Werewolf XIX: Return to the Forest - Night(4)

[RPI-Fan]

Werewolf XVIII - Return to the Forest

You thought the wolves had been eliminated. Instead, they have reappeared after just a short time, and again appear to have infested the village. A handful of reclusive villagers and avid woodsmen made their way into the deep forest to isolate themselves from the wolves. It does not take long, however, for them to realize that the wolves have joined them and are ready to strike at any time. During the day, of course, they are regular people, trying to help in the search for the wolves. What can be done to curtail these evil creatures... ?


Primary Roles

Werewolf - You belong to a pack of werewolves.
Villager - You are a villager, and your sole purpose is to survive.
Seer - You are the seer, and can view the true identity of a man or wolf. Each night you may choose to view the true identity (pertaining only to wolf/villager) of one player.
Herbalist - You possess a bag of wolfsbane, the deadliest herb known to all wolfkind. Each night, you may choose to protect someone by slipping wolfsbane upon him. You may not choose the same person two nights in a row. You may, however, choose yourself.
Secret Role(s) - There are secret role(s) in this game.


Rules

-There will be two phases, a Day Phase and a Night Phase.

-During the Day Phase, everyone votes to lynch one player. In case of a tie, the player who got his first vote last will be lynched.

-During the Night Phase, all players with Night actions may choose to do their actions, or do nothing at all. You may choose to delegate one wolf to kill one person each night. Unless there is only one wolf remaining, the same wolf may not kill on consecutive nights. One werewolf (need not be the killer) will PM me with their decision.

-Note that a secret role may be mixed with a primary role.

-If a player is lynched, his Primary Role is revealed. For the wolves' night kills, roles will not be revealed.

-12/24 Hour deadlines will be in effect. This means that, after Night(0), there will be 24 hours until the lynching deadline, and once the lynch post is made by me there will be 12 hours until the Night phase ends. Rinse, repeat.

-Werewolves win if they reach a 1:1 ratio with the villagers. Villagers win if all werewolves are dead.

-If you have a Night action, but do not wish to do anything that night, you may PM me ahead of time or during the night, and this opens up the possibility of speeding things up slightly. There will, however, always be 24 hours between the start of a Day and the end of a Day.


Playerlist

1) st.cronin
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman
4) pennywisesb
5) Schmidty
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW
12) saldana
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93
17)
18)
19)
20)

Alternates

1) Passacaglia

[RPI-Fan]

This is my first try at running a game. I'd planned on it being pretty simple with a couple of mildly significant twists. If people don't like the way the rules shape up, that's fine, I'd be happy to have someone else come up with some so I get to play instead!!

If you'd like to sign up, just post in the thread. We'd need 15-18 players, or so, to work best.

[st.cronin]

in

[Raiders Army]

I have the time this week and next, so I'm good for this.

[dacman]

Are WW nOObs welcome?

[st.cronin]

Are WW nOObs welcome?

Absolutely not. Get out!

j/k

[RPI-Fan]

Are WW nOObs welcome?

Yea', of course!

[dacman]

Absolutely not. Get out!

j/k
You could just make me the sacrificial day one lynch. :D

[pennywisesb]

Count me in. Work should be pretty slow this week unlike during the last game.....

[Passacaglia]

At this point, I don't think I can be in, unless the signups drag. Sorry, RPI! Looks like it would have been fun!

[Schmidty]

I would like in.

[Blade6119]

Im in if allowed

[McSweeny]

i'm in

[Poli]

Sign me up.

[Schmidty]

Sign me up.

You're going down, bitch!!!! :D

[SnDvls]

IN

[Grammaticus]

I've never played before, but would like to give it a shot. Just depends on when the phases are. I work a straight forward schedule, 8am to 5pm, but sometimes don't get home until 7pm. What time will the phases end? Staying up late is generally not a problem.

[TazFTW]

I'm in.

[RPI-Fan]

I've never played before, but would like to give it a shot. Just depends on when the phases are. I work a straight forward schedule, 8am to 5pm, but sometimes don't get home until 7pm. What time will the phases end? Staying up late is generally not a problem.

You would probably be Ok with that schedule (for one thing it pretty much exactly matches mine!)... the Day phase (the more time-intensive one) lasts 24 hours, so no matter what there would be a significant chunk of time where you're online.

[saldana]

is dubb playing...if he is, i'm not ;)

seriously, i am in, and if i could make a minor request, if there is anyway the nighttime deadline falls between 9pm and 10 pm i would be greatful

[dubb93]

is dubb playing...if he is, i'm not ;)

seriously, i am in, and if i could make a minor request, if there is anyway the nighttime deadline falls between 9pm and 10 pm i would be greatful

I'm thinking about it, but have finals this week. When is the start date for this game?

[Grammaticus]

You would probably be Ok with that schedule (for one thing it pretty much exactly matches mine!)... the Day phase (the more time-intensive one) lasts 24 hours, so no matter what there would be a significant chunk of time where you're online.
Sounds good, any idea on what day you are going to start day zero?

[RPI-Fan]

Sounds good, any idea on what day you are going to start day zero?

Probably Wednesday or Thursday... pretty much just depends on when/if there's enough interest.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm thinking about it, but have finals this week. When is the start date for this game?

Finals for me, too. I'll set a tentative start time of 10pm on Thursday, Dec. 15, meaning a Night(0) deadline of 10am on Friday.

[Barkeep49]

I will play. I thought I'd have to start sitting out but I think the 24 hour cycles will give me enough time to be an effective player.

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- One recommendation that I foolishly didn't follow last time:

Put numbers for 18 people (or whatever your goal is) so people see there are still open slots.

And dacman I'm estatic to have a new player around and assure you short of a seer's reveal, I will not vote for you on Day 1.

[kingfc22]

After much thought. I'm in

[saldana]

Dola -- One recommendation that I foolishly didn't follow last time:

Put numbers for 18 people (or whatever your goal is) so people see there are still open slots.

And dacman I'm estatic to have a new player around and assure you short of a seer's reveal, I will not vote for you on Day 1.

i dont think anyone will vote for dacman on day one......we will all be too busy voting for blade

[WVUFAN]

Here's another newbie interested. Is there still room?

[Blade6119]

i dont think anyone will vote for dacman on day one......we will all be too busy voting for blade

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[pennywisesb]

i dont think anyone will vote for dacman on day one......we will all be too busy voting for blade

I guess I'll get it started then, VOTE BLADE ;)

[RPI-Fan]

OK, we can proceed with those currently signed up, but getting at least one more would be positive. I've got dubb93 on the alternate list, but he can, of course, choose to join before the start if he'd like.

With that said, Night(0) will begin Thursday @ 9pm... therefore Day(1) will begin @ ~9am on Friday, December 16th, barring any objections, of course.

Thanks!
~rpi-fan

[dubb93]

OK, we can proceed with those currently signed up, but getting at least one more would be positive. I've got dubb93 on the alternate list, but he can, of course, choose to join before the start if he'd like.

With that said, Night(0) will begin Thursday @ 9pm... therefore Day(1) will begin @ ~9am on Friday, December 16th, barring any objections, of course.

Thanks!
~rpi-fan

You convinced me, I'll play.

[RPI-Fan]

I've got the roles ready to go, but since I said we aren't starting Night(0) until tomorrow, was planning on waiting to give them out.

However, if people felt they'd like to have them now, I'd be happy to do that!

[pennywisesb]

I've got the roles ready to go, but since I said we aren't starting Night(0) until tomorrow, was planning on waiting to give them out.

However, if people felt they'd like to have them now, I'd be happy to do that!


Lets do this...

[SnDvls]

Lets do this...


gimmie a role man

[Blade6119]

I've got the roles ready to go, but since I said we aren't starting Night(0) until tomorrow, was planning on waiting to give them out.

However, if people felt they'd like to have them now, I'd be happy to do that!

Might as well so we can all start plotting and figuring out the best way for me to get killed on day one.

[Grammaticus]

I've got the roles ready to go, but since I said we aren't starting Night(0) until tomorrow, was planning on waiting to give them out.

However, if people felt they'd like to have them now, I'd be happy to do that!
Are you going to tell everyone what secret roles exist?

[Blade6119]

Are you going to tell everyone what secret roles exist?
Highly unlikely, but from past games id bet on a witness, a vigilante like role, and maybe a brutal wolf...cursed and blessed possible too

[Poli]

Don't forget the DreamWeaver.

[Raiders Army]

Let's get the party started.

[pennywisesb]

Might as well so we can all start plotting and figuring out the best way for me to get killed on day one.

I don't think I've ever played in a game with you when you actually died on day one...I guess we can always make it a first though ;)

[pennywisesb]

Don't forget the DreamWeaver.

How can we forget, you fooled half of your own team with that revelation....

[Blade6119]

I don't think I've ever played in a game with you when you actually died on day one...I guess we can always make it a first though ;)

Then your lucky...ive died first in 4 games(ive played like 8-9)...the fourth being last game where despite being the first person to vote, voting for a warewolf, and hinting at a seer role, i got killed anyways...im not even going to X-com or the others

[Blade6119]

How can we forget, you fooled half of your own team with that revelation....

maybe the Journalist's assistant will be in there too! I fooled EVERYBODY with that one :)

[dubb93]

Are you going to tell everyone what secret roles exist?

Now ask yourself that question and say the bolded part real loud :cool:

[Grammaticus]

Now ask yourself that question and say the bolded part real loud :cool:
Doh, did I post that instead of think it? Actually, I’ve never played and my exposure is the game you guys played around Thanksgiving (I read that thread). It seems there were secret roles that were handed out. People knew the role existed, but did not know who it was, hence the secret part. So, if there are secret roles other than the ones in that past game, I’m not gonna have any clue as to what impact it can have on the game. Not sure if that impacts game play or not, but I’m ready to roll either way.

[Raiders Army]

Maybe we're just waiting on the thread to get to page two so we can start speculation....

only two more posts to go!

[dubb93]

Maybe we're just waiting on the thread to get to page two so we can start speculation....

only two more posts to go!

I was trying to wait for my role b/f I started playing the game, but I can safely say that based on past history I'm pretty sure you are a wolf.

[Blade6119]

I can safely say i wont survive the whole game...

[Grammaticus]

Maybe we're just waiting on the thread to get to page two so we can start speculation....

only two more posts to go!
There you go, page 2.

[RPI-Fan]

If you have any questions about your role, please try to resolve them with PM's to me before posting in the thread!

[Blade6119]

If you have any questions about your role, please try to resolve them with PM's to me before posting in the thread!

What if we didnt recieve one? Im assuming your sending out as we speak, just being a smartass :p

[RPI-Fan]

Roles have been sent out. Playerlist is on the first page, first post.

This will commence Night(0). I specifically mentioned Night(0) in your PM if you have an action for tonight. If you did not see the word Night(0) in your PM, you don't have any action until Night(1).

The deadline for Night(0) is 10am on Friday, December 16th.

[RPI-Fan]

Want to throw this out there... I'm not all that good at doing fancy fictional write-ups, so I was wondering if people minded if I kept the Day/Night action summary posts short and sweet? If people like reading a little story, I'll do my best to come up with something!

~rpi-fan

[RPI-Fan]

Added this rule the rulelist: If you have a Night action, but do not wish to do anything that night, you may PM me ahead of time or during the night, and this opens up the possibility of speeding things up slightly. There will, however, always be 24 hours between the start of a Day and the end of a Day.

[SnDvls]

villager checking in

[Barkeep49]

Well considering I normally do my first day vote based on activity I suppose I should check in :). If there are other roles which are facing the game theory dilemna of my role it should make for an incredibly interesting game.

[Grammaticus]

Villager checking in

[dubb93]

Villager checking in...hopefully the wolves don't kill me on night 1 this time.

[Grammaticus]

So, is it pretty much a given that someone gets lynched on day one or is it ever good form to wait until the second day?

[dubb93]

So, is it pretty much a given that someone gets lynched on day one or is it ever good form to wait until the second day?

Most of the time it is no good. The later you put off getting voting patterns the better it works out for the wolves as they get free kills during the night. Even if a villager is lynched early(which is usually a given), you can atleast get some voting patterns out of it.

[kingfc22]

Another villager checking in.

[WVUFAN]

Clueless first-time Villager checking in.

[Blade6119]

RPI, i will be in vegas until sunday night meaning i will miss the first day or two...im a regular villager, but if you feel that is too long i will drop out.

[TazFTW]

Villager checking in.

[Raiders Army]

Want to throw this out there... I'm not all that good at doing fancy fictional write-ups, so I was wondering if people minded if I kept the Day/Night action summary posts short and sweet? If people like reading a little story, I'll do my best to come up with something!

~rpi-fan
I have no problem with short and sweet.

Also, simple villager checking in.

[Poli]

Checking in. Work will be "interesting" today. It's our last day full of students. Tomorrow morning they leave bright and early for home. I'll be on the road shortly after that heading home for Missouri.

[Barkeep49]

So, is it pretty much a given that someone gets lynched on day one or is it ever good form to wait until the second day?
I also believe this rules set doesn't offer you an option to not lynch on the first day anyway.

[dacman]

Villager here.

[pennywisesb]

Boring villager checking in.

RPI, the game is going to resume again on Monday after tomorrow correct? IE. the game won't continue through the weekend? The reason I ask is I'm heading up to Tahoe tomorrow to snowboard for the weekend

[RPI-Fan]

It looks like there are 3-4 people who won't be around this weekend.

I'm sorry to change the schedule like this, but so we don't have any issues, we'll do the following:

Night(0) ends Thursday, December 15th @ 9:30 pm. Day(1) ends Friday, December 16th @ 9:30pm. Night(1) Ends Monday, December 17th @ 9:30am. Then back to a normal 12/24 schedule.

Sorry, and thanks for your understanding! Any alternative suggestions, please let me know!

~rpi-fan

[saldana]

very tired villager that had to work really late last night checking in, and the schedule change works for me no problem.

[McSweeny]

i'll be in and out for most of tomorrow and i doubt i'll be around for the deadline, but heading into next week i should have plenty of time to devote to the game

[pennywisesb]

i'll be in and out for most of tomorrow and i doubt i'll be around for the deadline, but heading into next week i should have plenty of time to devote to the game

Ditto for me. I leave early tomorrow morning for Tahoe, and I'm not sure if I'll have internet access after around 6am tomorrow until I get back Monday. Next week I should be able to devote plenty of time to the game however.

[st.cronin]

vanilla villager here

I have been having intermittent network problems for the last couple of days. If it keeps up, I may have to drop out.

[pennywisesb]

Its very quiet around here.....Hmmmmm....

[Grammaticus]

Well, with the new time schedule nothing happens for about 24 hours, right?

[kingfc22]

Nobody is dead yet. What a boring game. ;)

[McSweeny]

Nobody is dead yet. What a boring game. ;)well don't worry, i think Blade is do for a lynching pretty soon :)

[RPI-Fan]

It was a cold, windy night with a hint of snowfall. You didn't hear anything through the night, but when you wake up you realize that RPI-Fan has been eaten. The village must now begin their efforts in earnest to rid the town of the werewolves!

It is now Day(1). The deadline for lynching votes is 10:00pm on Friday, December 16th.

Playerlist

1) st.cronin
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman
4) pennywisesb
5) Schmidty
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW
12) saldana
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Blade.

Oh. Not playing this one. Sorry. :)

Good luck guys!

[Raiders Army]

Damn. I was going to vote for RPI-Fan, too.

[Barkeep49]

Well my computer time is going to be limited between now and the deadline. I will be back in a few hours but I traditionally like to vote for someone who hasn't been around on Day 1. And only one person hasn't checked in. Therefore I'll

Vote Schmidty

[Poli]

For throwing the first stone. :)

Vote Barkeep49

[saldana]

this could be the quietest werewolf gaMe ever, not really enough of anything to make any kind of vote on, so since he voted for me for no reason last game

VOTE ST CRONIN

[st.cronin]

this could be the quietest werewolf gaMe ever, not really enough of anything to make any kind of vote on, so since he voted for me for no reason last game

VOTE ST CRONIN

ha

I like your logic

wag: VOTE RAIDER'S ARMY

[kingfc22]

I don't see us getting anywhere if I vote for a 5th person, so I will:

VOTE SALDANA

[dubb93]

Got a break between my finals today. Got another one at 4, and kinda have an end of semester party that I didn't know about untill today right after that call. All this means this will most likely be my only chance to check this thread today...

1. Before the deadline. and

2. sober

I'll read through the thread and throw my vote out there before I leave.

[dubb93]

I'm not going to vote for a 6th person so it comes down to Barkeep, St. Cronin, Schmidty, RA, and Saldana.

I'm not voting for Barkeep or RA since they both have been wolves in the last game they played, thus in my mind making it less likely they are a wolf this game.

That norrows it down to Schmidty, St. Cronin, and Saldana. Cronin makes a little more sense, especially if the roles weren't really random, and plus I feel sorry for how early Schmidty dies sometimes in these games. And Saldana always accuses me for wanting to kill him, so I'll give him a break this game.

VOTE ST. CRONIN

[dubb93]

I don't see us getting anywhere if I vote for a 5th person, so I will:


And yet you did exactly that. Are you saying you don't want us to get anywhere?

[Schmidty]

I'm around now, and since he voted for me, and I have nothing to go on:

VOTE BARKEEP

[dubb93]

Off to my last final, as long as I don't get below a 31 on it, I only have 1 more semester b/f I graduate. If by some chance I completely blow this or break my leg on my way to class(more likely with all the snow and ice on the ground), then I won't be able to advance to the next semester and will have to retake this class next year.

Hopefully we get a wolf tonight!

[st.cronin]

I'm a villager, don't have any knowledge or role to use as a defense.

[Grammaticus]

Sounds like Raiders Army ends up always being a wolf. So, if you believe in destiny, he would be a good blind guess. So the best thing to do is make him a villager with the wolfsbane, so he can protect himself on the first day. Well, since I’m new at this, I just did a randomly generated pick and it came out as:

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

No hard feelings village buddy.

[McSweeny]

I'm not going to vote for a 6th person so it comes down to Barkeep, St. Cronin, Schmidty, RA, and Saldana.

I'm not voting for Barkeep or RA since they both have been wolves in the last game they played, thus in my mind making it less likely they are a wolf this game.

That norrows it down to Schmidty, St. Cronin, and Saldana. Cronin makes a little more sense, especially if the roles weren't really random, and plus I feel sorry for how early Schmidty dies sometimes in these games. And Saldana always accuses me for wanting to kill him, so I'll give him a break this game.

VOTE ST. CRONINstarting a bandwagon on the first day is a pretty wolfish move don't you think? No one is sure about who to vote for on the first day, so a wolf comes along and starts piling on a villager. The rest of us just want to stay alive so we figure "better him than me". "Sorry st. cronin, you know how it is... day 1 and all..." is how we rationalize it. I'm not falling for your little trap Dubb

so with that

VOTE DUBB93

[McSweeny]

dola

why else would Dubb want to be the first one to cast a second vote? weird logic

[Raiders Army]

I don't see us getting anywhere if I vote for a 5th person, so I will:

VOTE SALDANA
Let's see here. st. cronin votes for me. saldana votes for him. kingfc22 votes for saldana. I'll keep this loop alive by

VOTE KINGFC22

[RPI-Fan]

Barkeep49 VOTE SCHMIDTY
ardent VOTE BARKEEP49
saldana VOTE ST.CRONIN
st.cronin VOTE RAIDERS ARMY
kingfc22 VOTE SALDANA
dubb VOTE ST.CRONIN
Schmidty VOTE BARKEEP49
Grammaticus VOTE ARDENT
McSweeny VOTE DUBB
Raiders Army VOTE KINGFC22

Schmidty (1): Barkeep
Barkeep (2): ardent, Schmidty
st.cronin (2): saldana, dubb
Raiders Army (1): st.cronin
saldana (1): kingfc22
ardent (1): Grammaticus
dubb (1): McSweeny
kingfc22 (1): Raiders Army

[dacman]

Too much pontification in his part for a friday:

VOTE DUBB93

[dubb93]

starting a bandwagon on the first day is a pretty wolfish move don't you think? No one is sure about who to vote for on the first day, so a wolf comes along and starts piling on a villager. The rest of us just want to stay alive so we figure "better him than me". "Sorry st. cronin, you know how it is... day 1 and all..." is how we rationalize it. I'm not falling for your little trap Dubb

so with that

VOTE DUBB93

Just got out of class early, it was supposed to run till 7. Anyway I pretty well aced the final and didn't break a leg walking there :D

Anyway, you are just pissed off b/c I outted you last game. I don't believe you are a wolf this game, but being the first to cast a second vote is exactly what a wolf wouldn't do. They would try to bury their vote, spread it out, they would not jump the gun on day 1. It makes no sense, you sir, need to go back and take werewolf 101.

Too much pontification in his part for a friday:

VOTE DUBB93

I don't appreciate your use of big words in a werewolf game;), but that aside your logic is flawed. Did I make assumptions that can't be proven? Yes, but I narrowed it down using my logic. Kill me tonight and the villagers lose one of their best assets. I now see why bad players and newbies are trying to pile on me. I'll take your votes more serious when a good player throws his vote on me.

As is, it helps no one by spreading our vote out. It makes more sense to have a 2 or 3 person bandwagon on day 1, spread the votes evenly and dare someone to make a move. That flushes the wolves out. And if by chance one of the people that are in the group is a wolf, when he is later lynched it makes it so much easier to go back to this vote and see who didn't vote for him.

Now I'm off to get ready for a party.

[Vince]

Bonus points for dacman for using pontification in a sentence :)

I'll be reading along, as usual guys. Good luck!

[Raiders Army]

Not gonna let this be a tie.

UNVOTE KINGFC22
VOTE ST. CRONIN

[kingfc22]

And yet you did exactly that. Are you saying you don't want us to get anywhere?
LOL. That's what happens when you write 10 employee reviews and then come check the board. I meant to follow saldana's vote. Oops.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE ST.CRONIN

[st.cronin]

Well, I don't want to be lynched (as it appears I will be), but as a villager, if the villagers win, I win. So hopefully you all get some good info out of the vote.

[Raiders Army]

LOL. That's what happens when you write 10 employee reviews and then come check the board. I meant to follow saldana's vote. Oops.

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE ST.CRONIN

Interesting "mistake"

[WVUFAN]

Vote Dubb93.

[Poli]

WVU, you can't edit that post. You have to make your vote without editing.

[WVUFAN]

Sorry. I'm brand new at this. :-(

I vote Dubb93. I thought we had to bold it, so I had edited it to add the bold.

Again, apologies. :-)

[saldana]

Sorry. I'm brand new at this. :-(

I vote Dubb93. I thought we had to bold it, so I had edited it to add the bold.

Again, apologies. :-)


you do need to bold it, so that vote doesnt count either...give it one more try rook. ;)

[TazFTW]

Too much pontification in his part for a friday:

VOTE DUBB93
You seem intelligent. Perhaps a little too intelligent...

VOTE dacman

[WVUFAN]

One more try:


VOTE DUBB93

[RPI-Fan]

After a day that began suspiciously quiet, finger pointing began as the sun made the turn in the sky. By the end of the day, the group had centered around st.cronin. They carried him to the gallows, where he was hanged. The village waited, anticipating his change into a devilish werewolf. But it never occured, and it's revealed that st.cronin was merely a regular villager.

Schmidty (1): Barkeep
Barkeep (2): ardent, Schmidty
st.cronin (4): saldana, dubb, Raiders, kingfc22
Raiders Army (1): st.cronin
ardent (1): Grammaticus
dubb (3): McSweeny, dacman, WVUFAN
dacman (1): TazFTW

Non-voters: Blade, pennywisesb, SnDvls (Jeez, I change the deadlines for two of these people and can't even get a goddamn vote from them!)

It is now Night(1). Players with night actions please have them in by the deadline. The deadline for Night(1) is Monday, December 19th @ 10am.

[RPI-Fan]

Old, Incorrect:

Herbalist - You possess a bag of wolfsbane, the deadliest herb known to all wolfkind. Each night, you may choose to protect someone by slipping wolfsbane upon him. You may not choose someone two nights in a row. You may, however, choose yourself.

New, Correct:

Herbalist - You possess a bag of wolfsbane, the deadliest herb known to all wolfkind. Each night, you may choose to protect someone by slipping wolfsbane upon him. You may not choose the same person two nights in a row. You may, however, choose yourself.

Sorry!
~rpi-fan

[st.cronin]

come on guys, you can do better than that

[dubb93]

Back and not drunk...

Sucks that we didn't get a wolf tonight, but even more troubling is the lack of activity. Nothing to go by so far, at all other than the votes. And they really don't tell me anything at this point.

I guess we can start plowing through the guys that voted for Cronin, that would be as good a place as any to start.

[Raiders Army]

I think everyone is playing the quiet game so far. With a lengthy weekend, I expect it to continue to be as quiet. I think the holidays are also affecting the game.

[saldana]

ok, that sucked. sorry cronin...had to vote for someone, and i owed you from last game :( i hate day 1...time to go look for anything in the votes

[st.cronin]

ok, that sucked. sorry cronin...had to vote for someone, and i owed you from last game :( i hate day 1...time to go look for anything in the votes

no hard feelings - i'd rather be unjustly lynched on day 1 than any other day

[RPI-Fan]

I think everyone is playing the quiet game so far. With a lengthy weekend, I expect it to continue to be as quiet. I think the holidays are also affecting the game.

I agree. It might not be ideal, but I think maybe we'll end up doing a Monday-Thursday next week, then a while off, maybe even the holidays (as I'm moving right around New Year's myself).

I don't know if it'll have lost so much momentum by that time to even bother, though...

[Barkeep49]

I agree. It might not be ideal, but I think maybe we'll end up doing a Monday-Thursday next week, then a while off, maybe even the holidays (as I'm moving right around New Year's myself).

I don't know if it'll have lost so much momentum by that time to even bother, though...
Well I hope that doesn't happen.

[SnDvls]

sorry I was out guys. My wife got her masters from Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, AZ on Friday so we were gone all day.

[Raiders Army]

Need to keep thread alive. I have some suspicions, but want to see what happens after the night phase.

[Poli]

Yeah, I'd like to see the night actions myself.

[RPI-Fan]

I don't have all the night actions yet... as soon as I get everything I need, I'll be happy to update.

[Poli]

Lazy wolves.

[RPI-Fan]

Lazy wolves.

Didn't say that's what I was missing...

[Raiders Army]

lazy seer

[Poli]

Didn't say that's what I was missing...Lazy players with roles.

[Blade6119]

Im back in from vegas just now, and am looking to eat some pasta dinner in a bit then ill get down to helping...sorry for missing vote, but vegas was a blast and you can commence killing me now mafia.

[hoopsguy]

Congrats on making it past Day 1, Blade.

[saldana]

blade, this is what we like to call "the second day of the game"....just trying to help out :)

[Blade6119]

Congrats on making it past Day 1, Blade.
blade, this is what we like to call "the second day of the game"....just trying to help out :)

Wait, im lost....this game had more then 1 day? Ive played like 9 games and never have i seen a day 2...hmmmm. What happens on this so-called "day 2"

Funny, the one time i say nothing i live...interesting indeed :)

[kingfc22]

We have some slow "role" players.

[Barkeep49]

Wait, im lost....this game had more then 1 day? Ive played like 9 games and never have i seen a day 2...hmmmm. What happens on this so-called "day 2"

Funny, the one time i say nothing i live...interesting indeed :)
I'm going to have trouble containing my laughter if the wolves kill you.

[RPI-Fan]

You heard loud, shrieking screams piercing the cold winter air. When there was finally light enough to emerge from the safety of your campsites, you realize that kingfc22's eaten remains lay outside his tent.

Playerlist

1) st.cronin: Lynched, Day(1), Regular Villager
2) Raiders Army
3) dacman
4) pennywisesb
5) Schmidty
6) Blade6119
7) McSweeny
8) ardent enthusiast
9) SnDvls
10) Grammaticus
11) TazTFW
12) saldana
13) Barkeep49
14) kingfc22: Killed, Night(1)
15) WVUFAN
16) dubb93

It is now Day(2). Lynch votes are due by 10:30am EST on Tuesday, December 20th.

[Raiders Army]

Well, that was weird. I suspected kingfc22 was a wolf due to his swing vote for the lynch. I wonder why the wolves would go for him...

[SnDvls]

okay let's get this started.

Vote Ardent

he's laying a little too low for just a villager.

[dacman]

Well, that was weird. I suspected kingfc22 was a wolf due to his swing vote for the lynch. I wonder why the wolves would go for him...
Maybe because no one voted for him -- lack of info strategy. That would make me suspect the wolves scattered their votes around.

[dacman]

Ardent is too quiet, but at least he voted! What about these folks:

Non-voters: Blade, pennywisesb, SnDvls

[Barkeep49]

Maybe because no one voted for him -- lack of info strategy. That would make me suspect the wolves scattered their votes around.
I agree that on day 1 this is the best wolf strategy.

[SnDvls]

Ardent is too quiet, but at least he voted! What about these folks:

Non-voters: Blade, pennywisesb, SnDvls


here I pulled my quote for you.

sorry I was out guys. My wife got her masters from Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, AZ on Friday so we were gone all day.


do I need to send you the graduation program too?

[SnDvls]

dola-
in the game of werewolf, not voting as a wolf only harms the team look at the outlaw game for that.

edit-correct spelling

[Barkeep49]

here I pulled my quote for you.




do I need to send you the graduation program too?
Sending it seems like overkill. A scan of the program will suffice. Please make sure to highlight your wife's name.





:D

[SnDvls]

Sending it seems like overkill. A scan of the program will suffice. Please make sure to highlight your wife's name.





:D


sure where would you like it?? :D

[Barkeep49]

dola-
in the game of werewolf, not voting as a wolf only harms the team look at the outlaw game for that.

edit-correct spelling
All joking aside nonparticipation from villagers, especially nonvotes, hurts the villagers in the long run. Voting and participation are the way we build track records which allows for later deduction. While I'm inclined to believe that you’re innocent and that Blade (bless his day 2 living soul) are innocent, it really is a negative from my perspective.

[SnDvls]

All joking aside nonparticipation from villagers, especially nonvotes, hurts the villagers in the long run. Voting and participation are the way we build track records which allows for later deduction. While I'm inclined to believe that you’re innocent and that Blade (bless his day 2 living soul) are innocent, it really is a negative from my perspective.


agreed- and you can see from my track record in these games I'm an active player. I missed one vote. A lot less than many other "vet" players over all in all the games there are. Remember I had to replace 2 players for lack of participation in the game I ran (one was banned from the board for a time too). So I know it hurts the team. I'll I can say is let's get some wolves now.

[saldana]

I'll I can say is let's get some wolves now.

This is the most important thing you said, we are down 2 right now, so lets get this action going, and Barkeep, in defense of sndvls and blade, they both stated before the weekend that they were going to be out of touch for 3 days because of their preplanned commitment.

[SnDvls]

This is the most important thing you said, we are down 2 right now, so lets get this action going, and Barkeep, in defense of sndvls and blade, they both stated before the weekend that they were going to be out of touch for 3 days because of their preplanned commitment.


actually I did not say I'd be out of touch. I thought with a Thurday start I'd at least get in a day 1 vote, but it turns out that Night 0 was due by Friday @ 10 AM. We left my house in south Chandler, Az @ 8 AM to take the 1 year old to get her one year shots. Then we left to head to Flagstaff, had to be there by 2 PM so hence I missed the day one deadline.....anyhow thanks for trying to defend me, but I can not accept it. I erred in thinking I'd make a day 1 vote in time and didn't bottom line.

Again we've started to get some talk going, let's get some wolves quickly.

[saldana]

I know this is to be expected from me at some point, but I think we need to really look at all the talking dubb did yesterday, and specifically, what he was saying. he had several posts talking about what a wolf would do, and what a wolf wouldnt do. That can be interpreted in two ways....

1. he was trying to educate the newer players in the game

2. he was trying to hide himself by seeming to educate the newer players in the game, when in fact, he is a wolf himself.

seems to me that it would be a great strategy for a wolf to come out to all the new guys in this game as a mentor type, insuring that they would never think that he was a wolf and never vote to lynch him, and if a vote did swing towards him, he could just say "look at all the help i was giving you all game".

this theory also explains why king got whacked last night, as he is usually very good at picking up on people and very active in posting.

this is just a theory, but it makes more sense than anything else i can make of yesterday.

VOTE DUBB

[SnDvls]

dola -

I should state I did not state publicly on here I'd be out of touch, although I knew I would be. that goes to other non voters.

[SnDvls]

I thought the same about Dubb. Then I looked at the fact he had gotten 3 votes yesterday. The wolves had to know he was gaining some suspiction to get 3 votes on day one so they might have layed off him hoping that we'd lynch another villager. I could be swayed towards dubb, but my gut feeling is that he might be a pawn for the wolves right now.

[saldana]

actually I did not say I'd be out of touch. I thought with a Thurday start I'd at least get in a day 1 vote, but it turns out that Night 0 was due by Friday @ 10 AM. We left my house in south Chandler, Az @ 8 AM to take the 1 year old to get her one year shots. Then we left to head to Flagstaff, had to be there by 2 PM so hence I missed the day one deadline.....anyhow thanks for trying to defend me, but I can not accept it. I erred in thinking I'd make a day 1 vote in time and didn't bottom line.

Again we've started to get some talk going, let's get some wolves quickly.

My mistake, it was pennywise that said he was going to be out, along with blade, guess i should have checked back first, either way, i know you are always active, and i for one wont hold the first day abscence against you.

[saldana]

I thought the same about Dubb. Then I looked at the fact he had gotten 3 votes yesterday. The wolves had to know he was gaining some suspiction to get 3 votes on day one so they might have layed off him hoping that we'd lynch another villager. I could be swayed towards dubb, but my gut feeling is that he might be a pawn for the wolves right now.

i thought about this as well, but then i saw something i thought was equally telling...i voted for st cronin on day one for no reason other than he voted for me for no reason in the last game we played. everyone that had voted before or immediately after me picked someone else (either by choice or accident) until Dubb, he was the first one to vote for Cronin after me, which essentially started the bandwagon.

[saldana]

dola, the more i look at things, the more and more confident i become that dubb is a wolf

[dacman]

VOTE DUBB
His handle is dubb93, might have to do that one over.

Anyway, for the same reasons saldana outlined in post #150:

VOTE DUBB93

[SnDvls]

dola, the more i look at things, the more and more confident i become that dubb is a wolf

good point...let me reread it all again.

[saldana]

if you shorten someones handle down but its still obvious who you are talking about, it still counts, but thanks


also, i will be out until about 9 tonight, when i can get on from work during my lunch break.

[SnDvls]

i thought about this as well, but then i saw something i thought was equally telling...i voted for st cronin on day one for no reason other than he voted for me for no reason in the last game we played. everyone that had voted before or immediately after me picked someone else (either by choice or accident) until Dubb, he was the first one to vote for Cronin after me, which essentially started the bandwagon.


I looked at this again and this isn't true.

Barkeep got a 2nd vote first from Schmidty before Dubb put a second vote on St cronin.

I'm going to keep strong on my vote for Ardent.

[saldana]

I looked at this again and this isn't true.

Barkeep got a 2nd vote first from Schmidty before Dubb put a second vote on St cronin.

I'm going to keep strong on my vote for Ardent.

look one more time

Post 84 - barkeep votes schmitdy
Post 85 - Ardent votes barkeep
Post 86 - saldana votes cronin
Post 87 - cronin votes RA
post 88 - king votes saldana
post 89 - no vote cast
post 90 - dubb votes cronin (2nd vote)
post 91 - no vote cast
post 92 - schmidty votes barkeep(2nd vote)

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure we're doing the right thing right now with Dubb. Like the last game, someone who's vocal on Day 1 is probably not a wolf. I have a few thoughts but will wait an hour or so to post them (just a theory I have) and also post my vote.

[SnDvls]

look one more time

Post 84 - barkeep votes schmitdy
Post 85 - Ardent votes barkeep
Post 86 - saldana votes cronin
Post 87 - cronin votes RA
post 88 - king votes saldana
post 89 - no vote cast
post 90 - dubb votes cronin (2nd vote)
post 91 - no vote cast
post 92 - schmidty votes barkeep(2nd vote)


ah yes I see....helps to read top down and not bottom up....my bad. Proceed to whip me now. :)

[SnDvls]

anyhow the same could be said for Schmidyt (although I don't feel he's a wolf) as he put a 2nd vote on someone too. Just playing devil's advocate.

[Grammaticus]

Saldana is a wolf. Not voting is poor strategy for villagers in the long run, makes sense. Saldana is supporting the “no vote” route by sticking up for Blade and SnDvls for not voting. He does this because it is good for wolves in the long run for villagers to not vote

Basically what he is saying is, hey if you have a good reason not to vote, then don’t.

VOTE SALDANA

Not sure how frequently I will be checking in through the day, but I will check again later this evening, prior to the cutoff. So, if you post to me directly, I may reply later.

[Poli]

okay let's get this started.

Vote Ardent

he's laying a little too low for just a villager.Say again? I'd say "Everyone" is laying a little too low so far.

Vote SnDvls

[Raiders Army]

Saldana is a wolf.
That's a pretty bold statement to make. Can we assume that you believe he's a wolf because of the reason you cited?

[RPI-Fan]

Note: I'm not going to be anal about voting. The one requirement is that you bold it.

I prefer if you put in caps and use the person's full name. But as I said, those aren't a big deal -- the only way I won't count is if it's not bolded.

[RPI-Fan]

Also, I was thinking that the Christmas holiday might not require as much alteration of schedule as I thought. It's definitely less of a "traveling" holiday than Thanksgiving. We'll cross that bridge when we get there, though...

[Blade6119]

I'm not sure we're doing the right thing right now with Dubb. Like the last game, someone who's vocal on Day 1 is probably not a wolf. I have a few thoughts but will wait an hour or so to post them (just a theory I have) and also post my vote.

I have to say how much i agree with this statement. I dont know what theory he has, but dubb is always vocal and helpful. Hes one of the very few im not suspicious of yet.

Raiders, what ya thinking? Im interested where you take this, as so far i havent had a chance to stir everyone up yet so i dont have a good read on anyone.

[Schmidty]

I want to see more before I vote today. I'm going out for awhile, but I'll be back a little later.

[RPI-Fan]

Also: I don't have a rule where you have to re-vote at the same time you unvote.

Feel free to unvote, and then come back later in a new post to re-vote...

[dubb93]

VOTE SALDANA

Dacman is next if they don't get over this stupid shit. I've done nothing but try and help and they seem willing to tie a noose around my neck at every corner. Saldana refers to my post number 101(but doesn't include the #, b/c he is pulling a wolf move and trying to cause confusion) and tries to use it as evidence that I'm a wolf. Nothing about post 101 is anything except me defending myself and wondering why some of the people were taking my actions as wolfish yesterday.

Besides, something tells me Grammaticus knows more than he is telling us.

[Blade6119]

this could be the quietest werewolf gaMe ever, not really enough of anything to make any kind of vote on, so since he voted for me for no reason last game

VOTE ST CRONIN

I don't see us getting anywhere if I vote for a 5th person, so I will:

VOTE SALDANA

Those were two posts apart...saldana cast the first vote for the eventual lynch, and the guy that got night capped was the guy to vote for him first.....something to watch for sure..either a set up or bad wolf play

[Blade6119]

Sounds like Raiders Army ends up always being a wolf. So, if you believe in destiny, he would be a good blind guess. So the best thing to do is make him a villager with the wolfsbane, so he can protect himself on the first day. Well, since I’m new at this, I just did a randomly generated pick and it came out as:

VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

No hard feelings village buddy.

Wow, that reeks of ardent and hes from tenn too....we sure ardent doesnt have 2 board names like some of us?

Outside of that, ardent is someone who has acted odd so far this game. Both rounds so far he has voted in spite due to a vote on him. With schmidty in game and ardent didnt vote for him its off his normal play style. Just a thought, as what villager still votes off spite after day 1?

[Vince]

Hey, just checking in here for Pennywisesb. If he's been replaced or whatnot, no big deal (I don't really have time to catch up on the thread right now), but he called me today and asked me to post that he'd be back in touch about 6 or 7 PST this evening. He expeceted to be back last night, but something happened with his ride.

[RPI-Fan]

Hey, just checking in here for Pennywisesb. If he's been replaced or whatnot, no big deal (I don't really have time to catch up on the thread right now), but he called me today and asked me to post that he'd be back in touch about 6 or 7 PST this evening. He expeceted to be back last night, but something happened with his ride.

Thanks! He hasn't been replaced.

[Blade6119]

starting a bandwagon on the first day is a pretty wolfish move don't you think? No one is sure about who to vote for on the first day, so a wolf comes along and starts piling on a villager. The rest of us just want to stay alive so we figure "better him than me". "Sorry st. cronin, you know how it is... day 1 and all..." is how we rationalize it. I'm not falling for your little trap Dubb

so with that

VOTE DUBB93
dola

why else would Dubb want to be the first one to cast a second vote? weird logic

Im sorry, i for one believe spreading votes around(we already had 6 different votes at the time) is what the wolves want. We only find out roles in a lynch, thought we can assume all night kills are villagers. These two posts sound wolfish to me, as hes basically asking why anyone would want to vote for someone with a vote on them already. if we dont we dont have a lynch(tiebreaker?) and the wolves get another night. We find out far mor in close votes then everyone has 1...just absolutely the opposite of what i feel a villager would say. im still reading, but hes my new #1 after this

[Raiders Army]

I have to say how much i agree with this statement. I dont know what theory he has, but dubb is always vocal and helpful. Hes one of the very few im not suspicious of yet.

Raiders, what ya thinking? Im interested where you take this, as so far i havent had a chance to stir everyone up yet so i dont have a good read on anyone.
Well, what I was thinking as I wrote that was that Grammaticus was viewing the thread. I wanted to see if he was going to post. It took him a while, but he did it.

#1: We know the wolves are active.
#2: There are a few new players this game, so they may not be savvy to some of the "tricks" of being a wolf. After having been a wolf numerous times before, I know most of the tricks.

I was hoping that there was a new guy to the game who was a wolf and was viewing the thread but not posting. Usually the wolves don't make the first move, especially this close to the beginning of the game. That's why I don't think SnDvls (first vote) and dubb are bad guys...at least at this point.

I'm not sure who I'm going to vote for. I was going to go with Grammaticus, but now I'll probably just go for a silent individual.

[Blade6119]

Too much pontification in his part for a friday:

VOTE DUBB93

Ok, i dont know what that word means, but ya....what does that word mean? :(

[Raiders Army]

Ardent is too quiet, but at least he voted! What about these folks:

Non-voters: Blade, pennywisesb, SnDvls
I think one of these guys is a wolf as well.

SnDvls gets the bye. Blade will get a bye from me today.

VOTE PENNYWISESB

[dacman]

Ok, i dont know what that word means, but ya....what does that word mean? :(
pontification? Basically expressing your opinion like it's a fact, or something like that.

[McSweeny]

Im sorry, i for one believe spreading votes around(we already had 6 different votes at the time) is what the wolves want. We only find out roles in a lynch, thought we can assume all night kills are villagers. These two posts sound wolfish to me, as hes basically asking why anyone would want to vote for someone with a vote on them already. if we dont we dont have a lynch(tiebreaker?) and the wolves get another night. We find out far mor in close votes then everyone has 1...just absolutely the opposite of what i feel a villager would say. im still reading, but hes my new #1 after thisnope, i don't buy this at all. on the first day the wolves want to lynch a villager. spreading out the vote only increases the chance of a wolf being lynched. the wolves know who the villagers are, so they have the most to gain by NOT spreading the votes out.

[Blade6119]

Vote Dubb93.
You seem intelligent. Perhaps a little too intelligent...

VOTE dacman


Both were meaningless votes tossed on right before the deadline...trends show those have a higher percentage of being bad...not much higher, but a tad...just noting

[Raiders Army]

nope, i don't buy this at all. on the first day the wolves want to lynch a villager. spreading out the vote only increases the chance of a wolf being lynched. the wolves know who the villagers are, so they have the most to gain by NOT spreading the votes out.
Blade's right dude. What you're doing is thinking one step at a time. The wolves are thinking down the road. The votes begin to distinguish you. If we can't tell the wolves' voting patterns (which is much harder to do by spreading out the vote) then it gives them an advantage in the long run. The sacrifice of one wolf to remain anonymous is highly appealing.

Not only that, but remember they could change their votes if a wolf was being threatened.

[SnDvls]

Wow, that reeks of ardent and hes from tenn too....we sure ardent doesnt have 2 board names like some of us?

Outside of that, ardent is someone who has acted odd so far this game. Both rounds so far he has voted in spite due to a vote on him. With schmidty in game and ardent didnt vote for him its off his normal play style. Just a thought, as what villager still votes off spite after day 1?


This is why I voted for him. Usually if he's a villager he's very active, all of the sudden he throws in a vote on day one...then nothing. He throws a vote on me...then runs off again....nothing. It's not his normal "villager" role.

[Blade6119]

Saldana is a wolf. Not voting is poor strategy for villagers in the long run, makes sense. Saldana is supporting the “no vote” route by sticking up for Blade and SnDvls for not voting. He does this because it is good for wolves in the long run for villagers to not vote

Basically what he is saying is, hey if you have a good reason not to vote, then don’t.

VOTE SALDANA

Not sure how frequently I will be checking in through the day, but I will check again later this evening, prior to the cutoff. So, if you post to me directly, I may reply later.

If im to understand this post correctly, then

VOTE SALDANA

I dont need to elaborate

[Blade6119]

This is why I voted for him. Usually if he's a villager he's very active, all of the sudden he throws in a vote on day one...then nothing. He throws a vote on me...then runs off again....nothing. It's not his normal "villager" role.

Ardent is always quiet in my mind, never talks much...always short and to the point. But i know for a fact he thinks out every move he makes, which is the only reason i find it odd he has acted sooo non-chalant over the duration of this game to date.

[McSweeny]

Blade's right dude. What you're doing is thinking one step at a time. The wolves are thinking down the road. The votes begin to distinguish you. If we can't tell the wolves' voting patterns (which is much harder to do by spreading out the vote) then it gives them an advantage in the long run. The sacrifice of one wolf to remain anonymous is highly appealing.

Not only that, but remember they could change their votes if a wolf was being threatened.ok i hadn't really considered that because i always figured day 1 votes were too random to help establish any patterns.

[dubb93]

ok i hadn't really considered that because i always figured day 1 votes were too random to help establish any patterns.

Nope, another example of what I said in post 101, that people are trying to use against me, being confirmed by another experienced player :rolleyes:

[McSweeny]

Nope, another example of what I said in post 101, that people are trying to use against me, being confirmed by another experienced player :rolleyes:ok i think i missed post 101 the first time around

and i didn't even remember it was you that outed me last time around :)

[Blade6119]

nope, i don't buy this at all. on the first day the wolves want to lynch a villager. spreading out the vote only increases the chance of a wolf being lynched. the wolves know who the villagers are, so they have the most to gain by NOT spreading the votes out.
ok i hadn't really considered that because i always figured day 1 votes were too random to help establish any patterns.

ok i think i missed post 101 the first time around

and i didn't even remember it was you that outed me last time around :)

Sorry, i dont like how he at first vehemently fought back after one person called him out(while he was supporting dubb bandwagon), but as soon as another jumped on he was all agreeable and nice....by the time dubb commented he like puddy. Seems really fishy, avoiding conflict and agreeing with whoever has support at the time in question. Not how you played last time when you were a wolf, but still very odd to me

[Blade6119]

dola -

I should state I did not state

Sorry, i got a kick out of that one...now back to my never ending crusade to get either mcsweeney or saldana killed right now...

NEXT ROUND IT COULD BE YOU!!! ;)

[McSweeny]

Sorry, i dont like how he at first vehemently fought back after one person called him out(while he was supporting dubb bandwagon), but as soon as another jumped on he was all agreeable and nice....by the time dubb commented he like puddy. Seems really fishy, avoiding conflict and agreeing with whoever has support at the time in question. Not how you played last time when you were a wolf, but still very odd to mesorry if i've only played 3 games of werewolf. i know most of you have played far more than i have and have a better grasp of the finer points of the game than i do.

on day 1 i thought dubb made an weird play. you called me out on it and did a poor job explaining why dubb had NOT made a weird play. Raiders Army did a far better job explaining it, and then dubb pointed out that he had explained himself as well in an earlier post. If that progression of logic seems suspicious to you, i don't really know what else to say.

[Blade6119]

sorry if i've only played 3 games of werewolf. i know most of you have played far more than i have and have a better grasp of the finer points of the game than i do.

on day 1 i thought dubb made an weird play. you called me out on it and did a poor job explaining why dubb had NOT made a weird play. Raiders Army did a far better job explaining it, and then dubb pointed out that he had explained himself as well in an earlier post. If that progression of logic seems suspicious to you, i don't really know what else to say.

This is your 5th game(checked your post history) dating as far back as game 2, which is far before i got in(think i entered around 7-8). Either way i just think of you as a more experienced player who should know better. if you claim not to, i cant argue that fact...but i cant ignore my thoughts on the matter either. Your not new after two games, left alone 4...arguing ignorance to the ways of the game is not a sound strategy if you ask me, but hey...ill be dead soon enough as usual and ill be out of your hair

[McSweeny]

...not a sound strategy if you ask me, but hey...ill be dead soon enough as usual and ill be out of your hairbecause you know it takes sound strategy to get killed repeatedly on day one right? http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[Blade6119]

Can someone help me with a vote count? Hoops isnt around to help in that department and i have idea who has how many votes

[McSweeny]

and now that Blade is apparently done bickering with me we can get down to business

VOTE SALDANA

[Blade6119]

and now that Blade is apparently done bickering with me we can get down to business

VOTE SALDANA

Im never done...just making more observations for later when it matters. Your not on the block today so why push yet? Ill deal with the duel here, saldana and gramat

[Poli]

This is why I voted for him. Usually if he's a villager he's very active, all of the sudden he throws in a vote on day one...then nothing. He throws a vote on me...then runs off again....nothing. It's not his normal "villager" role.You've got to be kidding me. You keep mentioning your trip to Flagstaff as the reason you're not here, and throwing accusations my way? Be real, and start voting consistently, son.

I still got my vote in and I spent 13 hours on the road between Chicago and Bonne Terre MO (and back). Heaven forbid I have (gasp!) a job as well and that I don't have internet access at the moment to my computer.

Couple that with, I don't know, the fact my roommate's computer is dieing due to some SpyFighter/coolwwwsearch virus he got while I was gone, and you'll find out that I've tried to respond five friggin times just to this one post.

Give it up. I'm a villager. Go try and sell your dope somewhere else.

And you can email that Flagstaff crap to [email protected]. I'd like to see it.

[Blade6119]

And you can email that Flagstaff crap to [email protected]. I'd like to see it.

Thats getting dangerously close to a bet like the HT supporter...both of you should back off that one...Ardent, can you respond to why you have been fairly random with votes so far...i know you think it out, so im just wondering if im missing some deeper thought or something... :confused:

As for sun, penny, and i...we all said we were gone and id be very suspicious of us all. Sun and i more the penny, as were normally very active and used a reason to be quiet(if lying). Just a thought about myself as well to share around the pressure.

[Poli]

Thats getting dangerously close to a bet like the HT supporter...both of you should back off that one...Ardent, can you respond to why you have been fairly random with votes so far...i know you think it out, so im just wondering if im missing some deeper thought or something... :confused:

As for sun, penny, and i...we all said we were gone and id be very suspicious of us all. Sun and i more the penny, as were normally very active and used a reason to be quiet(if lying). Just a thought about myself as well to share around the pressure.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking as well. Proof outside the game shouldn't be allowed.

First vote: No clue, Barkeep slung a stone, I slung one at him. Short and sweet. That's why.

2nd vote: Uhm, Sndvls is voting for me, with no viable reason. Obviously, that makes me feel he has an agenda.

[Poli]

If you check my posts as well, I said I'd be travelling as well. Still got my vote in.

[Poli]

In other words, I've had no deep thoughts. Why not Grammaticus on day 1? Well, he says it was random, I tend to believe it. Day one is nothing but random fest. Besides I'd already cast my vote. Grammaticus didn't make it out that I was a wolf, either.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Sndvls is found to be a wolf.

[WVUFAN]

Grammaticus seems to know more than he's saying. I'm gonna trust him. Once.


VOTE SALDANA
See, I bolded that one. :-)

[SnDvls]

You've got to be kidding me. You keep mentioning your trip to Flagstaff as the reason you're not here, and throwing accusations my way? Be real, and start voting consistently, son.

I still got my vote in and I spent 13 hours on the road between Chicago and Bonne Terre MO (and back). Heaven forbid I have (gasp!) a job as well and that I don't have internet access at the moment to my computer.

Couple that with, I don't know, the fact my roommate's computer is dieing due to some SpyFighter/coolwwwsearch virus he got while I was gone, and you'll find out that I've tried to respond five friggin times just to this one post.

Give it up. I'm a villager. Go try and sell your dope somewhere else.

And you can email that Flagstaff crap to [email protected]. I'd like to see it.


it's quarter to 3 here now I'll be home @ 5 and send it your way.

[RPI-Fan]

it's quarter to 3 here now I'll be home @ 5 and send it your way.

Please, do us all a favor and don't.

[SnDvls]

Please, do us all a favor and don't.

fine I'll send it to you via PM, if you wish, then you can see.

I'll leave it at that per RPI's request

[RPI-Fan]

fine I'll send it to you via PM, if you wish, then you can see.

I'll leave it at that per RPI's request

Didn't mean to sound like such a jackass... but it's pretty clear that it's an unnecessary outside influence, and wanted to say that, as (essentially) an outsider looking on, how silly the debate was.

Your wife got her masters -- everyone in the game should have been congrulating you and her, not wanting to see a photo-copy of her degree!

[Poli]

Agreed. I said I wanted proof in the heat of the moment. I get a little agitated when I'm wrongfully accused. I apologize. I shouldn't have said it. I knew it immediately after I posted it, but I'm unwilling to go back and edit a post, especially at this stage. Someone could misinterpret that.

[SnDvls]

Didn't mean to sound like such a jackass... but it's pretty clear that it's an unnecessary outside influence, and wanted to say that, as (essentially) an outsider looking on, how silly the debate was.

Your wife got her masters -- everyone in the game should have been congrulating you and her, not wanting to see a photo-copy of her degree!

it didn't come across that way. I didn't intend for it to be and out or bet to clear me either, just givien you as the mod of the game a reason for my missing a vote, that is all.

ardent I'll drop it from here on out this is just a game. If you are having computer problems then that would explain your absence/lack of response to me, sorry. How were we supposed to know that? Just state it and it won't be held against you. I think we all would understand and we all have a gentlemen's agreement that bets and such won't be used anyhow.

Let's get back to hunting wolves

[Blade6119]

UNVOTE SALDANA
VOTE MCSWEENEY

Bandwagon is rolling, and since saldana is dead without defense(he said he would be gone till 9) i want it known i voted for mcsweeney....and i really dont think saldana is a wolf, but i dont know how to read gramat yet so i could be wrong

[SnDvls]

unvote ARDENT

[SnDvls]

dola -
based on the prior posts

[Poli]

it didn't come across that way. I didn't intend for it to be and out or bet to clear me either, just givien you as the mod of the game a reason for my missing a vote, that is all.

ardent I'll drop it from here on out this is just a game. If you are having computer problems then that would explain your absence/lack of response to me, sorry. How were we supposed to know that? Just state it and it won't be held against you. I think we all would understand and we all have a gentlemen's agreement that bets and such won't be used anyhow.

Let's get back to hunting wolvesThat said, I think I've finally got all the viruses out of his computer. He's buying Culver's to celebrate (though I could swindle him for Outback)! Woo!

[SnDvls]

let's assume that at least one wolf voted for St. C (as is usually par for the course)
that means that either Dubb, Saldana, or Raiders is a wolf.

so where do we go?

[Poli]

UNVOTE Sndvls.

I meant to do that earlier. I'll think about it while I'm eating and get back to you on your question.

[SnDvls]

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

might he be helping too much?
I don't want to be on either the Dubb or Saldana bandwagons even though one of the three is probally a wolf. The other 2 or 3 cast a lone vote is my guess. That is the general strat. in these games.
might I be completely wrong?
input? anyone?

[Blade6119]

let's assume that at least one wolf voted for St. C (as is usually par for the course)
that means that either Dubb, Saldana, or Raiders is a wolf.

so where do we go?

If it were saldan i figured more people would be heping him out, which leaves dubb and raiders...again on dubb, as mostly it was just me defending him...which leave raiders, who i could see being a wolf

[SnDvls]

I think we should go for one of those three, but we need to also nail a wolf too before numbers get out of control for us.

[Raiders Army]

A lot has happened. I can tell you that I'm part of the posse to lynch the wolves, so I'm legit. Remember last game? Everyone who voted for the first guy to get lynched (I've had a little beer, so forgive me) was a villager (at least I was at that time (I was cursed)), so it is within the realm of possibility that everyone who voted for st. cronin was a villager.

[Poli]

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[Raiders Army]

Interesting.

[Barkeep49]

Well I was hoping for a quick read through and then a vote. But right now I'm more hungry than able to concentrate on what I'm reading. I will have a vote later this evening after dinner.

One point though Blade: Saldanna will be back before the lynch as deadline isn't until tomorrow morning.

[Poli]

Tomorrow? Interesting. I wasn't aware of that.

[Barkeep49]

Tomorrow? Interesting. I wasn't aware of that.
It is now Day(2). Lynch votes are due by 10:30am EST on Tuesday, December 20th.

As for my original point to Blade, I'm just pointing out that I'm not 100% concerned about a bandwagon at this point as there is still so much time left. Ok I'm going to embark on my more careful read now.

[pennywisesb]

Just got back from Tahoe. I'm going to try to hurry up and catch up with the thread....

[Barkeep49]

A lot has happened. I can tell you that I'm part of the posse to lynch the wolves, so I'm legit. Remember last game? Everyone who voted for the first guy to get lynched (I've had a little beer, so forgive me) was a villager (at least I was at that time (I was cursed)), so it is within the realm of possibility that everyone who voted for st. cronin was a villager.
This post contains information I know to be false.

Vote Raiders Army

[Barkeep49]

Dola -- Not only does it contain false information it makes me sad about what I had hoped could be a great assesst for the villagers.

[Barkeep49]

Double Dola:

Vote Order:
saldana - Dubb
dacman - dubb
Grammaticus - Saldana
dubb93 saldana
Raiders Army Pennywise
McSweeny saldana
WVUFAN saldana
Blade Mcsweeny
SnDvls Raiders
Ardent Raiders
Barkeep49 Raiders

Vote Count:
Dubb - saldana, dacman
Saldana - Grammaticus, dubb, mcsweeny, wvufan
Pennywise - Raiders
McSweeny - Blade
Raiders - SnDvls, Ardent, Barkeep49

No Vote: Penny, Schmidty Taz

[pennywisesb]

Sorry that I wasn't around for the weekend. I had posted that I was going to Tahoe and was supposed to get back late last night, but we ended up staying an extra night because of a bad storm and driving home today (which is about an 8 hour drive) so I just got back. I was able to catch up on the thread, and at this point I'm leaning towards RA for pretty much the same reasons as Barkeep. So, for now, I'm going to:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[TazFTW]

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[SnDvls]

we know RA is a wolf....if not we know who is.
let's look for the other 2 or 3 now. most likely it's someone who threw out a single wasted vote or someone who piled on dubb to try and hide.

[SnDvls]

Schmidty (1): Barkeep
Barkeep (2): ardent, Schmidty
st.cronin (4): saldana, dubb, Raiders, kingfc22
Raiders Army (1): st.cronin
ardent (1): Grammaticus
dubb (3): McSweeny, dacman, WVUFAN
dacman (1): TazFTW

Non-voters: Blade, pennywisesb, SnDvls

here's the day one votes.. I guess I should also add us non-voters too, although I'd suspect at least one of us is a wolf given how long it took to get night actions yesterday.

[Barkeep49]

we know RA is a wolf....if not we know who is.
let's look for the other 2 or 3 now. most likely it's someone who threw out a single wasted vote or someone who piled on dubb to try and hide.

Who?

RA left off a very important part of the posse description. I'm not saying he isn't part of the posse, just that he didn't tell the truth when he described the posse.

[SnDvls]

I believe you Barkeep. let's leave it at that and hope the right person out there leaves you some wolf raid tonight.

[SnDvls]

dola - remember you and I were both wolves in the last game.
I see what you mean.

[Grammaticus]

On day one Saldana cast the first vote for St. Cronin. RA switched to St. Cronin and then King switched to St. Cronin. We know King was not a wolf, but RA facilitated the movement. It could be because the wolves saw Saldana was about to go down and had to act.

Then after King goes down, RA says its weird, he thought King was a wolf because he cast the swing vote for St. Cronin, when RA actually started the swing.

Then Raiders Army coyly says that all votes for the first kill in the last game were villagers. So what, this is not the last game. Why would you try to cover on your votes for this game with randomness from the last game?

Don’t take Raiders Army tonight. Take Saldana first. RA will still be around tomorrow. Saldana is a wolf and RA appears to be a wolf supporter.

[Raiders Army]

This post contains information I know to be false.

Vote Raiders Army
What false information did I give?

[Raiders Army]

Who?

RA left off a very important part of the posse description. I'm not saying he isn't part of the posse, just that he didn't tell the truth when he described the posse.
Well, I tried to indirectly let you know I was part of the posse. Yes, wolves can be part of it, but I am not a wolf.

[Grammaticus]

Dola (I think I'm using that term correctly)

Oh yeah, RA voted for King originally on day one. From what I understand King is a good villager (smart at sniffing out wolves), so they targeted the strong first, but had to switch to protect a wolf. Then went ahead and eliminated the strong villager in the night kill.

[Schmidty]

VOTE SALDANA

[Raiders Army]

On day one Saldana cast the first vote for St. Cronin. RA switched to St. Cronin and then King switched to St. Cronin. We know King was not a wolf, but RA facilitated the movement. It could be because the wolves saw Saldana was about to go down and had to act.

Then after King goes down, RA says its weird, he thought King was a wolf because he cast the swing vote for St. Cronin, when RA actually started the swing.

Then Raiders Army coyly says that all votes for the first kill in the last game were villagers. So what, this is not the last game. Why would you try to cover on your votes for this game with randomness from the last game?

Don’t take Raiders Army tonight. Take Saldana first. RA will still be around tomorrow. Saldana is a wolf and RA appears to be a wolf supporter.
Please. I started the swing? Wouldn't whoever voted second be the person who started the swing? And I didn't say it coyly. I said it outright that everyone who voted for the first lynch last game was a villager.

[Barkeep49]

Well, I tried to indirectly let you know I was part of the posse. Yes, wolves can be part of it, but I am not a wolf.
Well that's the whole thing, isn't it? You didn't really say something indirectly you kinda shouted it. Why reveal yourself to the wolves when Saldana has 4 votes and you, at the time I believe, had 1 or 2? Further, being a posse member is no promise of innocence. Why out yourself at all knowing this?

[saldana]

Those were two posts apart...saldana cast the first vote for the eventual lynch, and the guy that got night capped was the guy to vote for him first.....something to watch for sure..either a set up or bad wolf play

blade, i will answer to this first, if you read down a bit farther, King says that his vote for me was an accident, and he wanted to vote with me, not for me, and he changed it later

[Blade6119]

Well that's the whole thing, isn't it? You didn't really say something indirectly you kinda shouted it. Why reveal yourself to the wolves when Saldana has 4 votes and you, at the time I believe, had 1 or 2? Further, being a posse member is no promise of innocence. Why out yourself at all knowing this?

What the hell is is posse...should i even ask or just shut up?

[Barkeep49]

Dola: With all members voting the info is:

Vote Order:
saldana - Dubb
dacman - dubb
Grammaticus - Saldana
dubb93 saldana
Raiders Army Pennywise
McSweeny saldana
WVUFAN saldana
Blade Mcsweeny
SnDvls Raiders
Ardent Raiders
Barkeep49 Raiders
Pennywisesb Raiders
TazTFW Raiders
Schmidty saldana

Dubb - saldana, dacman
Saldana - Grammaticus, dubb, mcsweeny, wvufan, Schmidty
Pennywise - Raiders
McSweeny - Blade
Raiders - SnDvls, Ardent, Barkeep49, penny, Taz

[saldana]

On day one Saldana cast the first vote for St. Cronin. RA switched to St. Cronin and then King switched to St. Cronin. We know King was not a wolf, but RA facilitated the movement. It could be because the wolves saw Saldana was about to go down and had to act.

and i will answer to this second

I dont even understand what he is talking about...i made my random vote on day one. RA switched, then King switched, King is dead, but when in the entire day was I about to go down that i would have needed anyone to move their votes off of me?!
I dont know what you think youre playing at grammaticus, but if this is the logic that you are using to call me a wolf, you need to hang out with Mr. Spock a little more, because this doesnt make a bit of sense to me.

[saldana]

[B]hey barkeep, should penny's vote be on raiders, too....just wondering how tight my noose is right now.

[Barkeep49]

What the hell is is posse...should i even ask or just shut up?
Shutup. :)

[Barkeep49]

[B]hey barkeep, should penny's vote be on raiders, too....just wondering how tight my noose is right now.
It is. I have 5-5 right now.