Passacaglia joins hattrick!

[Passacaglia]

Okay, as I've been getting into soccer more and more, and FM is kind of on hold for a while since it take forever to run my dynasty league, I'm supplementing it with a bit of hattrick.

I signed up yesterday. 37 people on the waiting list? Damn. So I look today -- ONE person on the waiting list! Bastiges found a team for everyone but me!! Better luck tomorrow, I guess.

[terpkristin]

You'll be in soon enough, I promise. Good time to start, too, as the new season is almost here.

Welcome to the fold. :D

/tk

[DataKing]

Resistance is futile.

...and welcome. :)

[finketr]

this will not nearly be the timesucker that FM can be...

close...



:)

[Poli]

I bought FM from Mizzourah, and I can't get into it. It's slow on my pc, and I can't figure anything out.

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh, I'm starting my second season with Notts County, really waiting for my new computer to arrive so I have some speed. It's sloowwww on my old machine.

[Poli]

Heh, I'm starting my second season with Notts County, really waiting for my new computer to arrive so I have some speed. It's sloowwww on my old machine.Some day you'll explain this blasted game to me.

[mrkilla22]

Welcome sir! :D

[FrogMan]

Some day you'll explain this blasted game to me.
There's not much to explain really, it's simply Hattrick on 'roids :)

Welcome aboard Pass. I swear I thought you had already played this game in the past...

FM

[Poli]

There's not much to explain really, it's simply Hattrick on 'roids :)

Welcome aboard Pass. I swear I thought you had already played this game in the past...

FM
I don't understand the game, though. Way over my head.

[FrogMan]

I don't understand the game, though. Way over my head.
baby steps AE, baby steps :) Try stuff, screw it up real good, then start over again :) I lost 18 or 19 in a row with the first team I started with, Luton Town, yet, at one point, I started understanding what I was doing and took QPR to the Premiership and to European Competition...

You can always PM me if you got questions.

FM

[Passacaglia]

There's not much to explain really, it's simply Hattrick on 'roids :)

Welcome aboard Pass. I swear I thought you had already played this game in the past...

FM

Guilty. I did play a long time ago, for about a week. I wasn't even sure I told anyone. I still don't know what I'm doing, though!

[PilotMan]

Welcome, there are always a bunch of us who are around to bounce things off of. Enjoy.

[Coffee Warlord]

baby steps AE, baby steps :) Try stuff, screw it up real good, then start over again :) I lost 18 or 19 in a row with the first team I started with, Luton Town, yet, at one point, I started understanding what I was doing and took QPR to the Premiership and to European Competition...

You can always PM me if you got questions.

FM

I still can't fathom how you pulled that off, and I read your damn dynasty. :)

Although my first game with freshly promoted Notts Co, I knocked off the oddsmaker's #1. Fear my 4-3-3 counterattack!

[FrogMan]

I still can't fathom how you pulled that off, and I read your damn dynasty. :)

Although my first game with freshly promoted Notts Co, I knocked off the oddsmaker's #1. Fear my 4-3-3 counterattack!
After my game got corrupted and with the nice weather we got this Summer (combined with my wife having a crazy work schedule thus keeping me away from the PC), I had stopped playing FM. Well, I had started a career with Q.P.R. again, then put it away, then picked it back up about a couple of weeks ago and damn, I'm addicted again.

I don't want to say too much and I don't want to promise anything, but I've been kind of thinking about restarting a new "frog in football" series. I see many of my readers in this thread (sorry for the threadjack Pass) and again I don't want to promise anything but if I do get Q.P.R. promoted back to the Premiership, something that is not a done deal but could nonetheless be quite feasible, it'd be dang hard not to share the adventure with the fine folks of FOFC :)

You shall wait and see...

FM
PS: I still don't always understand why some things work to be honest, but they sometimes do :)

[Poli]

I'll dust off the game this weekend. PM me any startup suggestions, FM.

[Passacaglia]

Yay! I have my team! Now I just need to figure out what I'm doing!

[Passacaglia]

I'm going to start doing this thread dynasty-style, as a way for me to talk about what I'm doing, and to get people to answer my questions and correct me when I'm wrong. I assume you guys are all in divisions well above me, so I'm not really competing against you, and y'all can help me out a little!

Anyway, I don't really remember the rules much from playing several years ago, but I do remember the guy who helped me out kept telling me to get rid of my coach until I got a good one. I spent a lot of money, and only ended up with an okay one. So, I look at my coach:

Our coach is Wesley Humphries, 53 years old. He's in passable form (is that his playing form or coaching form?), and is healthy. He's a weak trainer, who is fond of attacking. He's a nasty fellow who is tranquil and honest -- I like that! He has magnificent experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

The passable form looks nice, but I just started to think that might be about his playing, not coaching. If he's a passable coach, I'd probably want to keep him...right?

[dacman]

He's a weak trainer
He's rubbish.

Usually first starting out, your best bet is to hire a externally a passable coach with poor leadership. You'll want better later, but a passable/poor will only set you back $79k and you'll need the rest of your dough to get your first set of trainees.

[Coffee Warlord]

I don't want to say too much and I don't want to promise anything, but I've been kind of thinking about restarting a new "frog in football" series. I see many of my readers in this thread (sorry for the threadjack Pass) and again I don't want to promise anything but if I do get Q.P.R. promoted back to the Premiership, something that is not a done deal but could nonetheless be quite feasible, it'd be dang hard not to share the adventure with the fine folks of

Heh, I'm thinking of opening a dynasty for Notts Co once I get my new faster computer in. I set out on a mission to try and bring what some call the American style of football to England. (Fast, physical players gunning for those quick goals).

It mostly worked in my first season. We'll see.

[FrogMan]

Heh, I'm thinking of opening a dynasty for Notts Co once I get my new faster computer in. I set out on a mission to try and bring what some call the American style of football to England. (Fast, physical players gunning for those quick goals).

It mostly worked in my first season. We'll see.
I thought you meant with helmets and shoulder pads and such :D

As an update (sorry again Pass, last update, I swear ;)) I did get QPR promoted to the Premiership at the end of the 2004/05 season, only one season after they had promoted to the Championship. That was a magical season, with mostly nobodies and while I'm all excited and I'd want to share it with everyone in a new dynasty, I'm still unsure about it. I've sort of liked playing without writing any notes and such... I think I'm up to June 20 or about and I told myself I wouldn't start anything until we're into July, if I do anything, so we'll see. I could do a lower maintenance kind of dynasty, I don't know...

To get back on topic with Pass's team... Pass, they have changed the way we get coaches since you've last played. You can now choose what level of coach you want, as opposed to clicking the darn "get new coach" button like we used to do. As dacman said, passable coach with poor leadership is about the way to go when you start out.

FM

FM

[Passacaglia]

All right, two opinions in agreement -- passable and poor it is!

[Passacaglia]

My 19 players

Arthur Lamb
TSI = 630 , 19 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: wretched
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: inadequate

Brad Muniz
TSI = 710 , 19 years, solid form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: inadequate
Scoring: inadequate Set pieces: passable

Dani de Castro
TSI = 0 , 42 years, passable form
Has passable experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: disastrous

Eloy Helms
TSI = 1 390 , 23 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: passable Set pieces: wretched

Francis Killian
TSI = 110 , 27 years, solid form
Has weak experience and poor leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: poor Set pieces: poor

Gary Bolton
TSI = 470 , 22 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: solid Defending: inadequate
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: solid

Gian Franco Archetti
TSI = 60 , 27 years, passable form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: wretched Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: disastrous

Grady Huerta
TSI = 380 , 27 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and disastrous leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: weak

Henry Cromwell
TSI = 390 , 21 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: inadequate
Scoring: passable Set pieces: inadequate

Joe Ferguson
TSI = 160 , 20 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and disastrous leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: disastrous

Mateo Cano
TSI = 60 , 31 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: disastrous
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid

Miguel Ángel Osejo
TSI = 380 , 26 years, poor form
Has weak experience and passable leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set pieces: wretched

Raymond Willis
TSI = 790 , 26 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: passable Passing: poor
Winger: passable Defending: passable
Scoring: poor Set pieces: solid

Theron Barker
TSI = 510 , 19 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: wretched
Scoring: solid Set pieces: disastrous

Thurman Chen
TSI = 170 , 26 years, poor form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set pieces: poor

Wallace Correa
TSI = 660 , 27 years, poor form
Has poor experience and disastrous leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: solid Passing: wretched
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set pieces: poor

Wesley Humphreys
TSI = 0 , 53 years, passable form
Has magnificent experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set pieces: disastrous

Wilbur Buchanan
TSI = 30 , 26 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set pieces: weak

Will Wilson
TSI = 100 , 25 years, passable form
Has poor experience and solid leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set pieces: wretched

[Masked]

Pass - Train stamina for the next few weeks while you start to build your training program. You have two solid playmakers, which is a great start, but their stamina sucks. Getting them to passable will greatly improve your team and enhance their slae price.

This appears to be your best training candidate, so you might thing about training scoring if you don't already have plans.

Theron Barker
TSI = 510 , 19 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: passable Defending: wretched
Scoring: solid Set pieces: disastrous

[Coffee Warlord]

Step 1 - Fire Lamb, Cano, Archetti, and Castro

Step 2 - Buy a passable to solid keeper.

Step 3 - Trainees: 17-18 year old inadequates and passables in whatever you are training are where you wanna go.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, I still haven't had a chance to read the rules yet (stupid werewolf), but today's Wednesday -- should I be looking for a friendly?

[FrogMan]

unless you are in the cup, yes, you should be looking for a friendly. Today is the first run of the cup, but some teams don't make the cup...

FM

[FrogMan]

one quick question, is that your team?

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If so, then you have a cup match tonight. You simply have to set your lineup.

FM

[Passacaglia]

Yes, that is my team, FM! I'll have to check out my cup match!

[Poli]

Set a lineup! :)

[FrogMan]

and don't forget your set piece takers!!! They may not be that important to us, old timers, but if you end up in penalty kicks, you'll be happy you did :)

FM

[Mr. Wednesday]

When setting your lineup, since you haven't read the rules yet...
* Put guys with good playmaking and stamina in the inner midfield.
* Put guys with good scoring at forward
* Put guys with good winger (duh) at wing and play them offensive
* Put guys with good defending at the defense positions and play your wingbacks defensive, unless you happen to be blessed with someone who is good at both winger and defending.

You probably don't have a winnable match, in which case you may want to try to start building experience with whatever formation you settle on, but if you want to try to make a game of it you'll need to stick with a 4-4-2. If you have three IMs, you can improve on the default lineup by playing the third in a CD slot and setting his orders as "extra inner midfielder", and play your second central defender at winger and set his orders as "extra central defender". You'll play with three IMs and one wing.

You may want to check out my newbie guide (http://www.hal-pc.org/~enigma/hattrick/hattrick_newbie.html).

[Passacaglia]

I'm working on it! I've got a guy who's solid at set pieces, so that should be good. How do I decide who to put on the left and who to put on the right?

[Passacaglia]

Thanks for that advice, Wednesday. I've downloaded HAM, and am currently using that to try to help me figure out my lineup. They really only think one of my guys is best suited for inner midfielder.

[Passacaglia]

Okay, so I'm searching the transfers for inner midfielders -- I'm looking at a guy with excellent stamina and solid playmaking, not much else to speak of -- is he worth $40,000?

[Mr. Wednesday]

How old is he, and what kind of experience does he have?

I paid $90k for a ca. 20-yo solid PM without much else a couple of years back to use as a backup, so $40k doesn't seem too bad to me, but it's been quite a while since I've been playing in that part of the market.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm working on it! I've got a guy who's solid at set pieces, so that should be good. How do I decide who to put on the left and who to put on the right?There's no special consideration given for left vs. right. At this point, I'd recommend just trying to get balance across the field... once you have a little better idea of how your players perform, you can start trying to tweak your lineup for tactical advantages.

[Passacaglia]

The guy I got is 25. Hopefully he's worth it, cause I just paid 39K for him!

[Passacaglia]

Oh, and he has wretched experience.

[dacman]

You didn't really need an inner mid as much as you need a keeper or two. You basically have none.

Eloy Helms, Wallace Correa, and new guy should be your middies. 3 solid middies for a new team is pretty good.

[Passacaglia]

You probably don't have a winnable match, in which case you may want to try to start building experience with whatever formation you settle on, but if you want to try to make a game of it you'll need to stick with a 4-4-2. If you have three IMs, you can improve on the default lineup by playing the third in a CD slot and setting his orders as "extra inner midfielder", and play your second central defender at winger and set his orders as "extra central defender". You'll play with three IMs and one wing.

Hey Wed -- why don't I just put my 3rd IM at wing at set his orders to extra inner midfielder?

Never mind, I see it won't let me.

[sterlingice]

Just to dump some notes from talking earlier today, here was the lineup we were playing with:

gk: lamb (replace)
wb: osejo, chen (replace?)
cd: willis (sell)
mi: helms, correa, belleau
wi: bolton (offensive)
fo: muniz (possible replace), cromwell (possible replace), barker (stud)

sell: willis
subs: huerta (im), cano (def), {lamb}, {killian (wing)}, {wilson (fo)}
fire: archetti, ferguson, humphreys, buchanan

SI

[Passacaglia]

Yay! Well, thanks to a ton of help from SI, I got a lineup set, and have a training strategy in place! Plus, we got a huge win over a weak computer opponent, 5-0!

[Passacaglia]

Some new purchases to report. To help us in our cup game yesterday, I got us a keeper who's better than Lamb. Razvan Valeanu is a 20 year old passable keeper with disastrous experience (thanks to sterlingice for pointing him out to me)!

And today, I bought my first of 3 or 4 strikers that I need to get by the end of next week, since my plan is to train stamina this week, scoring next week. His name is Pedro Villar, an 18 year old Spaniard in passable form. He's a nasty fellow who is temperamental and upright. As for the good stuff, he's got passable scoring, inad passing and winger, weak defending, poor stamina, wretched set pieces and playmaking, and disastrous keeping. I might have overbid, but he seems like he should be a nice, cheap deal at five thousand dollars. Thoughts?

[Tellistto]

If you only paid 5k for an 18yo passable/inad scorer, that's a dern good deal. It's what you should be looking for at this point, 18yo passables or 17yo inad's with as much passing as you can afford to get. In the long run, 17yo inad's work well, because they'll pop at least once, and possibly twice this season, making them 18yo solid's by early next season. Just food for thought there. To be honest, you'll need to train stamina for at least two weeks to get those two IM's you started with ready to really go. They should have at least solid stamina before you won't be losing effectiveness in the second half of your games.


Tell

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yay! Well, thanks to a ton of help from SI, I got a lineup set, and have a training strategy in place! Plus, we got a huge win over a weak computer opponent, 5-0!That's terrific! So you should be getting a home game in the next round, right? You'll probably be overmatched, but the longer you stick around in the cup, the better it is for you financially.

[sterlingice]

The problem with 17yo inads is that, while they'll bump to solid by the time they're 18, they also take 7-8 weeks to bump to that level, time that you could spend raising your next batch of guys.

Also, the one question I haven't been able to answer is about the striker market- passing is the secondary of choice now but with the toward winger speciality, does that make passing not nearly the useful secondary it once was?

SI

[Masked]

Also, the one question I haven't been able to answer is about the striker market- passing is the secondary of choice now but with the toward winger speciality, does that make passing not nearly the useful secondary it once was?
SI
My first thought is why would the usefulness of passing change. Passing has always contributed only to the central attack. Forwards contributions to the wing attacks has always relied only on their scoring skill.

[sterlingice]

My first thought is why would the usefulness of passing change. Passing has always contributed only to the central attack. Forwards contributions to the wing attacks has always relied only on their scoring skill.
Just on the grounds that anyone running a 3-4-3 would want to run at least one of their guys on the wing. And I would think a fair amount of people running only 2 forwards would consider running one wing so that they had 2 different strong attacks. All of this decreases demand on strikers who only are useful as center strikers.

SI

[daedalus]

I think both the "pure" striker (scoring with no passing) and the "complete" striker (passing included) will retain their own following. I think strikers on wing will be tried out briefly before folks sort of abandon it. I think it's going to take more skill than people are willing/able to afford in term of wages.

Looks interesting to me, though. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't think wage pressure so much as availability/training issues that limits the use of TTW forwards.

[Passacaglia]

His name is Pedro Villar, an 18 year old Spaniard in passable form. He's a nasty fellow who is temperamental and upright. As for the good stuff, he's got passable scoring, inad passing and winger, weak defending, poor stamina, wretched set pieces and playmaking, and disastrous keeping.

Pedro Villar had a huge debut for the Existentialists, getting a hat trick -- by the 38th minute. He ended up with 5 goals, and we beat TEAM VIPERS 6-2. This is a HUGE win, since TEAM VIPERS was the #2 team in VI.17, with the #1 team actually being the team that I used to be (if that makes sense). So even though it was at home, it was a big win. What's more, everyone else tied, so we're already all alone, with a 2-point lead over everyone else!

[Alf]

easy :)

[Passacaglia]

Okay, so per SI's instructions, I'm looking for a future coach. I saw a really good one -- problem is he's 34, and injured for 4 weeks. Will he be able to come back from that injury?

[sterlingice]

Not a chance. He's dead :(

SI

[Passacaglia]

Okay, thanks. Some poor slob is shelling out 10K for nothing, then.

[finketr]

Not a chance. He's dead :(

SI

i beg to differ.

i had a 35yo recover from a +4

[sterlingice]

i beg to differ.

i had a 35yo recover from a +4 How long did it take, tho? Players can always recover- I know you can't actually "die" in hattrick. But with a beginning team with 1 or 0 doctors, it's just not worth it to pay him $500 a week to sit in your infirmary for a year so you can get a pass/pass up to solid/pass for a future coach.

SI

[FrogMan]

Okay, thanks. Some poor slob is shelling out 10K for nothing, then.
I've not looked at who is bidding on him, but SI's explanation of why he is dead meat makes a lot of sense, as he is dead meat *for you*. Somebody with 10 doctors would maybe be able to bring him back after maybe 7 weeks or so, but for you, he'd take forever to come back as you can't afford the 10 doctors, or at least you should spend the money elsewhere...

FM

[daedalus]

If he's passable/passable, then he's not worthwhile since even AFTER he recovers, which ought to take around 3/4 of a season if you have 10 doctors, you STILL have to try to get him to pop solid experience which has no solid timetable that we know of.

If he's already solid/passable, then he is since you'd STILL have to wait a season for him become eligible to be converted anyhow.

That's just my opinion, though. With a younger team, I'd be looking around for solid/inadequate with usable passable or solid skill to augment the team while waiting to convert.

[Mr. Wednesday]

A single level of experience takes about a season of league play plus a cup game or two, in my experience. Maybe a bit more than that.

[Passacaglia]

Well, we're out of the cup with a bang. Anyone want a friendly with a doormat?

[Passacaglia]

Looks like I just got a challenge from a Spanish team, also in Series VI. Is the Spanish VI different from our VI? The game is at home, so I wouldn't pay the travel costs, but I feel bad that this guy might have to pay travel costs, not knowing what he's doing. Is it any advantage for me to bring in an international team for a friendly, or should I just keep looking in the USA?

[FrogMan]

don't feek bad, Spain has something like 9 or 10 levels, so their VI is higher than USA's VI, sort of. International frienldies are always a tad better as they give your players a bit more experience. Given that you're a new team, a home international is good. Also, he may be what we call a "flag chaser" i.e. he's trying to play friendlies in as many coutries as possible...

FM

[Passacaglia]

Sounds good. So I'll probably get my arse kicked, but I'll get a little more experience out of the deal? My supporters are irritated now, after getting killed in the Cip match, and if I lose my league match, I'm looking at possibly 3 losses in a row. Is it worth the extra experience?

[FrogMan]

friendlies have no impact on your supporters' mood, so go for it, play non-starters though.

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, you may not necessarily get your ass kicked though. Some teams have pretty bad "b" teams...

FM

[Passacaglia]

Well, I signed back on, and the challenge was gone! They must have found someone else to play against. I'll go back to looking for teams in Illinois and Michigan. Does it matter if it's home or away?

[FrogMan]

if you don't want to pay travelling fees, region doesn't matter as long as it's in the States.

Other thing you can do is challenge teams from another country to come play at your stadium. If you challenge say 15 or 20, you're bound to have at least one who will accept...

FM

[Mr. Wednesday]

If a foreigner challenges you at your place, don't worry about them paying travel costs. If they had cared about it, they wouldn't have issued the challenge.

[Passacaglia]

So I'm just wondering -- do I have the same team as the team that had this ID before me? They finished first in VI.17 last season, and it seems like some of my players have been on that team. Does anyone know how it works?

[Masked]

You have all new players.