, then it should be handled via PM. Besides, publically grandstanding on suspending someone like HA would only give him the attention he craves.
what is this, hattrick? :D

[Marmel]

I had thought that Moderator decisions were not discussable (is that a word?)? If explainations were needed, then it should be handled via PM. Besides, publically grandstanding on suspending someone like HA would only give him the attention he craves.

That is what I tried to say, but SD always has a rebuttal.

Plus, he PM'd me telling me he was putting me in the box before he did so...

[stevew]

I had thought that Moderator decisions were not discussable (is that a word?)? If explainations were needed, then it should be handled via PM. Besides, publically grandstanding on suspending someone like HA would only give him the attention he craves.


Isn't this thread public grandstanding? HA says a ton of fucked up shit and so do a lot of others around here. I guess I didnt think this deviated too much from his normal responses. Whatever tho.

[Schmidty]

Yeah, i read it, but I'm struggling to see what he got banned for.

I don't need people like you in my life either.

[TargetPractice6]

That is what I tried to say, but SD always has a rebuttal.

Plus, he PM'd me telling me he was putting me in the box before he did so...I didn't get any explanation when I was boxed.

[Schmidty]

I had thought that Moderator decisions were not discussable (is that a word?)? If explainations were needed, then it should be handled via PM. Besides, publically grandstanding on suspending someone like HA would only give him the attention he craves.

Voicing a strong opinion is grandstanding? You and SD are all about personal right and freedoms, IIRC, right?

Interesting.

[Julio Riddols]

Man, I just don't understand why anyone thinks this is a power trip.. Or why people get mad about things that are said on a message board in the first place.. I don't have to agree or disagree with the suspension, HA seems to always be teetering on the edge of good taste and common decency anyway.. But its just odd to me how on a message board such as this, even when people are attacked, people get all testosterony (SP?) about things. It goes in a million different directions, everybody has their buttons.. But on a message board? Really?

My fellow Bengal fans are very easy to frustrate though.. Its been 15 frickin' years!!!!!
But this isn't about Shorty or anyone in particular.. its an easy example to use.

So, everybody, give everybody a break.. Smile and all that good shit.. Lets just try and be happy, eh?

This message has been brought to you by the letters P, A, C, I, F, I, S, and T.

[stevew]

I don't need people like you in my life either.

You love me schmidty

[MIJB#19]

HA had it comin', once again wished somebody to death and earned himself a trip to the sacred FOFC penalty box. If one thing needs to die, it's this thread about one of his greater accomplishments. What else is on?

[jeff061]

He told him to get hit by a car in response to some aggressiveness in his direction, not the initial "serious" post. The aggressiveness was sparked from a "Cowboy Up" comment, and I can only assume everyone misinterpreted his meaning by that.

Whatever though, in general he is an ignorant dick so I'm not crying about it.

[Tigercat]

So we have some people upset over the way SD did something that almost everyone agrees was the right thing to do regardless? Man, elitist message board monitor must rank up there with garbage collector in the thankless job category. At least collecting garbage pays though.

[Buccaneer]

Voicing a strong opinion is grandstanding? You and SD are all about personal right and freedoms, IIRC, right?

Interesting.
The best way to deal with someone like HA is to ignore him and let the moderator/league leadership deal with him accordingly.

[finkenst]

what is this, hattrick? :D
Fine of $300,000!



:D
;)

[SackAttack]

Actually, the whole of his responses in that thread got him such a long penalty. "Hit by a car" alone wouldn't have brought as harsh a penalty.

Lifetime achievement, then. Got it.

[Galaxy]

I feel like this is Formula One and Team BAR-Honda.

[Cringer]

3. My other option, then, would have been to suspend him, post nothing, IM King Jackoff to tell him, and then wait for the also-inevitable "Why is HA in the Penalty Box?" thread.

Who does things like that?

Crazy bastards, all of you.... :p

[Celeval]

Am I the only one who didn't think the original 'cowboy up' comment was offensive?

[Desnudo]

Yes

[Blackadar]

SkyDog's the boss.

Was "cowboy up" offensive? I don't know, but it was in poor-taste. His responses were increasingly offensive.

I think HA's suspension is more of the lifetime achievement award. He's been a jerk for a long time and this time he just said the wrong thing at the wrong time in the wrong thread. I think most of us could get away with the "cowboy up" and most of the other comments but HA's on a shorter leash because he's proven troll. And as someone who's been there, eventually that kind of shit wears on you (as a mod) and you nuke 'em.

I, for one, won't really miss HA (and I've defended him in the past). He's become increasingly trollish. Perhaps he'll learn from this...but I doubt it.

[Bonegavel]

This is ridiculous and no Celeval, you aren' the only one. If folks are too sensitive by comments why the hell post to a public forum?

Thank god I didn't pony up (DON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT THAT PHRASE PLEASE!!!!) money for the software for the board. And to think, this board used to be my first stop on the web.

[Ben E Lou]

Was "cowboy up" offensive? I don't know, but it was in poor-taste. His responses were increasingly offensive.

I think HA's suspension is more of the lifetime achievement award. He's been a jerk for a long time and this time he just said the wrong thing at the wrong time in the wrong thread. I think most of us could get away with the "cowboy up" and most of the other comments but HA's on a shorter leash because he's proven troll. And as someone who's been there, eventually that kind of shit wears on you (as a mod) and you nuke 'em.

I, for one, won't really miss HA (and I've defended him in the past). He's become increasingly trollish. Perhaps he'll learn from this...but I doubt it.Yup....

I can't say for sure, but "Cowboy up," if followed by nothing else from him, might not have gotten any suspension at all, and certainly not a 6-week one. However, combine that comment with "I wish your mother was pro-choice", "I could care less if you're depressed and can't stand the worthlessness your life has become," the rest of his tripe in that thread, and the fact that he's become increasingly trollish lately (posting an inappropriate pic and daring me to ban him, etc...) and there ya have it. There have been times when I've felt the need to ponder whether or not punitive measures were in order, or just a warning. Given the combination nature of the thread, the fact that he kept at it, and his recent behavior, this was not remotely one of those times. This was an easy one.

[Desnudo]

This is ridiculous and no Celeval, you aren' the only one. If folks are too sensitive by comments why the hell post to a public forum?

Thank god I didn't pony up (DON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT THAT PHRASE PLEASE!!!!) money for the software for the board. And to think, this board used to be my first stop on the web.

See ya!

[Blackadar]

Yup....

I can't say for sure, but "Cowboy up," if followed by nothing else from him, might not have gotten any suspension at all, and certainly not a 6-week one. However, combine that comment with "I wish your mother was pro-choice", "I could care less if you're depressed and can't stand the worthlessness your life has become," the rest of his tripe in that thread, and the fact that he's become increasingly trollish lately (posting an inappropriate pic and daring me to ban him, etc...) and there ya have it. There have been times when I've felt the need to ponder whether or not punitive measures were in order, or just a warning. Given the combination nature of the thread, the fact that he kept at it, and his recent behavior, this was not remotely one of those times. This was an easy one.

I sort of figured as much.

People like Bonegavel can feign indignation all they want, but it's much tougher in the line of fire where you have to walk the fine line between "free speech" and trollish behavior. And those who keep pushing that line are eventually going to do one of two things:

1. Get suspended or banned.
2. Push the line of what is or is not acceptable to a place that's uncomfortable for a significant part of the rest of the users. That's how message boards can get out of control.

I won't shed a tear for HA. He's had it coming.

[Bonegavel]

I sort of figured as much.

People like Bonegavel can feign indignation all they want, but it's much tougher in the line of fire where you have to walk the fine line between "free speech" and trollish behavior. And those who keep pushing that line are eventually going to do one of two things:

1. Get suspended or banned.
2. Push the line of what is or is not acceptable to a place that's uncomfortable for a significant part of the rest of the users. That's how message boards can get out of control.

I won't shed a tear for HA. He's had it coming.Or simply put HA on ignore.

SIMPLE.

**edit**

if the ignore feature didn't exist, i think I could agree with this. If you don't like what somebody is saying --- stop reading it. The board makes it really easy.

[Bonegavel]

I noticed a "fuck off" comment in the thread later (before the car thing)... That is ok?

Look, I'm not saying HA's comments weren't cringe-worthy, but if his friend that he could "talk" to said the same thing to him, would he ban him from his life? Maybe. That is the same as putting HA on ignore.

[Blackadar]

Or simply put HA on ignore.

SIMPLE.

**edit**

if the ignore feature didn't exist, i think I could agree with this. If you don't like what somebody is saying --- stop reading it. The board makes it really easy.


Just because you don't hear the tree fall in the woods doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Whether or not you have personally ignored him is immaterial. It has to do with what the social boundaries of the board are (and are going to be). To use your logic, if I post tubgirl (DON'T DO IT!!!) or KKK propoganda on this site, then nothing should happen. After all, I can be put on ignore.

But that wouldn't change that tuboshitgirl or vile racist crap was posted on the site. I'm sure you'd agree that isn't acceptable. And once we've established that there are limits to what can be posted, then it's up to someone to decide what those limits are. And that's the job of the moderators.

In this case, I think they're right. Not for the comments themselves, but for the context and repeated trolling. It's the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Of course, that's all really semantics anyway. It's SkyDogs site and so there really is no freedom of speech or limits beyond what he permits.

[stevew]

I noticed a "fuck off" comment in the thread later (before the car thing)... That is ok?

Look, I'm not saying HA's comments weren't cringe-worthy, but if his friend that he could "talk" to said the same thing to him, would he ban him from his life? Maybe. That is the same as putting HA on ignore.

Apparently so.

[kcchief19]

I'll admit I'm torn on this one, but since I don't feel strongly either way it's not enough for me to get worked up over.

I glanced at the thread early on and saw HA's "cowboy up" comment and thought that it was actually about as heart-felt as you'll get from him. I had no problem with it. That's how some people express caring, even if it's not your cup of tea.

What happened next was unfortunate. Clearly some people didn't like it and ripped him for the comment. HA was clearly provoked and responded how he usually does -- over the top. He was insulted, and I would have been insulted too.

That doesn't defend his actions. I don't disgree with Ben's decision, although I think executed it poorly. I think Ben's always over a barrel on these calls, because he does it privately then everyone wants to know the gory details and if he does it publicly it becomes a spectacle. That said, I think it's fair to say that the 75th post in this thread should have been the first one -- here was the complaint, here's the decision, here's the reason. "See you in July" did make it sound like grandstanding and that he take a bit too much delight in the action, and that's what some people are chapped, and others are chapped because they are always chapped with SkyDog.

[Desnudo]

I enjoy a little theatrics personally. If you don't want to get Skydog all up in your grill then don't act like an asshat. It's pretty simple.

[rkmsuf]

All up in your grill.

You are so street.

[gottimd]

Word to yo' mutha!

[Bonegavel]

I'll admit I'm torn on this one, but since I don't feel strongly either way it's not enough for me to get worked up over.

I glanced at the thread early on and saw HA's "cowboy up" comment and thought that it was actually about as heart-felt as you'll get from him. I had no problem with it. That's how some people express caring, even if it's not your cup of tea.

What happened next was unfortunate. Clearly some people didn't like it and ripped him for the comment. HA was clearly provoked and responded how he usually does -- over the top. He was insulted, and I would have been insulted too.

That doesn't defend his actions. I don't disgree with Ben's decision, although I think executed it poorly. I think Ben's always over a barrel on these calls, because he does it privately then everyone wants to know the gory details and if he does it publicly it becomes a spectacle. That said, I think it's fair to say that the 75th post in this thread should have been the first one -- here was the complaint, here's the decision, here's the reason. "See you in July" did make it sound like grandstanding and that he take a bit too much delight in the action, and that's what some people are chapped, and others are chapped because they are always chapped with SkyDog.Well said. I don't disagree that Ben is in a tight spot but he is a big boy and can handle it.

You obviously can't have the wild west in here or it would hit the absolute low of lows in minutes and wouldn't be worth the one click it takes to get here.

Had HA started with "hit by a car" instead of "cowboy up" then ban his ass for life and I don't think many could/would disagree with that. Just seems that some in that thread are getting a "pass" when they were dickheads in the opposite direction, IMHO.

[Passacaglia]

2. Given the serious nature of the thread in which HA got himself suspended, I didn't want to post it in that thread. The inevitable appearance of Shorty would have threadjacked the discussion in that thread.

I thought you didn't think about Shorty when you make your decisions.

FWIW, I agree with the decision. And I can understand why Shorty's upset. He doesn't disagree with EVERY banning or suspension -- there are several that he does agree with (like this one). It's just that when there are unwise decisions made in that area, and there are several, he's always vocal about calling them out. Maybe if there weren't so many questionable decisions in the past, Shorty would have never got this reputation in the first place.

[Passacaglia]

"See you in July" did make it sound like grandstanding and that he take a bit too much delight in the action, and that's what some people are chapped, and others are chapped because they are always chapped with SkyDog.

I thought it was a bit like grandstanding too, at first, but then I thought that the part he quoted by the person who reported it said it well, and that it summed up the way I felt about it also.

[hhiipp]

You are so street.
And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night
And he learns how to steal
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto

[Suicane75]

And his hunger burns
So he starts to roam the streets at night
And he learns how to steal
And he learns how to fight
In the ghetto
Best......Elvis......Song....Ever

[Blackadar]

Well said. I don't disagree that Ben is in a tight spot but he is a big boy and can handle it.

You obviously can't have the wild west in here or it would hit the absolute low of lows in minutes and wouldn't be worth the one click it takes to get here.

Had HA started with "hit by a car" instead of "cowboy up" then ban his ass for life and I don't think many could/would disagree with that. Just seems that some in that thread are getting a "pass" when they were dickheads in the opposite direction, IMHO.

Last post because this horse is glue.

Were there other asshats? Yes. Did they take it as far as HA? No. Are they known for trollish behavior? No. And that makes all the difference.

If you want to take a snapshot of this picture in time, then did HA deserve the 2 month suspension? Hell no.

But this is really Skydog throwing the book at HA for his many, many asshat trollish comments (I believe some of which he's been suspended for before). The punishment for the 1st conviction of a DWI offense usually isn't as severe as the punishment for the 7th or 10th. Conisder that HA is a repeat offender and then the suspension makes sense.

You can disagree with this particular incident, but I think there are a lot of us who think HA had it coming.

[Desnudo]

You are so street.

Don't step

[Franklinnoble]

I love coming in on Monday morning to a mess like this. I wish I could explain why.

Pardon me while I google pictures of naked chicks getting hit by cars...

[illinifan999]

Don't like the way the board is run? Leave. Not hard to figure out at all. Doubt many would care.

[Flasch186]

this shit is easy.

[st.cronin]

I was hit by a car when I was about 10. I was on a bike and a guy ran a stop sign. I broke my collarbone and had a concussion. I actually don't have any memory of the incident at all, but I needed a new bike.

[Suicane75]

When i was a kid I used to play wiffle ball all the time with my best friend in a church parking lot. One game he hit a HR off of me and as I was running to retrieve the ball he passed me rounding the bases and seeing as how I was a chubby little fuck and he was a stick he offered to run it down for me, so off he goes into the alley and BOOM a car comes flying down and sends him 10 feet in the air. I always felt bad about that, but he used to steal my baseball stickers, so fuck him.

[hhiipp]

^^ lol

[MJ4H]

When i was a kid I used to play wiffle ball all the time with my best friend in a church parking lot. One game he hit a HR off of me and as I was running to retrieve the ball he passed me rounding the bases and seeing as how I was a chubby little fuck and he was a stick he offered to run it down for me, so off he goes into the alley and BOOM a car comes flying down and sends him 10 feet in the air. I always felt bad about that, but he used to steal my baseball stickers, so fuck him.
Oh man I am having a hard time not cracking a rib laughing at this post.

[CHEMICAL SOLDIER]

We havent had a rebellion like this since a certain Kevin Harvick fan grazed the old board.

[JeeberD]

This is far from a rebellion, CS. Hell, there was a bigger uprising when Rufus was banned!

[Bonegavel]

I don't see this as anything but silly.

HA "cowboy up."

OTHER "FUCK YOU"

HA says HA-stuff.

Somebody is offended and reports thread. How many others reported the thread?

HA suspended after being told to "Fuck Off" and responding in the way he always does.

Of course there was no "If you are offended by HA, put him on ignore" or why not just delete his post and make it "Edited by SkyDog" like you've done on many other occasions? If HA continues to post the same shit after you've edited his post then suspsend him.

Simply stating that his is a pattern and go from there when others have said horrible things and are lauded for it as brilliant. Go figure.

[Suicane75]

If HA continues to post the same shit after you've edited his post then suspsend him.
Do you not understand that he's been reprimanded over and over again?

[Bonegavel]

Do you not understand that he's been reprimanded over and over again?And he is allowed back in time and time again because...

[HomerJSimpson]

And he is allowed back in time and time again because...


...Skydog doesn't like to ban anyone. He gave everyone he has put on the banned list plenty of chances to hang themselves, and even allowed a few to come back as alts, and they have been good citizens since. I think HA is on thin ice, but he hasn't come close to the behaviour of those permantly sent into that final twilight.

[Bonegavel]

...Skydog doesn't like to ban anyone. He gave everyone he has put on the banned list plenty of chances to hang themselves, and even allowed a few to come back as alts, and they have been good citizens since. I think HA is on thin ice, but he hasn't come close to the behaviour of those permantly sent into that final twilight.Hey, I'm sorry that you have some issues that you tried to air-out here, but I really wish you would just put people like HA on ignore and let the rest of us make up our own minds about content.

On thin ice? Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM. I live in a great neighborhood but I don't let my 5 year old out of my sight for a second. That is real life. Weirdos out there are doing horrible things to children just turn on the news and you'll see some story about some poor child that will make you cry for a week. That is tragic. Somebody responding to a "fuck off" comment that wasn't warranted on a relatively anonymous forum on the internet is hardly what I'd call "thin ice." Perspective people.

[Suicane75]

Hey, I'm sorry that you have some issues that you tried to air-out here, but I really wish you would just put people like HA on ignore and let the rest of us make up our own minds about content.

On thin ice? Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM. I live in a great neighborhood but I don't let my 5 year old out of my sight for a second. That is real life. Weirdos out there are doing horrible things to children just turn on the news and you'll see some story about some poor child that will make you cry for a week. That is tragic. Somebody responding to a "fuck off" comment that wasn't warranted on a relatively anonymous forum on the internet is hardly what I'd call "thin ice." Perspective people.
Thats specious reasoning. By that logic I could say that you're bitching on an internet forum while so many people are dyeing of cancer. One thing has dick to do with another.

Are you not getting it? He was warned many times to stop his bullshit, he didn't stop, now he's on sabatical.

[WSUCougar]

Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM...Perspective people.
So why are you making such a federal case out of this? Let it drop.

[Bonegavel]

So why are you making such a federal case out of this? Let it drop.Done.

****edit****

oh, and the reason I made a federal case out of it is because I feel the decision is wrong and in many cases it seems that it only matters who you are and not what you say.

[WSUCougar]

It's not the only thing, but it certainly does matter who you are. If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart, we'd all scratch our heads and think that such behavior was uncharacteristic.

It sounds like you want the ban or penalty box line set at the lowest common denominator. I doubt that's where most people on this board would like it.

[JasonC23]

If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart
Please, please, please...

[kcchief19]

The weakest part of the argument about HA's suspension is that it was because it was him. That makes it appear that if someone else had said what he said it would have been OK. If it was OK for someone else to say it, then why not for him? You're holding him to a higher standard because you don't like him. That's not a persuasive argument.

I think Bonegavel's point makes a good case for a brief suspension, not a banning. HA crossed the line and he'll do his time in the box. As I said earlier, I think he was partly provoked, but he chose a bad place and time to stand up for himself. If you don't like what he has to say, use the ignore feature.

HA can be a jerk at times, but I don't think he's anymore of a troll than most of us from time to time. He's not mrskippy or Happy29.

[WSUCougar]

HA can be a jerk at times, but I don't think he's anymore of a troll than most of us from time to time.
With all due respect, I think this is where you are in the minority. Much of what HA posts is at least questionable in my mind, if not worthy of boxing or banning, because it targets individuals. It's one thing to spout off in a general sense, but it's another to be intentionally hurtful to other members of the board.

[JeeberD]

I think Bonegavel's point makes a good case for a brief suspension, not a banning.

It is a suspension, not a banning...

[Suicane75]

I think it is way over the line that Skydog hit HA with a car to punish him.

[stevew]

With all due respect, I think this is where you are in the minority. Much of what HA posts is at least questionable in my mind, if not worthy of boxing or banning, because it targets individuals. It's one thing to spout off in a general sense, but it's another to be intentionally hurtful to other members of the board.


Yes, especially after they tell him to "Fuck off" and direct rude comments towards him. "Cowboy up" isnt even derogatory.

[TargetPractice6]

Yes, especially after they tell him to "Fuck off" and direct rude comments towards him. "Cowboy up" isnt even derogatory.So does the "Fuck you" excuse his other comments that were directed at HJS?

"nevermind, forget i even posted here, i could care less if you're depressed and can't bear to stand the worthlessness your life has become."

"get hit by a car"

Both were directed at HJS who did nothing to deserve such trolling.

[gstelmack]

About the only reason I frequent this forum (aside from the occasional nugget of FOF info that comes through) is because SkyDog keeps a nice lid on things, allowing lots of leeway while still maintaining some boundaries. I for one am very happy with the job he's doing.

I've only ever had to put 3 people on my Ignore list. One's been banned, one's been suspended, and one was thanks to his sig which has since been changed and so I've taken that person off. Without SkyDog, the list would be a lot higher, or I wouldn't be here.

[Franklinnoble]

I live for this shit.

Oh, and I found some interesting stuff when googling naked chicks hit by cars.

Carry on.

[Desnudo]

This thread is the wind beneath my wings

[kcchief19]

So does the "Fuck you" excuse his other comments that were directed at HJS?

"nevermind, forget i even posted here, i could care less if you're depressed and can't bear to stand the worthlessness your life has become."

"get hit by a car"

Both were directed at HJS who did nothing to deserve such trolling. Don't get me wrong -- I think HA stepped over the line and he was going to get what was coming to him. But this is actually supports my belief that people are bashing him for who he is and not what he actually did.

HA never sayd "fuck you" to anybody in that thread. Karim said that to HA after the "cowboy up" post. That to me seemed like a personal, unprovoked attack against HA. It was to that HA replied "I wish your mother was pro-choice." A pretty harsh rebuke, but probably in the same genre as "fuck you" as a retort.

HA's "get hit by a car" comment was in response to this:

HomerJSimpson[/b]]Probably the only friend I have that I can be the most "real" with is not someone who would be helpfull (he is more like HA). Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was pretty harsh. "Get hit by a car" is probably hyperbole -- I don't believe HA actually want anyone to get hit by a car, I think he just said that because it's more his style than saying "Your momma."

HA annoys me plenty, but there are people who annoy me a lot more -- if I had admin powers, every poster of a parody thread would be banned without warning, since the ignore feature doesn't work on those. As I said earlier, I don't disagree with Ben's course of action, although I think it could have been handled better.

I'm moving on because I don't care that much and I don't think prolonging the discussion is fair to HomerJ, HA or SkyDog. This only crosses my radar because as "trolls" go, I'd rather have a HA than some others around here -- at least he's occassionally interesting instead of someone who does nothing but look for fights, copy quotes from other threads, beats the same joke into the ground a 1,000 times or posts porn links.

[Franklinnoble]

What he said:


HA annoys me plenty, but there are people who annoy me a lot more -- if I had admin powers, every poster of a parody thread would be banned without warning, since the ignore feature doesn't work on those. As I said earlier, I don't disagree with Ben's course of action, although I think it could have been handled better.

I'm moving on because I don't care that much and I don't think prolonging the discussion is fair to HomerJ, HA or SkyDog. This only crosses my radar because as "trolls" go, I'd rather have a HA than some others around here -- at least he's occassionally interesting instead of someone who does nothing but look for fights, copy quotes from other threads, beats the same joke into the ground a 1,000 times or posts porn links.
What he meant:


HA annoys me plenty, but not as much as Franklinnoble..

[Raiders Army]

Never thought I'd say it, but some great points, kcchief19. IMHO, "I wish your mother was pro-choice" is much more original and interesting than "Fuck you". :)

[sovereignstar]

Will the next RWBL member please stand up.. please stand up

[Kodos]

Shorty, I told you in the other thread that SkyDog just likes to flex his muscles sometimes.

There was no need to annouce he was going to investigate the ip of jimmy and there was no need to ping HA when a PM would do just as fine (which he says always should be done when there is a problem.)

Don't waste your time Shorty.

I would hate to see a board that Marmel moderated, since no banning or suspension ever seems justified in his mind. Instead, SkyDog is always just being a dictator. Why can't the jerks be jerks without fear of consequences? Here's how I think about moderation on this board, and in a larger sense, about our criminal justice system:

Let's worry a little bit more about the victim's rights, and a little less about the offender's rights.

The preceding announcement was brought to you by citizens to re-elect Kodos... Making the Internet Better One Post at a Time. :)

[Neuqua]

Will the next RWBL member please stand up.. please stand up

: clears throat :

I agree with HA's suspension. Thanks.

: sits back down :

[Tigercat]

The preceding announcement was brought to you by citizens to re-elect Kodos... Making the Internet Better One Post at a Time. :)

Sorry, I am voting for Kang. The ray gun to zap trolls off the message board is too good to pass up.

[Marmel]

I would hate to see a board that Marmel moderated, since no banning or suspension ever seems justified in his mind. Instead, SkyDog is always just being a dictator. Why can't the jerks be jerks without fear of consequences? Here's how I think about moderation on this board, and in a larger sense, about our criminal justice system:

Let's worry a little bit more about the victim's rights, and a little less about the offender's rights.

The preceding announcement was brought to you by citizens to re-elect Kodos... Making the Internet Better One Post at a Time. :)


Brilliant observation. However, if you go back and actually read my post this time, you will notice I did not argue against the suspension for HA. I simply noted how Skydog enjoys grandstanding.

Edit to add: I believe the previous suspension was Franklin, and I never said a word. I think you only call me out because yes I have called out SkyDog a few times for the way he usually recklessly moderates a very good message board, in my opinion.

[Kodos]

But any time anyone is suspended or banned, you cry about SkyDog the dictator. Perhaps a little grandstanding of your own?

[Marmel]

But any time anyone is suspended or banned, you cry about SkyDog the dictator. Perhaps a little grandstanding of your own?


See my edit, and also I only remember complaining about a few suspensions/bannings. Probably 10% of the total that have gone on here.

[Kodos]

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/search.php?searchid=67138

Search on "SkyDog" using Marmel by post. :)

[Bee]

SD,

Cowboy up?

http://members.cox.net/bmuth1/images/cowboyup.gif

[Marmel]

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/search.php?searchid=67140


So I have 12 more posts than you in 4 years about Skydog. :)
Anyway, I was just responding to you using my name specifically and saying I was protesting the banning, and I wanted to clarify that I neither protested nor supported it in my post.
I was suspended for discussing mod. decisions in the forum and was told specifically that all mod decisions should be discussed through PM. The rule obviously does not apply to Skydog and I wanted to make note of that.

edited to add: I am bowing out here too. I didn't post to get into a back and forth defending my position...unless you want to make a poll out of this. :p

[QuikSand]

If out of nowhere Quiksand told somebody to stick their head up their ass and fart, we'd all scratch our heads and think that such behavior was uncharacteristic.

Coug, you have a PM.

[Kodos]

http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/search.php?searchid=67144

You'll notice I don't criticize his moderating at every turn. Although I apparently called him a sticky dictator at some point. :)

[Buzzbee]

edited to add: I am bowing out here too. I didn't post to get into a back and forth defending my position...unless you want to make a poll out of this. :p
PLEASE!!!! No polls about Marmel's positions!! Ewwwwwww.

[Blackadar]

Ya'll shut up or I'm crackin' skulls.

[Bonegavel]

Ya'll shut up or I'm crackin' skulls.Dear skydog,

Blackie threatened us in the Ping:Hell Atlantic thread without the use of non-threatening emoticons.

I fear for my skull as it is in no need of a crack.

Help me Obi-dog-skyobi, you're my only hope.

[st.cronin]

All this thread needs is somebody dumping a beer on Ron Artest.

[korme]

Brilliant observation. However, if you go back and actually read my post this time, you will notice I did not argue against the suspension for HA. I simply noted how Skydog enjoys grandstanding.

Edit to add: I believe the previous suspension was Franklin, and I never said a word. I think you only call me out because yes I have called out SkyDog a few times for the way he usually recklessly moderates a very good message board, in my opinion.
Marmel, you should learn that if you object to anything at all, certain members will remember this and hold you against it for life.

[Kodos]

Marmel, you should learn that if you object to anything at all, certain members will remember this and hold you against it for life.

Especially if you harp and whine about it at every opportunity.


:D

[Bee]

Especially if you harp and whine about it at every opportunity.


:D

nicely played. :D

[Dr. Sak]

I would hate to see a board that Marmel moderated, since no banning or suspension ever seems justified in his mind. Instead, SkyDog is always just being a dictator. Why can't the jerks be jerks without fear of consequences? Here's how I think about moderation on this board, and in a larger sense, about our criminal justice system:


You should make your way over to the JBL board. Marmel does a pretty good job there. There has been some nasty shit said about one another on the JBL board but we all realize one point...it is a message board, don't take it to heart. There are asses out there and in the real world and (not the message board world) you are going to have people say this stuff to your face. So what are you going to do run to mommy and say "please ban him because so-and-so said something mean and hurt my feelings". Give me a break.


: clears throat :

I agree with HA's suspension. Thanks.

: sits back down :

Shut up you bandwagoning pussy. You are just pissed because HA gives you a hard time about your RWBL Cubs. :p

[Dr. Sak]

Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?

Schmidty and his rants have to count for 20 by himself. :D

[sovereignstar]

Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?

[Kodos]

I have to live with jerks in real life. If I can avoid them on the internet, I say go ahead and ban 'em. :)

Mom doesn't visit the internet much, so she can't protect me there.

[Marmel]

Um.. how many guys are in the JBL at any given time?


Sak and Swagg's ALTs count for about 20 as well. :D

[korme]

The ghost of Alan T has been seen swooping around the JBL forums, so you just don't know anymore.

[HomerJSimpson]

Hey, I'm sorry that you have some issues that you tried to air-out here, but I really wish you would just put people like HA on ignore and let the rest of us make up our own minds about content.

On thin ice? Folks, this is an INTERNET FORUM. I live in a great neighborhood but I don't let my 5 year old out of my sight for a second. That is real life. Weirdos out there are doing horrible things to children just turn on the news and you'll see some story about some poor child that will make you cry for a week. That is tragic. Somebody responding to a "fuck off" comment that wasn't warranted on a relatively anonymous forum on the internet is hardly what I'd call "thin ice." Perspective people.


1) I didn't ask for him to be suspended.

2) I actually suggested people ignore him.

3) I will gladly let you make up your mind on what to read. I never suggested otherwise. You asked why Skydog didn't "ban" him and I answered. That is all I did.

[illinifan999]

Done.
in many cases it seems that it only matters who you are and not what you say.
Yep, ain't life a bitch?

[HomerJSimpson]

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that was pretty harsh. "Get hit by a car" is probably hyperbole -- I don't believe HA actually want anyone to get hit by a car, I think he just said that because it's more his style than saying "Your momma."


Really? "Harsh?" Telling a depressed person to "Cowboy up" is sort of like telling a drowning person to "start swimming." If he could, he would. My comment was an appropriate illustration, and not even meant to be a slam on HA. I don't expect HA has ever dealt with clinical depression, so I really didn't take offense to his statement. I understand some people don't get it.

[Flasch186]

again, this shit is easy.

[korme]

TEAM SHORTY HOO-RAH

[Desnudo]

So what are you going to do run to mommy and say "please ban him because so-and-so said something mean and hurt my feelings". Give me a break.

The difference comes in two parts. One is that you can't slug someone over the internet. The second is that the shit that sometimes gets talked over the internet would never get said face to face, because of number one. There needs to be another solution.

[DanGarion]

I don't need people like you in my life either.
HA responds with "cowboy up"

He also says he wishes someone's mom was pro choice.

HJS responds by calling out HA that his input is useless

HA is upset and says "get him by a car".

I've seen much worse get ignored.

[DanGarion]

: clears throat :

I agree with HA's suspension. Thanks.

: sits back down :


I think he meant current ;).

[Neuqua]

I think he meant current ;).

you still love me just the same

[Raiders Army]

I believe the last PMs between Skydog and HA was something like this:

I've been waiting for you, Hell Atlantic. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the poster; now I am the moderator.

Only a moderator of evil, Dawg.

Your powers are weak, old man.

You can't win, Dawg. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

This thread is proof that HA continues to influence the board long after his box time has started. :)

[WSUCougar]

And oooh, I'm all goose-bumply about it.

[Bonegavel]

This thread is proof that HA continues to influence the board long after his box time has started. :)As always, brother RA, very nice.

Star Wars is applicable in so many applications it isn't funny.

[Desnudo]

I believe the last PMs between Skydog and HA was something like this:









This thread is proof that HA continues to influence the board long after his box time has started. :)

I would compare it more to Dark Helmet versus Barfolemew 'Barf'