He's got no secondaries and his wages are godawful but...

[FrogMan]

...when is the last time you were able to buy a magical playmaker with inadequate experience, without him being in a huge form dump, for only 2.7M U$??? :eek:

Meet the newest Dragon:


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top></TD><TD vAlign=top>Ian Thomas (15866661) http://www47.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif http://www47.hattrick.org/Common/images/warned_1.gif
25 years, solid form, healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>A nasty fellow who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has inadequate experience and weak leadership abilities.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Nationality: </TD><TD>England </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Total Skill Index (TSI): </TD><TD>258 870</TD></TR><TR><TD>Wage: </TD><TD>423 984 C$/week including 20% Bonus </TD></TR><TR><TD>Owner: </TD><TD>Cerio's Dragons FC </TD></TR><TR><TD>Warnings: </TD><TD>1 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Injuries: </TD><TD>Healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Stamina: </TD><TD>excellent </TD><TD>Goalkeeping: </TD><TD>disastrous </TD></TR><TR><TD>Playmaking: </TD><TD>magical </TD><TD>Passing: </TD><TD>wretched </TD></TR><TR><TD>Winger: </TD><TD>poor </TD><TD>Defending: </TD><TD>wretched </TD></TR><TR><TD>Scoring: </TD><TD>wretched </TD><TD>Set Pieces: </TD><TD>weak </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Yeah, as I said, double wretched in secondaries and still close to 212k U$ in wages a week, but I had 3.7M$ to spend on a new middie so I saved 1M, that's 5 weeks of wages right there, we'll see in 5 weeks ;)

Anybody got experience with magical middies? I did a quick check and I'm thinking his TSI is a bit high for somenone with so little secondaries... hrm...

FM

[Coffee Warlord]

You realize that's ALMOST the entire wage of my squad right there. :)

[FrogMan]

You realize that's ALMOST the entire wage of my squad right there. :)
it's also a hair under the current complete wage for my whole team but what the heck :)

Still not as crazy as some other dude I know, and maybe you know him, who bought a divine keeper someday :D

FM

[Icy]

Wow, double than my team wages. Will you be able to afford him? how much do you earn per 2 weeks (after playing one at home and another away)?

[FrogMan]

short answer: no I can't really afford him :D

at first, I'll pay off his wages from the money I saved on the reaplacement middie. I got enough stashed to pay his wages for 5 weeks without any revenue at all...

FM

[duckman]

My wages wouldn't even pay his salary. :eek:

[vex]

wowzers!

[Masked]

it's also a hair under the current complete wage for my whole team but what the heck :)

Still not as crazy as some other dude I know, and maybe you know him, who bought a divine keeper someday :D

FMGood luck with him. And I bought a divine keeper, but I did it in a somewhat sane manner.

[emmpee]

From that wage, he must be utopian-1. There are a lot of utopian guys on the TL with wages just a few bucks greater than your guy.

[lytic]

There is a reason that he went that low... it IS his wages.

I had a rent a winger that had $666,000 wages a week, but at least he was a starter for the China Nats Team (to help with those wages).

[Havok]

i love ya froggy... but i think your nutz for buying this guy. He'll do more damage in the long run. Go find a nice 24-26 year old mythical canadian middy with good xp. Your wages will be less then half of that. (around 80-90k)

[bbor]

So if no one buys the guy and he is bankrupting you...do you fire him?

[FrogMan]

i love ya froggy... but i think your nutz for buying this guy. He'll do more damage in the long run. Go find a nice 24-26 year old mythical canadian middy with good xp. Your wages will be less then half of that. (around 80-90k)
he won't be on the team for the long run, believe me :D

Gotta do some crazy things sometimes :cool:

FM

[tucker rocky]

So if no one buys the guy and he is bankrupting you...do you fire him?

Nah, a team in Sweden will buy him. :D

[FrogMan]

So if no one buys the guy and he is bankrupting you...do you fire him?
I'll start him at $0 if need be...

FM

[Poli]

Frogger, good buy if you can afford it. I afforded Lyon's salary while training him for a year, and I contend I could have done so for at least another year. I think you can do it if you're crafty enough about it. Just remember, Cup money is free money. Make sure the Cup runneth over. Screw league games. Make sure you keep the Cup money going. That was the key for me I believe.

[FrogMan]

well, with a deadline coming in a couple of hours, the dude has received a bid for 3.75M U$ that should leave me with about 3.22M U$ after agent fees... SWEEEEET! :D


I'll do some computing of what he cost me and will get back later...

FM

[FrogMan]

Okay, after analysis, I think I came out of this little experiment just about breakeven and maybe better... Let's take a look at it.

Thomas was on my payroll for three weeks, three weeks in which I paid him 423984C$. This is not really fair, but let's compare it to a canadian titanic playmaker that I could buy for some affordable transfer fee and whose salary is at 78240C$, that's a weekly difference of 345744, times 3 makes a loss on salary of 1.037M C$.

I paid 5.408M C$ up front for him and will receive 6.44M C$ for him, or a gain of 1.032M C$.

I'd say it's pretty close. Even better, the guy was on my team in the timespan where I play my middies on both Sundays and Wednesdays, so he's played 6 games for me in these three weeks...

I said I'm coming out of it breakeven or maybe better. The maybe better is in the sense that I used a magical, 8 stars middie in a time of need... Maybe I was lucky to get a bid on him, maybe not, but I'm pretty happy right now :)

FM

[Tellistto]

I'd say you did good, FM. I'm in the market now for a titanic+ middie, after finally selling off a middie so I can replace him. Got 4.45 mil to spend, I might be able to squeeze an ET out of that, depending on competition. I'm definitely going American whatever I buy.


Tell

[FrogMan]

I'd say you did good, FM. I'm in the market now for a titanic+ middie, after finally selling off a middie so I can replace him. Got 4.45 mil to spend, I might be able to squeeze an ET out of that, depending on competition. I'm definitely going American whatever I buy.

I'd say I got lucky to get a bid ;)

I'm not too sure you'll be able to get an ET for 4.45, especially if you go American. American players seem to be overpriced, well Canadians are too, well any non-Sveridgians are overpriced compared to them...

With the sale of Thomas, I have about that, 4.45M U$ to spend too and will try to go Titanic, or maybe ET, not caring too much if he's Canadian or not. The difference is I got the supporter money of a div II team, and the rest of my team's wage is quite under control...

FM

[Tellistto]

There was an ET American age 25 who went for less than 4.4 this week. There is one listed right aged 24 at 3.9, but of course he'll go higher than that, just depends how high. He's the first on my list, and I have 4-5 titanics listed behind him. The one I like the most will go out of my price range, and is the last one there. If I decide not to get any of these guys, I'll wait for the new crop(hopefully) after todays training.


Tell

[FrogMan]

good luck with that. I'll admit that I may not be the best source of info regarding american players ;)

I was just able to buy this fellow:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Stipo Jerin (30131594) http://www60.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif http://www60.hattrick.org/Common/images/warned_1.gif
23 years, passable form, healthy </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top colSpan=5>I speak Hrvatski!

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>A controversial person who is fiery and upright.
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Nationality: </TD><TD>Hrvatska </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Total Skill Index (TSI): </TD><TD>82 140</TD></TR><TR><TD>Wage: </TD><TD>110 496 C$/week including 20% Bonus </TD></TR><TR><TD>Owner: </TD><TD>Independiente FC </TD></TR><TR><TD>Warnings: </TD><TD>1 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Injuries: </TD><TD>Healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Stamina: </TD><TD>excellent </TD><TD>Goalkeeping: </TD><TD>disastrous </TD></TR><TR><TD>Playmaking: </TD><TD>extra-terrestrial </TD><TD>Passing: </TD><TD>poor </TD></TR><TR><TD>Winger: </TD><TD>poor </TD><TD>Defending: </TD><TD>inadequate </TD></TR><TR><TD>Scoring: </TD><TD>wretched </TD><TD>Set Pieces: </TD><TD>wretched </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
paid 8.324M C$ or about 4.15M U$ for him. Kind of happy about it, since he's fairly young at 23 and has poor exp which I can build upon for at least 2 and a half seasons so I could bring him to at least inadequate and maybe passable... The inadequate defending is also a nice plus...

FM

[FrogMan]

just fyi, here's the transfer compare on Stipo:


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Stipo Jerin (30131594) http://www60.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif http://www60.hattrick.org/Common/images/warned_1.gif
23 years, passable form, healthy </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top colSpan=5>I speak Hrvatski!

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Old transfers with similar players:
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD>ID</TD><TD>Date</TD><TD>Total Skill Index (TSI)/
Price:</TD><TD>Age</TD><TD>Form</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>27427910</TD><TD>1/6/2006</TD><TD>109 180
10 200 000 C$</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>inadequate</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>22730494</TD><TD>12/28/2005</TD><TD>97 670
10 000 000 C$</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>solid</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>22521061</TD><TD>12/26/2005</TD><TD>100 700
9 588 000 C$</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>excellent</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>22258590</TD><TD>12/19/2005</TD><TD>88 510
9 180 000 C$</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>solid</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>20414258</TD><TD>12/6/2005</TD><TD>91 690
9 500 000 C$</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>passable</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Age = 23 & Playmaking=extra-terrestrial & Stamina=excellent & Passing=poor & Defending=inadequate & Scoring<=wretched & Winger<=poor

So I'd think that he was a bargain at 8.324M C$ :)

FM

[Tellistto]

Definitely a bargain. I might scout around to see if I can find another one that might go that low. I can handle whatever wages at the moment, since mine aren't even over 100k.


Tell

[Havok]

Stipo Jerin (30131594)
23 years, passable form, healthy
I speak Hrvatski!

A controversial person who is fiery and upright.

FM



becareful with that.... fiery players cost people games quite often. I avoid them like the plague. (and tempermental)

[FrogMan]

becareful with that.... fiery players cost people games quite often. I avoid them like the plague. (and tempermental)
bah, party pooper :p

FM

[Havok]

lol.... just warning ya!

especially with middies.. he gets a red card in the first half and your screwed :)

[FrogMan]

but, he's upright, so he's a good kid, I'll trust him, for now... (that's not saying I won't want to axe his head off if what you say is happening regularly :D)

FM

[sterlingice]

It's nice because he's a low ET so wages are doable.

SI

[FrogMan]

hrm SI, is that your way of telling me, well, he's nice but not that nice, since he's only a low ET??? ;) :p

FM

[FrogMan]

btw, HAM's transfer price evaluation has him at 9.884M C$...

FM

[sterlingice]

hrm SI, is that your way of telling me, well, he's nice but not that nice, since he's only a low ET??? ;) :p

FMOn the contrary, that's the level I like them at- still affordable wages. I have one that's like ET+6 or 7 and his wages are another 50% over that. Just not very efficient- diminishing returns. The one I bought most recently was where your guy was at

SI

[Poli]

Interesting reading. I should upgrade my middies, but my wingers need the most attention. I hate sending 2.5* Tullblom out there for matches where I use a 3-5-2.

[sterlingice]

You know a naked formidable will get you a good 4 stars, cost you under $500K, and not eat up very much in wages, right?

SI

[Tellistto]

This really fits here.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Dean Varney (28720230) http://www56.hattrick.org/common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/bookmarks.asp?actionType=AddConfirm&BookmarkTypeID=2&ObjectID=28720230)
24 years, passable (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skillshort&ll=6#skillshort) form, healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>A controversial person (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=gentleness&ll=1#gentleness) who is tranquil (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=aggressiveness&ll=0#aggressiveness) and upright (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=honesty&ll=3#honesty).
Has inadequate (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=5#skill) experience and poor (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skillshort&ll=3#skillshort) leadership abilities.

Speciality: Powerful

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Nationality: </TD><TD>USA (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/menu.asp?action=changeLeagueSystem&leagueSystemID=8) </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Total Skill Index (TSI): </TD><TD>81 690</TD></TR><TR><TD>Wage: </TD><TD>44 820 US$/week </TD></TR><TR><TD>Owner: </TD><TD>Fizzle United (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=222968) </TD></TR><TR><TD>Warnings: </TD><TD>0 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Injuries: </TD><TD>Healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Stamina: </TD><TD>excellent (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=8#skill) </TD><TD>Goalkeeping: </TD><TD>disastrous (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=1#skill) </TD></TR><TR><TD>Playmaking: </TD><TD>extra-terrestrial (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=16#skill) </TD><TD>Passing: </TD><TD>wretched (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=2#skill) </TD></TR><TR><TD>Winger: </TD><TD>poor (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=3#skill) </TD><TD>Defending: </TD><TD>weak (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=4#skill) </TD></TR><TR><TD>Scoring: </TD><TD>wretched (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=2#skill) </TD><TD>Set Pieces: </TD><TD>inadequate (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=5#skill) </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


<TABLE cellSpacing=2 cellPadding=2 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top noWrap>2/3/2006</TD><TD vAlign=top> </TD><TD vAlign=top>Bought a player (http://www56.hattrick.org/common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=28720230) and paid 4 058 000 US$.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I'm not griping at all about that price. I thought he'd go slightly higher. He's a bit older at 24, but has decent experience and he's American. I do wish he had a bit more passing, but that's alright. He's a five level upgrade over the middie he's replacing, that should go a long way to helping me stay in IV.

Tell

[Tellistto]

Dola,

If my injury prone scorer ever manages to finish a game to get training(+3 and +4 in his last two games) I'll be shopping for another one, if I get another ET, it'd be a 4 level upgrade over the middie being replaced. I'm rather excited about this season now, especially since it's gone rather well so far.

Tell

[FrogMan]

very good buy imo and I see you followed my advice about experience ;) As you said yourself, a 5 level upgrade at any spot in a team is not a tiny upgrade. I also just saw that in his 9 games with his previous team, he got 6 or 6.5 stars, with no secondaries, that's a lot of midfield...

At 24, I'd say he's got about 2 seasons before he starts losing appeal to potential buyers. Until then, you could see him pop in experience at least passable and maybe even solid if you're lucky.

FM

[Tellistto]

Well, he'll be getting a bit of passing training by default, since I'll be training it at least twice a season, and perhaps three times. I have an 18yo excellent scorer who popped to excellent passing last night(trained due to rearranging trainees and having an extra). I plan to get him to formidable passing before I sell him on. So Dean may hit poor someday, won't make much difference, but it's better than wretched.

I got four passing pops last night, one even to the 17yo excellent wing/passable scoring/weak passing kid I bought to train as a ftw. I'm really liking the direction my team is going. Just wish the form of my starting trainees would rise above an average of high poor(poor/weak/weak).

Tell

[Desnudo]

...when is the last time you were able to buy a magical playmaker with inadequate experience, without him being in a huge form dump, for only 2.7M U$??? :eek:

Meet the newest Dragon:


Yeah, as I said, double wretched in secondaries and still close to 212k U$ in wages a week, but I had 3.7M$ to spend on a new middie so I saved 1M, that's 5 weeks of wages right there, we'll see in 5 weeks ;)

Anybody got experience with magical middies? I did a quick check and I'm thinking his TSI is a bit high for somenone with so little secondaries... hrm...

FM

Almost as nice as getting a magical defender for $2.4 million. ;)

Wages are much better than that though, "only" 135 216 US$/week. Of course I just flushed $400K when he got injured for 3 weeks.

[FrogMan]

And I'm back in the magical middie market :)

Meet the newest Dragon!


<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top>Joachim Bellavance (12624145) http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif
26 years, solid form, healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>A sympathetic guy who is balanced and infamous.
Has inadequate experience and weak leadership abilities.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Nationality: </TD><TD>Canada </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Total Skill Index (TSI): </TD><TD>193 790</TD></TR><TR><TD>Wage: </TD><TD>263 800 C$/week </TD></TR><TR><TD>Owner: </TD><TD>Cerio's Dragons FC </TD></TR><TR><TD>Warnings: </TD><TD>0 </TD></TR><TR><TD>Injuries: </TD><TD>Healthy </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Stamina: </TD><TD>formidable </TD><TD>Goalkeeping: </TD><TD>disastrous </TD></TR><TR><TD>Playmaking: </TD><TD>magical </TD><TD>Passing: </TD><TD>poor </TD></TR><TR><TD>Winger: </TD><TD>wretched </TD><TD>Defending: </TD><TD>poor </TD></TR><TR><TD>Scoring: </TD><TD>wretched </TD><TD>Set Pieces: </TD><TD>wretched </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
And a Canadian middie no less, no 20%!!! Wages at "only" 132k U$ pretty nifty, me happy :)
I had 2.95M U$ to spend to replace my WC middie currently on the market (not including his possible sale) and I ended up getting this dude for only 2.593M U$. The funny thing is that it's the third time he's sold since the beginning of 2006. Look at this:
Transfers for Joachim Bellavance

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>Date</TD><TD>From</TD><TD>To</TD><TD align=right>Price</TD><TD align=right>TSI then</TD></TR><TR><TD>2/21/2006</TD><TD>FC Slide (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=94125)</TD><TD>Cerio's Dragons (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=108238)</TD><TD align=right>5 186 000 C$</TD><TD align=right>193 790</TD></TR><TR><TD>2/10/2006</TD><TD>Final Fantasy VI (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=308077)</TD><TD>FC Slide (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=94125)</TD><TD align=right>6 500 000 C$</TD><TD align=right>192 350</TD></TR><TR><TD>1/24/2006</TD><TD>Futeboleno FC (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=81696)</TD><TD>Final Fantasy VI (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=308077)</TD><TD align=right>7 000 000 C$</TD><TD align=right>139 860</TD></TR><TR><TD>10/13/2004</TD><TD>xLiff (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=18048)</TD><TD>Futeboleno FC (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=81696)</TD><TD align=right>7 438 000 C$</TD><TD align=right>24 590</TD></TR><TR><TD>6/12/2003</TD><TD>Killing_fields (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=106965)</TD><TD>xLiff (http://www43.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=18048)</TD><TD align=right>40 000 C$</TD><TD align=right>160</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I'm pretty happy with this buy :)

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, and best of all, we avoided the TS hit, weehee!!! :)

FM

[Havok]

now thats more like it :)

[FrogMan]

I see you approve of the fact that he is balanced and not fiery ;)

FM

[Havok]

Heck yeah :)

he'll still miss a few games here and there for ya cause balanced guys get some yellows, but they almost never get red cards. Getting a middy red carded during a game in Div. II basically means you lose. Then he has to sit the next week so its like a double wammy.

And considering the low price you paid for him, you should considering just keeping him forever. He's got 7-8 good years left in him and eventually his wages will start droping around 30.

[FrogMan]

And considering the low price you paid for him, you should considering just keeping him forever. He's got 7-8 good years left in him and eventually his wages will start droping around 30.
interesting. I never thought about keeping a player forever but you may be right. At first I thought about unloading him at the end of the season, before he turns 27, try to get something better than what I paid for him, although if I could get him to build on his inadequate experience, he could be a Dragon for a long time and would only build on his actual best performance of 7.5 stars...

Now, I'm thinking about listing my last initial middie and try to get some money moving to maybe finish the rehaul of my midfield...

FM

[Havok]

interesting. I never thought about keeping a player forever but you may be right. At first I thought about unloading him at the end of the season, before he turns 27, try to get something better than what I paid for him, although if I could get him to build on his inadequate experience, he could be a Dragon for a long time and would only build on his actual best performance of 7.5 stars...

Now, I'm thinking about listing my last initial middie and try to get some money moving to maybe finish the rehaul of my midfield...

FM


I 'Think' im gonna keep a middy of mine forever (or sell him when he's like 32/33 or so and get something for him). He's American and he's ET+11 (basically Mythical) with weak passing. But i am training passing for another 2 1/2 seasons probally so he should hit Excellent by the time im done.

But my plans change every week so who knows what i'll do down the road :)

[Vince]

This is a somewhat appropriate thread for this...

One of my trainees, a 17yo Solid youth pull of mine from back in the day, just popped to Titanic PM. When should I sell? My original plan was to sell at Titanic and re-load, but my training program is really disorganized right now, and my midfield will take a pretty good hit if I swap him out right now (it doesn't help that middie #4 is hurt for 5 more weeks).

Nate Fitzpatrick (32069459) http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/images/bookmark_16x16.gif (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/bookmarks.asp?actionType=AddConfirm&BookmarkTypeID=2&ObjectID=32069459) http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/images/warned_1.gif 23 years, excellent (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skillshort&ll=8#skillshort) form, healthy A pleasant guy (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=gentleness&ll=2#gentleness) who is balanced (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=aggressiveness&ll=2#aggressiveness) and dishonest (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=honesty&ll=1#honesty).
Has poor (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=3#skill) experience and weak (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skillshort&ll=4#skillshort) leadership abilities.

Speciality: Technical

<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Nationality: </td> <td> USA (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/menu.asp?action=changeLeagueSystem&leagueSystemID=8) </td> </tr> <tr> <td nowrap="nowrap">Total Skill Index (TSI): </td> <td>62 800</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Wage: </td> <td> 25 440 US$/week </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Owner: </td> <td> Isla Vista Vandals (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=70384) </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Warnings: </td> <td> 1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Injuries: </td> <td> Healthy </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Stamina: </td><td>excellent (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=8#skill) </td> <td> Goalkeeping: </td><td>disastrous (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=1#skill) </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Playmaking: </td><td>titanic (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=15#skill) </td> <td> Passing: </td><td>wretched (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=2#skill) </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Winger: </td><td>poor (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=3#skill) </td> <td> Defending: </td><td>inadequate (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=5#skill) </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Scoring: </td><td>wretched (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=2#skill) </td> <td> Set Pieces: </td><td>poor (http://www50.hattrick.org/Common/gameRules.asp?find=labels&lt=skill&ll=3#skill) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
<table border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td>Career Goals: </td> <td>12 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Career Hattricks: </td> <td>0 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>League goals this season: </td> <td>1 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>Cup goals this season: </td> <td>2 </td></tr></tbody> </table>

[FrogMan]

can't help you much Vince although I think this would put you well into next season to train this fellow to ET, wouldn't it? Just an idea but why not sell him and get a young formidable/outstanding to train for a season or two, just the time for your training regimen to get back in order?

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, following the buy of that new magical middie, and the sale of long time Dragon, Hubert Gortemaker, here's how my transfer history looks like:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD align=left bgColor=#dddddd colSpan=5>Transfers last week Cerio's Dragons FC (http://www44.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?TeamID=108238)</TD><TD align=right bgColor=#dddddd>More transfers» (http://www44.hattrick.org/Common/transferHistory.asp?actionType=team&EndDate=2006-02-14 21:19:48&TeamID=108238) </TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>Date</TD><TD noWrap>Type</TD><TD noWrap>Players</TD><TD noWrap>To/From</TD><TD noWrap align=right>Price</TD><TD noWrap align=right>TSI then</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>2/21/2006</TD><TD noWrap>Bought</TD><TD noWrap>Joachim Bellavance (http://www44.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=12624145)</TD><TD noWrap>from FC Slide (http://www44.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=94125)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>5 186 000 C$</TD><TD noWrap align=right>193 790</TD></TR><TR><TD noWrap>2/19/2006</TD><TD noWrap>Sold</TD><TD noWrap>Hubert Gortemaker (http://www44.hattrick.org/Common/playerDetails.asp?playerID=12623429)</TD><TD noWrap>to The Terrions Un (http://www44.hattrick.org/Common/teamDetails.asp?teamID=546452)</TD><TD noWrap align=right>5 596 000 C$</TD><TD noWrap align=right>23 940</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Looks kinda funny doesn't it? :D

Gortemaker was a magnificent playmaker with inadequate passing and defending and solid experience and he sold for about 400k U$ more than the magical dude :) Sure, the wages are also not the same but who cares, gotta have some fun in life :)

FM

[sterlingice]

That's a beautiful buy, FM. 132K is doable, especially at your level and for a good talent who isn't super old. I like Havok's idea of just keeping him forever (unless they come out with some sort of age change to the engine where you can get good money for him later).

Vince- I haven't been shopping in a while but last I checked, you still get a decent return on ET middies, tho Titanic is better. Anything beyond ET and you're going to lose money because of wages fears so don't go past that line.

SI

[Vince]

Yeah...I think I want to sell him now at Titanic, but that would put me in danger of another qualifier, I think -- our series is tight as all hell, and my midfield (best in the series right now, I'm pretty sure) is what is keeping me comfortable with my position.

What's tough is that I don't have time in real life anymore to shop around for good trainees and such, so it makes it difficult for me to get my training regimen back in order.

[FrogMan]

That's a beautiful buy, FM. 132K is doable, especially at your level and for a good talent who isn't super old. I like Havok's idea of just keeping him forever (unless they come out with some sort of age change to the engine where you can get good money for him later).

thanks. Once his wages added to the team total and Kvarning's wages substracted from it, since he will replace Kvarning on the lineup, I come up to 827 648C$, or 413 824U$ which is just about the average wage for a division II team in Canada.

And yeah, the "keep him forever" plan is kind of growing on me, although I've never done any plans set in stone so we'll see :)

FM

[Havok]

413 824k in Div. II is actually kinda on the low end(in the USA anyway). Your doing just fine in that department.

Good buy..... now i just gotta find me a mid to high mythical(or low magical) USA player who is 23 or younger with at least weak passing and perferably a head specialist :)

i was gonna go with a goalie next, but i think i might just try to overpower my divison with midfield and offense(see The Oompa-Loompas in Divison II.4) next season. All these crazy 3-4-3 trainers in my divison are just asking to get overwelmed by my midfield ;) (that is if my best middy EVER gets out of poor form).

[FrogMan]

413 824k in Div. II is actually kinda on the low end(in the USA anyway). Your doing just fine in that department.

yeah, just checked the supporter stats, average wage in Canada II is 410k U$ and in USA II is 512k U$. An interesting difference when you consider that most of the incomes remain the same...

I've always been on the very low end of wages and this is the first time I've ever come close to the average in any level I've played. It's also the first I've dabbled in the magical, extra-terrestrial or even titanic levels of players...

If any of my two players currently on the market had had enough of a bid, I would have bought a 24yo canadian extra-terrestrial playmaker this afternoon. He went for a one bid of 3.49M U$... I'll keep on shopping.

FM

[FrogMan]

dola, good luck with your shopping Havok :)

FM

[finketr]

vince,

fwiw, i almost sold my newly titanic middie.. however, after some very long talking/chatting/im'ing with tellistto, i'm keeping him to ET, even though I'm getting relegated, anyway.