Werewolf XVI: Time Traveler (MAFIA WIN)

[SnDvls]

Rules for Blind Vote Time Traveler Mafia

I absolutely insist that you thoroughly read these rules before starting the game.
At the end I’d appreciate any feedback to improve it for future use.

Need 12-16 Players

Game will start Oct 5th or 6th. Once I get back into town.

Major Rules:

Q: How is time travel incorporated into the game?

A: Many night choices will occur on nights that are not the current one. For example, some roles could be used on night 2 to enact a change on night 5, or on night 1. Performing actions in the future will just have a delayed effect. Performing actions in the past may cause time to be rewritten. If/when this happens, I will post an updated timeline, though I'll leave the old timeline in its original post to keep for your records.

(An example of how the timeline can change.)
Night 4, the mafia decides to kill the cop, as of night 2. But the cop night 2 was visiting night 1! they get there, and find an empty house. No kill that night. Amazingly enough, night 5 the cop goes back to night 2 to investigate... and gets killed from the previous night's kill.

Q: Wait, so if I die, I might come back to life? How does that work?

Sure, if a doctor goes back in time to protect you on the night you were killed. If this happens, you'll be caught up to the game, and history will be re-written because of your presence in each intermediate day. Because of this (IMPORTANT), all dead players must keep up with the game, and submit votes and night-choices to me (privately, through PM) as if they were still alive. These will be their actions if they are brought back to life.

Q: Any weird rules on lynching?

Yup, 'fraid so. It is not the case that a player will be lynched as soon as a majority is hit. Instead, you the player set the deadline each day by voting publicly to end day (i.e. Vote End Day) once 50% or more is reached to end that day (of the currently alive players) the player with the most votes at that point is lynched, regardless of how many votes they have. No lynch is still a possibility...if no lynch has the most votes at deadline, then it wins. Keep in mind that dead players coming back to life will have a say in re-writing the history. Ties will be announced as a tie, but no lynch will occur, so be careful of your choice to end the day. I will no longer accept any late votes to my PM box once end day has been resolved. Do Not Publicly Post Your Vote! You may lie about who you are voting for and allude to other’s who it is, but you may not name, names in the open forum. Night will begin once an End Day result is reached. You may not unvote End Day and once you publicly vote to end day you may not change your lynch vote or submit a new one. Vote breakdown will be listed in the day resolution, to help in voting analysis/voting patterns.

Q: Will roles be revealed upon death?

Not all roles will be revealed on death. This seems reasonable enough normally, as it's not clear that seeing a mafia's dead body would tell you that they were mafia. It's important in this game, seeing as how players can come back to life, that their life stories not be completely revealed. You do know however the total number of mafia to start the game is

Q: What happens if I go back in time and kill myself?

Ain’t going to happen, it’s against the rules. If you are thinking of doing this please don’t play.

Q: Couldn't this game go on for ever?

No. The key component to the time-travel mechanism is time-fuel, of which there is a limited quantity in this game. It is possible, however, in the case that everyone uses up all of their time fuel, that the game will turn into a regular game without time travel.

Q: Anything else I should know?

I hope I have done a decent amount of work to make sure that mass role-claiming will not benefit anyone very much. For instance, I will post a sample townie role PM: (note this is not the actual role, just an example).


You are a townie with a time machine, though unfortunately without time fuel...or at least much of it. You have just enough fuel to send a time shield into the future to protect yourself on a future night. Please confirm by PM, including which night you would like to send your time shield forward to.

Please confirm by POSTING in the FORUM and PLEASE be sure to read all of the rules.
Once everyone has “Confirmed” the game will begin.


And, of course, there are the below regular rules:

Other Rules

1) All communication outside this thread by me will be by PM. Please keep you in boxes open for communication from me and your fellow players if applicable.
2) Once the day's deadline has been reached, the lynchee is dead and Night has begun. Posting is allowed during Night, though additional votes will not be counted.
3) Once you are deceased, also decease from posting. Because of possible back-to-life issues, do not post anything else until/unless you are brought back to life.
4) All votes must be in bold via PM for lynch or via the public board for End Day. If you do not bold your vote, it will not be counted. Unvotes are appreciated, but not required, just send in a new PM. Voters will be announced in the nightly wrap up post. Due to the ever changing timeline you will need to submit to me 3 votes in your preferred order as the lynchings will change as players are bought back to life via time travel.
5) Please do not discuss this game out of thread unless your role specifically states you may communicate with other players.
6) Do not edit/delete any post. Just post again w/ the correction and quote the wrong one.
7) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment to the others. Be considerate: don't leave us hanging.
8) Do not quote any private communication from me or others. You may reword MY PM’s to you for play however, including roles if you so desire.
9) If there are four consecutive periods (where a period is either a night or a day) without a kill, the game will be ruled a draw unless I see convincing evidence to keep it going. For example, no lynch followed by no night kills followed again by no lynch and no night kill will probably be ruled a draw.
10) If a player is targeted to be killed more times than the number of times he is protected, he will die.
11) Remember that this is a game, intended to be enjoyable for everyone. I hope you play to win without giving in to name-calling or general meanness. I will give a warning PM to the offenders if it gets out of hand, and a subsequent infraction will be punishable by removal from the game.
12) If I do something stupid, please indicate this to me privately. I may or may not have made a mistake.
13) Game week will run Monday to Friday. Play will resume on Monday. No actions will happen from 8 PM Friday (Pacific Time) until Monday 7 AM (Pacific Time). It's a weekend enjoy it, watch a few games, spend time with the family, stop playing computer games for a bit. :)


REMINDERS

So remember to vote for 3 lynchings in order of preference via PM each day if you are dead or alive. Vote counts will not be done for the 2nd or 3rd votes unless needed. If per chance all three of your votes are deceased from past actions your vote will be recorded as No Lynch. 2nd & 3rd votes won’t be reveled until needed if at all.

To begin, the basic principle of the game must be stressed: the timeline. The timeline always progresses forward, no matter what is going on around you. You, as a town, will move from night 1 to day 1 to night 2 and so on, in that order, without repeating or going backwards or missing any days, guaranteed. Instead, you may find that history rewrites itself every night. The most current history will be recorded in the next post, which will serve as the current update post. When time-travelers use their time-traveling abilities, they will travel temporarily from the current night to the night of their choice (in the past, present or future), perform their role, and then return to the same instant of the current night they just left. In traveling to the past, the time-traveler may create an event that will alter history as the town knows it, and the new history will become the town’s new reality.

In the process of changing history, people may be removed (killed), or added back (brought back to life) to the timeline. When you die, you are probably not permanently dead. Instead, actions may occur in the past that affect whether or not you are killed. If you die, and an action that occurs in the past causes you to “come back to life”, you will be added back into the timeline at the point that you originally left: the point you died. Most importantly, you will be allowed to participate in all the days and nights that you missed up to that point, that is, to “catch up” with the rest of the timeline. Which is why it is important for a dead person to keep reading and voting and doing night actions as if they were alive in case they are brought back.

Due to the changing timeline it brings up a question: Does that mean that even lynches can be undone? The answer is simply: ‘yes’. You see: if on day 1, with 11 alive; 5 people vote for Person A, and 4 people vote for person B, Person A would be lynched at the deadline. If later in the game, a Mafia went back in time to night 1 and killed one of the players voting for Person A (say, Person C), then history would have to be rewritten. I, the mod, would remove Person C from the timeline, and thus, their vote would not count. Person A would now have had 4 votes on Day 1. Both Person A and Person B would be tie thus no lynch. Now I must remove Person B from the timeline as well. It should be noted that both Person A and Person B’s votes still count on Day 1, as usual, but they will be removed from any subsequent days and nights. Then, to further complicate matters, if the Mafia return once again to night one and kill Person D, another person voting for Person A, then on Day 1, Person A would have had 3 votes, and Person B 4 votes. Thus, Person B would be lynched. Now, as the mod, I must add Person A back to the timeline.

Confusing? Yes, it will be a little confusing for me. But I will do everything I can to ensure you as the town remain in complete control of what is going on. Every morning I will post a new history, replacing the old one. I will also post the new history in the game thread, so that when the ‘new’ history becomes the ‘old’ history, it will still be accessible. But I suggest you hold on to a copy for your records, in case you feel like trying to piece together the puzzle that this game will be.


CREDIT ORIGINAL RULES TO MAFIASCUM.NET. SOME DIRECT QUOTES AND/OR VARIATION’S OF THESE RULES WERE USED HERE WITH ADDITIONS AND/OR SUBTRACTIONS BY MYSELF.


ORDER OF EVENTS: (Some event’s/characters may or may not be in this game)

Day Begins
Lynch Votes
Day Ends
Night Begins
Time Travel Action (if any)
Protects
Kills
Current Night Action (if any)
Protects
Kills

KNOWN ROLES IN THIS GAME: (none are public knowledge)

Villagers
Mafia
Bodyguard
Investigator (can not be killed/lynched on day/night one of initial timeline)

Yes, there are other “hidden” roles.

Victory is Villagers win if all Mafia is eliminated. Mafia win via 1:1 ratio Mafia to Villagers.

Player's List

1) Passacaglia
2) pennywisesb
3) ardent enthusiast
4) Mr. Wednesday
5) Raiders Army
6) Barkeep49
7) Blade6119
8) kingfc22
9) ntndeacon
10) RealDeal
11) digamma

[henry296]

Fascinating rules, but I will be away starting the 7th, so I can't play this one.

[Vince]

Holy crap -- this is going to be confusing as hell.

Count me in :D

[RPI-Fan]

I'm in.

[Passacaglia]

Count me in!

[pennywisesb]

I've been waiting for a WW game. I'm in.

[Mr. Wednesday]

How long is the game going to run? I'll be leaving town from the 20th to the 23rd, so I can only play if it will be over by the 20th.

[SnDvls]

How long is the game going to run? I'll be leaving town from the 20th to the 23rd, so I can only play if it will be over by the 20th.

it should be over by then. I anticipate it to be the same length of a regular game if not shorter. Again you all determine the length of the day so it can go as fast or as slow as the players make it.

edit to correct spelling of length...man that was bad 2 of 'em

[saldana]

and i thought we couldnt play a game more confusing than barkeeps.....

since i can access the game during my lunch hour

i am in

[Poli]

In.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll sign up for it, then.

[Raiders Army]

I'm up for it, but I want to be a good guy :)

[Barkeep49]

Count me in.

[Blade6119]

count me in

[kingfc22]

I'm in!

[Raiders Army]

Thanks for spelling my name right, SnDvls. :)

[ntndeacon]

I am in as well

[RealDeal]

I'm in.

[SnDvls]

Okay looks like we have enough. I'll leave it open for 3 more and if anyone else wants in as an alternate I'll put you on too. I'll be at the ASU/USC game all day tomorrow then off to Disney so I'll update the list once I'm back.

[RPI-Fan]

I've decided that my time is strained enough as it is, and I don't particularly want to push things any more.

As such, I hope it's Ok if I resign from the game -- if you do need me in just let me know and I will be happy to particpate actively.

[Vince]

Sadly, I as well will have to decline my spot in the game. It's going to be a busy enough week, so I'll sit this one out. Sorry guys, but I'd hate to try and stay in it and not be active.

[saldana]

would you believe, upon further review, i have to drop out too...my wifes work and school schedule are leaving my on baby duty for about 80 hours nonstop this week and next. sorry fellas

[pennywisesb]

Maybe we should hold off on this game until next week when more people will be able to participate.....

[Passacaglia]

That means we lose Mr. Wednesday.

[digamma]

I can play.

[Blade6119]

i can play, but id vote push it back a week

[Barkeep49]

Well I would rather play now than push a week. That being said I will be unavailable until 5ish Eastern and thus nothing should be read into my absence if the game starts tommorrow.

[Mr. Wednesday]

If you can get back five people at the cost of losing me, by all means, lose me.

[SnDvls]

just need one more and we can go.

[SnDvls]

bump

still need one more to get this started.

[SnDvls]

sent a pm to those signed up. I can run it with 11 without a prob. if you all want. Let me know either here or PM so I can send out roles and get it going.

[Raiders Army]

As I stated in my PM, I'm good with anything. I'm ready to lynch some bad guys.

[Barkeep49]

As I responded in my PM I want a balanced game. If you can balance 11, let's do that. If it takes 12 to give both sides a fair shot, then 12 it should be.

[SnDvls]

okay the general feeling is go with it so I'll send out roles tomorrow and we'll officially begin on Monday.

[ntndeacon]

Well i got my role and am ready to begin this puppy.... I mean to kill these mafioso.

[digamma]

Role received. Ready to root out the baddies.

[SnDvls]

players
1) Passacagilia - killed to end game by mafia BODYGUARD
2) pennywisesb - MAFIA won game
3) ardent enthusiast - lynched day 1 VILLAGER
4) Mr. Wednesday - lynched day 3 VILLAGER
5) Raiders Army - killed night 2 by serial killer MAFIA
6) Barkeep49 - killed to end game by mafia VILLAGER
7) Blade6119 - killed night 1 by mafia (time travel) VIGILANTE
8) kingfc22 - MAFIA won game
9) ntndeacon - killed night 1 by Blade INVESTIGATOR
10) RealDeal - lynched day 2 VILLAGER
11) digamma - killed night 2 by mafia SERIAL KILLER



Background – You are all in a very small town, with a great secret. A professor at the local university has discovered a way to personal time travel. At first he was only able to send objects into the future, but somehow he was able to gain some additional funding to move his invention along. There were rumors he had found a way to transport people, not only to the future, but to the past and get them back to the revised present. The local Investigator suspects foul play as the professor has vanished as have several of his supposed “people porters”. Several villagers remain in the town, and rumors have run rampart as to who could have possession the “people porters” as well as who still has the old outdated “object porters”.

Day 1

Everyone gathers in the town square and no one is quite sure who will get strung up today. As wary glances shoot back and forth accusations begin to fly as to who is mafia. Five of you quickly grab ardent enthusiast and begin to question him. ardent calls out Blade saying he is the one to go after, but to no avail as the village has agreed to go with the person having the most votes. ardent enthusiast is strung up by the big oak tree for all to see. He struggles for a bit, but is then left lifeless hanging there. You all hope you got one of the mafia tonight and made the right choice.

(in no particular order)

ardent enthusiast (5) – Raiders Army, pennywisesb, digamma, Mr. Wednesday, Blade6119
kingfc22 (1) – ntndeacon
Blade6119 (1) – ardent enthusiast
Barkeep49 (1) – kingfc22
No Votes - Passacagila, Barkeep49, RealDeal

Night 1

You all go to bed hoping for a peaceful night's sleep, but everyone knows that isn't possible with the mafia running around. You hear the gun shots in the distance and you know that it can't be good, then you hear a few more shots and some screaming. Looks like someone was protected. Just as you begin to fall back to sleep you again hear a the gun shots….this you know can’t be good. However, two of the shots sounded the same, you are pretty certain that an additional one came from someone else. In the morning you all, well almost all of you, wake up. Someone is missing, no two people are missing. You look around and begin to realize that ntndeacon/ardent and Blade are not around. A quick search of the village and you find ntndeacon/ardent’s body in his room. He was shot, but you can tell it wasn’t by the mafia, but who? It appears that he was the investigator. Then you all quickly run to Blade’s house, looks like he was either just entering his house or exiting it when the mafia got him. Why would he be out at night is the big question? Barkeep doesn’t know who protected him, but he knows he was a target and was saved by someone.

Day 2

You all gather around the town square again for the daily lynch. Everyone is still uneasy as they don't know who is mafia and who isn't. Everyone is there except Real Deal who comes stumbling in late. Five of you quickly grab him and beat him into submission. You string him up to the tree next to ardent and wait for his lifeless body to go limp before heading back to your normal day. RealDeal has been lynched.You all go to bed a little uneasy tonight. It could be a long night for some of the villagers.

RealDeal (5) - kingfc, Raiders Army, Pass, Barkeep, digamma
Pass (1) - Mr. Wednesday
No Vote - RealDeal, pennywisesb,

Night 2

The night passes and it’s eerily quiet. No gun shots, no screaming. Then you hear the same two shots you heard on night one. What is going on in this town? Once morning comes you all gather in the town square. Just like last night there are two of you missing, digamma and Raiders Army. You now are searching around trying to figure what is happening to all the villagers when you run across Raiders Army’s body, he’s been gagged and tortured with a note attached to his body by a knife. Looks like the serial killer got him last night. Now it time to find digamma, he just like Blade from the night before, looks like he was caught coming back home the mafia got him.

Day 3

You all gather in the town square for the lynch vote. Mr. Wednesday and Barkeep seem to have confirmed eachother as a normal villager. Everyone has a weird feeling in their body though that this could turn out bad. pennywisesb and kingfc22 don’t feel that Mr. W is on the up and up though and accusations begin to fly. Barkeep thinks king is bad and Mr. W feels it’s penny. It all comes down to Passacagilla. With a confused look in his eye he throws his vote to lynch Mr. Wednesday. Mr. W is quickly strung up and his lifeless body comes to rest. Just then pennywisesb and kingfc pull their guns and shoot pass and barkeep. The mafia gained their 1:1 ratio and have gained control of the time machines. The mafia have won.

Mr. W (3) - penny, king, pass
king (1) - Barkeep
penny (1) - Mr. W

[Blade6119]

I recieved my PM, ready to play.

[pennywisesb]

I received my PM as well.

[Passacaglia]

I have received my PM!

[Poli]

Word. PM Received.

[kingfc22]

Yea, now I just have to remember how to play this game.

[Barkeep49]

As an innocent for the first time at the start of a game, I'm ready.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Role received.

#include <stdvillager>

[Raiders Army]

Got my PM as well.

[RealDeal]

confirmed

[Blade6119]

so ya...

[Raiders Army]

History for Day 1?

[SnDvls]

post #37 updated

Begin Day 1...remember you all control the length of the days.

[Blade6119]

So where does everyone want to go on day one?

[Barkeep49]

I don't know. This is a tricky thing indeed. Now presumably there are good guys who can travel back in time. So I propose the following: We do it so each person recieves 1 vote. There will be a no lynch. HOWEVER, when we do discover a wolf, a good guy would be able to travel back in time, change the vote, and thus kill a wolf, and possibly save lives later on. Now I don't have the power to travel back in time, but others must. If we agree to do this plan and someone doesn't vote the way they're supposed to that gives us a great piece of information for the next day.

[Blade6119]

but where will that leave us tomorrow??...with everyone having 1 vote, no voting patterns, and a dead person from the wolves...well be at square one again tomorrow with one less person and no leads

[Barkeep49]

But that's where you're wrong. We won't have eliminated anyone YET. But we'll have setup a mafia kill down the road and allow any good guys with seer powers, such as the investigator, to either rule out somebody or, if we're lucky, find a mafia member. To me it's a short term trade-off for a long term gain.

[Blade6119]

i see where your going with it, and with this small number i presume you take the chances with the seer...but with 11 im betting only one good seer, and 2 bad guys...i dont love those odds...but ill comply if thats what the group wants

[digamma]

I'm here. Still sorting through the rules.

Barkeep, maybe an alternative to your strategy would be to have two lynching candidates and try to have the difference be a one vote swing. Then, we do have a shot at taking out a mafioso, and would still have the opportunity to travel back and change it if we are wrong (if I am reading the rules correctly). The downside to that is that if we pick two good guys, we're in trouble early.

[Blade6119]

I'm here. Still sorting through the rules.

Barkeep, maybe an alternative to your strategy would be to have two lynching candidates and try to have the difference be a one vote swing. Then, we do have a shot at taking out a mafioso, and would still have the opportunity to travel back and change it if we are wrong (if I am reading the rules correctly). The downside to that is that if we pick two good guys, we're in trouble early.

Ya, it would work if we were lucky...if not were screwed

[Barkeep49]

Digamma what do you think is gained by choosing two rather than leaving our options open with everybody? If we're rigging the vote in anyway we won't know get voting patterns. If we kill somebody there is far more incentive for the person who is killed to not go along with the idea and try and scrap the whole idea. By not killing anybody there is no personal incentive to go against the plan if people agree.

[Blade6119]

But if i was a warewolf and my head wasnt on the block, or that of my partner/partners id just sit there and be helpful...why would they go against it if none of them are in danger?

[Blade6119]

and also, do we even find out who votes for who?...they could all vote together and we wouldnt know who did it

[Barkeep49]

Yes but the two people who are chosen have good reasons to fight the vote. For instance, what if we choose the investigator? That would be even worse than killing a villager. In general, I agree that killing someone on the first day is important. However, in this case we have a chance to "fix" mistakes. A random killing tomorrow, assuming the mafia kill somebody tonight, is more likely to be successful than one today. Plus we'll have the ace in the hole of being able to ENSURE a mafia kill in the future.

[digamma]

and also, do we even find out who votes for who?...they could all vote together and we wouldnt know who did it
This is a good point. I think we know the initial vote, but if the vote is changed at all, I'm not sure we find it out.

[Barkeep49]

and also, do we even find out who votes for who?...they could all vote together and we wouldnt know who did it
As I read the rules we do.

Vote breakdown will be listed in the day resolution, to help in voting analysis/voting patterns.

SNDVLS: Can you confirm that we find out who voted for who?

[digamma]

Digamma what do you think is gained by choosing two rather than leaving our options open with everybody? If we're rigging the vote in anyway we won't know get voting patterns. If we kill somebody there is far more incentive for the person who is killed to not go along with the idea and try and scrap the whole idea. By not killing anybody there is no personal incentive to go against the plan if people agree.
I do think it builds some history and let's us draw from it. But, it is a risk, because if we're wrong, (in the words of Blade), we're screwed. I'm not wedded to the strategy, just brainstorming ideas early in the game.

[Passacaglia]

But that's where you're wrong. We won't have eliminated anyone YET. But we'll have setup a mafia kill down the road and allow any good guys with seer powers, such as the investigator, to either rule out somebody or, if we're lucky, find a mafia member. To me it's a short term trade-off for a long term gain.

I still don't see the long-term gain. How would we discoever the mafia?

[SnDvls]

and also, do we even find out who votes for who?...they could all vote together and we wouldnt know who did it


Yes the votes are known, but not until after the lynch if resolved.

[ntndeacon]

Of course are the good guys the only ones that can go back in time? That is a possible problem in your plan.

[Barkeep49]

I still don't see the long-term gain. How would we discoever the mafia?
Often times these things have a way of coming out.

NTN: That is true, bad guys likely can go back in time as well. However, if a bad guy does so, and kills someone who we don't believe to be a wolf, that vote change will tell us to be suspicious of somebody.

[pennywisesb]

I do think it builds some history and let's us draw from it. But, it is a risk, because if we're wrong, (in the words of Blade), we're screwed. I'm not wedded to the strategy, just brainstorming ideas early in the game.

Villager checking in. I agree with Digamma, this seems alittle risky.

[ntndeacon]

After this iwill be quiet till Iget off work.
There have been several times that "everyone" was sure that they knew who was a werewolf, and they ALL were wrong. Now I realize we must have some risk in this game to get our desired result...the killing of the mafioso.

We won't know who has gone back to kill.

Hopefully it will still be Day one by the time Iget back so I can make a slightly better desicion than I can at this time for whom to lynch.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to be gone for the next 11 hours or so. If others don't like my plan (which there seems to be some resistance towards) hopefully we'll have some new ideas by then.

[Raiders Army]

No ideas here, but I don't like the thought of sitting around. There are a couple of problems with that:

1. What if the seer is not an "active" player? What if that person just checks in periodically and forgets to view tonight? Then we will have gained nothing.

2. If we sit around, the wolves can pick off one of us tonight. Now, that's better than losing two today (one with lynch and one by wolves), but sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omlette.

3. The more time we do nothing, the more time it gives them to come up with a strategy and figure out how they should pick off.

Those are my concerns, but I'm willing to do whatever.

[Raiders Army]

Man, this is the slowest WW game ever.

[Blade6119]

only 11 guys, not the 20 normal...i wonder how many good guys have secret roles...there are some, i just wonder how many

[digamma]

I was just thinking the same thing. Of course, the first day does always suck, but here it's especially confusing, because of our first experience with the time travel rules.

[Blade6119]

and the silent vote...and technically we decide when the day ends

[digamma]

Any merit to voting to end the day with no lynch votes out there?

[pennywisesb]

With 11 total players, how many baddies do we think there are? I have a hard time believing there is the usual 3 at this point, or else they'd be at a huge advantage. I'm leaning towards 2 at this point.

[Blade6119]

ive stated i tihnk we have 2, one good seer, and 2 secret good roles...be it witness or vigilante

[digamma]

An early observation (For what its worth)...

I believe there are four folks who haven't posted since the game started--Mr. Wednesday, kingfc, RealDeal and ardent enthusiast. Of those, only AE has logged on to the site today.

[Blade6119]

An early observation (For what its worth)...

I believe there are four folks who haven't posted since the game started--Mr. Wednesday, kingfc, RealDeal and ardent enthusiast. Of those, only AE has logged on to the site today.

Every little bit helps...thats defaults ardent to the top of my list for now

[pennywisesb]

Every little bit helps...thats defaults ardent to the top of my list for now

Agreed. It seems alittle strange that he'd log in but not post in this thread.....We don't have very much to go on, so this seems as good of a first day reasoning as any.

[Blade6119]

Agreed. It seems alittle strange that he'd log in but not post in this thread.....We don't have very much to go on, so this seems as good of a first day reasoning as any.

What interests me is if dead people will really stay active...dead people are required to continue voting(silently), but i wonder if people will..especially the quiet ones...such as the ones he listed a few posts ago...but what else can we get going for reasoning on anyone?? Anyone feel guilty and want to confess to being a wolf? :confused:

[Vince]

In AE's defense, we had the Wildcard round of the Playoffs this morning in the GEFL, in which his Kansas City Chiefs narrowly defeated MIJB's Houston Oilers, 16-15. That might be why he's been around, but not posting much.

[pennywisesb]

In AE's defense, we had the Wildcard round of the Playoffs this morning in the GEFL, in which his Kansas City Chiefs narrowly defeated MIJB's Houston Oilers, 16-15. That might be why he's been around, but not posting much.

Why are you not playing again?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I don't know. This is a tricky thing indeed. Now presumably there are good guys who can travel back in time. So I propose the following: We do it so each person recieves 1 vote. There will be a no lynch. HOWEVER, when we do discover a wolf, a good guy would be able to travel back in time, change the vote, and thus kill a wolf, and possibly save lives later on. Now I don't have the power to travel back in time, but others must. If we agree to do this plan and someone doesn't vote the way they're supposed to that gives us a great piece of information for the next day.How does this work when the bad guys also presumably have someone who can travel back in time?

[Mr. Wednesday]

According to the original rules posting, we would be told at the beginning of the game how many mafia we were up against. Is that still the case? Did I miss the post that provides that information?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Double dola, how are we going to coordinate only voting for one person each when we're not supposed to reveal who we vote for?

[digamma]

Double dola, how are we going to coordinate only voting for one person each when we're not supposed to reveal who we vote for?
I think our initial vote is revealed publicly, but our back-up vote is pm'd to Sundvls, no?

[Raiders Army]

I thought we voted 1, 2, 3 PM to SnDvls.

[SnDvls]

I think our initial vote is revealed publicly, but our back-up vote is pm'd to Sundvls, no?


vote #1 is not public until after lynch. #2 &#3 will not be made public unless the timeline changes and dictates such.

[SnDvls]

I thought we voted 1, 2, 3 PM to SnDvls.


correct

[SnDvls]

Double dola, how are we going to coordinate only voting for one person each when we're not supposed to reveal who we vote for?


you cannot say

vote joe

however you can say like others have. I'm leaning towards X Y & Z

it allows you to be credible if you choose by doing that and having your vote after lynch saying such or allows others to question you at that point. The votes you really need to think about are #2 & #3 probally in the first few days because those can have a major impact down the line.

[SnDvls]

According to the original rules posting, we would be told at the beginning of the game how many mafia we were up against. Is that still the case? Did I miss the post that provides that information?


sorry if I alluded to this, but it is not the case. I looked at the rules to see if I did copy that item from mafiascum.net and couldn't find it. Anyhow, it is not the case.

[digamma]

OK. Sorry for the confusion on the voting.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Just FYI, the part about number of mafia was this:

Q: Will roles be revealed upon death?

Not all roles will be revealed on death. This seems reasonable enough normally, as it's not clear that seeing a mafia's dead body would tell you that they were mafia. It's important in this game, seeing as how players can come back to life, that their life stories not be completely revealed. You do know however the total number of mafia to start the game is

[Mr. Wednesday]

So, who were we randomly voting for today, again? :p

I'm thinking given his in-game determination that I'm usually dangerous, I should vote for ardent as a matter of principle, but I'm open to suggestions for other candidates for my primary or secondary votes.

[Blade6119]

Im leaning to ardent for my first vote, and the others i dont know yet...prob random since im not sold on quiet ones only...

[Mr. Wednesday]

So are we going to try to target a few people, or disperse our votes? Dispersed votes don't tell us a whole lot, but on the other hand, we won't know when we nail a mafioso yet anyway.

[SnDvls]

Just FYI, the part about number of mafia was this:


I see sorry my bad....so I'll follow my rules....there are 3 mafia to start the game.

to help the villagers and since it was a rule there you are. Thanks for pointing it out to me.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I was more pointing it out so you knew from whence I had drawn the conclusion, but I do appreciate us getting notified.

[kingfc22]

Just got home from a long day at work. So we have to vote to end the day to finalize the votes?

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yup. I'd kinda like a little more than I have right now to go on... I'm set for two of my votes, but I need a third.

[Barkeep49]

I am fine killing off a quiet person as if they are being quiet then they are not helping the team even if they are a good guy. With three wolves out there I think that there are quiet a few players who could easily lead us astray.

[kingfc22]

So RealDeal and AE are the only two that I haven't seen around. So are we going to play this first day with a random vote and no accusations? I'm always fond of accusing somebody on day 1 because you might be able to pick up something when looking back. Especially since we are only ahead 8-3 rather than the normal (15-20) to (3-4) lead, thus giving us a better likelihood that we pin down a bad guy early.

[Poli]

I'm in. Just drove from home to Great Lakes.

[ntndeacon]

I vote to end the first day

I think the sooner we end this first day the sooner we can start to find the mafioso.

[Blade6119]

I'm in. Just drove from home to Great Lakes.

Then why were you on the board earlier...various other players spotted you...?? :confused: :confused:

[Blade6119]

I vote to end the first day

I think the sooner we end this first day the sooner we can start to find the mafioso.

Gotta get our votes in first...want me to send in basically a random ballot now and vote to end the day or wait?

[Poli]

Then why were you on the board earlier...various other players spotted you...?? :confused: :confused:Because I had a few minutes to spare to check on things, say, about 6 hours ago. I then hit the road. The board probably kept me logged in for 5 minutes or so after that.

[Poli]

Actually, now that I think of it, I probably haven't been on the computer for the last 8 hours or so. I watched 2 episodes of Lost before I packed up the car, dropped off my wife (and pets) at her mom's, and drove the remaining 386 miles here to the base.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Let's be reasonable, regardless of what side he's on, ardent would want to post something in the thread. That he didn't is far more likely to reflect circumstances getting in the way than any nefarious intentions.

[Passacaglia]

Let's be reasonable, regardless of what side he's on, ardent would want to post something in the thread. That he didn't is far more likely to reflect circumstances getting in the way than any nefarious intentions.

If he was on some sort of trip, werewolf might not have been at the top of his priority list, ya know?

I don't think we have much to go on, really. I say we vote No Lynch, and wait until we know more.

[Barkeep49]

Nothing is gained by a no lynch. If you remember in Spawn werewolf many people came to reget the first day no lynch.

[Blade6119]

Nothing is gained by a no lynch. If you remember in Spawn werewolf many people came to reget the first day no lynch.
i echo this...as someone against the no lynch last game, im against it again...we would just be at square one again...we need to lynch someone

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'd like to keep the game moving, so...
Vote end-of-day

[Passacaglia]

Nothing is gained by a no lynch. If you remember in Spawn werewolf many people came to reget the first day no lynch.

I thought you were essentially proposing a no lynch in post #51.

[digamma]

I'm with Mr. Wednesday. We need to move this thing along.

Vote end of day.

[SnDvls]

need three more votes to end day (at least 50%)

I have lynch votes from 7 of you 3 of you are locked in your votes as you have voted to end day.

[Blade6119]

Vote end of day

[Raiders Army]

Vote End of Day

[Passacaglia]

VOTE END OF DAY

[SnDvls]

Day one has ended give me a moment to process the lynch and you can submit to me your night actions.

[Barkeep49]

Well darn. That end of day came quicker than I was expecting and I did not submit a vote.

[SnDvls]

Day 1

Everyone gathers in the town square and no one is quite sure who will get strung up today. As wary glances shoot back and forth accusations begin to fly as to who is mafia. Five of you quickly grab ardent enthusiast and begin to question him. ardent calls out Blade saying he is the one to go after, but to no avail as the village has agreed to go with the person having the most votes. ardent enthusiast is strung up by the big oak tree for all to see. He struggles for a bit, but is then left lifeless hanging there. You all hope you got one of the mafia tonight and made the right choice.

(in no particular order)

ardent enthusiast (5) – Raiders Army, pennywisesb, digamma, Mr. Wednesday, Blade6119
kingfc22 (1) – ntndeacon
Blade6119 (1) – ardent enthusiast
Barkeep49 (1) – kingfc22
No Votes - Passacagila, Barkeep49, RealDeal

Please send in night actions by 6 PM Pacific

[SnDvls]

post #37 (current time line is updated too)

sonner I get night actions the sooner we can keep this moving.

[Barkeep49]

Can we have a 12 or 14 hour cut-off for night actions to ensure that the game does move forward at night?

[Blade6119]

Ok, so since we dont know who he was where do we go from here?...Id say at least one mafia is one the arden vote list, and one didnt vote...the third i dont know...but i bet theres 2...now which two i dont know

[Poli]

...

[Blade6119]

...

if your good, we can bring ya back later in the game...you shouldnt have voted for me like i knew you would..now be quiet dead boy

[Poli]

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[Mr. Wednesday]

Dang. I wasn't trying to accuse ardent.

Er, that's dang if we're wrong, good job! if we're right. :p

[SnDvls]

Can we have a 12 or 14 hour cut-off for night actions to ensure that the game does move forward at night?


sure I'll push it to 9 PM Pacific.

all it means is I won't get to process the night actions if they come in late until tomorrow morning.

[pennywisesb]

Sorry I wasn't around later on yesterday, but I had a crazy night at the fire station. I should be able to have access for most of the day today however. I hope AE was mafia. That kinda sucks we don't know though.

[Blade6119]

sure I'll push it to 9 PM Pacific.

all it means is I won't get to process the night actions if they come in late until tomorrow morning.
That sounds fair to me

[Blade6119]

Ok, so since we dont know who he was where do we go from here?...Id say at least one mafia is one the arden vote list, and one didnt vote...the third i dont know...but i bet theres 2...now which two i dont know

Anyone have thoughts?

[digamma]

Tough to say without knowing what happens during the night, but I agree that the ardent voters likely include at least one mafioso.

[Poli]

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[Raiders Army]

...
Stop stealing my line!

[Raiders Army]

I would agree that at least one of the people who voted for Ardent is a bad guy. Who, I'm not sure. That being said, how do we know Ardent wasn't a bad guy? Could you elaborate a little SnDvls? Also, did anyone else find it strange that Ardent called out Blade right before he got lynched?

If you were a good guy, Ardent, then I'm sorry. Hopefully we can bring you back to life and make it right if you were. That being said, at least we have some suspects now (one of them me, but I know I'm not a bad guy)...

[SnDvls]

That being said, how do we know Ardent wasn't a bad guy? Could you elaborate a little SnDvls?


I really can't as it could skew the game, it will come out in due time.

[Poli]

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[Blade6119]

I would agree that at least one of the people who voted for Ardent is a bad guy. Who, I'm not sure. That being said, how do we know Ardent wasn't a bad guy? Could you elaborate a little SnDvls? Also, did anyone else find it strange that Ardent called out Blade right before he got lynched?

If you were a good guy, Ardent, then I'm sorry. Hopefully we can bring you back to life and make it right if you were. That being said, at least we have some suspects now (one of them me, but I know I'm not a bad guy)...

lol, ardent called me out and voted me because of spawn game when i was very outward and got him killed...he ignore listed me for a bit...hes just carrying that over here... :redface:

[Raiders Army]

If I remember right, I think I owe him this:

*kicks Ardent Enthusiast's corpse*

Quiet dead guy.

[pennywisesb]

If I remember right, I think I owe him this:

*kicks Ardent Enthusiast's corpse*

Quiet dead guy.

LOL. I love it when previous games carry over into the current game :p

[pennywisesb]

Dola. Where the heck is RealDeal?

[Passacaglia]

Sorry, ardent. Hopefully it all works out for the best.

Anyone have any thoughts? I figure we just wait for morning.

[Poli]

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[kingfc22]

I agree with Barkeep that one of the non-voters is a bad guy. It would make sense for one of them to lay low for the first part of the game.

[ntndeacon]

I agree with Barkeep that one of the non-voters is a bad guy. It would make sense for one of them to lay low for the first part of the game.

Possibly, But one of the winning strategies for the wolves is to have one of their members amonst the talkers. SO it is very possible that at least one of the mafia is amonst the loud people.

[Blade6119]

I agree with Barkeep that one of the non-voters is a bad guy. It would make sense for one of them to lay low for the first part of the game.

Possibly, But one of the winning strategies for the wolves is to have one of their members amonst the talkers. SO it is very possible that at least one of the mafia is amonst the loud people.

Like 30 posts before either of you....could have just commented on this and not repeated my thoughtd

Ok, so since we dont know who he was where do we go from here?...Id say at least one mafia is on the ardent vote list, and one didnt vote...the third i dont know...but i bet theres 2...now which two i dont know

[Mr. Wednesday]

As a multiple-time former bad guy, I can assure you that I never thought it was a good idea to not vote at all. What was ideal was when everything was spread out, or there was a run-off between two good guys. It's basically impossible to get anything useful out of a vote when we don't know what the result of the vote was, or what any of the players involved were.

[Blade6119]

Is there really any way to find out other then the investigator??...or are we just going off on nothing here?? I mean, in a game like this, the investigator hitting is huge since we can go back in time and kill bad guys or save good guys

[Poli]

lol, ardent called me out and voted me because of spawn game when i was very outward and got him killed...he ignore listed me for a bit...hes just carrying that over here... :redface:
Don't flatter yourself.

[Blade6119]

Don't flatter yourself.

im playing a game and reasoning..your dead...i dont see what you dont get about be quiet when your dead...its in the rules :confused: :confused:

[Raiders Army]

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Copycat.

[Poli]

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[Raiders Army]

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SnDvls, he's copying me! Make him stop, or I'm going to pout!!!

[Poli]

SnDvls, he's copying me! Make him stop, or I'm going to pout!!!...!

[pennywisesb]

Bump for lack of participation. Do we have an ETA on when the night actions will be processed? I think once they happen we might have alittle more evidence to weigh in with when making our day two votes.

[Blade6119]

Bump for lack of participation. Do we have an ETA on when the night actions will be processed? I think once they happen we might have alittle more evidence to weigh in with when making our day two votes.

i think sun said 9 pacific was the deadline, but when they will be processed i dont know

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yeah, we might want to avoid having the night run through the middle of the day (when everyone typically participates) the next time.

[SnDvls]

i think sun said 9 pacific was the deadline, but when they will be processed i dont know


waiting on night actions still. Once I have them we can move on, or the time of 9 PM Pacific. if it goes to the later I won't have night results up until 8 AM-ish tomorrow

[SnDvls]

got 'em all now give me a moment to process.

[Poli]

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[SnDvls]

Night 1

You all go to bed hoping for a peaceful night's sleep, but everyone knows that isn't possible with the mafia running around. You hear the gun shots in the distance and you know that it can't be good. In the morning you all, well almost all of you, wake up. Someone is missing. You look around and begin to realize that Barkeep49 is not around. A quick search of the woods finds his body lying with two shots in the head. This is the work of the mafia.

Day 2 has begun

(post #37 updated)

[Poli]

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[Blade6119]

Day 1

Everyone gathers in the town square and no one is quite sure who will get strung up today. As wary glances shoot back and forth accusations begin to fly as to who is mafia. Five of you quickly grab ardent enthusiast and begin to question him. ardent calls out Blade saying he is the one to go after, but to no avail as the village has agreed to go with the person having the most votes. ardent enthusiast is strung up by the big oak tree for all to see. He struggles for a bit, but is then left lifeless hanging there. You all hope you got one of the mafia tonight and made the right choice.

(in no particular order)

ardent enthusiast (5) – Raiders Army, pennywisesb, digamma, Mr. Wednesday, Blade6119
kingfc22 (1) – ntndeacon
Blade6119 (1) – ardent enthusiast
Barkeep49 (1) – kingfc22
No Votes - Passacagila, Barkeep49, RealDeal

Please send in night actions by 6 PM Pacific

Night 1

You all go to bed hoping for a peaceful night's sleep, but everyone knows that isn't possible with the mafia running around. You hear the gun shots in the distance and you know that it can't be good. In the morning you all, well almost all of you, wake up. Someone is missing. You look around and begin to realize that Barkeep49 is not around. A quick search of the woods finds his body lying with two shots in the head. This is the work of the mafia.

Day 2 has begun

(post #37 updated)

So that clears king in my mind, as it would take a retarded mafia to kill the guy only you voted for...ntdeacon is at least a little suspicious by this becuase king becomes my only trusted villager...as for others everyone else is on my radar

[pennywisesb]

That sucks Barkeep. You were one of the few who was actively participating. Hopefully we will be able to re-write time and bring you back.

As far as suspicion....I'm still not sure yet. I don't want to jump the gun on Deacon, because I think night one voting was pretty random. I think the mafia would probably try to spread their votes out and not be stupid enough to all vote for the same person. I'm guessing that one probably voted for AE and the other two either voted for different peope or maybe one didn't vote at all. I'm still wondering where RD is.

[digamma]

Losing Barkeep sucks. RD not being around is disappointing.

I'm not sure where we go from here either.

Should we try to focus on the AE voters, figuring we have at least one mafia in there?

[Passacaglia]

Losing Barkeep sucks. RD not being around is disappointing.

I'm not sure where we go from here either.

Should we try to focus on the AE voters, figuring we have at least one mafia in there?

That makes sense to me. The problem is, what sets any of them apart from the others?

[digamma]

That makes sense to me. The problem is, what sets any of them apart from the others?
Not much, at this point (and I recognize I was one of those voters).

Unless something else breaks, it may make the most sense from a numbers game.

[Raiders Army]

Well, we lost Barkeep but we do have the possibility of bringing him back...and that may be a good thing if he keeps up in the thread. I think it's a no-brainer to bring him back as opposed to bringing AE back since we know for sure he's a good guy.

(On second thought, it would be a extremely good ploy for the mafia to kill one of our own and then have us save him...that would be ironic...but I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to do that)

Anyhow, we are pretty damn sure Barkeep was a good guy so that gives us some options (looking at the glass half-full). What's the deal with Real Deal?

[Poli]

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[Raiders Army]

Stop taunting me!

[Blade6119]

Well, we lost Barkeep but we do have the possibility of bringing him back...and that may be a good thing if he keeps up in the thread. I think it's a no-brainer to bring him back as opposed to bringing AE back since we know for sure he's a good guy.

(On second thought, it would be a extremely good ploy for the mafia to kill one of our own and then have us save him...that would be ironic...but I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to do that)

Anyhow, we are pretty damn sure Barkeep was a good guy so that gives us some options (looking at the glass half-full). What's the deal with Real Deal?

I like it, but cop shouldnt reveal himself when doing so...protecting barkeep on night one...real deal's absence is odd, not sure how to read that...id say we vote one of the ardent voters(yes, im one of them) as im pretty sure one is in there...or deacon due to the king factor

[Barkeep49]

SnDvlsA rules question: I know us deadies are allowed to vote for lynch. Are we still allowed to vote for end of day with it obviously only mattering if we're brought back?

[Poli]

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[kingfc22]

Well it seems as if the mafia wants to set me up. There HAS to be one mafia guy in the AE list, unless of course AE was a mafia himself.

So are we actually going to discuss who we are going to vote for this time or let it be random again?

[Blade6119]

Well it seems as if the mafia wants to set me up. There HAS to be one mafia guy in the AE list, unless of course AE was a mafia himself.

So are we actually going to discuss who we are going to vote for this time or let it be random again?

id say raiders, wednesday, or penny, as digamma seems good so far

[Raiders Army]

id say Blade6119, wednesday, or penny, as digamma seems good so far
Aren't you missing someone there? Fixed it for you.

I know I'm a good guy, but I still wonder why Ardent voted for you. This isn't meant to throw suspicion on you, but I see you left yourself out of the above.

[Poli]

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[Blade6119]

Aren't you missing someone there? Fixed it for you.

I know I'm a good guy, but I still wonder why Ardent voted for you. This isn't meant to throw suspicion on you, but I see you left yourself out of the above.

I did, i mentioned the post before that i was one of the ones who voted for him...i didnt accuse myself since i know im good...i wouldnt expect anyone to put their names on their sucpect list...would you? :confused:

[kingfc22]

Blade - I still think you are correct that one mafia member is part of the non-voter group as well. The mafia helped us out by getting rid of one of the 3 there. That leaves only RealDeal and Pass remaining in that group.

[Raiders Army]

I wouldn't put myself on my own suspect list, but I would put myself on a public suspect list...especially when the lynched voted for you...but then again, that's predicated upon AE being a good guy.

I see two possibilities for your situation:

1. AE was a bad guy, and since he voted for you you must be a good guy.
2. AE was a good guy, and since he voted for you it doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't mean anything, since if he were a good guy, then he wouldn't know for sure if you were a bad guy, right? So the chances are, you're probably a good guy. I would still consider you a suspect, but you are probably on the level, and probably more so than anyone else.

I would have preferred to hear this from you, since it would show your innocence even more, but that's my analysis of his vote for you.

[digamma]

Aren't you missing someone there? Fixed it for you.

I know I'm a good guy, but I still wonder why Ardent voted for you. This isn't meant to throw suspicion on you, but I see you left yourself out of the above.
ditto digamma.

Yeah, I think each of the five of us could make that list of the other four.

[Blade6119]

so since were already on day 2, we can already talk voting...im leaning pass and real deal right now...any objections?

[Raiders Army]

Just one, why Passacaglia? I can understand Real Deal since he hasn't showed, but why Pass?

[Raiders Army]

Dola, I can understand we need someone else. We need at least two options to draw them out and Pass is the only one who hasn't declared their innocence, but I'm not sure if that that is necessary.

I mean, if you were mafia, wouldn't you claim you were innocent too?

[Blade6119]

Just one, why Passacaglia? I can understand Real Deal since he hasn't showed, but why Pass?

The 3 no votes were Barkeep, realdeal, and passacaglia...barkeep got killed by mafia, and i stated multiple times i thought one wolf voted ardent and one didnt vote(third i dont know)...ill take 1/2 over 1/5 odds for a bad guy if im right any day, and pass and real deal are the survivors of that group

[Raiders Army]

Gotcha. I made a mistake thinking he voted for AE.

In any case, I think we'll make a good call by knocking off one of the bad guys or at the very least someone who doesn't contribute anything.

[Blade6119]

What does everyone think of that plan...lets make a move and go with it...if everyone comes along we could get this day over soon if we can come to an agreement on any suspect

[SnDvls]

SnDvlsA rules question: I know us deadies are allowed to vote for lynch. Are we still allowed to vote for end of day with it obviously only mattering if we're brought back?

yes do both...PM me lynch, but end day can be public

[Raiders Army]

Vote sent IAW Plan Blade.

[Raiders Army]

Dola, I'm out for the night as well. Biggest Loser is coming on and I need to get to bed.

[Blade6119]

im leaning to voting real, then pass, then deacon...is that clear to everyone?? I vote to end day as well and hope everyone else follows

[kingfc22]

I'm going to go with Blade on this one. I like the 50% odds rather than the 20% odds.

[Poli]

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[digamma]

RealDeal hasn't logged in since the game started. Do we really think a mafia person would avoid the game?

Normally, in a larger game, I don't mind getting rid of these types, but with our limited numbers, it seems every resource is valuable.

[Blade6119]

RealDeal hasn't logged in since the game started. Do we really think a mafia person would avoid the game?

Normally, in a larger game, I don't mind getting rid of these types, but with our limited numbers, it seems every resource is valuable.

If he hasnt been on since game started he wouldnt know if hes mafia or not...kinda killing your point, but you think pass or someone else is better?

[Poli]

VOTE End of day.


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[digamma]

If he hasnt been on since game started he wouldnt know if hes mafia or not...kinda killing your point, but you think pass or someone else is better?
No, he confirmed he received his role on Friday. He hasn't logged in since Sunday.

[Blade6119]

No, he confirmed he received his role on Friday. He hasn't logged in since Sunday.

I never saw that...thats a point...want me to switch off him?

[digamma]

I think you are locked in because you voted to end the day.

Question: Sndvls--is that correct?

[SnDvls]

I think you are locked in because you voted to end the day.

Question: Sndvls--is that correct?


correct, once you send me votes (PM'ed) then vote publicly to end day you can not change your lynch vote.

I guess I should say that there are some stratigies to this blind voting and public end day thing I tied in.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I wouldn't draw any conclusions from RealDeal's absence. Remember, in outlaws I wound up with my presence severely curtailed, and I was a baddie. We don't want to hang him as mafia for it (hanging him as non-participatory is another matter), and we don't want to give him a free pass for it.

I would assume that at least one baddie voted for ardent. With the blind voting, we lose out on picking up on swing votes and stuff like that, though...

[kingfc22]

I wouldn't draw any conclusions from RealDeal's absence. Remember, in outlaws I wound up with my presence severely curtailed, and I was a baddie. We don't want to hang him as mafia for it (hanging him as non-participatory is another matter), and we don't want to give him a free pass for it.

I would assume that at least one baddie voted for ardent. With the blind voting, we lose out on picking up on swing votes and stuff like that, though...
Not to keep harping on this, but in the mafia/mafia/villagers/psycho killer game I was a baddie and I missed two votes in a row due to work. But I kept getting free passes and we almost won.http://dynamic.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[kingfc22]

Since I'm going to sleep and won't be on until tomorrow after work:

Vote end of day.

[Raiders Army]

Vote End of Day

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even if Real Deal isn't a baddie, he isn't helping us at all. I think at the end of (I believe) the Spawn game, the baddies took out the active players and the players that were left didn't know what was going on. As a result, the bad guys won. I don't feel bad about lynching him since we're up to 5 pages already and he's behind the power curve. The other thing is that we don't know how long he may be out. It may be real life issues as well.

[Poli]

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[Barkeep49]

Vote to end day

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I figured I didn't have to make a point of claiming my innocence. I figured it was assumed.

Anyway, I'm thinking that, since it seems to be between RealDeal and me, and since I'm innocent, we should go after RealDeal!

VOTE END OF DAY

[digamma]

VOte end of day

[SnDvls]

From my calculations we have 5 end day votes for the 9 alive players so I'll tally lynch in a bit.

[Blade6119]

Vote End of Day

I don't see what all the fuss is about. Even if Real Deal isn't a baddie, he isn't helping us at all. I think at the end of (I believe) the Spawn game, the baddies took out the active players and the players that were left didn't know what was going on. As a result, the bad guys won. I don't feel bad about lynching him since we're up to 5 pages already and he's behind the power curve. The other thing is that we don't know how long he may be out. It may be real life issues as well.

Actually the good guys won, when schmidty and vince gave up becuase we basically had them both....the good guys were very active, and we won mostly becuase the spawn forgot to send in a few night kills so we got by free...

And i think we have enough end of days with mine and ardents on the page before and the couple above this post

[Blade6119]

From my calculations we have 5 end day votes for the 9 alive players so I'll tally lynch in a bit.

7 when you add ardent and i from last page...bottom like 5 posts

[Barkeep49]

Ardent doesn't count, at the moment, for end day, as he's DEAD.

[Blade6119]

SnDvlsA rules question: I know us deadies are allowed to vote for lynch. Are we still allowed to vote for end of day with it obviously only mattering if we're brought back?

yes do both...PM me lynch, but end day can be public

Sorry, misread that to mean their vote still counted even when dead...thnx barkeep

[Raiders Army]

Actually the good guys won, when schmidty and vince gave up becuase we basically had them both....the good guys were very active, and we won mostly becuase the spawn forgot to send in a few night kills so we got by free...

And i think we have enough end of days with mine and ardents on the page before and the couple above this post
Maybe it was a different one then. X-Com? I can't differentiate between them all.

[Blade6119]

Maybe it was a different one then. X-Com? I can't differentiate between them all.

X-com came down to the duke role turn to save fouts...i think that was the most active game by all members ive seen...everyone in that game was active...but i know what you mean, yes...i remember one...hope we hit gold on real deal

[RealDeal]

Sorry guys. Got swamped at work yesterday and wasn't around. I will be around from this point on.

[SnDvls]

You all gather around the town square again for the daily lynch. Everyone is still uneasy as they don't know who is mafia and who isn't. Everyone is there except Real Deal who comes stumbling in late. Five of you quickly grab him and beat him into submission. You string him up to the tree next to ardent and wait for his lifeless body to go limp before heading back to your normal day. RealDeal has been lynched. You all go to bed a little uneasy tonight. It could be a long night for some of the villagers.

RealDeal (5) - kingfc, Blade, Raiders Army, Pass, digamma
Pass (1) - Mr. Wednesday
No Vote - RealDeal, pennywisesb, ntndeacon

Night 2 has begun please send in your night actions.

(post #37 has been updated)

[pennywisesb]

The 3 no votes were Barkeep, realdeal, and passacaglia...barkeep got killed by mafia, and i stated multiple times i thought one wolf voted ardent and one didnt vote(third i dont know)...ill take 1/2 over 1/5 odds for a bad guy if im right any day, and pass and real deal are the survivors of that group


So far Blade seems on the level, and I like his train of thought here, so I'm leaning towards the 1/2 odds. Also, I'll Vote End Day

[pennywisesb]

Dola, just missed it. Damnit. Sorry guys.

[Blade6119]

interesting since we dont know whos who, but i think ntdeacon not voting is interesting after what i said with king/barkeep yesterday...question is do we go after pass or assume we hit it on real deal and go to one of the ardent voters?

[Blade6119]

dola, so far im starting to trust king, raiders, and digamma...but dont take that to mean anything, they have just seemed the most villager like...everyone could be bad...

[Passacaglia]

Sounds like there's suspicion on me. I'm not a baddie, so I think we've got to go after one of the ardent voters.

[Blade6119]

Sounds like there's suspicion on me. I'm not a baddie, so I think we've got to go after one of the ardent voters.

Im just saying since we dont know what realdeal was we cant rule you out...not saying its you, just letting everyone get all the facts(yes raiders, i was an ardent voter)

[Passacaglia]

Im just saying since we dont know what realdeal was we cant rule you out...not saying its you, just letting everyone get all the facts(yes raiders, i was an ardent voter)

That's understood. I just figured I'd throw my two cents in there, obvious as it may seem. My hope is that I don't get singled out just because I'm the only one left in the first day no-votes, while that large group of people who voted for ardent remains untouched, just because it's too big to deal with.

[Poli]

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[Mr. Wednesday]

Maybe it was a different one then. X-Com? I can't differentiate between them all.Outlaws. The game was terminated due to nonparticipation of the bad guys, at a point where they were in a very strong position to win the game.

[Raiders Army]

Okay, we just wait out the night now. I think we did the right thing going for Real Deal. There isn't anyone I really trust at this point, other than maybe Blade.

The rest of the people who piled onto the Real Deal (including myself):

1. If Real Deal were good, then they would gain a lot by piling on.
2. If Real Deal were bad, they would be stupid to pile on.

The problem with this iteration of the game is that we're in the dark while the mafia know who is getting lynched and what the score is. We don't even know if we're down to one mafia left or they're all alive. It's pretty frustrating and set up to really aid the mafia in this game.

[RealDeal]

Um, now I'm dead. Btw, I was a villager. Hopefully next time, work won't get in the way for me.

[Blade6119]

Um, now I'm dead. Btw, I was a villager. Hopefully next time, work won't get in the way for me.

You should keep playing(as per the rule), as you can come back...and while i think your claiming to be a villager could be true(despite breaking the rules about role reveals post death), it could be a cover for mafia too...i dont think you can read too much into it

Any idea sun when you can get the wolves and secret roles to send in their info for night so we can keep going?

[Blade6119]

Okay, we just wait out the night now. I think we did the right thing going for Real Deal. There isn't anyone I really trust at this point, other than maybe Blade.

The rest of the people who piled onto the Real Deal (including myself):

1. If Real Deal were good, then they would gain a lot by piling on.
2. If Real Deal were bad, they would be stupid to pile on.

The problem with this iteration of the game is that we're in the dark while the mafia know who is getting lynched and what the score is. We don't even know if we're down to one mafia left or they're all alive. It's pretty frustrating and set up to really aid the mafia in this game.

DOLA

im thinking we havent hit any yet, or the mafia just arent voting...if we had, we would have a had a little resisting on either real or ardent(actually, come to think of it digamma did resist for a little while before voting on realdeal at the end....could this be him trying to save a fellow mafia guy then seeing it was a lost cause adding a vote on to make himself look good later on??)

[Raiders Army]

Please don't edit your posts. That makes you look a little suspicious in my mind. What I was trying to say what that it's virtually impossible to look at voting patterns to discern who is mafia and who is not just by virtue of the fact that we don't know which side the dead are on. That's what makes this frustrating. We could be winning right now, but chances are we haven't gotten anyone yet.

The other thing is that even if I didn't agree with your logic, what use is there to change directions in strategy at this point? We don't know if it was working or not. In that case, I'm more inclined to go with Pass on the next go-around to stick with a strategy since all strategies seem "blind" at this point. This game really seems like it's set up to let the mafia win. Not to bitch or anything, but if we win it will be by dumb luck not by any skill.

[Poli]

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[Blade6119]

Please don't edit your posts. That makes you look a little suspicious in my mind. What I was trying to say what that it's virtually impossible to look at voting patterns to discern who is mafia and who is not just by virtue of the fact that we don't know which side the dead are on. That's what makes this frustrating. We could be winning right now, but chances are we haven't gotten anyone yet.

The other thing is that even if I didn't agree with your logic, what use is there to change directions in strategy at this point? We don't know if it was working or not. In that case, I'm more inclined to go with Pass on the next go-around to stick with a strategy since all strategies seem "blind" at this point. This game really seems like it's set up to let the mafia win. Not to bitch or anything, but if we win it will be by dumb luck not by any skill.

I edited to add the dola so people would see the post above it as well, no worries...i think the key to victory is our secret roles...we have stuff to counteract them im sure, i just havent even seen a hint to them actually doing anything...but im sure we have a doctor/cop, reporter/investigator, maybe a witness and maybe a vigilante...those roles will make or break our team

As for pass, im game...killing him should ensure we get at least one mafia, maybe more

[Passacaglia]

I edited to add the dola so people would see the post above it as well, no worries...i think the key to victory is our secret roles...we have stuff to counteract them im sure, i just havent even seen a hint to them actually doing anything...but im sure we have a doctor/cop, reporter/investigator, maybe a witness and maybe a vigilante...those roles will make or break our team

As for pass, im game...killing him should ensure we get at least one mafia, maybe more

This relies on the assumption that one of the non-voters was mafia. So it doesn't "ensure" we get one mafia.

[digamma]

This relies on the assumption that one of the non-voters was mafia. So it doesn't "ensure" we get one mafia.
Good point. I think we need to wait on the night actions to see what shakes out.

Raiders is right. We could be winning right now, or we could be way behind.

[Blade6119]

This relies on the assumption that one of the non-voters was mafia. So it doesn't "ensure" we get one mafia.

note the should right before ensure...its reliant upon the face that there was a wolf in the group...hell, it could have been realdeal...but raiders makes a point about sticking to your guns in a game like this(unless raiders is bad and doesnt want attention on the ardent group, but i trust him pretty fairly right now...i think well find out a lot tonight, so wait for the night to be posted before worrying too much)

[Blade6119]

Good point. I think we need to wait on the night actions to see what shakes out.

Raiders is right. We could be winning right now, or we could be way behind.

hey dig, will you give me your view of things as they stand right now??..ideally a situation report and a breakdown of players in the game...im very interested in your views as they stand right now

[digamma]

At this point, who knows?

There are nine of us left (right now). We have no clear role reveals. We have varying degrees of activity. We still don't have very much to go on.

I'm not trying to be coy. All we have right now are our own gut instincts. The only people who know what the "score" is are the bad guys--they know if they've lost one of their own.

I'm hoping we'll have some clarity after another night round, though we'll likely be down to eight people. If we haven't gotten a bad guy yet, then we'll be on the verge of elimination.

I'd rather wait to post specific thoughts on individuals until we know what happens during the night.

[Raiders Army]

I agree with digamma. Hopefully the seer can point us in a direction. The problem with the seer identifying a good guy is that it's no use to us. He can't say someone is on the level since it would out him as the seer. So hopefully one of those other hidden roles is going to do something for us tonight if the seer doesn't.

[SnDvls]

waiting on some night actions then the fun begins. :)

[Blade6119]

waiting on some night actions then the fun begins. :)

Question is do we use that info to see who hasnt been around and try to connect the dots or assume thats against the rules?

[SnDvls]

Question is do we use that info to see who hasnt been around and try to connect the dots or assume thats against the rules?


you can assume all you want, but you know what happens when you do that. :) You make an ass out of u & me

[SnDvls]

FYI

night actions due 6 PM Pacific

[Raiders Army]

Sweet. Well, I'm pretty much out for the night since Lost is coming on at 9 EST (6 Pacific). I hope we all sleep well and someone gets lucky tonight (either the bodyguard protecting or seer seeing).

Heh. Just had the tune to the Twelve Days of Christmas going through my head.

[SnDvls]

I have made an executive decision to replace an inactive player. Due to my error ardent had no chance of coming back from a lynch on day 1 as there was no night 0. So he has taken over for ntndeacon. I have sent those affected by this decision a PM so that they may change their night actions if they so choose. Once I get a yes or no PM then we'll continue as I have all the night actions up to this point.
Thanks.

[kingfc22]

Didn't SnDvls say that some roles would be revealed? I think it would be nice at some point to know if we are going in the right direction or not.