Crazy wierd thing with rookie contracts...anyone ever seen this? [Archive] - Page 2

Anthony

10-13-2005, 11:17 AM

who knows, HA did pose as coolroy in an attempt to get back in the league (coolroy did fill in for another owner or two)

and your commish, as well as your league presidents, were well aware of me.

and i was never outed, rather, i came out and revealed who i was when i decided that i didn't want to go back to IHOF afterall. as coolroy i was responsible for designing your IHOF monthly magazine covers and for creating some widely acclaimed images, i contributed more in my short time as coolroy than many in that league. stop making this into into me being evil or deceitful - i told my plan to the commish that once i was in line to get a team i would have revealed myself. i wanted people to treat me differently than they do someone named Hell Atlantic. that was all.

and i was going for that WWF routine that the Sports Guy always goes for, when JR goes "wait...that's Hell Atlantic's music.....oh my God! nooooooo!!!", lol. woulda made for some great entertainment. :)

WSUCougar

10-13-2005, 11:17 AM

I just want to say...I'm responsible.

I'm responsible for everything: plague, locusts, herpes, and cheating in FOF.

Sorry.
Did you steal my bologna sandwich back in 5th grade?!?

Qwikshot

10-13-2005, 11:18 AM

Did you steal my bologna sandwich back in 5th grade?!?

For that too, I'm sorry.

I'm also sorry for Caddyshack 2.

I take full responsibility for that one.

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 11:19 AM

and i was going for that WWF routine that the Sports Guy always goes for, when JR goes "wait...that's Hell Atlantic's music.....oh my God! nooooooo!!!", lol. woulda made for some great entertainment. :)

"BAWH GAWD!!! WHAT IS HE DOING HERE?! THERE IS GOING TO BE CARNAGE TONIGHT!!! HE DOES NOT LOOK HAPPY!!!"

Samdari

10-13-2005, 11:19 AM

I am tempted to hit "Report" not because I think bannings should be rampant, I just want to move the drama along a little bit.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 11:20 AM

Did you steal my bologna sandwich back in 5th grade?!?
No, I did. You want it back?

Chubby

10-13-2005, 11:20 AM

and your commish, as well as your league presidents, were well aware of me.

and i was never outed, rather, i came out and revealed who i was when i decided that i didn't want to go back to IHOF afterall. as coolroy i was responsible for designing your IHOF monthly magazine covers and for creating some widely acclaimed images, i contributed more in my short time as coolroy than many in that league. stop making this into into me being evil or deceitful - i told my plan to the commish that once i was in line to get a team i would have revealed myself. i wanted people to treat me differently than they do someone named Hell Atlantic. that was all.

and i was going for that WWF routine that the Sports Guy always goes for, when JR goes "wait...that's Hell Atlantic's music.....oh my God! nooooooo!!!", lol. woulda made for some great entertainment. :)
so you leave IHOF because you "can't be yourself" and then return as another person with a different persona? makes sense to me :rolleyes:

Qwikshot

10-13-2005, 11:20 AM

So you were the one that gave me herpes...

Bastard.

Sorry, and I'm sorry about that bout with crabs too.

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 11:22 AM

Sorry, and I'm sorry about that bout with crabs too.

I feel worse for the hookers and midgets that were there that night.

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 11:23 AM

So hey...anyone wanna join FastFL? :)

cthomer5000

10-13-2005, 11:23 AM

regarding my leaving - IHOF is a very nice league, elite, even, but they take it personally when you leave, almost as if you're foolish for wanting to leave *them*. i enjoyed many over there, but it became impossible for me to be myself and to enjoy myself due to my getting too passionate about my team and for getting a little too involved in bashing other people's team. kinda made me not liked by almost half the league. wasn't fun after a while. i left because it wasn't fun for me. that's all. i haven't been in the league since Feb or March of '05, and i hate having to constantly talk about it, by people who are happy i'm no longer in the league or whomever. i'm past IHOF, i wish them the best. i left of my own accord, John. i tried to leave even before that, behind the scenes without much fanfare, but the commish and even a league talked me out of it because they valued my contributions. as much as i chide cthomer from time to time, i like him, and i respected him asking me to come back when i left the first time. when i decided to leave the 2nd time i didn't look back.

i don't think you'll find anyone who'll say that i cheated or bended rules at IHOF. my thing over at IHOF, as many will say, was roleplaying, i treated the players as if they were players and not formula's (which they essentially are). in fact, many will say i was a big supporter of "gentleman's rules", where things regarding fair play and no cheating shouldn't have to be spelled out - they should already be assumed.

the fact that i was so vocal about fair play and wasn't ever called out at IHOF for any rule bending makes me even more furious. of course, since i don't have many friends over at IHOF i don't think they'll rush to my defense, they might get a kick out seeing me angered. but, it is what it is.

I agree with all of this basically. I don't ever recall any accusations of H.A. cheating, I thought he was a valuable member of the league (both for his photoshop/writing work and his "bad guy" element), and did help talk him back into the league when he first considered leaving. I could call him a lot of things, but cheater is not one of them.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 11:26 AM

Cool!! We don't have to entertain ourselves with drama anymore.

NFL In Pictures Week 5 by Flere is out!!!

WooHooo!!!

http://dynamic.gamespy.com/~fof/forums/showthread.php?t=43557

C'mon everyone. Let's go!!

GoldenEagle

10-13-2005, 11:27 AM

I agree that HA’s response was/is a bit over the top. However, a banning or suspension here would not be just. I am fully aware of the history of HA. I think he was provoked and no one, not even Blackadar, has come up with any justification for the provoke. I also remember a recent thread where Blackadar said some pretty offensive comments about someone’s wife but was not punished for it.

WSUCougar

10-13-2005, 11:28 AM

I could call him a lot of things, but cheater is not one of them.
I concur. Although I tired of him shooting his mouth off all the time (and that holds here at FOFC as well), and in the end felt the IHOF was a more enjoyable place with him gone, I personally never had a direct problem with him. He was a diehard with his team, and I think cheating was never even a consideration.

WrongWay

10-13-2005, 11:29 AM

But, are you responsible for Slap Shot 2?

WSUCougar

10-13-2005, 11:32 AM

I'm also sorry for Caddyshack 2.

I take full responsibility for that one.
Did you convince John Travolta that Battlefield Earth was a good idea?

Anthony

10-13-2005, 11:32 AM

so you leave IHOF because you "can't be yourself" and then return as another person with a different persona? makes sense to me :rolleyes:

i explained to your commish and league president at the time (albion) that i wanted people to not attack everything i wrote, for them to see i wasn't all about negativity. i decided IHOF needed a break from HA, that not everyone wants to hear how and why their team sucks, and decided that people getting used to me, albeit in another guise, would go far in showing them that i can "play nice with others". at the appropriate time i would have revealed myself, at which time i felt many who considered me a bad element to the league would say "hey, i dealt with him as coolroy, and he was a normal person who i had good relations with, i guess he isn't as bad an influence to the league as i originally pinned him". that was the plan, at least. but there was no cover up, everyone in a position of authority knew who i was, and probably a few others who had their suspicions. no malicious intention to deceive people.

wade moore

10-13-2005, 11:33 AM

I concur. Although I tired of him shooting his mouth off all the time (and that holds here at FOFC as well), and in the end felt the IHOF was a more enjoyable place with him gone, I personally never had a direct problem with him. He was a diehard with his team, and I think cheating was never even a consideration.
But you don't like that you haven't been able to beat AST/WIL in the regular season since he left ;)...

Well, there was that pesky playoff game though... :mad:

Anthony

10-13-2005, 11:35 AM

I agree with all of this basically. I don't ever recall any accusations of H.A. cheating, I thought he was a valuable member of the league (both for his photoshop/writing work and his "bad guy" element), and did help talk him back into the league when he first considered leaving. I could call him a lot of things, but cheater is not one of them.

thank you corey. i will take down my sig. sorry to the person who PM'd me that he found it offensive.

i accept my boxing (if it comes), i'm a big boy. i have my reputation as a trustworthy MP owner to uphold, that's why i was angered.

Alf

10-13-2005, 11:36 AM

YOU FUCKING MOTHERFUCKER. YOUR WIFE IS A DIRTY WHORE.
....
i will say a prayer tonite to God to bring disease and bad fortune on you and your family. may you all die slow deaths. OK : great way to get discredit on the church and his believers. Brilliant !

That reaction is primarily why I don't want to get into something organized around religion. I can be good and not be endorsed by a religion while morons with great principples can say things like that.... So fucking stupid.

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 11:37 AM

I didn't get the impression that it was a rookie-contract you posted there. Obviously the guy has cheated beyond belief, my point was that that single contract wasn't obviously ridiculous (to me). There is a ton of bonus money there.

What I pointed out earlier is that I didn't think it was an unfair contract, just a stupid one. I also pointed out earlier that he shelled out over 120 million dollars in bonus money to 9 players alone. Cheating? No. Stupid? In my opionion, yes.

WrongWay

10-13-2005, 11:37 AM

Did you convince John Travolta that Battlefield Earth was a good idea?
I am pretty sure that was his God, L. Ron Hubbard.

Blackadar

10-13-2005, 11:38 AM

thank you corey. i will take down my sig. sorry to the person who PM'd me that he found it offensive.

i accept my boxing (if it comes), i'm a big boy. i have my reputation as a trustworthy MP owner to uphold, that's why i was angered.

Too bad, I was in NYC just last week.

Aw, shucks.

Yes, you have a reputation to uphold. You've managed to reinforce it quite well here. :D

Qwikshot

10-13-2005, 11:38 AM

But, are you responsible for Slap Shot 2?

Yes, and for Freddie Got Fingered, it seemed like such a good idea, oh, and for both Charlie's Angels movies.

Qwikshot

10-13-2005, 11:40 AM

Did you convince John Travolta that Battlefield Earth was a good idea?

For that, Stay Cool, and Look Who's Talking Too...

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 11:40 AM

I just want to say...I'm responsible.

I'm responsible for everything: plague, locusts, herpes, and cheating in FOF.

Sorry.
You couldn't have been responsible for Mary-Kate and Ashley, could you? Not even you would do that to us, would you?

Qwikshot

10-13-2005, 11:42 AM

You couldn't have been responsible for Mary-Kate and Ashley, could you? Not even you would do that to us, would you?

Sadly I apologize for making this joke (if it ever was funny) way too long, I apologize and will now leave the discussion.

Sorry for not adding anything meaningful, socially important, or substantial in anyway.

I will move on now and be silent, sorry again.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 11:45 AM

Just call me joke-killer. :(

John Galt

10-13-2005, 11:45 AM

Too bad, I was in NYC just last week.

Aw, shucks.

Yes, you have a reputation to uphold. You've managed to reinforce it quite well here. :D

So, basically, you imply HA is a cheater, never offer any support for your implicit accusation, and then laugh at the over-reaction to your provocation. Total dick move.

Anthony

10-13-2005, 11:46 AM

No real cheating as far as I'm aware. There were accusations of Blackie tanking to get the top pick. However, they were accusations.

HA left because he had become such a jerk that everyone ganged up on him whenever he posted. He got tired of being the punching bag, picked up his photoshop and went home.

That's about the nuts and bolts of it, at least as I see it.

that's a fair assessment of what happened.

(inside IHOF joke) you put the "ass" in assessment.

Chubby

10-13-2005, 11:46 AM

So, basically, you imply HA is a cheater, never offer any support for your implicit accusation, and then laugh at the over-reaction to your provocation. Total dick move.
this shoudln't surprise you.

John Galt

10-13-2005, 11:49 AM

this shoudln't surprise you.

I guess not - but it sure seems like the very definition of a troll: posting just to piss people off and then laughing at them.

cuervo72

10-13-2005, 11:50 AM

I could *really* go for a bologna sandwich right now.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 11:51 AM

Well if you can hold off, I can send you one in the mail.

Klinglerware

10-13-2005, 11:54 AM

You couldn't have been responsible for Mary-Kate and Ashley, could you? Not even you would do that to us, would you?

In a complete threadjack, Ashley Olsen is in my brother's French class. Much more impressive than when I was in college--my only brush with a celebrity classmate was when I had a class with Tracee Ross, of "Girlfriends" fame. I don't know why I even bring it up, other than to jack up my post count, since it is utterly irrelevant to everyone and everything.

Oh yeah, I don't even own FOF, so maybe I should leave this thread now...

KWhit

10-13-2005, 11:55 AM

i don't think you'll find anyone who'll say that i cheated or bended rules at IHOF. my thing over at IHOF, as many will say, was roleplaying, i treated the players as if they were players and not formula's (which they essentially are). in fact, many will say i was a big supporter of "gentleman's rules", where things regarding fair play and no cheating shouldn't have to be spelled out - they should already be assumed.
I would agree with this. I think I remember a thread or two where HA blasted Chubby for his backloading exploit, and am pretty sure that HA never did anything shady with his team. The whole Coolroy thing was pretty bush-league and he can be a total prick at times, but I wouldn't agree with Blackie's accusation of cheating.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 11:58 AM

I would agree with this. I think I remember a thread or two where HA blasted Chubby for his backloading exploit, and am pretty sure that HA never did anything shady with his team. The whole Coolroy thing was pretty bush-league and he can be a total prick at times, but I wouldn't agree with Blackie's accusation of cheating.
At this point, can we even believe Blackie's accusation of HA baiting him?

cuervo72

10-13-2005, 11:59 AM

Well if you can hold off, I can send you one in the mail.

I tried the "Lunch by Mail" plan with wig, it didn't work.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 12:00 PM

I could probably drive over to you faster since I live somewhat close by. Do you have any Bak Choi?

Passacaglia

10-13-2005, 12:06 PM

Hoya1

10-13-2005, 12:09 PM

wade moore

10-13-2005, 12:10 PM

Raiders Army

10-13-2005, 12:11 PM

This thread is now about complete. Somebody needs to ask for the obligatory "Pix pls k thx" and mention trout and we're done here.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 12:11 PM

Seems odd to me since I've always found that owners are willing to tell you this if you just ask.
I think he is in a league with AI controlled teams.

WSUCougar

10-13-2005, 12:12 PM

I could *really* go for a bologna sandwich right now.
Buzzbee's apparently got mine, but it's from 1975.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 12:14 PM

Buzzbee's apparently got mine, but it's from 1975.
Yeah, it is a little green and crusty, but the ooze has dried up and become quite crunchy. Kinda like a side of chips.

WSUCougar

10-13-2005, 12:16 PM

Yeah, it is a little green and crusty, but the ooze has dried up and become quite crunchy. Kinda like a side of chips.
I was referring to the sandwich, not boogers.

VPI97

10-13-2005, 12:16 PM

Before everyone gets put in the box, can someone tell us in the peanut gallery what exactly happened at IHOF regarding cheating and/or HA leaving? Simply pointing to some threads on the issue would be great. Thanks.Nothing. No one has ever been removed from IHOF for cheating. Case closed.

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 12:17 PM

VPI97

10-13-2005, 12:20 PM

dola -

and your commish, as well as your league presidents, were well aware of me.Yep. It was my call, and my call alone that let you stay over there as coolroy.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 12:25 PM

Ummm...VPI, shouldn't you be over at IHOF processing the mid-week files?

Chubby

10-13-2005, 12:31 PM

Anthony

10-13-2005, 12:37 PM

i just want to say, as i eat my lunch, that i feel very foolish for allowing myself to fall for the bait and got myself worked up in a tizzy. i don't apologize for anything i wrote, because what i wrote is a good snapshot as to how i felt in that point in time, i don't want to undermine the feelings of Hell Atlantic from 2 hours ago. but, yeah, i'm trying to show a different side to my personality and not be a cartoon or cariacature of the Hell Atlantic everyone thinks i am, and responding like that doesn't help things. i'm normally good at knowing when i'm being provoked.

what i wanted to do was nip things in the bud. if you let (blatantly false and malicious) accusations like that go uncontested, pretty soon myth becomes fact. then months from now when i find my trustworthiness being questioned, someone would eventually say "well, there *were* some things called into question about his days in IHOF...". i wanted to eradicate some silly doubts cast by some unscrupulous members here before they got seeped into people's minds. but i'm disappointed in allowing myself to get worked up - these are merely words, after all, and it's over an online MP league.

so, again, i don't apologize for what i said, but i feel bad if anyone got offended and i feel foolish for allowing myself to get worked up. carry on.

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 12:45 PM

We still love you, HA. :)

Raiders Army

10-13-2005, 12:53 PM

Someone's stealing your thunder, HA. heh heh.

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 12:54 PM

We still love you, HA. :)

Speak for yourself.

Blackadar

10-13-2005, 12:55 PM

The funny thing is that I never accused you of cheating. I said you did your best to bend the rules. I never said you broke them. Go back and re-read my exact quote. It's phrased very carefully for a reason.

Have a nice day.

Samdari

10-13-2005, 01:01 PM

The funny thing is that I never accused you of cheating. I said you did your best to bend the rules.

But you never give any inkling of even what that was.

I have never had any problems of even bad impressions of you, while I have had plenty of HA, but I've got to say - you are coming off like more of a prick than HA here.

Pause to let that sink in.

I'm in IHOF, and I was never aware of any implication of him treading near the boundary of fair play. Good taste and decorum, perhaps, but not fair play.

I think you are obligated to provide something to back up your accusations here (or not, I suppose, and tacitly admit you were merely trolling).

yabanci

10-13-2005, 01:02 PM

So what do you guys think of opening the game as another team, just to find out what a player's contract demands are, if you're interested in trading for him? Do most of you guys find that to be cheating?

Aboslutely, yes. Logging on as the commish or another team for any reason whatsoever should be prohibited in my view.

Doing what you suggest is definitely cheating. You gain an advantage by seeing what the player looks like up close (on the team) and through the eyes of another team's scout.

Raiders Army

10-13-2005, 01:03 PM

Come on.
Feel the noize...Girls rock the boyz

Chubby

10-13-2005, 01:03 PM

But you never give any inkling of even what that was.

I have never had any problems of even bad impressions of you, while I have had plenty of HA, but I've got to say - you are coming off like more of a prick than HA here.

Pause to let that sink in.

I'm in IHOF, and I was never aware of any implication of him treading near the boundary of fair play. Good taste and decorum, perhaps, but not fair play.

I think you are obligated to provide something to back up your accusations here (or not, I suppose, and tacitly admit you were merely trolling).
he'll never admit that. he'll simply go with his "i never ACTUALLY said that and you can't prove that was the implication so I'm right" defense.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 01:03 PM

Aboslutely, yes. Logging on as the commish or another team for any reason whatsoever should be prohibited in my view.

Doing what you suggest is definitely cheating. You gain an advantage by seeing what the player looks like up close (on the team) and through the eyes of another team's scout.
Exactly, that is why as a Participant, you press the "PARTICIPANT" button, and as a Commissioner, you press the "COMMISSIONER" button. Its like an elevator, 2 options, up or down. If you want to go up, press up, not down.

John Galt

10-13-2005, 01:04 PM

he'll never admit that. he'll simply go with his "i never ACTUALLY said that and you can't prove that was the implication so I'm right" defense.

I expect a similar defense in the "homophobic troll" thread. It does seem to be Blackie's M.O.

QuikSand

10-13-2005, 01:05 PM

Its like an elevator, 2 options, up or down. If you want to go up, press up, not down.

Can you go over that again? There seems to be a lot of gray area there.

Samdari

10-13-2005, 01:06 PM

he'll never admit that. he'll simply go with his "i never ACTUALLY said that and you can't prove that was the implication so I'm right" defense.

Well, I bet I am not alone in thinking that a lack of response is an admission that the accusation was baseless, and it was a troll post.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 01:07 PM

Can you go over that again? There seems to be a lot of gray area there.
:D
Apparently that needs to be added into the instructions, so that people don't go all "willy nilly" on which option to pick when in an MP league.

Bee

10-13-2005, 01:07 PM

Can you go over that again? There seems to be a lot of gray area there.

Not to mention the alarm button and all those others with the numbers on them....

Raiders Army

10-13-2005, 01:07 PM

Can you go over that again? There seems to be a lot of gray area there.
Agreed. There is an Emergency Stop button in most elevators as well.

Bee

10-13-2005, 01:10 PM

Agreed. There is an Emergency Stop button in most elevators as well.

There's also the buttons for opening and closing the door...you know, it's amazing that the average person can operate an elevator considering how stupid most people are...

gottimd

10-13-2005, 01:13 PM

There's also the buttons for opening and closing the door...you know, it's amazing that the average person can operate an elevator considering how stupid most people are...
I just run full speed at the metallic doors. I end up knocking myself out, and I awaken hours later already late for where I was going so I go back home. Damn elevators, I never get them to work.

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 01:38 PM

Uh oh. Uncle Ryan is home. Looks like we're getting sent to our rooms. Just wait'll Daddy gets home. We're gonna be in truuuuble!!!

gottimd

10-13-2005, 01:42 PM

Uh oh. Uncle Ryan is home. Looks like we're getting sent to our rooms. Just wait'll Daddy gets home. We're gonna be in truuuuble!!!
Why? This thread isn't as bad as some of the other ones on here.

Bee

10-13-2005, 01:43 PM

Hopefully the elevator discussion has saved the thread...

Blackadar

10-13-2005, 01:44 PM

Why? This thread isn't as bad as some of the other ones on here.

Therin lies the problem.

Chubby

10-13-2005, 01:45 PM

Therin lies the problem.
no, the problem is you posting.

Blackadar

10-13-2005, 01:47 PM

no, the problem is you posting.

Put me on ignore. Problem solved!

gottimd

10-13-2005, 01:47 PM

Hopefully the elevator discussion has saved the thread...
Oh we are not done with that.

Chubby

10-13-2005, 01:48 PM

Put me on ignore. Problem solved!
i have a feeling i won't have to for a while...

gottimd

10-13-2005, 01:48 PM

Therin lies the problem.
I don't understand your post? This thread was discussing a potential problem and yes got a little heated, but all I was saying was that this thread isn't as bad as the others.

Blackadar

10-13-2005, 01:52 PM

i have a feeling i won't have to for a while...

Find a violation of the Code of Conduct and I'm more than happy to go in the box. ;)

However, given that Skydog has already given the order to go back to our respective corners, you'd probably be better served by not trying to bait me.

Chubby

10-13-2005, 01:59 PM

Find a violation of the Code of Conduct and I'm more than happy to go in the box. ;)

However, given that Skydog has already given the order to go back to our respective corners, you'd probably be better served by not trying to bait me.
are you just going to repeat the same thing in each thread?

you are the one that caused this whole situation by being a bigot and a troll. you should be boxed immediately as far as I'm concerned to stop this whole nonsense.

I see your whole mission now is to simply try and divert attention from yourself.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 02:03 PM

....I'm more than happy to go in the box. ;)
http://www.infonglobal.com/images/man-in-box.jpg

Anthony

10-13-2005, 02:04 PM

here's a pic of a guy i saw on the train a couple months ago. he looks like he's waiting to die so he could be done with his horrible life.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/egghead.jpg

Blackadar

10-13-2005, 02:05 PM

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:JUfMqMQbq94J:www.infonglobal.com/images/man-in-box.jpg

But I don't wear a tie... :D

Buzzbee

10-13-2005, 02:33 PM

Back to the original issue, VPI wrote some code to identify and deal with this cheat. I think it is classic!!!

If IsTrue(rookie signing) then
If (transaction_text = "signed his rookie contract") then
Result = cool_beans
elseIf (transaction_text = "signed a renegotiated contract")
Owner_status = "BANNED"
else
Unexpected_result = WTF
EndIf
EndIf

gottimd

10-13-2005, 02:35 PM

Everyone is in the box from this thread, or at least the majority of the recent posters.

WSUCougar

10-13-2005, 02:37 PM

I feel like I'm walking in the New Orleans of threads, post-flood. I drove right in! But I'm not looting!

gottimd

10-13-2005, 02:39 PM

Bottom line is that the "Trust Tree" has definitely been shaken up.

Nwobhm

10-13-2005, 02:57 PM

Looks like the cheater is getting some sympathy over in the DFL:

http://www.dfl.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 02:59 PM

Thats why I quit, heh...

Eaglesfan27

10-13-2005, 03:00 PM

Looks like the cheater is getting some sympathy over in the DFL:

http://www.dfl.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444

Unbelievable.

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 03:04 PM

http://primetime-football-league.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=854

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 03:06 PM

Yeah, owner of PFL talked to me and wanted to know what I was going to do, wanted to make sure everyone was on ths ame page, heh.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 03:08 PM

http://primetime-football-league.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=854Here is a blackball, enjoy!
http://www.active-beauty.com/ProductImages/black_ball.gif

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 03:10 PM

Here is a blackball, enjoy!

Does this have something to do with my crouch? I don't get it.

gottimd

10-13-2005, 03:12 PM

Does this have something to do with my crouch? I don't get it.
Stick to arranging your cast iron skillets.

Ksyrup

10-13-2005, 03:24 PM

Looks like the cheater is getting some sympathy over in the DFL:

http://www.dfl.cc/forum/viewtopic.php?t=444
Since we've just past the 10th anniversary of the OJ Simpson verdict, reading that thread immediately brought to mind the intelligent juror (Brenda Moron) who commented about the evidence of domestic abuse presented at the trial: "Domestic abuse, to me that was a waste of time. This was a murder trial, not domestic abuse. If you want to get tried for domestic abuse, go in another court room and get tried for that."

http://ironpoet.com/boards/images/smiles/icon_eek.gif (javascript:emoticon(':o'))

QuikSand

10-13-2005, 03:26 PM

Looks like the cheater is getting some sympathy over in the DFL

I get confused - is this a league that's playing for some actual money?

I can't imagine letting this guy stay in a league like that.

Ksyrup

10-13-2005, 03:28 PM

Yes, I believe that's what they said in the thread - it's a money league. That's what makes it so unbelievable. "He hasn't tried to screw us yet, so I'm fine with him staying in."

PackerFanatic

10-13-2005, 03:30 PM

Yup, I was in the league for most of their first season. $5 to play, money goes to playoff teams.

Ksyrup

10-13-2005, 03:32 PM

Oh, $5. Would you guys accept Neuheisal?

jshipman2

10-13-2005, 05:35 PM

He has been banned in the PFL.

cthomer5000

10-13-2005, 05:39 PM

mmmmmm FOF money league.

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 05:44 PM

mmmmmm FOF money league.

I got your FOF money league right here!

eh.. nm

Joe

10-13-2005, 07:16 PM

He has been banned in the PFL.

yay!

albionmoonlight

10-13-2005, 08:46 PM

mmmmmm FOF money league.
Will this be the way that you make up for losing rakeback at Party?

You do know that you won't be able to take Conti with you?

Joe

10-13-2005, 08:53 PM

if anyone finds out this gmac's IP, I'd appreciate a PM with the number.

Dutch

10-13-2005, 09:04 PM

if anyone finds out this gmac's IP, I'd appreciate a PM with the number.

If he's smart, he'll just use a different name....like gmac1 or something and get in another league anyway.

Looks like league security measures will be in order...

sovereignstar

10-13-2005, 09:08 PM

If he's smart

.

Joe

10-13-2005, 09:18 PM

If he's smart, he'll just use a different name....like gmac1 or something and get in another league anyway.

Looks like league security measures will be in order...

he'll need a new IP address, because I, like many others are going to put his IP in the ban list. it's hard to join a league when you're not able to access the site. But there are ways around that, tho hes not smart enough to figure them out.

WrongWay

10-13-2005, 09:49 PM

Joe

10-13-2005, 09:54 PM

I read those threads and do not understand all the talk about redoing the entire Free Agency stages.

I thought it was determined that the only thing you could do with this particular cheat was to get a rookie to sign another contract. I saw the Leonard Davis post, but I didn't think that had anything to do with this cheat.

Why would they be talking about wanting to resim their entire Free agency stages?

because by using the rookie signing cheat, he was able to free up money he shouldn't have had, and signed players in FA that (potentially) would have gone to other teams, had he not cheated.

stevew

10-13-2005, 10:12 PM

Also he appeared to find the "breaking point" on FA contracts where a guy would take the deal, but not one dollar less.

yabanci

10-13-2005, 11:03 PM

Also he appeared to find the "breaking point" on FA contracts where a guy would take the deal, but not one dollar less.

This is what I think he was referring to when he mentioned that the cheat is widely used in multiplayer leagues.

Clown2

10-13-2005, 11:16 PM

Hello Football Gods!
I'm enjoying Gmac-gate, it really is interesting.
8pages and going strong over here!
This is my 1st post over here in the Promise Land of Football and No Im not Gmac. I am Gm of the Kansas City Chiefs in Primetime Football. My brother is Clown 1 of the GB packers and I'm Clown2.
If you want to play in a good League come on over to PrimeTime. I hear the Steelers are not available,
but there are other teams that are. Its a little unusual that Gmac-gate puts us on the map,
but the advertising is good.
Were having the draft on Sat morning if you want to get in!
One more thing almost everyone of his multimillion contracts (the salary was league minimum but they all had giant giant bonus dollars)He signed a few like pitts. QB to a 7 year deal...ouch!

ps you guys are funny

The line: Talk to Gmac "Tell us if he's Cocky and Funny" CLASSIC! :D

JeeberD

10-14-2005, 12:10 AM

ps you guys are funny

The line: Talk to Gmac "Tell us if he's Cocky and Funny" CLASSIC! :D

Do you understand what that line is referring to?

Buzzbee

10-14-2005, 01:25 AM

Of course he does.

Clown 1 = Kyle
Clown 2 = Kevin

WrongWay

10-14-2005, 06:46 AM

So where are all the other "Rookie cheats" Gmac was talking about in his Good Bye post?

When I made the move I didn't think I was cheating, I've seen it happen in this league and others, in fact that's how I saw how it was done.

I don't see any in the FFL's transaction log.

Joe

10-14-2005, 06:58 AM

So where are all the other "Rookie cheats" Gmac was talking about in his Good Bye post?

I don't see any in the FFL's transaction log.

probably just lies by a cheater trying to justify his cheating

bjceac

10-14-2005, 06:59 AM

It looks like he has been booted from the dfl. THe symapthy is not suprising since the cheat has been identified, and he would have a difficult time continuing this. It would most certainly get him punished. Whether he gets a huge benefit, trying to circumvent the framework that it he should operate is cheating.

jeff061

10-14-2005, 06:59 AM

Seems to me he'll be out of the DFL soon as well.

gottimd

10-14-2005, 07:04 AM

I love the "I don't like the way the Rookie Contracts work so I..." line. There are tons of things I get the short end of the stick on too for having a losing record (Staff Hiring, Free Agency), but that doesn't mean it is ok to open in commissioner mode and tailor it to the way I want so I can get the game to do what I want.

gottimd

10-14-2005, 07:05 AM

Dola-

Since no one helped me out on how to get into an elevator, I ran into the doors again.

Ksyrup

10-14-2005, 07:06 AM

First DFL, then DHL, then Fed Ex and UPS...he'll be blackballed from the shipping industry. Lucky for him there's still the USPS.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 08:08 AM

Of course he does.

Clown 1 = Kyle
Clown 2 = Kevin

Clown 1 = Monte McGuire
Cheney, Ks
Computer Programmer
Kinda funny

Clown 2 = Shane McGuire
Wichita, Ks
Food Salesman
BIG TIME FUNNY
"and NO what DOES cocky and FUNNY" mean....??
I've been cocky and Funny my whole life
I thought you were talking about me?
By the way I too Wish Elevator's were Easier!

JeeberD

10-14-2005, 08:12 AM

Subby

10-14-2005, 08:29 AM

I hope you guys are carrying on the McGuire brothers tradition of being really really fat and riding around on your motorcycles and dabbling in professional wrestling and being in the Guinness Book of World Record for fattest twins.

I hope.

WSUCougar

10-14-2005, 08:50 AM

I've been cocky and Funny my whole life
It's too early in the morning for this...

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 08:56 AM

what a fucking train wreck

Ksyrup

10-14-2005, 09:00 AM

It's too early in the morning for this...
If you're truly cocky and funny, it's never too early in the morning.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 09:18 AM

"Cocky and Funny" is an inside board joke about a guy named Hornsmaniac who claimed to be the board's best Lothario...and was proven to be an on-line multiplayer league cheater when he edited players in the OOTP league he was running.
I walked into that one! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I thought this whole Board was Cocky and Funny!
I need to come up with a new LINE!
Like I'm Fat like a McGuire Brother CLOWN!

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 09:20 AM

ip check

Clown2

10-14-2005, 09:22 AM

IQ check!

WSUCougar

10-14-2005, 09:30 AM

Don't take this the wrong way, but I hate clowns. I wanted to rip the guts out of that little evil enchanted bastard in Poltergeist.

Ksyrup

10-14-2005, 09:31 AM

Over the years, I've become ultra-suspicious of clowns who use way too many exclamation points.

I'm just sayin'.

Barkeep49

10-14-2005, 09:34 AM

Don't take this the wrong way, but I hate clowns. I wanted to rip the guts out of that little evil enchanted bastard in Poltergeist.
I can't see how anyone would take that the wrong way WSU.

rkmsuf

10-14-2005, 09:37 AM

http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/6011/history05sd.jpg

Pumpy Tudors

10-14-2005, 10:56 AM

Clown2 types just like capsicum. I think a couple of you folks got your wish.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 11:05 AM

Clown2 types just like capsicum. I think a couple of you folks got your wish.
Translation: Is this GOOD for me, or BAD for me?

Pumpy Tudors

10-14-2005, 11:10 AM

Translation: Is this GOOD for me, or BAD for me?
I think it's great.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 11:12 AM

ONLY 994 MORE POST TO GO TO GET TO 1,000!

Buzzbee

10-14-2005, 11:14 AM

ONLY 994 MORE POST TO GO TO GET TO 1,000!
I'll take the under.

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 11:41 AM

Translation: Is this GOOD for me, or BAD for me?

baby jesus knows.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 11:44 AM

baby jesus knows.
I dont want a Baby jesus give me the big boy jesus
The one thats coming and pissed!

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 11:46 AM

I dont want a Baby jesus give me the big boy jesus
The one thats coming and pissed!

I sure hope your school bus driver friend knows what you are talking about, because that makes no sense to me.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 11:47 AM

I dont want a Baby jesus give me the big boy jesus
The one thats coming and pissed!
cuz by god GMAC has got to PAY!

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 11:50 AM

cuz by god GMAC has got to PAY!

:(

digamma

10-14-2005, 11:50 AM

Clown2 types just like capsicum. I think a couple of you folks got your wish.
I was thinking of another Vikings fan.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 11:50 AM

I sure hope your school bus driver friend knows what you are talking about, because that makes no sense to me.
its your quote....
baby jesus knows....maybe a comma or semicolon to get your point across
such as baby, jesus knows
or baby jesus; knows

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 11:51 AM

I was thinking of another Vikings fan.

no, he's usually pretty witty, and less beligerant.

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 11:52 AM

its your quote....
baby jesus knows....maybe a comma or semicolon to get your point across
such as baby, jesus knows
or baby jesus; knows

Oh, I know another quote by the baby jesus.

"Be good while I'm gone, or I'll come back stronger and more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Clown2

10-14-2005, 12:01 PM

I dont know that verse...
Hey I'm knew here am I being mean...
I thought this was the big boy board?
---sorry if i came across mean!~

rkmsuf

10-14-2005, 12:02 PM

Do you by chance have any expertise in the area of kick ass video games?

Clown2

10-14-2005, 12:07 PM

Do you by chance have any expertise in the area of kick ass video games?
I enjoy a good round of Lemonaide Stand!

Me and my brother used to play Abpa football year around.....you know the cards and the boards and the dice....oh gawd...This game is amazing compared to that ...lame game.

Thanks for the chat...anyone else want to take a shot at the CLOWN!
You guys are STILL funny!

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 12:09 PM

I enjoy a good round of Lemonaide Stand!

Me and my brother used to play Abpa football year around.....you know the cards and the boards and the dice....oh gawd...This game is amazing compared to that ...lame game.

Thanks for the chat...anyone else want to take a shot at the CLOWN!
You guys are STILL funny!

No, but thanks for the compliment.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 12:11 PM

sorry I ment to say Funny looking!

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 12:25 PM

sorry I ment to say Funny looking!

Burn.

Clown2

10-14-2005, 12:27 PM

sachmo what league are you in?

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 12:42 PM

sachmo what league are you in?

strictly minor leagues. bush league, even.

Icy

10-14-2005, 12:53 PM

Related questions as i just too knowledge about anybody being able to open the league as commish or as any other team.

- Does it mean that for example Kansas owner can open the league as Miami, release all the players, export and upload the file? That is an extreme example that would be easily noticeable, but there are tons of minors things that could be done that way to your oponents.

- Also, if you open it as another team, can you see their gameplans for the past week?

- Can i open as any other team and watch all the roster throught the eyes of their scouts instead of mine?

I think the answer to all that questions is yes, and if so then we have a major problem that would make me reconsider if it worths to play in any online league, not only because GM's being able to cheat during contracts etc, but also because there is no point on having scouts or gameplanning thinking that nobody knows how do you play. I feel i have been playing blind until now.

stevew

10-14-2005, 01:12 PM

Icy

10-14-2005, 01:16 PM

gstelmack

10-14-2005, 01:22 PM

Dola, i have been confirmed about all that what is really sad. I doubt that a lot of GM's have done any major cheat with contracts etc, but i'm pretty sure that some have opened the file as other teams to watch their gameplans. I wonder now why all the stupid secretism about sharing gameplaning knowledge if everybody can open your file and watch your gameplans.

Sad day for me as FOF multiplayer, the true really hurts and i feel i have been a stupid blind until today thinking everybody was trying to guess the rivals gameplans when the true is that everybody could just watch them.
Playing multiplayer online games with strangers will ALWAYS have this problem. Doesn't matter if it is a football text sim, an RTS, or an FPS. There are a bunch of people out there that will do ANYTHING to win, and there are a bunch of people out there whose idea of fun is wrecking the game for other people.

If you don't want to deal with this, play with people you know and like. My office FOF league is going strong, and I doubt the IHOF will have issues like this. But if you're playing with random people you barely know, you'll deal with this in every game you play.

Unfortunately the cheaters / team-killers have the upper hand. It is impossible to stop them messing with stuff, ESPECIALLY on the PC because they have access to the client code. Sure, there are steps Jim could take to help raise the bar a bit, but even passwords can be cracked because the cracker has access to the algorithm to decrypt them (it's in the .exe he is running). Heck, the Xbox is a "closed" system and it has been hacked to death.

So your best bet is to play with people you know and trust.

Icy

10-14-2005, 01:37 PM

I see your point gstelmack, but we are playing through internet, everybody is a stranger. We can know all the nicks, even some real names and have friends made at fofc or other boards, but to say that you really know that ppl...

About being always ways to crack a game, yes that is true, but it's not the same to use a password cracker, or to have programming knowledge to guess the encript code from a .exe than to just being able to open the league game as any team with a few clicks. As i said before, i doubt lots of ppl is really cheating with contracts but to watch the other team gameplans or throught their scouts eyes? well that is a minor cheat and i bet a lot justify it as just doing advanced scouting.

Today i have lost most of my interest on online leagues, it's like if suddenly you knew for sure that the game AI cheated you when playing solo, would you play that game ever again?

Also, why haven't this ever documented/discussed so all us would know about it? or i missed that threads or again the stupid competitive ppl didn't talk about that to use in their own profit as it's done with a lot of knowledge about fof2k4.

mrsimperless

10-14-2005, 01:38 PM

I wish my FOF league had an office.

gottimd

10-14-2005, 01:48 PM

So should there be a "Blackballed list" posted in the FOFC MP directory including aliases and IP addresses of known offenders/cheaters?

Cuckoo

10-14-2005, 02:05 PM

Also, why haven't this ever documented/discussed so all us would know about it? or i missed that threads or again the stupid competitive ppl didn't talk about that to use in their own profit as it's done with a lot of knowledge about fof2k4.

It has been mentioned and discussed quite a few times that I remember. I think the reason it isn't more often is twofold. One, most of us are resolved to the fact that we have to have some blind trust in MP leagues. And two, there's no need to give people that would do this kind of thing any more ideas.

As for gameplanning and stuff, if you tweak your gameplans at the last moment, it's essentially like real life. Real life teams know basically what their opponents are going to do, but there are always last minute adjustments and stuff. In NAFL, if you do your gameplanning off the interim file, no other team can see your "wrinkles" until after the game.

I understand your frustration, but I think you may be going overboard on how extensive the damage really is in things like this.

prime98

10-14-2005, 02:12 PM

Theres another exploit that lets you renegotiate contracts that have already been signed. For example if you signed a player after the season starts, they only take one year deals, but the exploit lets you sign them to a multi-year contract.

Its quite easy to detect since the player will be listed as signing 2 contracts in the logs, but also quite easy to miss if you aren't looking for it. Just another thing to keep an eye out for.

gottimd

10-14-2005, 02:15 PM

There is also a cheat that allows you to lose many games a year and not have a winning record yet in your MP league.

Oh wait, thats not a cheat, its just my pathetic game planning.

stevew

10-14-2005, 02:15 PM

rkmsuf

10-14-2005, 02:16 PM

There is also a cheat that allows you to lose many games a year and not have a winning record yet in your MP league.

Oh wait, thats not a cheat, its just my pathetic game planning.

Start punting on first down. That will throw them off.

gottimd

10-14-2005, 02:22 PM

Start punting on first down. That will throw them off.
That would be probably do just as well as my QB waiting til third down to throw his 5th INT of the game. Oh well, I crushed the Cowboys though.

prime98

10-14-2005, 02:31 PM

Im guessing, just off hand, that you trade the guy to another team, and then back to your team, and then save in Commish mode, open in regular mode, and then sign him to a new contract?
Yep. I imagine after this thread many commissioners will be a little more watchful, and this is very easy to check. Though I wouldn't be surprised if someone has used it before.

Nwobhm

10-14-2005, 02:33 PM

I think he's still in the NFL front office league..otherwise everyone's given him the boot

JediKooter

10-14-2005, 02:43 PM

It just sucks that this type of attention is the most attention our league has ever had.

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 03:05 PM

It just sucks that this type of attention is the most attention our league has ever had.

f'in elitists...there can be only one.

yacovfb

10-14-2005, 03:07 PM

I think he's still in the NFL front office league..otherwise everyone's given him the boot

Acutally, he left our league before this thing even went down. Good to see that he's gone from every league he was in.

mrsimperless

10-14-2005, 03:17 PM

I think it is ridiculous how the media has hyped this issue up to epic proportions. It's now become this week's shark attacks. I don't think that a 5% chance of someone cheating 50 million FOF players in multiplayer is really that big of a deal

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 03:40 PM

Clown2

10-14-2005, 03:42 PM

Just another bush leaguer!

Clown2

10-14-2005, 04:02 PM

Just another bush leaguer!
wait a minute 15 posts...I'm a BUSH leaguer!

Subby

10-14-2005, 04:05 PM

Hey wig!

fantastic flying froggies

10-14-2005, 04:15 PM

So should there be a "Blackballed list" posted in the FOFC MP directory including aliases and IP addresses of known offenders/cheaters?
I'll second that.

And just as an aside, this thread 's been a real eye opener. Call me naive or stupid, but I never even thought of opening a game as the commish or another team...

Oh, and some great discussion about elevators in there somewhere too...:D

PackerFanatic

10-14-2005, 04:50 PM

It just sucks that this type of attention is the most attention our league has ever had.

I agree...thats why I am still asking if anyone wants to join! We don't put with any shit! lol...

PackerFanatic

10-14-2005, 04:50 PM

I am pretty surprised as to how much exposure my post got, I thought maybe this was something that had been seen before which is why I posted about it, because I was baffled. Really opened some eyes all over.

sachmo71

10-14-2005, 04:57 PM

RailsFS

10-14-2005, 05:46 PM

you have eyes all over? ohhh ;) .

fixed

JediKooter

10-15-2005, 03:05 AM

f'in elitists...there can be only one.

haha. At least our commisioner hasn't run off on us.......oh wait, that already happened to us too. Nevermind. :D

daedalus

10-15-2005, 05:47 AM

Yeah, this thread and this situation have been a bit of a depressing eye opener (with regards to online league), as Triple-F said, as I have never considered this possibilty. And it kind of saddens me that someone would even consider doing it.

On the other hand, I honestly cannot say it's made any difference to me one way or the other. I don't know if it's arrogance, pride, naivete, stupidity or a combination of all but I don't feel like I have anything to worry about with regards to this with the CFL group of owners. And, based on what I know of them so far, as we go through more seasons together, we will be developing the same feeling for each other in the GEFL group. This is not meant as a knock on any other league or be boastful about the leagues I am participating in in any way, shape or form. I'm simply expressing my feeling for the people who are now feeling ambivalent about participating in an online league that, as you go through seasons and you get to "know" your fellow owners/GMs, you will (hopefully) develop similar feeling, vibe or trust in your fellow owners/GMs and be able to just enjoy the experience for what it is (getting my ass kicked yearly, oh JOY). The only person in the two leagues I know in person is SackAttack so it's not like I can claim to "know" any of these folks in person to be able to get a feel for who and how they are. But after posting with and reading posts by some of the other people on this board and being in a league with some of the people for a period of time, I feel like I can just enjoy myself in a league with them. And just not enjoy my team sucking purely for what it is (my suckness as an owner/GM).

Sorry about the ramble as I'm damn sleepy. I just wanted to toss out my $0.02 toward the people who now seem gunshy about participating in an online league. To me, it's going to just be about getting to know folks you are playing with and just enjoying the experience. And, if you are not, then find a new one.

PS - I think some of y'all are being a bit harsh on the McGuires/Clowns. But that's me.

WrongWay

10-15-2005, 06:34 AM

Related questions as i just too knowledge about anybody being able to open the league as commish or as any other team.

- Does it mean that for example Kansas owner can open the league as Miami, release all the players, export and upload the file? That is an extreme example that would be easily noticeable, but there are tons of minors things that could be done that way to your oponents.

- Also, if you open it as another team, can you see their gameplans for the past week?

- Can i open as any other team and watch all the roster throught the eyes of their scouts instead of mine?

Has anyone confirmed this?

My answers would be No, Yes, Yes.

I don't see how Exporting your teams stage file to your Commish would cause this problem on another team?

Edit: Never mind your talkign about fake uploading.

Cuckoo

10-15-2005, 09:36 AM

Has anyone confirmed this?

My answers would be No, Yes, Yes.

I don't see how Exporting your teams stage file to your Commish would cause this problem on another team?

Edit: Never mind your talkign about fake uploading.

The answer is yes. However, most leagues have a system by which only one GM can upload or send his team's exports - whether it be a set e-mail address from which to send it or the way the NAFL has now, an upload page where a GM's forum log-in is used and he can only upload his team's extension number.

Edit: Just saw your Edit. :)

stevew

11-02-2005, 08:52 AM

At least one good thing could possibly come out of Gmac-ing the rookie deals. With this exploit used with a league okay, you can now trade players that have been drafted without having to offer them a huge bonus first. You'd have to put a stipulation on the trade that the new team receiving the player offer him his full slotted contract amount, something to that degree. But it could at least have a benefit in that way.