WSOP Pool

[larrymcg421]

Last year we had a WSOP pool for the main event, but I thought it would be more interesting if we did a pool for the entire event. Here's the idea:

1) You may pick 10 Poker players
2) To make it more interesting, you have to pick at least one female and one non-bracelet winner among your 10.
3) You will score one point for every $1,000 that player earns in an event. For example, last year, someone would have scored 5,000 points in the Main event if they had Greg Raymer.
4) Pick one player from your list as the person you think will win the WSOP. If you correctly pick this, then you are an automatic winner (and the highest pts person will be 2nd place).

We're starting a little late, so we'll have to skip the first couple events. The first even that will count is Event #4, the WSOP Limit Hold Em. Therefore, all picks must be in by Sunday noon which is when that tourney begins.

You can search for bracelet winners at - http://www.pokerpages.com/pokerinfo/tournamentgallery/wsop/bracelet-winners01.htm

Reply here with your selections....

[cthomer5000]

The main event should have a ridiculsouly large number of entrants this year.

[NAIWF]

Female - Annie Duke

Non Bracelet - Marcel Luske

The rest - Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey, Howard Lederer, Scott Fischman, Greg Raymer, Phil Hellmuth, Chris 'Jesus' Ferguson & Eric Lindgren.

Main Event winner - Daniel Negreanu

[SirFozzie]

Mine:

Female: Kathy Liebert
Non Bracelet winner: David Williams

Other: James Kelleher (WSOP), Devilfish Elliot, Phil Hellmuth, Dan Harrington, Ted Forrest, Amir Vahedi, Chris Tsiprailidis, Minh Nguyen

[larrymcg421]

Female - Annie Duke

Non Bracelet - Marcel Luske (?) - is there anyway to confirm this without having to do a major internet search?

The rest - Daniel Negreanu, Phil Ivey, Howard Lederer, Scott Fischman, Greg Raymer, Phil Hellmuth, Chris 'Jesus' Ferguson & Eric Lindgren.
Marcel Luske has not won a bracelet. I posted a link in the top post where you can search for bracelets winners. Also, you forgot to pick your Main Event winner prediction.

[Chubby]

Female: Annie Duke
Non Bracelet: Alex Brenes
Other: Howard Lederer, Gus Hansen, Phil Ivey, Daniel Negreanu, Johnny Chang, Erik Seidel, Doyle Brunson, Al Krux (went to HS with his one son)
Main Event Winner: Gus Hansen

[SirFozzie]

Last year we had a WSOP pool for the main event, but I thought it would be more interesting if we did a pool for the entire event. Here's the idea:

1) You may pick 10 Poker players
2) To make it more interesting, you have to pick at least one female and one non-bracelet winner among your 10.
3) You will score one point for every $1,000 that player earns in an event. For example, last year, someone would have scored 5,000 points in the Main event if they had Greg Raymer.
4) Pick one player from your list as the person you think will win the WSOP. If you correctly pick this, then you are an automatic winner (and the highest pts person will be 2nd place).

We're starting a little late, so we'll have to skip the first couple events. The first even that will count is Event #4, the WSOP Limit Hold Em. Therefore, all picks must be in by Sunday noon which is when that tourney begins.

Reply here with your selections....

I don't see a link for non bracelet winners you mentioned

[larrymcg421]

I don't see a link for non bracelet winners you mentioned
Impatient! :)

It's there now.

[larrymcg421]

Mine:

Female/Non Bracelet winner: Kathy Liebert

Other: James Kelleher (WSOP), Devilfish Elliot, Phil Hellmuth, Tuan Le, Dan Harrington, Ted Forrest, Amir Vahedi, Chris Tsiprailidis, Minh Nguyen
Kathy Liebert has won a bracelet.

[SirFozzie]

fixed it

[NAIWF]

Marcel Luske has not won a bracelet. I posted a link in the top post where you can search for bracelets winners. Also, you forgot to pick your Main Event winner prediction.

Thanks for the link, and I updated my list with a winner.

[Lathum]

Female-cindy violette

Non braclet-Gus Hansen

Others- Negreanu, Lederer, Nick Frangos, Luske, Moneymaker, Jesus, Esfandiari, Ted Forrest

Winner- Esfandiari

[GoldenEagle]

If I get into the pool, I expect some people to pick me. :)

[QuikSand]

Female: Evelyn Ng
Non-Bracelet: Gus Hansen

Others: Daniel Negreanu, Chris Ferguson, Antonio Esfandiari, Ted Forrest, Chau Giang, John Juanda (final event winner), Phil Ivey, Phil Hellmuth

[TLK]

Female- Jennifer Harman (my insatiable crush :))
Non-Bracelet- John Phan

Others- Chris Ferguson, Dan Harrington, Erick Lindgren, Michael Mizrachi, David Sklansky, Layne Flack (WSOP ME winner), Huck Seed, and Howard Lederer

[hoopsguy]

Female - Jen Harman
Non-Bracelet - Erick Lindgren

Others - Ivey, Michael Mizrachi, Greenstein, Forrest, Negreanu, David Chiu, Chau Giang, and Josh Arieh (ME).

[Lathum]

I like the picks for the grinder, he is on fire right now

[larrymcg421]

Here's mine:

Female - Annie Duke
Non-Bracelet - Gus Hansen (ME Winner)
Others - Howard Lederer, Phil Ivey, Doyle Brunson, Dan Harrington, John Hennigan, John Juanda, Daniel Negreanu, Barry Greenstein

[larrymcg421]

bump, we have 3 and a half hours

[larrymcg421]

Event #4 is down to 15 people. Looks like everyone relevant has been eliminated. Those who had Hellmuth get 4.2 pts and those who had Duke get 10.135 (yes, I am gonna be that anal).

[hoopsguy]

Event #5 is down to final table and none of our people appear to have made it this far.

Grinder 3.375 points.
Ivey 2.410 points.

Didn't see any of the other names in the money for this event.

Are there any worries about spoiling events for people who might read the thread up until the big game? Obviously the information is out there for people who want to find it ...

[Lathum]

I think if you are reading this thread you are probably interested enough to follow the results

[larrymcg421]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>53</TD><TD>"Prince of Docness" (Santa Cruz, CA, USA)</TD><TD align=right>$2,410</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Whatever, dude.

[Lathum]

I was trying to figure that one out also

[Lathum]

Sweet, I got 2 decent money finishes in the 6 handed no limit holdem tourney.

[larrymcg421]

The people who have Esfandiari are gonna get some good pts out of this one. At least I had Juanda, and Duke in Event #4, so I'm off to a decent start.

[Lathum]

did the magician win?

[larrymcg421]

did the magician win?No but he's got 3rd largest out of 13 left. Some other notable people still around as well, including Harry Demetriou, David Singer, and Mel Judah. I don't think any of us picked them, though.

[hoopsguy]

Rocks and rings. He is so 1.4.

[hoopsguy]

63.020 points for the Magician.

[larrymcg421]

Go Harry Demetriou! I didn't pick him, but I really enjoyed watching him on ESPN's coverage last year.

[larrymcg421]

34 people left in Event #7, including Hoyt Corkins, Barry Greenstein, Phil Gordon, David Williams (yay!), and Annie Duke. Points scored so far:

Jennifer Harman 5.285

[korme]

Dammit, I guess I can't play?

[larrymcg421]

Actually, I shouldn't have cut it off. Instead, anyone can go ahead and make your picks, but you can't score pts for any tourney that started before you made your picks.

[larrymcg421]

David Williams 7.705
Annie Duke 7.705
Hoyt Corkins (anyone pick him?) 11.010

[timmynausea]

Female - Jennifer Harmon
Non-Bracelet - Gus Hanson
Other - Howard Lederer, Dan Harrington, Daniel Negreanu, Chris Ferguson, Phil Hellmuth, Erik Seidel (ME), Minh Nguyen and Phil Gordon.

[larrymcg421]

Barry Greenstein 11.010

And I think we're all done for this event. Rooting for Phil Gordon.

[larrymcg421]

Event #8 (7 Card Stud):

Chris Ferguson 2.610

No one else we picked is still left.

For those of you who still want to participate, the points scored so far are pretty miniscule. As the fields and buy ins both get larger, more pts will be scored. These early events probably won't matter so much in the long run in regards to who wins the contest.

[hoopsguy]

The 2K no-limit hold-em event is down to 49 and has a bunch of our players in it.

Violette 2nd in chips with 133k
Giang 77,900
Seidel 60,800
Grinder 60,000
Luske 35,500

Other name guys in contention are Demetriou, Joe Awada, Dutch Boyd, John Bonetti, and David Plastik.

I don't think anyone has any of the roughly 100 people who have already cashed.

[timmynausea]

I should've picked Bonetti. That guy is funny.

[Honolulu Blue]

For those of you who still want to participate, the points scored so far are pretty miniscule. As the fields and buy ins both get larger, more pts will be scored. These early events probably won't matter so much in the long run in regards to who wins the contest.

Well, since you invited me, I'll accept the challenge. I picked mostly favorites, folks who have seemed hot lately, and people who figure to participate in a lot of events. Sorry I'm so unoriginal. Don't take any of this seriously:

WOMAN - Kathy Liebert
NON-BRACELET WINNER - Marcel Luske
YOUR 2005 WSOP MAIN EVENT WINNER (ha!) - Humberto Brenes
THE OTHER GUYS - Phil Hellmuth, Scott Fischman, Chris Ferguson, Antonio Esfandiari, Daniel Negreanu, Dan Harrington, Gus Hansen

[hoopsguy]

Event #9 - No-Limit Hold'em
Winner: Seidel - 611.795
2nd: Violette - 295.970
And there were other players from our lists that cashed. Larry, are you going to provide some kind of an updated standings from time to time on this one?

[larrymcg421]

Yeah, I'll do a current standings tonight.

[timmynausea]

Sweet. Seidel is awesome. It looks like me and Chubby are the only two that have him.

[Lathum]

I had Violette! Not bad for the female in my group.

[hoopsguy]

Seidel is at another final table - 2K Pot Limit Omaha
Seidel, Arieh, and Ferguson are the players in our pool that have made it this far.

[Chubby]

Sweet. Seidel is awesome. It looks like me and Chubby are the only two that have him.
he is VERY solid IMO and I"m glad he's on a tear :)

[larrymcg421]

Haven't calculated the results yet, but here's a list of the players who scored pts so far. I probably have some people that weren't picked, but hopefully this includes everyone that was picked.

Event #4

Annie Duke - 10.135
David Chiu - 7.240
Phil Hellmuth - 4.200
Alan Goehring - 1.590

Event #5

Minh Nguyen - 19.290
Carlos Mortenson - 8.680
Michael Mizrachi - 3.375
Phil Ivey - 2.410

Event #6

Antonio Esfandiari - 63.020
Mel Judah - 12.605
John Juanda - 10.085
Cyndy Violette - 8.825

Event #7

Phil Gordon - 66.055
Barry Greenstein - 11.010
Hoyt Corkins - 11.010
Annie Duke - 7.705
David Williams - 7.705
Jennifer Harman - 5.285
Scott Fischman - 5.285
Freddie Deeb - 4.405

Event #8

Minh Nguyen - 24.805
Chris Ferguson - 2.610

Event #9

Erik Seidel - 611.795
Cyndy Violette - 295.970
Marcel Luske - 12.910
Michael Mizrachi - 7.485
Freddie Deeb - 2.840
Men Nguyen - 2.325

Event #10

Daniel Negreanu - 3.665

Event #11

Freddie Deeb - 59.615
Phil Gordon - 4.970
TJ Cloutier - 2.890

Event #12 (so far)

Michael Mizrachi - 13.875

[hoopsguy]

Event #12
Arieh - 381.600
Ferguson - 210.460
Seidel - 23.130
Juanda - 11.565
Grinder already listed above.

Into the money at this point in Event 13. Will post some totals through 12 momentarily ...

[hoopsguy]

Points for Events 4-12.
Seidel - 634.925
Arieh - 381.600
Violette - 304.795
Ferguson - 213.065
Gordon - 70.845
Esfandiari - 63.020
Minh Nguyen - 44.040
M. Mizrachi - 24.735
Juanda - 21.650
Duke - 17.840
Giang - 12.910
Luske - 12.910
Greenstein - 11.010
Williams - 7.705
Chiu - 7.240
H. Brenes - 6.930
Fischman - 5.265
Harman-Traniello - 5.265
Hellmuth - 4.200
Negreanu - 3.665
Ivey - 2.410

[larrymcg421]

Ugh, I can't stand Josh Arieh. And he beat Chris Feguson of all people. I don't know if I'll be able to watch that on ESPN.

[larrymcg421]

Final Table of Event #13 ($5,000 No Limit)

Seat Name Locality chips
SEAT 1: Dustin "Neverwin" Woolf Los Angeles, CA $233,000
SEAT 2: Todd Brunson Las Vegas, NV $16,000
SEAT 3: Jason Berilgen Houston, TX $159,000
SEAT 4: Gavin Smith Las Vegas, NV $142,000
SEAT 5: Neal Wang Los Angeles, CA $630,500
SEAT 6: T.J. Cloutier Richardson, TX $281,500
SEAT 7: John Hennigan Philadelphia, PA $363,500
SEAT 8: Hieu "Tony" Ma South El Monte $61,000
SEAT 9: John Bonetti Houston, TX $248,000
SEAT 10: Steven Zoine Merrick, NY $194,500

[hoopsguy]

Greenstein is chip leader (92k) going into the final table for the 1,500 Pot Limit Omaha tournament, with Jesus on the short stack (16k). They are just about to the money in the 2K 7 Card Stud event and Lederer is closing in on his first cash of the WSOP. Harman is among the chip leaders and Seidel is among the short stacks at this point. Here is what I have for updated player money counts - including current tournaments where guys have been knocked out (Hellmuth in 10th for PLO).

Seidel - 634.925
Arieh - 381.600
Violette - 304.795
Ferguson - 213.065
Gordon - 146.195
Hennigan - 109.510
Esfandiari - 69.590
Minh Nguyen - 48.345
M. Mizrachi - 27.965
Liebert - 24.840
Juanda - 23.805
Duke - 21.070
Harman-Traniello - 20.595
Lindgren - 20.450
H. Brenes - 13.760
Luske - 12.910
Giang - 12.910
Greenstein - 12.635
Tsiprailidis - 12.210
Hellmuth - 9.280
Williams - 7.705
Chiu - 7.240
Fischman - 5.265
Seed - 4.875
Negreanu - 3.665
Ivey - 2.410
Ng - 1.865

[hoopsguy]

OK, this is close to the standings - haven't subtracted points from Timmy and Honolulu for events prior to their picks, so those numbers probably come down a little bit.

Timmynausea - 1152.198
Hoopsguy - 671.878
Chubby - 668.230
Lathum - 626.250
Honolulu Blue - 368.440
TheLionKing - 363.078
QuikSand - 352.655
Larrymcg421 - 307.760
SirFozzie - 102.380

Seidel is the difference-maker in our pool at this point. And he has a big pile of chips in front of him right now in the 5k no-limit event as they are closing in on the money. Violette and Vahedi are also in good position for that tourney.

Biggest bust so far? Hansen hasn't played any events, hurting quite a few people. Ted Forrest with zero cashes was on a couple of lists. Ivey and Negreanu have both put up paltry numbers so far, although I'm not sure Ivey is in all the tournaments like Negreanu.

[Lathum]

Where is Hansen. I have to wonder with the fields so large, are more pro's sticking to the cash games because the tournaments aren't worth the effort.

[Honolulu Blue]

In my case, the numbers are going to come down a lot, probably putting me next-to-last so far.

I'm not too worried about Hansen yet. His style should be perfect for the mega-field, mega-point Main Event, where I expect him to show. Hellmuth and Negreanu are obvious disappointments, but there are many events left to go.

[hoopsguy]

Violette is chip leader going into final table today - 5K Pot-Limit Hold'em.

[Lathum]

Violette is chip leader going into final table today - 5K Pot-Limit Hold'em.
I was just checking that out. Does anyone else have her?

[NAIWF]

OK, this is close to the standings - haven't subtracted points from Timmy and Honolulu for events prior to their picks, so those numbers probably come down a little bit.

Timmynausea - 1152.198
Hoopsguy - 671.878
Chubby - 668.230
Lathum - 626.250
Honolulu Blue - 368.440
TheLionKing - 363.078
QuikSand - 352.655
Larrymcg421 - 307.760
SirFozzie - 102.380


Is there any reason I'm not on the list?

[hoopsguy]

Um ... oops? Sorry about that.

Updated list includes Naiwf, and the results that are in from the 5K No-Limit tourney (as of now Devilfish, Raymer, and Minh Nguyen still in the final 24).

Timmy - 1182.933
Lathum - 688.320
Chubby - 687.020
Hoops - 681.268
Honolulu - 388.890
LionKing - 384.193
QuikSand - 375.340
Naiwf - 334.335
Larry - 312.905
SirFozzie - 107.585

[timmynausea]

Final Table and Chip counts for event 22 $1500 No Limit Hold 'Em:
1 Greg Raymer $ 613,000
2 Peter Lee $ 461,000
3 Minh Nguyen $ 378,000
4 Devilfish Uliott $ 338,000
5 Steve Rassi $ 325,000
6 Mark Seif $ 305,000
7 James Carter $ 263,000
8 Bill Gazes $ 181,000
9 Webber Kang $ 166,000

They'll finish tomorrow.

[larrymcg421]

Will this satisfy the "Raymer is a fluke" segment?

[timmynausea]

Last night I read that the $1500 NLHE event that Raymer is currently leading will have a $600k payout for first. That could change our pool quite significantly. Raymer is in good shape. Thankfully, I have Minh Nguyen who will also be at the final table.

[SirFozzie]

Woot. I have two final tablers in this one. Nguyen and Devilfish :)

[hoopsguy]

Good table to start a comeback, Fozzie. Pretty big payouts in this tourney, thanks to the 2,000 entries.

Devilfish finishes 9th for $47,225.

[timmynausea]

6 left in event #22. Here are the chip counts:

1 Peter Lee $ 716,000
2 Minh Nguyen $ 688,000
3 Mark Seif $ 508,000
4 Greg Raymer $ 483,000
5 Bill Gazes $ 321,000
6 Webber Kang $ 311,000


Here are the payouts for the top 6 spots. People with Raymer and Minh Nguyen should do pretty well in this one. I don't know if anyone has Mark Seif, and I don't know any of the others.

1 $611,145
2 $329,975
3 $202,790
4 $175,010
5 $147,230
6 $119,450

[hoopsguy]

Saw something interesting on the David Williams blog about Ivey:

After that I was seriously considering following in the steps of my friend Phil Ivey and hanging it up at the WSOP until the main event, although for different reasons

I know a few of us have Ivey - obviously this is not going to help the cause ...

[timmynausea]

Down goes Raymer. He finished 6th for $119,450. Minh Nguyen is second in chips right now. I think a few of us have him.

[timmynausea]

Mark Seif won the $611,145 prize for event 22. I don't think anyone has him. Minh Nguyen took second for $329,975.

Joe Awada made the final table in event 23 ($5000 7 card stud) if anyone has him.

They are into the money for event 24 ($2500 NLHE). There are about 95 people left. I assume we have a few in there, but the only one I'm sure is still alive is John Juanda who is doing well.

[hoopsguy]

No one with Seif, who now has two bracelets. No one with Awada, either.

With 62 left in Event 24 Huck Seed has the 4th biggest stack (95k), Juanda is 9th (70k). I believe those are the only guys we collectively have that are remaining.

[hoopsguy]

Timmy is killing everyone in this game so far ...

Timmy - 1507.298
Lathum - 685.070
Chubby - 679.465
Hoopsguy - 676.738
SirFozzie - 493.060 (big jump up)
Naiwf - 443.680
LionKing - 381.828
QuikSand - 371.405
HonoluluBlue - 318.005
Larrymcg - 307.760

Just a heads up ... found an error in my formulas for totaling the points between the last posting and this one. So a couple of totals are actually down from where they were last time out. Sorry for any confusion.

[Lathum]

Not sure if anyone has him, bu Chip Jett has the chiplead in the $5000 7 card stud. I would love to see him win, I've always liked him. And his wife is pretty hot.

[JeffNights]

Hell yes, that bitch is fine.

[timmynausea]

They're down to 3 in event 25. 2 are guys that I think some of us have.
1 Johnny Chan $ 635,000
2 Phil Laak $ 265,000
3 Richard Osborne $ 160,000

The winner will get $303k.

[timmynausea]

Dola- It'd be Chan's 10th bracelet if he wins.

[timmynausea]

It is down to head's up between Laak and Chan now. Chan would be the first ever to 10 bracelets. (He, Doyle and Hellmuth are tied at 9.)
Another person that looks like she might get a bracelet in the lady's only tournament? Jennifer Tilly. She is the chip leader and they're down to 7.

[timmynausea]

He did it. Bracelet number ten plus $303,025. It looks like only one person in the pool even has him. Congrats Chubby.

[Chubby]

YEAH! Chan comes through for me!

[larrymcg421]

Congrats, Johnny Chan!

[larrymcg421]

dola

Thanks to hoopsguy for doing the totals for us.

[larrymcg421]

Down to 2 people in Ladies No Limit. Jennifer Tilly is still alive. Anyone got chip counts?

[hoopsguy]

No problem. At some point I will take ten minutes to subtract out the points from the early tournaments from Honolulu and Timmy, but I don't think it is making any real impact on the standings at this point.

Actually was in a sit-n-go for about six hands at Absolute Poker with Lathum before I pushed myself out in the first stage on a three-man all-in. Really poorly played on my part - hoping my picks do better than I did in that one.

[MJ4H]

tilly won

[timmynausea]

Finally some good news for the people that picked Phil Ivey - he is playing and doing well in event 27 ($5000 Pot Limit Omaha), along with several others on our list. They're down to about 25 people. Doyle, Hellmuth and Ivey are in the top ten (and also at the same table).
Only the top 9 get paid.

In event 28 ($5000 Limit Hold 'Em), there are several of our other guys competing. No real news except that Negreanu is already out.

[hoopsguy]

Negreanu and D'Agostino (sp?) - can anyone think of another guy that has paid out more and won less than these two?

[timmynausea]

Negreanu has been terrible so far this year.
Doyle got knocked out in #27, but Ivey and Hellmuth are still among the top ten. I don't know if anyone has Toto Leonidas but he is up there, too.

[hoopsguy]

No one with Toto. He and Seif are guys that would have accumulated a lot of points so far.

[timmynausea]

Even better news for the guys that have Ivey. He is pulling away as the chip leader. These are the stacks from a few minutes ago. He has busted Toto since then, so he has even more.

1 Phil Ivey $ 300,000
2 Ram Vaswani $ 230,000
3 E.C. Cohen $ 210,000
4 Avi Freedman $ 175,000
5 Phil Hellmuth $ 160,000
6 Allen Cunningham $ 140,000
7 Davood Mehrmand $ 110,000
8 Toto Leonidas $ 100,000
9 Robert Williamson III $ 100,000
10 Richard St. Peter $ 70,000
11 Eddy Scharf $ 70,000
12 Sigi Stockinger $ 50,000
13 Tony G $ 40,000
14 Surinder Sunar $ 40,000
15 Edgar Skjervold $ 35,000

[timmynausea]

Update on 27: They're down to 3. Ivey is currently 2nd in chips. He is guarenteed at least $194k. Here are the payouts for the top 3:
1 $635,603
2 $353,115
3 $194,210
Hellmuth finished 8th for $70,075. I think that covers all our guys.

Devilfish is doing real well in event 29. He's the current chip-leader, and there are about 100 people left.

They're into the money in 28 and a few of our people are still around like Annie Duke, Amir Vahedi and Men the master. Also Mr. Kotter himself, Gabe Kaplan. They are down to about 25. First place will be $404k for this event.

[larrymcg421]

ESPN is probably loving this WSOP. They've got some really good stuff to showcase so far: Johnny Chan winning his 10th (over Phil Laak), TJ Cloutier winning, Arieh beating Ferguson, Jennifer Tilly winning, Seidel beating Violette, and perhaps a Phil Ivey win (on a final table with Hellmuth).

[Barkeep49]

ESPN is probably loving this WSOP. They've got some really good stuff to showcase so far: Johnny Chan winning his 10th (over Phil Laak), TJ Cloutier winning, Arieh beating Ferguson, Jennifer Tilly winning, Seidel beating Violette, and perhaps a Phil Ivey win (on a final table with Hellmuth).
What is their plan for broadcast this year? Will they be doing 1-2 hours on each of the smaller tournaments and then extended coverage of the final, or what?

[timmynausea]

What is their plan for broadcast this year? Will they be doing 1-2 hours on each of the smaller tournaments and then extended coverage of the final, or what?
That's what they did last year, and I'd be surprised if they didn't do the same again.

[timmynausea]

Ivey won. That makes 5 bracelets for him already. The $635,603 should affect our pool significantly.
Annie Duke made the final table in event 28.
Jesus won $3450 in event 29 and Devilfish is still going strong. Not sure who else if anyone else we have is left in that one.

[hoopsguy]

Ivey win has a major impact on our standings. Duke is 2nd in chips going into final table. Down to 45 in the no-limit event and Greenstein is faring well with Devilfish hanging around.

Chubby - 1613.175
Timmy - 1581.373
Hoops - 1328.458
Naiwf - 1148.440
Quik - 1095.895
Larry - 950.590
Lathum - 696.105
Fozzie - 578.855
Honolulu - 411.630
LK - 403.288

[Honolulu Blue]

LIEBERT, HANSEN, HELLMUTH TRADED FOR TILLY, KAPLAN, INTERNET QUALIFIER TO BE NAMED LATER

MICHIGAN (API) - FOFC Poker Pool laggard Honolulu Blue announced a blockbuster trade, sending three noted poker pros to the rail for two celebrities and an unknown TBD.

"I had to do something to shake up the team," said Blue. "We were simply not performing up to standards, and every day we fall farther and farther behind the leaders. Well, actually, we fall further behind everyone, but never mind."

"I have nothing against the players who are no longer on the team. I wish them well. I just think the new players will add more to the club."

Tilly is best known for three things - her Oscar nomination, those silly Chucky movies, and her rack. Kaplan is best known for playing Mr. Kotter on "Welcome Back Kotter," which was off the air before most of the current FOFCers were born. Blue is currently scouting PokerStars for the next WSOP champion. A few of the standout prospects are "RiverKing", "PoizinIvey", and "ACEKraker".

[larrymcg421]

Ivey got me back into the mix! He's always been my favorite player, and this just confirms it.

[Chubby]

into the lead and I have Duke too

[hoopsguy]

Very funny stuff, Honolulu.

Here is a hand that I found a little puzzling -

Date / Time: 2005-06-29 15:54:00
Title: Greenstein Takes a Beating
Log: With the board showing 9h-7h-3d, Barry Greenstein goes all-in for his last chips (the pot containing close to $100,000 already) and is called by Hyung Ko. Ko, who doesn't quite have Greenstein covered, flips over pocket deuces, while Greenstein shows Ah-Jh. The turn and river are the Qs and 7c respectively. No help for Greenstein, and Ko's pocket two's hold up. Greenstein is left with less than $10,000 in chips while Ko makes out with nearly $100,000.

I'm wondering how a guy decides that this is the place to go in for his tournament life? He has 50k in chips, with blinds at 1200/2400 and 300 ante. Sure, there is a lot of money in the pot and he is getting 3-1 (assuming BG pushed 50k into 100k pot) on his call, but he got his best case scenario and ends up calling as a 57/43 dog. I would understand if he pushed hoping for a fold, but calling there seems terrible.

Obligatory disclosure - I have Greenstein as one of my players.

[larrymcg421]

It's not a bad call at all. In fact, it reminded me of the Moneymaker/Boyd hand from a couple years ago, which people wrongly criticized Moneymaker for. If you correctly put the read on the guy (I don't know abut this specific hand, but Money clearly did) then you have a strong advantage. Barry was in a better position here than Boyd because he had a flush draw, but it's still not a bad call if you put the guy on overcards at that point.


Very funny stuff, Honolulu.

Here is a hand that I found a little puzzling -



I'm wondering how a guy decides that this is the place to go in for his tournament life? He has 50k in chips, with blinds at 1200/2400 and 300 ante. Sure, there is a lot of money in the pot and he is getting 3-1 (assuming BG pushed 50k into 100k pot) on his call, but he got his best case scenario and ends up calling as a 57/43 dog. I would understand if he pushed hoping for a fold, but calling there seems terrible.

Obligatory disclosure - I have Greenstein as one of my players.

[hoopsguy]

I think I may be fuzzy on the details of the Moneymaker/Boyd hand - I thought that call was pre-flop, when Moneymaker thought non-pair and was a slight favorite. In this case the guy is calling a bet to go in at 43%.

I'll go at this a little differently - would this be a call you would make if you knew you were going to win 43% of the time? There is very little chance he doesn't have two overs no matter what the flush draw is (2 hearts is possible). So here is how this one looks to me:

1.) He has a pocket pair higher than deuces
2.) He has a flush draw
3.) He hit a pair on the flop that is higher than deuces

In any of these cases the chances of winning are no greater than 43%.

4.) He has overcards and now has six outs. Advantage caller.

I think it takes a TON of moxie to make this call. But I'm curious if I'm the only one that sees it this way. There would be no discussion coming from me if he had pushed with his underpair.

[larrymcg421]

I think that may be why so many people have a low opinion of Moneymaker. The facts don't seem to have been reported accurately by his accusers. For instance, on the Ivey hand, people fail to mention that Ivey sucked out on the turn before Money sucked out on the river. And in the Boyd hand, the flop was 954 rainbow. Boyd had KQ and Moneymaker had two 3's. Money said he had a perfect read on him, and I believe him because when he called he was asking for "low cards" before they flipped their hands over. Money was more than a 3:1 advantage at this point.

This hand isn't exactly the same, because there was a flush draw on the board, something Money didn't have to worry about. The hand that Greenstein had was not "best case scenario", because he had a flush draw. Best case scenario would've been AK, which is a very likely holding considering the way the hand was played. I'm not saying it's an automatic call, but I don't think it's a horrible one either.

As to the answer for your question, are you playing to win or playing to money? That would depend on the answer. The odds are in your favor you're getting 3:1 and have 43% chance to win. It's an easy call in a cash game, but in a tourney it depends on your goals.

I think I may be fuzzy on the details of the Moneymaker/Boyd hand - I thought that call was pre-flop, when Moneymaker thought non-pair and was a slight favorite. In this case the guy is calling a bet to go in at 43%.

I'll go at this a little differently - would this be a call you would make if you knew you were going to win 43% of the time? There is very little chance he doesn't have two overs no matter what the flush draw is (2 hearts is possible). So here is how this one looks to me:

1.) He has a pocket pair higher than deuces
2.) He has a flush draw
3.) He hit a pair on the flop that is higher than deuces

In any of these cases the chances of winning are no greater than 43%.

4.) He has overcards and now has six outs. Advantage caller.

I think it takes a TON of moxie to make this call. But I'm curious if I'm the only one that sees it this way. There would be no discussion coming from me if he had pushed with his underpair.

[larrymcg421]

Down to 4 players in Event 27 and Annie Duke and Mr. Kotter are still remaining. ESPN has really struck gold this year.

[timmynausea]

The sweathogs have gotta be lovin' this.

[larrymcg421]

In Event 28, Kotter finished 2nd and Annie finished 4th. Not much happened in #29 and 30, but man take a look at Event #31

After 1 day of play, there are 25 left. Among them:

Doyle Brunson $165,000 (chip leader)
John Hennigan $140,700
Layne Flack $97,700
Jason Lester $66,500
John Juanda $58,900
Scotty Nguyen $55,300
Men the Master $43,800
Chris Ferguson $41,600

[Dunleavy]

i'm picking a looooooooooong shot, myself. yes wish me luck b/c i'm in the main event!!!

i'm going to try and keep a diary of my experience to share when i get back.

[hoopsguy]

Good luck, Dunleavy. Did you just qualify recently or have you had it locked up for awhile now?

[Dunleavy]

i qualified about a month or two ago online, but it's just now that i'm really getting into it

[Chubby]

In Event 28, Kotter finished 2nd and Annie finished 4th. Not much happened in #29 and 30, but man take a look at Event #31

After 1 day of play, there are 25 left. Among them:

Doyle Brunson $165,000 (chip leader)
John Hennigan $140,700
Layne Flack $97,700
Jason Lester $66,500
John Juanda $58,900
Scotty Nguyen $55,300
Men the Master $43,800
Chris Ferguson $41,600
Go Doyle!

[larrymcg421]

Hennigan, Juanda, and Ferguson are out. Everyone else still alive with 8 to go.

[larrymcg421]

OK, this is where we're at in Event #31. The final table is (this is a 6 handed event, btw):

Layne Flack 350k
Doyle Brunson 309k
Minh Ly 305k
Scotty Nguyen 254k
Ayaz Mahmood 169k
Jason Lester 119k

Wish I was there.

[timmynausea]

What more could ESPN ask for than a Doyle victory?

[larrymcg421]

Lester is out in 6th, losing with AK to Scotty Nguyen's 77.

[larrymcg421]

Mahmood out in 5th with QQ against Flack's AA (which made quads).

[larrymcg421]

Here are the current chip counts. Come on Doyle!

Nguyen 430k
Brunson 316k
Ly 284k
Flack 479k

[larrymcg421]

BTW, I'm getting my reports from here: http://www.pokertrails.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=145&postdays=0&postorder=DESC&start=0

This is pretty exciting stuff. Doyle has just won three pots in a row.

[timmynausea]

Updated chip stacks from a couple minutes ago:

Nguyen 300k
Brunson 440k
Ly 500k
Flack 290k

[QuikSand]

this is definitely very interesting... great final foursome...18 bracelets already there.

oh, and I'm getting my updates from right here...

[QuikSand]

BIG all in clash... Layne has Doyle barely covered... they are in with two big hands...high drama!

[QuikSand]

Doyle's KK holds up (boats) to cripple Layne and put Doyle into the chip lead!

[timmynausea]

Doyle just lost a big pot to Ly, and 2 hands later Flack doubled up through him (Brunson). That sucks.

[timmynausea]

oh man. it's looking like brunson will get really lucky and knock flack out. (pending the river.) Yes. He did. Wow.
He had K9 vs. Flack's K10 on a flop of 10 9 3. Flack went all in and Brunson called. The turn was a 9. Flack is out in 4th.

[timmynausea]

Doyle is back in the lead.

Nguyen 220k
Brunson 780k
Ly 520k

[timmynausea]

He did it. Doyle Brunson just won his 10th bracelet.

[Chubby]

yeah Doyle! both because he's cool and because I have him on my team :D

[hoopsguy]

Seidel is up to his tricks again, sitting 2nd in chips at the 10k pot-limit Omaha table. And Negreanu is finally going to cash - he is the short stack with 25 left in the 3k limit hold-em event.

Updated standings:
Chubby - 2069.475
Hoopsguy - 1685.728
Timmynausea - 1598.348
Larrymcg - 1439.390
Naiwf - 1264.445
QuikSand - 1124.190
Lathum - 723.610
LionKing - 591.483
SirFozzie - 584.575
HonoluluBlue - 446.040

[Honolulu Blue]

Very funny stuff, Honolulu.

Thanks.

Boy, I sure know how to pick 'em, don't I? The way I figure it, here are two of the more likely scenarios where I can take the lead in this little pool:

1) Humberto Brenes makes the final table at the Main Event and none of the other players do, or
2) At least two of "my" guys make the final table, while no more than one than one of anyone else's does.

Both are serious longshots, but that won't stop me from rooting for my boy anyway.

[hoopsguy]

Given the speculation that the main event $$$ will be capped at 10mil, all of the points up to the final table are interesting, but perhaps not making much of a difference. If someone gets the winner (alone), they would win this pool on points, even if there wasn't a rule declaring them as champ. Even if another person has the runner-up, they would have had to have had a monster tournament to overcome this.

That said, here are the best scenarios for each player to put together a run of points. These are the players I see that are unique to each player:

Naiwf - Luske or Fischman (shared with Honolulu, but ahead on points)
Fozzie - Tsiprailidis, Kelleher
Chubby - keep riding the Seidel train, Krux, A. Brenes
Lathum - Frangos, Violette
Quik - Ng
LionKing - Phan, Sklansky, Flack
Hoopsguy - Arieh, Chiu
Larry - Hennigan
Timmy - Gordon
Honolulu - Brenes

Probably missed one or two, but these represent the guys you should be pulling hardest for at this point.

[timmynausea]

None of this matters when Seidel wins the main event just as I predicted.

[hoopsguy]

Larry has taken over the points lead thanks to Hennigan bringing home a bracelet. He is now up about 25 points on Chubby, with Hoops (yes, I'm referring to myself in the 3rd person) and Timmy about 400 points back.

[hoopsguy]

Wait a minute - is there actually a John Heneghan and a John Hennigan?

The event winner is John Heneghan, from Safety Harbor, FL ... could have sworn Hennigan is from Philly. Also, he is at the final table in the parallel event.

Sorry for the confusion - especially for Larry, who is now back in 4th place, pending the results of the 2-7 Lowball final table.

[larrymcg421]

Yeah it's a different Hennigan since they said he won his 1st bracelet, and I'm sure we all remember Hennigan's memorable win last year in the "Ellix Powers" table.

[Chubby]

people creating sound a likes to try and take my chip lead!

[larrymcg421]

Wait until "Philip Ivy" wins the ME.

[Honolulu Blue]

Day 1 damage report:

Jesus: crucified :mad:
Scott: screwed :eek:
Humberto: muerto :(
Gus: around $7000. Not too good :o

Let's hope day 2 goes a little better.

[hoopsguy]

Chan, Arieh, Ferguson, Greenstein, Seidel, Fischman, Forrest, H. Brenes, Devilfish, Harman are the names that I see out. That is four of my players out (including ME) - hard to believe that anyone had a worse day than that, but I didn't check other peoples holdings to verify.

[timmynausea]

3 out for me. Including my ME pick.

That is just the first third of day 1, too, really. I really have very little hope of winning. I suppose it's all riding on Phil Gordon.

[larrymcg421]

Negreanu down to $3k already. Why did I pick him? Hansen (my ME pick) is down to $6k at the end of yesterday.

[hoopsguy]

Negreanu - dead.
Lindgren - dead.

That leaves me with four players at maybe the halfway part of the first day (in three parts) of action. This is depressing - time to stop thinking about the pool and just get excited about the main event being here.

[timmynausea]

Phil Gordon is done so that pretty much kills my chances. Hellmuth also got knocked out. Had this been last year, I would've surely picked Farha, who was among the chip leaders at the end of the day with about $120k.

Still alive for me (i think): Howard Lederer, Dan Harrington, Minh Nguyen and Gus Hansen

Harrington and Hansen made it to day 2, (though Gus is not in the best shape), and Lederer and Nguyen will start today, I believe.

[Honolulu Blue]

Updated body count after day 3:

Antonio - did a disappearing act. Could never return. :(
Kathy - busted :(
Daniel - went home crying to mama :(
Phil H. - just went home crying :(
Action Dan - About $20k. He's got 'em right where he wants 'em. :cool:
Marcel - About $9k. Could be worse.

Gus from day 1 is also still in, though with a small stack. So, 7 down, three to go.

[Honolulu Blue]

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Dan, Gus, and Marcel are all gone, well out of the money. Last place is assured.

It's been real, folks.

[timmynausea]

I'm down to Howard Lederer, so there's no way I can win as others who have Lederer are ahead of me. I'm still pulling for Howard, though, cause he's a good guy.

[Chubby]

updated standings with the players each person has left still in the ME?

[larrymcg421]

This is the up to date standing pre-WSOP. The onyl glitch is i don't think Pokerpages has the full payouts listed for Deuce to Seven. Hennigen (the REAL one) scored 211 points for me in that one to move me into 3rd.

Chubby - 2139.18 (Ivey)
Hoops - 1789.743 (Ivey, Mizrachi)
Larry - 1773.675 (Lederer, Ivey)
Timmy - 1671.343 (Lederer)
naiwf - 1271.17 (Ivey, Lederer, Raymer)
Quik - 1130.915 (Juanda ME, Ivey)
Lathum - 791.605 (Lederer)
TheLionKing - 615.453 (Mizrachi, Flack, Lederer)
SirFozzie - 584.575 (None, I think)
Honolulu - 452.765 (Also none)

[hoopsguy]

Thanks for the update, Larry. Was thinking about doing the same thing myself.

Winning scenarios:
Chubby - Ivey title, or only amateurs/Internet guys/non-picked people around at the end
Hoops - Grinder
Larry - Lederer
Timmy - done
Naiwf - Raymer, 1/2 punch of Ivey/Lederer is enough to overcome people with only one of those two in front of him
Quik - ME winner Juanda
Lathum - done
LionKing - Flack, Lederer/Grinder combo enough to overcome people with only one
Fozzie - done
Honolulu - done

So a six horse race at this point.

[larrymcg421]

Forgot to point out. LionKing has Flack as his ME pick, so that's a winning scenario for him.

[larrymcg421]

Most recent updates on our people:

Flack - $197,000
Grinder - $165,000
Raymer - $110,000 (Best repeat performance in a while?)
Juanda - $65,000
Ivey - $55,000
Lederer - $38,000

[larrymcg421]

Obviously, I meant best repeat performance from a champion. Harrington's repeat performance tops all others, at least all the way back to Johnny Chan going 1st, 1st, and 2nd in three straight years.

[hoopsguy]

Updated chip counts:
Raymer: 318,700
Grinder: 294,800
Flack: 188,100
Juanda: 144,100
Lederer: 128,700
Ivey: 89,600

[larrymcg421]

Chip Updates:

Our guys:

Raymer $700,000
Grinder $475,000
Ivey $310,000
Juanda $226,000
Flack $200,000
Lederer $89,000

Other notables:

Mike Matusow $373,000
Paul Darden $262,500
Kenna James $250,000 (fyi he was the guy that completely covered his face when Lederer was trying to read him during the 2003 WSOP)
Jason Lester $242,000
Olga Varkonyi $181,000
Dutch Boyd $173,000

[Suicane75]

Still alot of guys for to root for, but i love Sammy.

[larrymcg421]

Grinder is out:

With a flop showing 2-3-4, both Mike "The Grinder" Mizrachi and Will "Mr. Lucky" O'Brien go all in. Grinder shows 6-6, while O'Brien has Q-Q. The turn is a K, and the river is a 2, eliminating Mike "The Grinder."

[timmynausea]

Ok, the matusow stuff was funny, but this is the funniest wsop update I've seen so far. I don't even know why it seems so funny to me.

1 million sticky chips
Greg Raymer just spilled his coke on his chips -- one million dollars worth.

[larrymcg421]

Flack just took a bad beat and is out.

[hoopsguy]

OK, with Flack and Grinder out here are the remaining winning scenarios:

Chubby - Ivey, or just outlasting everyone else
Larry - Lederer
Naiwf - Raymer, plus Ivey/Lederer remaining
Quik - Juanda (ME)

Everyone else is out of it at this point.

[Chubby]

everyone but Ivey can get knocked out now :D