OT - So my friend says he can build me a computer

[Flasch186]

We would just go to Newegg.com and buy all of the parts and he can save me 50-60%....then the other friend said, "but it still wont run as smooth as buying one from Dell." that the parts and drivers aren't made for eachtoher and there likely will be maintenance issues. Is this true. The builder said it's pretty much just plugging in, playing with stuff, and loading the proper stuff on the computer....someone enlighten me please. thanks.

[BrianD]

If your first friend knows what he is doing, you should be fine. I doubt you'll save as much as 50%, but you could save some. I build all of my computers, and they run as good or better than any pre-built computer. If your friend doesn't know what he is doing, you could end up with a cheap POS.

What are you looking to do with this computer? If you are looking for a lot of gaming, Dell probably isn't the way to go. If you are looking for an office PC, Dell will be much better than trying to build your own.

[wishbone]

Dell doesn't make the hard drives, video cards or anything else that goes into their systems. They are an assembler and shipper of systems, but they have shown that they can do it very well. My personal opinion is that you can match their $500 PCs pretty easily (including legal OS), you can save $500 vs their $1500 PCs and you can save $1000+ vs. their $3000 systems.

The other consideration is support, Dell will be there 24*7 (not talking about support quality here), will your friend? I personally tell my family that I can build it, but am not on-call and will not support them over the phone, I get enough of that at work. I tell 'em to get a Dell or whatever if they need that kind of support.

[Greyroofoo]

I bought a Dell almost a year ago. It cost me about as much to buy the Dell as it would've for me to build it myself. However the comp kept on developing problems (such as not even turning on!). Dell sent out repair-guys to my house as part their warranty. Problems kept on persisting until they sent out the guy for the 4th time. Which fixed the problem

[BrianD]

I bought a Dell almost a year ago. It cost me about as much to buy the Dell as it would've for me to build it myself. However the comp kept on developing problems (such as not even turning on!). Dell sent out repair-guys to my house as part their warranty. Problems kept on persisting until they sent out the guy for the 4th time. Which fixed the problem

This is why the person that builds the computer has to be good. Dell support is pretty crappy, but they are always available. They tend to get things right eventually. If you build your own, you are on your own for support.

[Riggins44]

I used to always build mine, but I bought a Dell 2 years ago and have been more than happy with it.

My old saying on the matter (ok, I've never said it):

If you can't build it yourself, go buy one.

[jeff061]

Only difference is if something goes wrong you'll have to go to your friend rather than give Dell a call.

[McSweeny]

i've built the last two computers i've owned and saved myself a bunch of money. I've also had no real problems with either of them. There's a certain satisfaction to building your own

[HomerJSimpson]

i've built the last two computers i've owned and saved myself a bunch of money. I've also had no real problems with either of them. There's a certain satisfaction to building your own


I've built my last three. I also have a friend who is very tech-savy to help me, and he can RMA parts if we do run into problems. I agree with what everyone else is saying though. Dell doesn't make the best gaming systems, you can build your own and save money, but if you don't feel like your friend will always be available in case of problems then you should go the "buy" route.

[Flasch186]

are problems common though, moreso than with buying from a big guy?

[HomerJSimpson]

are problems common though, moreso than with buying from a big guy?


All computers have potential from problems, whether you buy or build. Some parts are just quirky, memory sticks are sometimes shipped with flaws, motherboards have slight damage, etc. People who buy from the big guys have as many problems as the build people IMHO, but it is up to the big guys to fix it if you buy it from them. If you have a problem with a "build" part, you are going to need to figure out which part it is and return it.

Example: I got a bad motherboard on my last major overhaul. It took a while to figure out what it was(about 2 hours), and then I had to make the 1 1/2 hour round trip to replace it.

[Desnudo]

You can always call a local computer guy to come out and fix your computer if something goes wrong. Of course you won't get the warranties and whatever else comes with purchasing a pre-built model.

[timmynausea]

I have never bought a Dell. I had a friend of mine build my last computer, and I built my own this time around. In both cases I saved a ton of money. The only problem I had was an issue with a VIA chipset. Basically their AGP drivers don't work properly, and they're not going to fix it, so I just replaced the motherboard and everything is perfect now. Steer clear of VIA.

[damnMikeBrown]

It's been mentioned multiple times that Dell isn't the place to go to get a good gaming rig.

I'll be in the market for one in the next 6 months or so. What companies are known to be solid suppliers at inexpensive prices for 'em?

[jeff061]

Dell's XPS line is fine for gaming. You're just forced to go with an Intel cpu, while it's not as good as AMD its still no slouch.

But my personal preference is to build it myself.

[PilotMan]

I have built my last 3 systems, and have put together computers for family. It can be a frustrating adventure but I actually enjoy it. The amount of money that you actually save is getting less and less versus just buying a new system, and depending on support you may want to consider a named system.

Your second friend is wrong. There is no higher incedence of problems between hardware and software in a self built system. Now, if your first friend sucks. Thats another story. You can actually get the system to run better, because the set up will be exactly what you want to run and you can keep the processor from running programs you will not need, wasting resources that could be used for other things.

[Eaglesfan27]

Dell's XPS line is fine for gaming. You're just forced to go with an Intel cpu, while it's not as good as AMD its still no slouch.

But my personal preference is to build it myself.
I'm very happy with my Dell XPS. I spent a boatload of money on it (adding all of the best add-ons), but it is a premier gaming computer. Also, I've noticed that in comparision to when I bought a cheap computer from Dell, I'm getting incredibly good service. There is some special number I call for service because I have the XPS, and it is just phenomenal.

[Cringer]

Is Dell the only computer company left? I mean damn, that is all I hear any more.

[Galaxy]

Is Dell the only computer company left? I mean damn, that is all I hear any more.

Dude, you're getting a Dell!

By the way, I went with HP for my laptop.

[TazFTW]

I'll be in the market for one in the next 6 months or so. What companies are known to be solid suppliers at inexpensive prices for 'em?
I was going to mention Alienware but then you said inexpensive. You could take a look at www.ibuypower.com (http://www.ibuypower.com) . I heard good things about them a few years ago, I am not sure how they are now.

[Bee]

How much you save depends on how good of a machine you want to buy. If you are buying a cheap computer, it's hard to beat the Dell prices if you get one on sale. I picked up a computer for my wife about 6 months ago from Dell for around $350 shipped when it was on sale and using a coupon I got in the mail. I priced out the components for an equivalent system through Newegg and the equivalent components were $370 shipped.

Now if you are wanting a high end (or even mid-level) computer, then you can save some money compared to the Dell prices by building it yourself.

[jeff061]

I think pricewise and support wise Dell is the only worthwhile OEM vendor these days. Gateway, Hp and others are around, however I have had bad experiences with them. Both at home and at business.

Laptops are another story, there are a few options there.

[Blackadar]

There's no dobut that you can save money building your own - especially mid-level or higher gaming machines - but it's not going to be 50%. The labor markup for assembly isn't that much. It's more like 10% (or so) for an equivalent machine, so make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

Building your own machine isn't very hard. It's not *very* easy either.

[jeff061]

Its always easy, until the first time you hit the power button :).

[hhiipp]

Its always easy, until the first time you hit the power button :).
WTF is a beep beep beep, beeeeeeeep, beep beep?!?!?!? :)

[Blackadar]

WTF is a beep beep beep, beeeeeeeep, beep beep?!?!?!? :)

That's better than your new 'puter sounding like a box of Rice Krispies.

*Snap* *Crackle* *Pop*!

[BrianD]

That's better than your new 'puter sounding like a box of Rice Krispies.

*Snap* *Crackle* *Pop*!

I did that with one of my computers. I didn't know it at the time, but when I unscrewed the mouse (back in the days when mice used a 9-pin connector), the washer inside the case came loose and dropped into and open slot. Next time I hit the power...shorted out the motherboard.

[Blackadar]

I did that with one of my computers. I didn't know it at the time, but when I unscrewed the mouse (back in the days when mice used a 9-pin connector), the washer inside the case came loose and dropped into and open slot. Next time I hit the power...shorted out the motherboard.

I used to test telecommunications computer boards (in a past life). I'd test 100s at a time - but only a few times per year. The proceedure involved testing them live. If they didn't work, you had to turn the power off, short out the capacitor and reload the program.

About once every 6 months, I'd test a batch and forget to turn off the power before shorting it out. Ah, the smell of burnt electronics...and it would join its brethern in the "hit by lightening" pile. :)

[sabotai]

are problems common though, moreso than with buying from a big guy?
In my own, personal experience, I've had more problems with computers bought from companies than the ones I've built myself. In fact, I don't think I've ever really had a problem with a system I built, except for when a part dies on me. But then again, I know what I'm doing. If you don't know what you're doing (or if your friend doesn't know what he's doing), then you'll probably get a ton of problems.

Not that building your own system is hard, it just takes one thing done wrong to give you multiple headaches at various times down the road.

[Samdari]

Dell's XPS line is fine for gaming.

No, its not. With Dell, you ALWAYS get a crappy motherboard and inadequate power supply. So, for a gaming rig, you pay $1000 more, and then need to spend another $100 on the PS, and if you could put everything onto a replacement motherboard, why aren't you building your own computer in the first place.

[jeff061]

Please, there's no way its even near a $1000 difference maybe 300, you don't need much for a motherboard and the power supply is tested for the hardware its shipped with.

If you plan on doing some upgrades, then yeah its total crap, but if you're buying a Dell this isn't you. Why aren't you building a computer? Support issues, ease of purchase and lack of computer knowledge. Only reason Flasch isn't going with a Dell is cause he has a friend with some knowledge.

I've built every system I've bought in the last 8 years, doesn't mean I can't understand why someone would want to go the Dell route, and an XPS is fine. The speed is fine and Dell is not going to ship parts that will cause mass system failures(such as insufficient PSU's), thus increasing their support costs.

[Samdari]

Please, there's no way its even near a $1000 difference maybe 300, you don't need much for a motherboard and the power supply is tested for the hardware its shipped with.

The group I work with was contractually obligated to purchase Dell computers for about 5 years. Many of the systems are still in use. The Power Supplies that shipped with the machines did not meet Intel's minimum requirements for the processors installed in the 10 or so instances I checked. They also did not meet their stated outputs (not uncommon in PS's, but still, when they don't deliver stated power that is insufficient to begin with, you have a problem).

Go price a $3000 XPS. You can build the same machine for $2000, with a name brand, you know what you are getting motherboard, every time.

I am not saying that building their own is for everyone, I would just recommend to everyone, even the most tech phobic, to find another company to build your machine for you. A smaller one, as all of the big manufacturers use custom motherboards and other "non-buzzword" components that are of the lowest quality, to save a few bucks. You are better off with any custom builder chosen at random off of the internet.

[dl5175]

I recently built my first rig. anandtech.com is a great site you will find alot of info about building a system and maintaining it yourself. I was a complete idiot with computers before I found that site. Now I won't let anyone build for me. If you do not want to do it you can find enough info to make sure your friend does it correctly. Check out that site for a few days before deciding. Do a site search on Dell while you are there, you will be happy you did.

[MizzouRah]

Building is much better than buying anything Dell, HP, IBM, Compaq, or Gateway can build you. They use the cheapest parts, cheapest labor, etc.. BUT I would agree that if you're unfamiliar with or don't know anyone who knows pc repair and software installations, a company build pc might be easier for you to maintain.

For the price of the friggin Dell XPS, I could build a PC faster and have enough cash for an LCD monitor. Way OVERPRICED, imo.

If you get parts from say, Newegg.. just remember to printout everything and keep all receipts and conformation emails.


Todd

[sterlingice]

Seems kindof topical:

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/477102/

Tomorrow morning, Dell is running a $750 off select $1500+ laptops. The good ones tend to sell out quite quick so you'll have to be on early tomorrow.

SI

[MizzouRah]

Seems kindof topical:

http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/477102/

Tomorrow morning, Dell is running a $750 off select $1500+ laptops. The good ones tend to sell out quite quick so you'll have to be on early tomorrow.

SI
Just as long as the model does NOT have a "D" in it. D400, D600, etc.. they have a USB system board issue that will pop up and requires a system board replacement. When does that pop up? About the time your warranty expires. I guess it's good MCI here in Missouri took out the extended contract. Plus, we've had tons of hard drives going bad.

Todd

[Sidhe]

I didn't know squat about building a computer but I wanted a good rig for recording. I built an AMD 64 3200+ system. It ran from the first second. The only problems I ever have with it are when I try to overclock or set the mem speeds higher. And that's down to my cheapo mem sticks I know now.

It was easy, but I did a lot of research. I made sure I got the system I wanted, and that others had tested the parts together. Dell wouldn't have made it, but the DAW builders who would have would have charged three times what I paid for the parts.

This is one decision I haven't regretted once.

[Flasch186]

this is what i got...

Item List

VGA ATI|RDN AIW X800XT 100-714200 - Retail (Qty=1,Price=$389.00)
CPU P4/3.0EGHz 800M 478P/1MB HT RT - Retail (Qty=1,Price=$184.99)
DDR2 CORSAIR 2x512MB |VS1GBKIT533D2 - Retail (Qty=2,Price=$192.00)
HD 120GB|WD 7200 WD1200JD 8MB OEM - OEM (Qty=1,Price=$88.00)
CDRW/DVD COMBO SONY CRX320E BLACK % - OEM (Qty=1,Price=$30.99)
DVD+/-RW 16X SONY DW-D26A BK % - OEM (Qty=1,Price=$47.99)
SOUND BLASTER AUDIGY 2 VLE|CRTVE RT - Retail (Qty=1,Price=$59.99)
*CASE ROSEWILL|TU-155S BLACK 400W - Retail (Qty=1,Price=$52.99)
MB ASUS P4P800-E DELUXE 865PE RET - Retail (Qty=1,Price=$114.00)

Subtotal: $1,159.95
TAX: $0.00
Shipping and Handling Charge**: $34.92
Total: $1,194.87


any opinions....

[Riggins44]

Just be reminded that if anything goes wrong you may develop harsh feelings toward your friend. I had a friendship go sour after a friend of mine promised to build me the ultimate pocket pussy. Grass clippings and a sock... :rolleyes:

[PilotMan]

Good luck, I hope that it works out for you. As long as its what you want, then you should be happy with it. I would be.

[cthomer5000]

I'd go for a bigger HD personally, because they're pretty damn cheap. Also, i filled my 160 gig drive way faster than I expected.

[Sidhe]

That's what pr0n'll do..

I'd sink TWO HDs in there. I've got three in mine.

[damnMikeBrown]

Which one of those is the Video Card?

[TazFTW]

Which one of those is the Video Card?
VGA ATI|RDN AIW X800XT 100-714200 - Retail (Qty=1,Price=$389.00)

[sabotai]

DDR2 CORSAIR 2x512MB |VS1GBKIT533D2 - Retail (Qty=2,Price=$192.00)
Is this 2 sticks on 512MB RAM (totaling 1GB RAM) or 2 sticks totaling 512MB RAM?

IMO, you might as well go for 1GB RAM.

[TazFTW]

That's 2 GB of ram. He's buying 2, 2 X 512MB kits (2 512MB ram chips in one package).

[sabotai]

In that case, you better double check to make sure the motherboard you are buying has at least 4 RAM slots. A lot only have 3.

[Flasch186]

In that case, you better double check to make sure the motherboard you are buying has at least 4 RAM slots. A lot only have 3.

we did....I sat there with the friend and we looked at the pic of the motherboard and he pointed out what was what. He is also going to have me help him build it so that if I ever want to make changes I can...or try to build the next one myself. Tsk tsk, he's also giving me a ton of software...dreamweaver and the like eventhough I dont know how to use it :)

[jeff061]

Good luck, I have some qualms about that configuration :).

I'm anal about this stuff though, youll be happy with your new system.

[Flasch186]

what qualms? I could always make a change at this point.

[jeff061]

Well, If you have a choice (IE: not going with Dell), there is no reason to get an Intel.
Athlon 64 3000 = faster for $150
Athlon 64 3200= Same price, a lot faster.

And if he says AMD runs hot you can pre-empt him and tell him that Intel actually runs hotter these days ;).

You should also always strive to go with 2 sticks of ram, not less and not more. You can run 2 sticks of memory in dual channel mode for a bit of a performance increase. You can't with 1,3, or 4 sticks. When I bought my system I bought 2 1gb sticks for this reason.

Either way though, it's still a fast and capable system.

[timmynausea]

I always go with AMD also. I agree with the others who say bigger hard drive. I like that you're going with an Asus motherboard, though. I've always had good experiences with Asus.

[sterlingice]

You should also always strive to go with 2 sticks of ram, not less and not more. You can run 2 sticks of memory in dual channel mode for a bit of a performance increase. You can't with 1,3, or 4 sticks. When I bought my system I bought 2 1gb sticks for this reason.
Yeah, it always seems that third stick just messes up on systems I've done before never mind a 4th stick. Better to do 2x 1GB unless it's really cost prohibative. Or just 2x512MB- that's not going to kill your performance by any stretch of the imagination.

SI