Werewolf XXII - Way of the Colt - Game over, congrats samurai!

[KWhit]

I'm leaning with kwhit as voteworthy.
Why is that?

[KWhit]

Seems that me and KWhit are the only ones that haven't completely written off Blade and Qwik as potential Ninjas.
I didn't say that, I just think that too much is assumed about that night, mainly the assumption that King is a Samurai.

It's safe to say that Blade is a Samurai due to the wire in his neck. Qwik is also pretty darn trustworthy, but I'm not 100% sure about him. King, though, I'm not sure about.

There are two possibilities as I see it:

1) If Blade was the target of the attack, then I think King is a ninja because of the ninjas' choice of kills last night.

2) If King was the target of the attack, then the King is a Samurai.

I think that the attack was probably aimed at King due to the star in his door, but I'm not sure. If that's true, then the ninjas made a mistake in not taking him out last night.

[Blade6119]

or we are dealing with some ninja that havent got alot of experience as the bad guys, and there is no evil genius (actually geniuses) like last game
That's possible, but it seems pretty obvious to me that ninjas would want to leave all the unknowns alive as long as possible so we samurai might do their dirty work for them.

While countering his point you made if for him. ;)

[kingfc22]

Ok, trying to catch up and last night sucked. My first thought was that we got no description of either path or packer, not even a mighty sword.

[Eaglesfan27]

A little color coded chart with voting patterns. I also have a few notes towards the bottom. Click on the chart to expand

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1517/voting4ta.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voting4ta.jpg)
I'm a visual learner. Nice job on the above chart :)

[kingfc22]

Oh yea, 9 PM works for me.

[Eaglesfan27]

I bet you say that to all the guys. One person I'm wondering about is Eaglesfan. Besides engaging in an antagonistic battle with you, which was way out of character for him, he really hasn't said much.
I was somewhat quiet on the first day because I was becoming enraged by Blade's antics (I don't think I was the only one.) I let my anger get the best of me the next day and I had a regrettable explosion. I've now quieted down because I was getting so enraged by Blade's antics, that it was detracting from my reasoning. I'm just trying to reason things through logically now and help my fellow Samurai. If I have a great insight, I'll be sure to share it.

[Eaglesfan27]

he was actually against me the past few days and is now agreeing with me...ive noted it but didnt really want to talk about it lol...but now that its out there, yes...hes one of my most suspected(i told you guys, i dont always accuse those who im most suspicious of)
See my above post. I was arguing with you out of anger. I'm trying not to let my anger drive the game. You've made good arguments for the most part the last day or so. That is why I've been agreeable. I find it ironic that my trying to control my emotions and help the team makes me suspicious.

[Blade6119]

See my above post. I was arguing with you out of anger. I'm trying not to let my anger drive the game. You've made good arguments for the most part the last day or so. That is why I've been agreeable. I find it ironic that my trying to control my emotions and help the team makes me suspicious.
As i stated with wednesday and others like mustang, anger on day one was a solid cover if you were a wolf...it gave anyone who wanted it a perfect reason to vote for a villager day one...just saying

[Desnudo]

See my above post. I was arguing with you out of anger. I'm trying not to let my anger drive the game. You've made good arguments for the most part the last day or so. That is why I've been agreeable. I find it ironic that my trying to control my emotions and help the team makes me suspicious.

No, it was you losing your temper that was suspicious. I just found it suprising.

[Eaglesfan27]

As i stated with wednesday and others like mustang, anger on day one was a solid cover if you were a wolf...it gave anyone who wanted it a perfect reason to vote for a villager day one...just saying
I'm just saying that you gave a lot of people reason to be angry which as I previously said muddled the waters of what could be obtained by day 1's voting patterns.

[Blade6119]

I'm just saying that you gave a lot of people reason to be angry which as I previously said muddled the waters of what could be obtained by day 1's voting patterns.
Yes and no...i wanted people to get angry and vote for me...allows betteer review in my mind then people voting randomly and spreading it out everywhere...looking back most of the fozzie voters are already clear...meaning the wolves played right into my plans

[Eaglesfan27]

No, it was you losing your temper that was suspicious. I just found it suprising.
He struck a nerve in that his behavior reminded me of someone that I'm supervising in real life. I don't wish to bring out of game stuff back into this game, but I was/am very angry with someone in real life that I supervise. I wish I could fire this person, but I can't now because of a variety of factors. Blade's behavior reminded me of that person and I transferred my feelings to Blade (although I did find his day 1 behavior [and day 2 to a lesser extent] genuinely annoying as well.)

[kingfc22]

Lastly on king we have desnudo and path...path is now dead, desnudo not...where you stand on king should lead to where you stand on desnudo...but seeing path die is quite interesting in regards to kings innocence...
Blade, I think this is the classic setup move. Make a night kill on someone that voted for another villager who only had a small amount of votes.

I think the ninjas are trying to have us spread the vote around to a lot of different suspects right now which only leads to a disaster like last game. I think we need to stick to a target or two and get some information out of a lynch vote.

[Desnudo]

He struck a nerve in that his behavior reminded me of someone that I'm supervising in real life. I don't wish to bring out of game stuff back into this game, but I was/am very angry with someone in real life that I supervise. I wish I could fire this person, but I can't now because of a variety of factors. Blade's behavior reminded me of that person and I transferred my feelings to Blade (although I did find his day 1 behavior [and day 2 to a lesser extent] genuinely annoying as well.)

That makes sense. My eyebrows raised initially because I consider you to be one of the more, if not the most, even tempered people on the board.

[Blade6119]

Blade, I think this is the classic setup move. Make a night kill on someone that voted for another villager who only had a small amount of votes.

I think the ninjas are trying to have us spread the vote around to a lot of different suspects right now which only leads to a disaster like last game. I think we need to stick to a target or two and get some information out of a lynch vote.
What i want to know, which i have yet to hear from you, is what you know of that night...qwik shared, i shared, but you didnt...i would think that is a key bit of info your not giving

[Desnudo]

Blade, I think this is the classic setup move. Make a night kill on someone that voted for another villager who only had a small amount of votes.

I think the ninjas are trying to have us spread the vote around to a lot of different suspects right now which only leads to a disaster like last game. I think we need to stick to a target or two and get some information out of a lynch vote.

I was going to post that thought last night, but decided to wait for the night kill. What I think the original plan was:

Kill King, eliminating a good player, with the added benefit of putting attention onto me and Path12. It may have been an obvious ploy, but without any other real suspects, I guarantee it would have worked.

[saldana]

i keep forgetting to post this....i have no problem with the 9cst deadline

[Blade6119]

as i leave for class

Vote Kwhit

[KWhit]

Yes and no...i wanted people to get angry and vote for me...allows betteer review in my mind then people voting randomly and spreading it out everywhere...looking back most of the fozzie voters are already clear...meaning the wolves played right into my plans
So once again, everyone that got mad at your antics is a wolf??

:rolleyes:

[kingfc22]

Ok, I am checking in before I go to work. I did not see anything last night as I was in my room. All I heard was the sound of men fighting outside. I wish I did go outside though.

I want to hear what Blade has to say about all this that is if he is not unconscious.This was my post #714. My PM from hoops told me that I did not see what happened outside my room. All I heard was the sound of men fighting. I am under the assumption that I was the target, but since you were outside my room they were not able to get to me and decided to fight you. Also the shiruken outside my room would lead me to believe that they threw that at you and since you are a highly skilled fighter were able to dodge it and that is when the fight ensued.

[kingfc22]

VOTE MUSTANG

I'm going to vote for Mustang. I think he fooled us all yesterday and some of his analysis today has been very suspect.

[Qwikshot]

I say we vote Kwhit. There has been some very suspicious arguments, especially the whole bit about implicating Blade, King or myself as ninjas. While I'm not saying it's improbable, it's about as likely as the Loch Ness Monster marrying Michael Jackson.

Mustang is close to 2nd, but I don't want a tie and I don't want a dispersal of votes...one or two contenders and go from there.

[KWhit]

I say we vote Kwhit. There has been some very suspicious arguments, especially the whole bit about implicating Blade, King or myself as ninjas.
When did I say you or Blade are ninjas? I have consistantly said that I think you and Blade are clean (I'm more sure of Blade than you, but you both are trustworthy, IMO). What I said was that King is not clear in my book and it's a mistake to automatically assume that he is.

It would be a big mistake to vote for me.

[Eaglesfan27]

The clinic this afternoon is going to be very busy for about the next 5 hours unless I have a lot of no-shows. However, I'm sure I'll catch up this evening and place my vote shortly after work.

[Mustang]

It'll be humorous after I leave and I'm found to be a Samurai who will be the patsy for the Ninja's..

[Blade6119]

It'll be humorous after I leave and I'm found to be a Samurai who will be the patsy for the Ninja's..
I find it humerous you keep talking about dying and quitting...makes me think you really want to have it happen for some reason...only one i can think of is cunning wolf

[Blade6119]

So once again, everyone that got mad at your antics is a wolf??

:rolleyes:
Far from it...but im betting 1-2 of them are...if you think about it, its the perfect cover...and with the fozzie voters all coming up clean, the king voters dying(and king himself almost) that leaves the people who voted for me...prob, 1 wolf of the three on fozzie not clear, 2 on me, and maybe rpi who was random. But you have to admit its a matter if orobabilities, and they are vastly superior with who voted for me then others now. Fight it if you will, but those are facts

[Mustang]

I'm a Samurai, I know that and the Ninja know that and they are using the suspicion against me to get someone innocent lynched. They are definitely not going to kill me tonight given the level of suspicion on me so, the course that looks to be happening is that KWhit will go and either 1.) He is a Ninja so, I'd be next because the group seems to think that he is siding with me.. 2.) KWhit is a Samurai and I'll be #1 anyways probably tomorrow...

My only way of staying in this game more than long term is hitting on a Ninja tonight, pointing him out... gotta do something to prove I'm a Samurai..

by the way.. any guess as to how many Ninjas there are total? 4?

[Blade6119]

I'm a Samurai, I know that and the Ninja know that and they are using the suspicion against me to get someone innocent lynched. They are definitely not going to kill me tonight given the level of suspicion on me so, the course that looks to be happening is that KWhit will go and either 1.) He is a Ninja so, I'd be next because the group seems to think that he is siding with me.. 2.) KWhit is a Samurai and I'll be #1 anyways probably tomorrow...

My only way of staying in this game more than long term is hitting on a Ninja tonight, pointing him out... gotta do something to prove I'm a Samurai..

by the way.. any guess as to how many Ninjas there are total? 4?
3-4...id say 3, with either a spy or turncoat out there

[Mustang]

I find it humerous you keep talking about dying and quitting...makes me think you really want to have it happen for some reason...only one i can think of is cunning wolf

Well, considering I'm on everyone's short list what am I supposed to think?

[Qwikshot]

I think the whole you'll be sorry argument is pointless...of course we'll be sorry if you are samurai, but the whole thing is...we have to figure out just who it is.

I really think we narrow it down to Kwhit and Mustang tonight.

When I get home, I will further elaborate on my concerns so as to at least assuage KWhit on my reasonings, which only seems fair.

[Blade6119]

Well, considering I'm on everyone's short list what am I supposed to think?
What everyone else supposes when they are being looked at. That they can defend themselves by presenting logic. If you are self-defeatist i personally, and prob. a few others will vote you off just on bad attitude. try and help the team, not just whine, and you may find yourelf off the block. How many votes do you have on yourself right now? Thank you

[Blade6119]

Current votes:
ALAN T-Saldana, Lathum
KWHIT-Blade, Qwikshot(though i dont know if he ever unvoted tangle, whom he voted for right after night)

[Mustang]

The is a way to get post counts in the thread correct?

Like to see if there is any correlation to Path and Packer being low down on the post count board vs voting (They probably are low down)

[Blade6119]

The is a way to get post counts in the thread correct?

Like to see if there is any correlation to Path and Packer being low down on the post count board vs voting (They probably are low down)
Both were low, yes...the only way to count is to go post by post

[Mustang]

Both were low, yes...the only way to count is to go post by post

Crap.. I forgot, just have to click on replies in the main screen...

[KWhit]

Far from it...but im betting 1-2 of them are...if you think about it, its the perfect cover...and with the fozzie voters all coming up clean, the king voters dying(and king himself almost) that leaves the people who voted for me...prob, 1 wolf of the three on fozzie not clear, 2 on me, and maybe rpi who was random. But you have to admit its a matter if orobabilities, and they are vastly superior with who voted for me then others now. Fight it if you will, but those are facts
Say what?

These are the people who voted for Fozzie:

Blade
Packerfan
Tanglewood
Qwik
Saldana
Gramm
Kingfc
Alan T

Of those, the ones that are for sure or likely clear are:
Blade, Packerfan, Qwik, and maybe Kingfc.

That leaves Tanglewood, Saldana, Gramm and Alan T. For you to say "All the Fozzie voters coming up clean" is incorrect. There are still 4 unknowns in the group that voted for Foz.


Here's the group that voted for you:

KWhit
Lathum
SirFozzie
Taz
Mr. Wednesday

Of those 1 (SirFozzie) has been proven clean. So there are 4 left in that group that are unknowns.

I think there is probably 1 wolf in each. BUT, if there are 2 wolves in either group it is likely in the group who voted for Foz because it's much more likely for the vote distribution to have been 2 out of 8 in that group than for the distribution to be 2 wolves out of 5 in the group that voted for you. My guess is that they'd want to hide their numbers better than that.

[Blade6119]

Day ones vote with analysis looking back:

Sirfozzie had myself, dubb/gramat(who i trust fully), packer(now a confirmed villager), qwik(fairly certain hes good), tyangle(i trust him)....thats a basically almost every person cleared so far...now we also have king(interesting there), alan and saldana(salanda just stared a vote against alan too)

On myself we have Kwhit(who im suspicious of right now for his part in defending mustang and leading the vote to others yesterday) Lathum who i feel is good, fozzie, taz and mr. w(both people im suspicious of, taz as a quit wolf and mr. w as a potential leader wolf).

Coder voted for mustang, and coder is somewhere in my trust field
RPI voted for qwik shot, which doesnt look good now, and RPI has been someone all game ive been watching...very possible route to take would be RPI

Lastly on king we have desnudo and path...path is now dead, desnudo not...where you stand on king should lead to where you stand on desnudo...but seeing path die is quite interesting in regards to kings innocence...

After this: King, RPI, taz/mr. w, and saldana/alan look bad...a/b means one or the other, not likely both

Alan im trusting for now as i think his vote swap was a villager as it gets
If you read that i talk about both...but having 5 clear on fozzie and one on me seems interesting, eh? That leaves 3 uncleared on fozzie, which if you read i said one is prob. bad...then 4 uncleared on me...it makes sense...and rpi is on my list...you said basically the same thing i did with the exception of tangle

[Blade6119]

I think there is probably 1 wolf in each. BUT, if there are 2 wolves in either group it is likely in the group who voted for Foz because it's much more likely for the vote distribution to have been 2 out of 8 in that group than for the distribution to be 2 wolves out of 5 in the group that voted for you. My guess is that they'd want to hide their numbers better than that.
If i was a wolf, i dont want to be in the fozzie group as once he dies(which it was clear he was going to) everyone looks at that group...id want to be on blade, who everyone had a reason to vote for, is a group, and wasnt supposed to have any attention draw to it(assuming they targeted king)...it all makes perfect sense

[KWhit]

If you read that i talk about both...but having 5 clear on fozzie and one on me seems interesting, eh? That leaves 3 uncleared on fozzie, which if you read i said one is prob. bad...then 4 uncleared on me...it makes sense...and rpi is on my list...you said basically the same thing i did with the exception of tangle
I don't follow what you're saying in this post.

[Blade6119]

I don't follow what you're saying in this post.
Read my last post and see what i said...do you still not get it?

[KWhit]

Read my last post and see what i said...do you still not get it?
Makes more sense now. But I still think there's probably one in each group.

[Blade6119]

Makes more sense now. But I still think there's probably one in each group.
So do i...thats why i copied that other post where i say there is one in the uncleared on fozzie

[Blade6119]

This was my post #714. My PM from hoops told me that I did not see what happened outside my room. All I heard was the sound of men fighting. I am under the assumption that I was the target, but since you were outside my room they were not able to get to me and decided to fight you. Also the shiruken outside my room would lead me to believe that they threw that at you and since you are a highly skilled fighter were able to dodge it and that is when the fight ensued.
I honestly have a hard time with this...I dont know if hoops would send a PM like that, just saying you heared noise...everyone heared the noise...i hate to say but i dont know if i buy that

[kingfc22]

Hoops said this game would be full of incomplete information. Just look at last night, we have no information on path or packer. I don't think he would PM me saying that I was targeted since that much information would not fit in with this game.

[Alan T]

Sorry, I have been away most of the day. If learning anything last game, I know defending myself non stop is only more likely to get me dead.

as I see it right now, a few logical patterns come out to me..

If tanglewood is a ninja, you could make a good guess either Im a samurai who made a horrible mistake or I am a ninja also.

If Lathum is a ninja, you could probably also look at Grammaticus being a ninja.

If mustang is a ninja, you could probably look closer at Kwhit.

Right now, I'm not sure if any of the people above are ninjas, and I think Blade is right about them wanting to keep us guessing at who in this group to target, thats why they didn't kill anyone in the group thats already known. They want to keep the status quo so to speak.

Some observations I am looking at, Qwikshot seems pretty confident that the ninjas were not responsible for one of the two deaths last night. I'm guessing that Qwik you are our vigillente? If so, you would know which one of the two you targeted which would help us look closer at the one the ninjas killed, to figure out if that leads us anywhere. Or was that just a guess on your part?

While I still do not have any idea if Tanglewood or Lathum are ninjas, I obviously have tied my living to hoping that Tanglewood is not a ninja. I think looking in a different direction today is probably good, and I think Blade had some good comments. for now, I will

VOTE kingfc22

[Alan T]

back a little later, I'm out at a vendor today, so web access is limited until tonight

[Mr. Wednesday]

That's possible, but it seems pretty obvious to me that ninjas would want to leave all the unknowns alive as long as possible so we samurai might do their dirty work for them. I'm not so sure about that. Some thoughts about reasons for ninjas to kill a samurai, or leave him alive:
* trusted (reason to kill)
* who he has voted for (either)
* who has voted for him (either)
* canny (reason to kill)

Known quantities may be better to leave alive because they haven't yet hit on insight into the ninjas' strategy. Unknown quantities may be better to kill because of who they've voted for (to protect someone, or to frame them) -- or who's voted for them (to frame someone).

I don't have any particular insight from applying this wisdom to the kills (or attempts) that have taken place to date. Neither Path12 nor PackerFanatic really registers with me for their votes (although it probably bears reviewing the summary above), and certainly neither of them was trusted. kingfc22 was pretty quiet on the first day, although Blade did think he was a target for his own reasons, and while Blade was certainly outspoken, he also drew enough of a lynching following that I can't imagine the ninjas would have made him the primary target; far more likely that it was kingfc22.

[KWhit]

Someone who has been flying under the radar is RPI. Day one he had the only vote on Qwikshot. He moved his vote from Blade to Qwikshot (with no reason given at all) after I and Lathum voted for Blade. At the time it seemed like Blade had momentum and could challenge SirFozzie for the vote lead. Maybe he didn't like the idea of having a vote on somebody that might get voted out.

Yesterday, RPI had the only vote on Path (with no reason given). It may be nothing, but I don't like it when someone goes out of their way to vote for people that are nowhere near the vote lead and don't give any reasoning for the vote. That, combined with how quiet he has been makes me think he could be intentionally hiding in the shadows, ninja-like.

[Mr. Wednesday]

(ooc)
Dola, I've decided in the spirit of the game to avoid drawing in references to past games in my previous analysis. I think it stands on its own without the references anyway.
(/ooc)

[Coder]

Blade was certainly outspoken, he also drew enough of a lynching following that I can't imagine the ninjas would have made him the primary target; far more likely that it was kingfc22.

They might have suspected Blade had a special role and wanted him dead so he couldn't use it.

[Coder]

dola..what time is the deadline? I'm tired as hell but I don't want to mess up a vote here.. I haven't voted yet because I want to see what a certain person does.

[Mustang]

Yesterday, RPI had the only vote on Path (with no reason given).

I had made mention of RPI. Mentioned more of me but, then threw out Path as a name... a name not even on the radar and without reason

I just have a hard time believing that the Ninja's would knock off Path making RPI the soul vote... unless thats what they think we are going to think. Just Seems like a risky move.

[hoopsguy]

Coder, I'm looking at a 9PM CST deadline - I believe that works out to 3AM for you. Sorry that these times are less than optimal for you :(

[Coder]

Coder, I'm looking at a 9PM CST deadline - I believe that works out to 3AM for you. Sorry that these times are less than optimal for you :(

Oh don't be, that's no ones fault but my own :)

I'm not a deadline voter anyway, I just like to have as many facts on the table as possible.

[kingfc22]

Okay, I am out for the night. I won't get home until 10 PM PST.

I'm going to leave my vote on mustang and hope for the best.

Alan, I hope that you change your mind about voting for me. If I was a ninja, why would I try to kill Blade? He was already taking a bunch of heat on Day 1 and probably would have been a top candidate yesterday if he wasn't attacked.

[Coder]

I'm unusually tired today, so I'll vote now. I have this thing about AlanT, but I'll follow Blade's lead. First time I do this, but here goes:

Vote KWhit

I apologize in advance that I can't make any changes near the deadline if something comes up.

[Blade6119]

Okay, I am out for the night. I won't get home until 10 PM PST.

I'm going to leave my vote on mustang and hope for the best.

Alan, I hope that you change your mind about voting for me. If I was a ninja, why would I try to kill Blade? He was already taking a bunch of heat on Day 1 and probably would have been a top candidate yesterday if he wasn't attacked.
To answer that question, as i did earlier...i was watching your house...if you were a ninja, you wouldnt have been able to go out and kill as i would have seen you...therefor you would have had to of attacked me

[Coder]

To answer that question, as i did earlier...i was watching your house...if you were a ninja, you wouldnt have been able to go out and kill as i would have seen you...therefor you would have had to of attacked me

Is that how the bodyguard role works? Sounds more like a spy-role. :)

[Blade6119]

Is that how the bodyguard role works? Sounds more like a spy-role. :)
Basically you go to someones house and stand guard...in my PM it said i set up a position with a good view and watched for any signs of movement...but id assume i was watching away from the house, at people coming to it...if he came out it might make sense why i was attacked from behind

[KWhit]

This sucks. Looks like I'm likely the one to go tonight based on people following Blade. I have been on his short list of suspicion ever since I called him on his antics on day one. Don't let his problem with me sway you guys into voting for me. I'm not a ninja and a vote for me is a big mistake.

[Coder]

This sucks. Looks like I'm likely the one to go tonight based on people following Blade. I have been on his short list of suspicion ever since I called him on his antics on day one. Don't let his problem with me sway you guys into voting for me. I'm not a ninja and a vote for me is a big mistake.

As bad as this might suck, the samurai need unity... that's one thing that was severely lacking in the HP-game among us wizards. However, seeing this trend I'm certain the ninjas will kill blade asap.

[KWhit]

As bad as this might suck, the samurai need unity... that's one thing that was severely lacking in the HP-game among us wizards. However, seeing this trend I'm certain the ninjas will kill blade asap.
Nah, they'll let him live since he's doing their work for them.

[Blade6119]

This sucks. Looks like I'm likely the one to go tonight based on people following Blade. I have been on his short list of suspicion ever since I called him on his antics on day one. Don't let his problem with me sway you guys into voting for me. I'm not a ninja and a vote for me is a big mistake.
actually you couldnt be further bro, my suspicion if you is predicated upon your support of mustang, and that support was what led people off of him to two people i feel fairly certain are villagers...that is by far the biggest reason i dont trust you..i could care less you dont/didnt like me...

[Blade6119]

Nah, they'll let him live since he's doing their work for them.
They will let me live even if im not, as some people will think thats the reason and not trust what i say...either way i would say they let me live

[Coder]

Nah, they'll let him live since he's doing their work for them.

If I were a ninja, the minute I saw people starting to follow another person's lead on the voting, I'd have him whacked. This time it might be an innocent man, but next time it might be a ninja, and if the samurai are united in their voting, the ninjas can't stop them.

[KWhit]

actually you couldnt be further bro, my suspicion if you is predicated upon your support of mustang, and that support was what led people off of him to two people i feel fairly certain are villagers...that is by far the biggest reason i dont trust you..i could care less you dont/didnt like me...
If you don't trust mustang, vote for him. My "support" of Mustang was only in a fallacy in your logic when you jumped all over him based upon statements you made where you at first said there were 2 ninjas and then you said there was only 1! You ripped him apart about his confusion when you directly led to the confusion. That's what I was pointing out.

Jeez! It's not like I said the guy was totally clean. I have no idea if he's a ninja or not.

[Blade6119]

To answer that question, as i did earlier...i was watching your house...if you were a ninja, you wouldnt have been able to go out and kill as i would have seen you...therefor you would have had to of attacked me
Anyone like that idea?

[Coder]

Anyone like that idea?

I was considering it, but how would it have happened.. on his way out to kill someone else, he noticed you and attacked you? That would explain why he "failed" (i.e. no one was killed), but how does it explain you losing your "role"?

I'm also a bit skeptical of us basically clearing 3 people in one nightaction, but I wonder how that one went down "rule-wise".

Bah.. I'm too sleepy to keep hitting refresh..

[Blade6119]

I was considering it, but how would it have happened.. on his way out to kill someone else, he noticed you and attacked you? That would explain why he "failed" (i.e. no one was killed), but how does it explain you losing your "role"?

I'm also a bit skeptical of us basically clearing 3 people in one nightaction, but I wonder how that one went down "rule-wise".

Bah.. I'm too sleepy to keep hitting refresh..
My point is i lost my role becuase i protected a ninja..thats possible...and yes, it would have been him heading out to make a kill and he comes upon me from the back...perfect time to attack

[Coder]

Are you changing your vote Blade?

[Mustang]

If you don't trust mustang, vote for him.

That's why I was confused yesterday (and today). My saying I'm dead or dying is not related to a deathwish or a desire to be removed but, more of a.. "Ok guys, if that many people like I'm a suspect I don't understand the reasoning for why you wouldn't vote for me."

I seem to be on alot of peoples lists as a suspect but, I'm getting very few votes. One reason I can see for that is that the Ninja's want to keep me around as a convenient person to pass votes on in the next few days.

If we are still off track as to a Ninja and voting for a Samurai, there is no reason to bring my name up but, it would be in their bests interests to keep my name on the backburner. I have a feeling though that if a Ninja was on the block you might see my name come up in votes fairly quickly. (I'd assume it be relatively easy to people to swap over)

[Blade6119]

Are you changing your vote Blade?
I dont know...but im still trying to understand what caused me to lose my role...and im not sure i bought king's PM story...kwhit isnt looking too hot, neither is mustang...but im trying to work through the facts

Like someone else said, everyone is getting incomplete information...i dont know all the answers, im just trying to think what makes sense for what happened and what i would have done in their shoes

[Blade6119]

That's why I was confused yesterday (and today). My saying I'm dead or dying is not related to a deathwish or a desire to be removed but, more of a.. "Ok guys, if that many people like I'm a suspect I don't understand the reasoning for why you wouldn't vote for me."

I seem to be on alot of peoples lists as a suspect but, I'm getting very few votes. One reason I can see for that is that the Ninja's want to keep me around as a convenient person to pass votes on in the next few days.

If we are still off track as to a Ninja and voting for a Samurai, there is no reason to bring my name up but, it would be in their bests interests to keep my name on the backburner. I have a feeling though that if a Ninja was on the block you might see my name come up in votes fairly quickly. (I'd assume it be relatively easy to people to swap over)
I have a lot of suspects, 6-7...i cant vote for them all...but as for your final comment i can play devils advocate and say how do we know that didnt happen yesterday with you? You were on the block, some people mention other names and your off

[Desnudo]

My point is i lost my role becuase i protected a ninja..thats possible...and yes, it would have been him heading out to make a kill and he comes upon me from the back...perfect time to attack

Then what about the one running away? This theory makes no sense. The shuriken stuck in King's door implies that he was attacked seperately. You were attacked by garrot, not by shuriken. If the ninja strangled you, who was the shuriken for?

Also, wouldn't King have picked up the shuriken if he had attacked?

I just don't see it.

[Schmidty]

As of right now, I'm sticking with my vote from yesterday:

[/B]Vote Tanglewood[B]

[Coder]

Then what about the one running away? This theory makes no sense. The shuriken stuck in King's door implies that he was attacked seperately. You were attacked by garrot, not by shuriken. If the ninja strangled you, who was the shuriken for?

Also, wouldn't King have picked up the shuriken if he had attacked?

I just don't see it.

I think Desnudo makes sense... but I can't get over that we got 3 "freebies"... there's something fishy about this.

I'll keep my vote for KWhit though, but I'm going to sleep now.

[Blade6119]

Then what about the one running away? This theory makes no sense. The shuriken stuck in King's door implies that he was attacked seperately. You were attacked by garrot, not by shuriken. If the ninja strangled you, who was the shuriken for?

Also, wouldn't King have picked up the shuriken if he had attacked?

I just don't see it.
he would have to run either becuase qwik showed up or becuase i did hurt him too(i got in some hits before he blinded me)...if he heared qwik, then he would of had to run. I was attacked by a wire on the neck, and cold steel on my face(said nothing about a certain weapon in my PM)...is it possible the shuriken in the door was what was used to cut my face?(possilby thrown while he was running away)

[Mustang]

..but as for your final comment i can play devils advocate and say how do we know that didnt happen yesterday with you?

Well, I initially voted for someone that matched the description of someone I was confused with how they voted. RPI had questions about me but went way off the beaten path with Path.. (umm.. no pun intended) I was hoping my vote for RPI would at least get a reaction out of him but, nothing almost 24 hours later (only person that reacted was you)

Only reason I switched was I thought it was in the best interest of the group. So did a few other people at the time including yourself.. I still contend that if I was a Ninja and both those guys were Samurai, I wouldn't have moved of my vote.

[Coder]

I was just hoping that someone would make his vote.. someone who I think knows something.

[Blade6119]

I think Desnudo makes sense... but I can't get over that we got 3 "freebies"... there's something fishy about this.

I'll keep my vote for KWhit though, but I'm going to sleep now.
It was highly lucky for me to be in the right place/wrong place at the right time...either way someone didnt expect me to be outside king's house...and if im not mistaken it was very lucky for qwik to come along with the options he had...in all honesty in my mind night one was just one of those times when all the stars aligned

[Blade6119]

Well, I initially voted for someone that matched the description of someone I was confused with how they voted. RPI had questions about me but went way off the beaten path with Path.. (umm.. no pun intended) I was hoping my vote for RPI would at least get a reaction out of him but, nothing almost 24 hours later (only person that reacted was you)

Only reason I switched was I thought it was in the best interest of the group. So did a few other people at the time including yourself.. I still contend that if I was a Ninja and both those guys were Samurai, I wouldn't have moved of my vote.
Not what i meant...i mean as you were the vote leader then by the end of the day you were quite safe

[Desnudo]

he would have to run either becuase qwik showed up or becuase i did hurt him too(i got in some hits before he blinded me)...if he heared qwik, then he would of had to run. I was attacked by a wire on the neck, and cold steel on my face(said nothing about a certain weapon in my PM)...is it possible the shuriken in the door was what was used to cut my face?(possilby thrown while he was running away)

Right, so how was he running away and inside his house at the same time? Or are we going to assume that no one bothered to knock on his door to see if he was home after all this happened right outside?

[Blade6119]

Right, so how was he running away and inside his house at the same time? Or are we going to assume that no one bothered to knock on his door to see if he was home after all this happened right outside?
He would have come out when everyone else did...if he attacked me he would have run back inside(change, get blood off)...while doing this qwik came to my aid, and then everyone(king included) came out and saw the scene...its possible...not saying its what happened, but explaining all options

[Mustang]

we got 3 "freebies"... there's something fishy about this.


Me too.. the conclusion was reached that Blade was a bodyguard, King was guarded and Qwik was helping. Just seems like a logical conclusion and I can't believe that all this correct information was put out there on day 1 and making 15% of the players seemingly known good guys.

[Schmidty]

As of right now, I'm sticking with my vote from yesterday:

[/B]Vote Tanglewood[B]

I'll try again

Vote Tanglewood

[Blade6119]

Me too.. the conclusion was reached that Blade was a bodyguard, King was guarded and Qwik was helping. Just seems like a logical conclusion and I can't believe that all this correct information was put out there on day 1 and making 15% of the players seemingly known good guys.
hence why im looking at king...

[Schmidty]

I'll try again

Vote Tanglewood

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maybe this is a sign

Vote Tanglewood

[hoopsguy]

Schmidty, can you come back around and vote in bold? It will make it easier for me when I'm tabulating votes later tonight. Thanks.

Edit - NM, beat me to it.

[KWhit]

hence why im looking at king...
Careful, I got votes when I did that about 3 hours ago.

[KWhit]

Schmidty, can you come back around and vote in bold? It will make it easier for me when I'm tabulating votes later tonight. Thanks.
:D

[Blade6119]

Careful, I got votes when I did that about 3 hours ago.
You got votes from me for the mustang swing...and coder becuase of me...qwik i cant account for, but 2 of the three you have recieved have nothing to do with it :rolleyes:

[Desnudo]

He would have come out when everyone else did...if he attacked me he would have run back inside(change, get blood off)...while doing this qwik came to my aid, and then everyone(king included) came out and saw the scene...its possible...not saying its what happened, but explaining all options

Right, so if he ran back inside, how did Qwik see he running away? It just doesn't work.

[KWhit]

Here's Qwik's comment about his vote for me:


Originally Posted by Qwikshot
I say we vote Kwhit. There has been some very suspicious arguments, especially the whole bit about implicating Blade, King or myself as ninjas.



And this was in response to my questioning King's innocence.

[Blade6119]

Right, so if he ran back inside, how did Qwik see he running away? It just doesn't work.
Qwik never saw the attackers if i understand correctly...he had an option to follow them(their trail id presume) or stay and help me...but qwik said when he arrived the attackers were gone

[Coder]

Right, so if he ran back inside, how did Qwik see he running away? It just doesn't work.


Why aren't I sleeping yet?!

Anyway, there's a trap here..

or whatever..

Qwik saw someone run away.. right?
One ninja used the smokebomb, right? So he wasn't seen run away!?
Conclusion, two people besides Blade and Qwik were outside?

[Grammaticus]

I like trying to root out the ninja that was probably hiding in the Fozz vote as we are further down that path than any other. My feelings are most suspicious of AlanT and Tanglewood in that group with some concern over Saldana, but I can go with another person if need be. Sounds like some of you may want to try for ninja in the Blade vote from day one. Kwhit just seems neutral to me at this point. In the Blade vote from Day 1, I am more suspicious of Lathum, Taz or Mr. Wednesday.

I also like the possibility of going with RPI, Mr Wednesday or Schmidty as the HNIC. Not sure when I will get back home and online. So for now I will stick with my guy AlanT, but will consider other options if I get back before the vote. Oh, on the dead guys, I trusted Packerfan and had no read on Path.

VOTE ALANT

[Coder]

Schmidty as the HNIC.

I still don't get what Hockey Night in Canada has to do with the Samurai.. maybe Samurai on ice? Does that make the ninjas goons?! Oh I should sleep.

[Desnudo]

Qwik never saw the attackers if i understand correctly...he had an option to follow them(their trail id presume) or stay and help me...but qwik said when he arrived the attackers were gone

That would make some sense. I understand the need to explain why you lost your ability to bodyguard.

[Coder]

Ok, disregard my trap-comment.. read Blade's explanation there with him stating that Qwik didn't see anyone run away.

[Blade6119]

That would make some sense. I understand the need to explain why you lost your ability to bodyguard.
In my mind if it was simply me guarding king when he was attacked i shouldnt have lost my power...hence why im trying to think outside the box here

[Grammaticus]

I still don't get what Hockey Night in Canada has to do with the Samurai.. maybe Samurai on ice? Does that make the ninjas goons?! Oh I should sleep.
Head Ninja In Charge

[Desnudo]

Is there any particular reason why people are saying they trusted packerfan? I didn't really catch anything one way or the other.

[KWhit]

In my mind if it was simply me guarding king when he was attacked i shouldnt have lost my power...
I'm not sure about that. In some games, when there is a successful bodyguard attempt, it "uses up" the power.

[Blade6119]

Is there any particular reason why people are saying they trusted packerfan? I didn't really catch anything one way or the other.
I think i was the only one who did say i trusted him, and it was just a vibe i had from him...his comments just felt good to me...much as im convinced dubb/gramat is good(was before the vote yesterday)

[KWhit]

Is there any particular reason why people are saying they trusted packerfan? I didn't really catch anything one way or the other.
I didn't have an opinion of him. He just sort of blended in.

[Coder]

I'm not sure about that. In some games, when there is a successful bodyguard attempt, it "uses up" the power.

FWIW. This thought actually struck me as well.

[Blade6119]

I'm not sure about that. In some games, when there is a successful bodyguard attempt, it "uses up" the power.
I cant remember a game like that, care to share an example?

[Grammaticus]

Is there any particular reason why people are saying they trusted packerfan? I didn't really catch anything one way or the other.
Mine was a feeling, not any real content. It was his first game and his posts seemed to support Samurai.

[Coder]

FWIW. This thought actually struck me as well.

Dola, but wouldn't that be specified in the role-description? Therefore Blade wouldn't be questioning it right now.

[Desnudo]

I think i was the only one who did say i trusted him, and it was just a vibe i had from him...his comments just felt good to me...much as im convinced dubb/gramat is good(was before the vote yesterday)

Gramm just mentioned it too. That's why I asked.

[Blade6119]

Gramm just mentioned it too. That's why I asked.
Ah, didnt see that...i didnt remember him saying before just now

[tanglewood]

Just caught up with today's events and unsure who I will be voting for just yet. I need to go back through a few things first.

[Blade6119]

Dola, but wouldn't that be specified in the role-description? Therefore Blade wouldn't be questioning it right now.
Although i dont really believe the idea your looking at, hoops said that there were parts of roles that only came into place in certain situations their users would not know about in advance...all i knew was i was the bodyguard and couldnt guard a person twice unless everyone in the game had been guarded

[KWhit]

I cant remember a game like that, care to share an example?
Not sure, and maybe I'm remembering it wrong cause I've never been a bodyguard.

[Blade6119]

Not sure, and maybe I'm remembering it wrong cause I've never been a bodyguard.
I dont personally remember a bodyguard role that had that...i know blessed roles are like that, one and done i mean, but i dont ever remember a bodyguard being like that

[KWhit]

I've gotta go with RPI for now. He has been far too quiet. On day one, he was the first to vote for Blade. But then he moved his vote away as soon as me and Lathum voted for him. On day two he was the only person to vote for Path. He hasn't been in on any real discussion.

It seems like he's trying very hard to fly under the radar. Too hard.

VOTE RPI-FAN

[Blade6119]

I also like the possibility of going with RPI, Mr Wednesday or Schmidty as the HNIC.
Schmidty has flown WAY under my radar...thnx for bringing him up, i didnt even know he was playing...wow

[KWhit]

Schmidty has flown WAY under my radar...thnx for bringing him up, i didnt even know he was playing...wow
I considerd him too. But his voting record didn't look as suspicious as RPI's did, IMO.

[KWhit]

So, Coder, I see you're still around.

Care to move that vote off me before you go to bed?

;)

[Eaglesfan27]

Right, so if he ran back inside, how did Qwik see he running away? It just doesn't work.
That is the main reason, I think we just got very lucky and cleared 3 guys on the first day. I don't think Hoops is rigging anything. It seems to me the stars aligned as Blade said, and we cleared 3 people. I just don't see how Qwik could have heard someone running away unless King was just an unfortunate victim that was protected by Blade.

[Blade6119]

The night explodes with the sound of steel as a battle appears to have erupted in the common area between your living spaces! There is a flash of light and a scream. The men burst out of their homes to find Blade lying in a pool of blood, badly wounded but still alive with Qwikshot standing over him. Qwikshot's manner does not appear to be threatening at this time.
As an fyi, it doesnt say it happened right in front of his house...by this description king would need to run back to his house so he could change and run back out with everyone else

[Eaglesfan27]

Ok, after I read the rest of the thread, I see someone proposed the idea of 2 attackers. That is an interesting theory. Lots of different possible scenarios to consider.

[KWhit]

Gotta run for my commute home. I'll check in later.

[Coder]

So, Coder, I see you're still around.

Care to move that vote off me before you go to bed?

;)


I sorta want to.. Blade seems to be having trouble making up his mind ;)

Unfortunately my other candidates would mean I'm not going to add anything to voting process however..

Like I've been saying, I'd like to vote for AlanT.. but at the same time it would almost be a wasted vote from what I can see right now and how the rest of the votes are shaping up.

[Desnudo]

As an fyi, it doesnt say it happened right in front of his house...by this description king would need to run back to his house so he could change and run back out with everyone else

True it happened in the common area. So why was there a shuriken stuck in King's house? If he attacked you, wouldn't the shuriken have flown somewhere else? Unless there were two attackers (one being King).

Anyway, unless the attacker comes forward, I don't think we're going to make any more progress in this area.

[Blade6119]

True it happened in the common area. So why was there a shuriken stuck in King's house? If he attacked you, wouldn't the shuriken have flown somewhere else? Unless there were two attackers (one being King).

Anyway, unless the attacker comes forward, I don't think we're going to make any more progress in this area.
Im just saying its the only scenario that currently makes sense as to why i lost my bodyguard role unless qwikshot has some kind of role disabling role

[Blade6119]

I sorta want to.. Blade seems to be having trouble making up his mind ;)

Unfortunately my other candidates would mean I'm not going to add anything to voting process however..

Like I've been saying, I'd like to vote for AlanT.. but at the same time it would almost be a wasted vote from what I can see right now and how the rest of the votes are shaping up.
Coder, do what you have to do...ill be more certain tomorrow...id say if you dont like alan vote alan

[Coder]

Unvote KWhit
Vote AlanT

Good night.

[Blade6119]

im heading out for the night...ill stay on kwhit as i dont like it, but in case i died tonight

Kwhit, Schmidty, King, Mr. w for now

[Mustang]

Although i dont really believe the idea your looking at, hoops said that there were parts of roles that only came into place in certain situations their users would not know about in advance...all i knew was i was the bodyguard and couldnt guard a person twice unless everyone in the game had been guarded

Any possibility Ninjas have a sneak attack ability where if they were guarded, they could possibly attack that person and remove the ability? (In this case, removing the eyes)

Would make an interesting anti type ability.


(Tangent.. man, that would be an interesting game. Having to pick the way someone dies.. say burning, drowning or shooting and have people with immunities to that.. You try to burn Fozzie but, he just walks away.. )

[SirFozzie]

(Tangent.. man, that would be an interesting game. Having to pick the way someone dies.. say burning, drowning or shooting and have people with immunities to that.. You try to burn Fozzie but, he just walks away.. )

Eh, what? ;) :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I'm thinking to prove that my sense of humor is still intact.. and jump the queue and run a WW game over in dynasty (not to spam the boards with WW threads :))

[Eaglesfan27]

Day 3 Tally so far:


Alan T - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Grammaticus (1348), Coder (1380)

Kwhit - Qwikshot (1205), Blade (1269)

Mustang - Kingfc22 (1272)

Kingfc22 - AlanT (1297)

Tanglewood - Schmidty (1339)

RPI-Fan - KWhit (1368)



Looks like we have quite a few undecided left. I'll post my vote within an hour (want to make and eat some dinner first.)

[Alan T]

I'm back now for most of the night I'll be checking in. Right now I see it that I lead the vote. I wish I had some better defense, other than I'll learn my lesson about tying votes this way. At the time, there were 10 people in the forum reading, and only 1 person showed visible reason not to want a tie (Grammaticus with his vote). Most everyone else seemed for it or not sure what it would buy and was asking queestions.

Since Blade was our only trusted villager at the time, I mainly was following his lead there. That said, Im not going to vote for kwhit, i don't really think he is a ninja.. and people don't seem to be jumping on my thoughts about king possibly being bad. So I'll switch my vote to someone else who I think is sliding waaaay under the radar and has other support from kwhit. This might be my undoing tonight by not voting "in self - preservation" but I don't think saving one samurai (me) by putting another samurai (kwhit) to death buys us much.

Also this way if I get voted to die, my innocense should clear Tanglewood as well hopefully. (not entirely clear him, but would make him less obviously a lynch choice.)

anyways

UNVOTE Kingfc22
VOTE RPI-fan

[Grammaticus]

Hmm, I'm not liking the fact Saldana and Lathum are the first votes on AlanT. They are on my suspicious list, right now. I did not realize they had already voted that way. I think I am going to change to Kwhit.

UNVOTE ALANT

VOTE KWHIT

Obviously, I do not want a tie, so the other votes will have to tilt the wheel.

[Grammaticus]

Wow, that is very tempting with RPI now getting votes. I really do like the idea of going for a potential HNIC. RPI fits the profile. I could switch to him. Dammit, I have to go watch LOST for the last hour of the vote cycle. I may not be able to be as engaged during that time.

[hoopsguy]

Hello, Tivo? I did that for 24 on Monday night.

Ten votes in, which leaves seven left to come - could be a wild finish here, Lost or no Lost.

[tanglewood]

I am on the fence but leaning towards RPI. I also don't like the profile of the voters for AlanT, os am reluctant to vote for him. I would perhaps have voted for Lathum again, but there seems to be no traction on him any more.

I need more pondering time. WIll check back in 10 mins or so.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok guys, have spent (at least) 45 minutes catching up on the thread.

These changing deadlines are very frustrating. I joined the game anticipating night deadlines every other night, but so far we're having them every night. So please forgive my adjustment period.

I should be caught up with a little while to go.

[Grammaticus]

Hello, Tivo? I did that for 24 on Monday night.

Ten votes in, which leaves seven left to come - could be a wild finish here, Lost or no Lost.
Yeah, I'm afraid if I get Tivo, I will watch TV all the time. As it is, I just miss most cool shows, buy them on DVD the next year and watch the whole season in a week.

[Eaglesfan27]

Like several of you, I'm suspicious of several people who have flown under the radar. I think there is likely at least one and possibly more quiet ninja stalking under our noses. However, I'm even more suspicious of Mustang. He used the "vote for me" strategy and most us seem to be giving a free pass on it. He got a vote today, and he again put up a few posts which seemed to have a kill me bent, and you'll be sorry bent to them. I think this was a smart move for him because it had already worked earlier for Dubb, and it appears to be working for him again.

In retrospect, I think Dubb was genuinely outraged and that was the source of his post for himself. However, Mustang's seem MUCH more calculated and therefore suspicious.


Therefore,

I vote Mustang

[Mustang]

Well, my time is going to be short tonight.

I think Schmidty might be flying under the radar for lack of desire to play but, not sure about RPI

I cast my vote yesterday on RPI but, after last night.. not sure why the ninjas would want to put a big red neon sign over him. Although... with 2 kills, did Chuck help us out by killing someone and pointing us to an obvious..

Granted.. a stretch but, there were 2 kills.. had to be some reason.

Or, did RPI have some ability where he could whack a player if he was killed?

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, here's my thoughts:

1. Lathum - Fairly quiet, I can sense him getting ready to answer Blade's "Lathum doesn't contribute" call-out. :) Probably Ok for now.
2. TazFTW - [i]People are calling ME shady-quiet??? Just look his way.
3. Coder - Playing a pretty strong game -- can't accuse him of being quiet, but also has done nothing to clear himself.
4. Kwhit - I get a good vibe from him -- no concerns from me on him.
5. Eaglesfan27 - Too diplomatic to think of as a ninja, yet. :) Needs to go on a watch list, but certainly should live today.
6. RPI-Fan
7. Blade6119 - Seems good, might have a "Turncoat" role, but want to keep him around for now.
8. PackerFanatic
9. Path12
10. Tanglewood - Tie-breaker fiasco makes him alright for now.
11. Mr. Wednesday - Wouldn't be a WW game with me accusing him of being suspicious, would it? :) Nevertheless, I honestly do feel he's playing a nice quiet game -- the style game I like to play when I'm a bad guy.
12. Qwikshot
13. Mustang - I get the over-aggressive clueless good guy vibe from him. Came out swinging for me, but I think he's just misguided.
14. Saldana - Definite ninja-potential here. Nothing concrete to go on for him, yet, though, so he gets a pass for now.
15. Desnudo - Makes interesting contributions, plus appears to be an Excel-graphics fiend, which I like. :) However, I think he's sharp and could do a really good job of playing us late into the game as a ninja. Watch-list him.
16. Grammaticus - Probably samurai, based on what Blade says.
17. kingfc22 -A-ok.
18. Schmidty - Not as sure about him. Using frustration at the games events as a reason to be quiet. Don't like it too much.
19. SirFozzie
20. AlanT - Starting a late bandwagon on me, a samurai, which is shady, but he has reason to do so, and it doesn't seem like that bad of a play.


Another, more refined post to follow soon.


~rpi-fan

[Grammaticus]

Well, my time is going to be short tonight.

I think Schmidty might be flying under the radar for lack of desire to play but, not sure about RPI

I cast my vote yesterday on RPI but, after last night.. not sure why the ninjas would want to put a big red neon sign over him. Although... with 2 kills, did Chuck help us out by killing someone and pointing us to an obvious..

Granted.. a stretch but, there were 2 kills.. had to be some reason.

Or, did RPI have some ability where he could whack a player if he was killed?
They got 2 kills because somebody used a pk action.

[Mustang]

My vote is leaning RPI, Qwik or King (just because I think 1 of the 3 in the beginning are a ninja but, no hard evidence to suggest which one of the group is)

I'd like to hear some other opinions on the quiet ones...

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, here's a short-list of guys who I'd consider voting for tonight:

1) TazTFW
2) Coder
3) Mustang -- This would only be from a life-saving perspective, I feel he is a samurai.
4) Schmidty
5) AlanT

[Mustang]

They got 2 kills because somebody used a pk action.

Known fact or speculation?

I'd have to imagine then that Path was possibly targeted to setup RPI for future speculation and had a kill ability. I'd have to pull RPI from consideration right now.. I might more put those guys on that are voting for him right now. Seems too easy to whack him right now.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, I'd prefer to vote Schmidty tonight, but want to preserve my self here so will go with Alan T, as he's someone I have a fair amount of suspicion (sp?) about.

VOTE ALAN T

[Schmidty]

Ok, I'd prefer to vote Schmidty tonight, but want to preserve my self here so will go with Alan T, as he's someone I have a fair amount of suspicion (sp?) about.

VOTE ALAN T

Unbelievable. I have no words right now. If you'd like to vote somebody, then be a man and vote for him instead of following someone who you have no idea what role he has. Seems wierd.

Unvote Tanglewood

Vote RPI

[kingfc22]

Home for lunch and since Mustang still has no real following, I will change my vote to my #2 suspect.

UNVOTE MUSTANG
VOTE KWHIT

I'm going to follow Blade and Qwik's lead since those are the only 2 people that I trust so far.

[RPI-Fan]

Schmidty:

WTF. I do this on Day 1 (with Mustang), and get creamed for it.

Now, I make a more "sensible" play, and you're up my ass.

[Schmidty]

Schmidty:

WTF. I do this on Day 1 (with Mustang), and get creamed for it.

Now, I make a more "sensible" play, and you're up my ass.

I like you RPI, but in this game, you are very abrasive and emotional. If you don't agree with my style this game then vote for me. I won't get into a "anger" war with you. I'll still analyze your moves this game, but I refuse to banter with you. You may have the last words for now.

[RPI-Fan]

I like you RPI, but in this game, you are very abrasive and emotional. If you don't agree with my style this game then vote for me. I won't get into a "anger" war with you. I'll still analyze your moves this game, but I refuse to banter with you. You may have the last words for now.

I just don't get where your full-blown call-out of me comes from? I give some vague reasons I'm suspicious of you, but mention that I'm not comfortable voting for you. You come back and try and rip me up.

As far as being abrasive in this game (whether that means WW in general or the ninja game specifically I know not), that was a two-time thing.

First, I called out Blade for acting like a jerk (and most people agreed with me). I have since said he's redeemed himself and like to thing the two of us are now on level ground.

Then, dubb TWICE threatened to quit the game, and I pointed out just how ridiculous that way. His kind of behavior is what will permanantly destroy the game because of short-and-long term issues. Having the option to just quit, take your ball, and go home crying should be something that simply doesn't happen. dubb was trying to incorporate it as an element of the game, and I thought he knew better than that. His moves are as damaging to the game as anything that's happened before (and note: in NO way am I referring to him looking at the PM list... I had NO issue with that... my anger was purely with his behavior re: quitting the game).

[tanglewood]

Well, I still think Lathum is ninjaish, so will place my vote on him for now, if only as a placeholder incase I miss the deadline which I may well do as I'm not sure if I can stay around much longer. However I think RPI is most definitley suspicious, as is Mustang to a certain degree. Hell, it seems everyone in this damn game is suspiciuous...

If 'm still here and anything 'interesting' happens/convincing arguments put forward I may well change this vote.

Vote Lathum

[Barkeep49]

If I was playing I'd be dead by now for reading the thread for so long without saying anything.

[KWhit]

Anybody have a vote count?

[Lathum]

aren't we past the deadline?

[Alan T]

This is what i have currently.


Alan T - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI-Fan (1399)

Kwhit - Qwikshot (1205), Blade (1269), Grammaticus (1386), Schmidty (1400), Kingfc22 (1401)

Mustang - Eaglesfan (1392)

RPI-Fan - KWhit (1368), Alan T (1385)

Lathum - tanglewood (1405)

[RPI-Fan]

Alan T - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI-Fan (1399)

Kwhit - Qwikshot (1205), Blade (1269), Gram (1386), kingfc22 (1401)

Mustang - Eaglesfan27 (1392)

RPI-Fan - KWhit (1368), Alan T (1385), Schmidty (1400)

Lathum - tanglewood (1405)



Based off of Eaglesfan27's last vote count -- simply updated his.

[Lathum]

Well, I still think Lathum is ninjaish, so will place my vote on him for now, if only as a placeholder incase I miss the deadline which I may well do as I'm not sure if I can stay around much longer. However I think RPI is most definitley suspicious, as is Mustang to a certain degree. Hell, it seems everyone in this damn game is suspiciuous...

If 'm still here and anything 'interesting' happens/convincing arguments put forward I may well change this vote.

Vote Lathum
ok,
I find this vote very questionable for 2 reasons.

One, I know I am not a ninja and that is two days in a row tanglewood has gone after me for reallyu no good reason.

Two, this is a throw away vote, seems like he is setting up to defend his voting pattern by using the argument that he voted for me in a tie one day, then just stuck with his vote.

seems suspicious to me.

[Alan T]

aren't we past the deadline?


I think I remember hoops saying 9cst, so still have 38 min left.

[RPI-Fan]

aren't we past the deadline?

I thought so too (and was partly why I felt as rushed as I did earlier... now I don't have quite the same sentiment.

But, it's 9pm CST, or 10pm EST.

[Eaglesfan27]

Anybody have a vote count?

Day 3 Tally so far:

Alan T - Saldana (1196), Lathum (1198), Coder (1380), RPI-Fan (1399)

Kwhit - Qwikshot (1205), Blade (1269), Grammaticus (1386), Kingfc22 (1401)

Mustang - Eaglesfan27 (1392)

Lathum - Tanglewood (1405)

RPI-Fan - KWhit (1368), AlanT (1385), Schmidty (1400)

[Eaglesfan27]

I guess a few people beat me to it ;)

[RPI-Fan]

That's...


Alan T: 4
KWhit: 4
RPI-Fan: 3
Mustang: 1
Lathum: 1

13 total votes, should be 17(?)...

[KWhit]

Alan, your votecount is wrong - Schmidty voted for RPI (as about 100 people already posted).

:)

[RPI-Fan]

That's...


Alan T: 4
KWhit: 4
RPI-Fan: 3
Mustang: 1
Lathum: 1

13 total votes, should be 17(?)...

Want to clarify that...

13 votes are in, there are 17 players in the game.

[Alan T]

ok,
I find this vote very questionable for 2 reasons.

One, I know I am not a ninja and that is two days in a row tanglewood has gone after me for reallyu no good reason.

Two, this is a throw away vote, seems like he is setting up to defend his voting pattern by using the argument that he voted for me in a tie one day, then just stuck with his vote.

seems suspicious to me.

I agree, at this point, I think we need to honestly be clearing up some of our loose ends. Right now there are several different groups of people that I'm not sure which one is pulling strings and which one is trying to help us.

It would be helpful to try to narrow down some of those groups rather than tossing away a vote on someone not involved. Even if it means you are voting for me, it at least adds to your voting credibility, or lack there of down the road. At this point, toss away votes seem a bit fishy to me.

[KWhit]

Oooo, it's so close!

[Mustang]

I like you RPI, but in this game, you are very abrasive and emotional. If you don't agree with my style this game then vote for me. I won't get into a "anger" war with you. I'll still analyze your moves this game, but I refuse to banter with you. You may have the last words for now.

Just to let everyone know. I did NOT hijack Schmidty's account.. :D

[RPI-Fan]

Just want to throw this out there, though I suppose it could come back to (wrongfully) bite me (& the samurai):


I think you can kind of separate me, Alan T, and Eaglesfan27. If any two of us were ninjas, I don't think we'd be posting vote totals near the last minute together.

If we find out that Eaglesfan27 or Alan T is a ninja, I think we can rule out the other. of course, you could include me in that groupin, but I'm not a ninja, so that'd be futile.

[Alan T]

Alan, your votecount is wrong - Schmidty voted for RPI (as about 100 people already posted).

:)


lol thanks, its like Im trying to get myself killed. sorry :)

[RPI-Fan]

Just want to throw this out there, though I suppose it could come back to (wrongfully) bite me (& the samurai):

...I don't think we'd be posting vote totals near the last minute...



Should read:


...I don't think we'd be all/both be posting vote totals near the last minute...

[KWhit]

I feel like it's the weekend before the Super Tuesday primaries.

"If you don't vote for me, I'll lower your taxes!"

:)

[Alan T]

Should read:


...I don't think we'd be all/both be posting vote totals near the last minute...


Im mainly just trying to help get some people voting more than anything. Especially with a vote this close, seeing who is willing to tie it up, or condemn someone to death will speak alot about their loyalties if the person ends up being a ninja or samurai. I think that will help us enlarge our circle of trust more than people abstaining or throwing away votes.

Thats all I am trying to say moreso than calling individuals out. It adds suspicion to those who jump on near the end to help lynch a fellow villager. and helps us narrow down who to target soon.

[TazFTW]

That's...


Alan T: 4
KWhit: 4
RPI-Fan: 3
Mustang: 1
Lathum: 1

13 total votes, should be 17(?)...
Hmm, I don't want a repeat of the previous day (a tie vote).

VOTE KWHIT

I don't have a strong feeling on either of the two leading candidates and there's no way I vote RPI to cause a three-way tie. I choose Kwhit because the only confirmed samurai is voting for him (blade) and a likely samurai is also with him (Qwik).

[Alan T]

I feel like it's the weekend before the Super Tuesday primaries.

"If you don't vote for me, I'll lower your taxes!"

:)


Read my lips.. "no new taxes!"

[Desnudo]

That's...


Alan T: 4
KWhit: 4
RPI-Fan: 3
Mustang: 1
Lathum: 1

13 total votes, should be 17(?)...

So it looks like Alan T or KWhit is the choice. Can we all please make sure not to have a tie tonight?

[RPI-Fan]

Just a quick update:

KWhit: 5
Alan: 4
RPI: 3
Mustang: 1
Lathum: 1


...missing 3 votes... don't have names -- can anyone help out?

[KWhit]

Well crap. Guys, I am 100% samurai.

I don't know how to prove it to you so that you can see the truth, but look at the voting record, remember the points I have made during the game to try to help. Ninjas try to fly more under the radar than I have been this game.

[Desnudo]

Well Taz' vote makes it easy for me:

Vote KWhit

I'm not sold on him, but I'm not sold on Alan T either. It won't suprise me if they both turn out to be villagers, but I'll go with the group I trust more at this point.

[Eaglesfan27]

I agree that throw away votes are wasteful at this point. I was truly hoping that people would come around to my viewpoint, but I realize that isn't happening today. Yesterday, I thought our top two candidates were both Samurai and there was no reason to switch my vote. Today I think one of them is probably a ninja. I'm just trying to decide which 3 of the main "candidates" I should vote for..

Re-reading a few things, but I'll re-vote in a few minutes.

[Alan T]

Just a quick update:

KWhit: 5
Alan: 4
RPI: 3
Mustang: 1
Lathum: 1


...missing 3 votes... don't have names -- can anyone help out?


I think I have mr.wednesday, mustang and desnudo missing, unless i missed one

[RPI-Fan]

Is it Mr. W, Mustang, and Desnudo that we're missing???

[KWhit]

The bandwagon is killing me.

[Mustang]

Is it Mr. W, Mustang, and Desnudo that we're missing???

Yes, I'm mulling.

[RPI-Fan]

I think Alan T is far more likely to be bad than KWhit (though both voted for me).

[Mustang]

Something just isn't sticking with me right after 2 odd voting days. I'm surprised AlanT's name came in and surprised yesterday.

Vote RPI

[Desnudo]

The bandwagon is killing me.

It's not really a bandwagon, it's making sure there isn't a tie again. Although I don't think anyone is foolish enough to attempt that this time.

[RPI-Fan]

Oh man, I can see the big switch coming.

I don't know what Mustang has against me. I spared him yesterday because despite not liking his play, I want to do what's best for the samurai. I also follow his advice and make a 'sensible' vote today.

And what does he do? Comes out firing at me.

What am I really supposed to do, here?

[Mustang]

Assume we will find out in a bit but.. gotta run and eat.

[Eaglesfan27]

I trust Blade and I trust Desnudo (just a gut thing with Desnudo), plus one or two things I've read make me somewhat suspicious of KWhit.

Therefore,

I unvote Mustang

I vote Kwhit

[KWhit]

Doesn't look good for me now. But a vote for me is a big mistake - worse than a tie.

[Desnudo]

Doesn't look good for me now. But a vote for me is a big mistake - worse than a tie.

We've got 15 minutes, you've got to share more than that.

[KWhit]

Well that about seals it. Sigh.

What to tell... Hmmm.....

[Lathum]

Doesn't look good for me now. But a vote for me is a big mistake - worse than a tie.
elaborate?

[RPI-Fan]

I don't know what to make of this, but early in the game KWhit came out (much like me) angrily at Blade for his jerk attitude (which IMO has since been cleaned up quite nicely). I don't know if it's good/bad/nothing, but I do know that it's something that stood out for me.

[KWhit]

Either way I'm dead meat.

[KWhit]

UNVOTE RPI
VOTE ALAN T

[Desnudo]

That's not very helpful. If you do a role reveal at least we can possibly do something about it and take a shot at Alan T. Even if that guarantees you dieing tonight, it's better than us losing a definite villager now and one tonight as well.

[RPI-Fan]

I don't know what to make of this, but early in the game KWhit came out (much like me) angrily at Blade for his jerk attitude (which IMO has since been cleaned up quite nicely). I don't know if it's good/bad/nothing, but I do know that it's something that stood out for me.

The more I think about it, the cleaner I think this makes KWhit.

I know I wouldn't come out swinging like me & KWhit did if I were a ninja, so I think KWhit is 100% good here (and probably has a positive role for us).

On the other hand, I see nothing at all that clears Alan T.

[KWhit]

That's not very helpful. If you do a role reveal at least we can possibly do something about it and take a shot at Alan T. Even if that guarantees you dieing tonight, it's better than us losing a definite villager now and one tonight as well.
Not for me it doesn't.

:p

[Desnudo]

If you were a samurai it would, unless all you care about is staying alive, in which case, I think I'll leave vote as it is.

[Lathum]

I don't know what to make of this, but early in the game KWhit came out (much like me) angrily at Blade for his jerk attitude (which IMO has since been cleaned up quite nicely). I don't know if it's good/bad/nothing, but I do know that it's something that stood out for me.
I'm not really sure why this stands out to you since you did the same thing?

[KWhit]

The more I think about it, the cleaner I think this makes KWhit.

I know I wouldn't come out swinging like me & KWhit did if I were a ninja, so I think KWhit is 100% good here (and probably has a positive role for us).

Yeah, Blade's gambit worked in getting some heat on me. And he led the charge against me today. The way many of you guys have blindly followed him this game hasn't helped you.

[RPI-Fan]

I'm not really sure why this stands out to you since you did the same thing?

If I were a ninja I wouldn't have been so agressive against Blade. I'm assuming the same line-of-thought would go for KWhit.

I really think KWhit is good, here.

[Eaglesfan27]

If you were a samurai it would, unless all you care about is staying alive, in which case, I think I'll leave vote as it is.
I agree. A role reveal could change my mind, but this does nothing to change my mind.

[Mustang]

Hmm.. I'm sitting here eating and just realized something, anyone defending KWhit? Normally you see people at least putting up some cross argument. I mean, hell.. even I got some argument against. If he is a Ninja, sure won't bring people out to argue for him..

Me thinks my RPI-Fan vote is misplaced for now

Unvote RPI
Vote KWhit

[tanglewood]

I though that some people mught accuse me of 'hiding' by voting for one of the non-frontrunners, but I think that Lathum is more likely a ninja than any of those up on the block. But, if I have to chose someone to vote for of those 'in the lead' then KWhit is my choice, partly because of those voting for him at present (notably Blade and Eaglesfan).

Unvote Lathum
Vote KWhit

[Alan T]

Yeah, Blade's gambit worked in getting some heat on me. And he led the charge against me today. The way many of you guys have blindly followed him this game hasn't helped you.


I guess the reason i followed him yesterday was he in my mind is the only cleared villager alive. As you see now, that got me in trouble yesterday though. :)

[Mustang]

Looks like I spoke too soon.. the other person I voted for is making a cross argument for KWhit.

[KWhit]

FYI:

Coder is a samurai. For sure.
Desnudo... unknown, but leaning toward Samurai.

[tanglewood]

If you were a samurai it would, unless all you care about is staying alive, in which case, I think I'll leave vote as it is.

I agree with this.

If you have a role KWhit, it would be best to come clean now.

[KWhit]

FYI:

Coder is a samurai. For sure.
Desnudo... unknown, but leaning toward Samurai.
Says the seer.

[Desnudo]

Yeah, Blade's gambit worked in getting some heat on me. And he led the charge against me today. The way many of you guys have blindly followed him this game hasn't helped you.

Don't you mean us, as a group of samurai? It's pretty obvious that the role you are implying is seer, or something of that level, so I find your reluctance to help us out disapointing.

[Desnudo]

Unvote Kwhit

Vote Alan T

[RPI-Fan]

Want to put this on the table, for better or worse:

I wholly feel KWhit is good. If I'm wrong, I'll have my head on the block tomorrow (hell, if I don't I might be on the block). But, I'm willing to stand behind my thoughts where I feel moderately confident in them.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yeesh, gotta act quicker than I'd like.

I don't really have much of a feel on either of these guys.

Vote Alan T

[tanglewood]

Unvote KWhit

Vote RPI-Fan

Edit: I thought Coder and Desnudo were pretty clean already, so I can see KWhit being seer. Wasn't that strong on KWhit, mainly cause of Blade voting for him as noted above.

[Alan T]

Don't you mean us, as a group of samurai? It's pretty obvious that the role you are implying is seer, or something of that level, so I find your reluctance to help us out disapointing.


Im guessing without a bodyguard, a seer is figuring hes dead either during the day or night, thus is reluctance.

[KWhit]

Don't you mean us, as a group of samurai? It's pretty obvious that the role you are implying is seer, or something of that level, so I find your reluctance to help us out disapointing.
No I mean indviduals who have been taking everything he says as Gospel when I haven't been able to follow half of his ideas. His besmirching of Mustang yesterday was laughable and I was the only one to call him on it. I don't think he's a ninja, but his arguments are flawed a lot of the time.

[KWhit]

Im guessing without a bodyguard, a seer is figuring hes dead either during the day or night, thus is reluctance.
You got it.

[Desnudo]

Yes, but he's dead now anyway, if you look at the overall probability, it gives the samurai a better chance with a random - Alan T, than a known.

[Eaglesfan27]

Ok, I believe Kwhit is the seer. I hope I'm right. I wish I had time to tally everything.


Therefore,

I unvote Kwhit

I vote RPI-Fan

[RPI-Fan]

Unvote KWhit

Vote RPI-Fan

K, so let's get this clear.

I'm the ONLY one to stand up for KWhit, who you're essentially calling good by un-voting him.

So who do you vote for? The one guy who backs him.

:rolleyes:

Moreover, with no explanation.

[Alan T]

bleh, out of self-preservernce

UNVOTE RPI-FAN
VOTE Kwhit

[Desnudo]

Umm, it's Alan T or it doesn't help.

[RPI-Fan]

Ok, I believe Kwhit is the seer. I hope I'm right. I wish I had time to tally everything.


Therefore,

I unvote Kwhit

I vote RPI-Fan

WTF?!?!!!?!? How does this make any sesne?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Desnudo]

Ok, I believe Kwhit is the seer. I hope I'm right. I wish I had time to tally everything.


Therefore,

I unvote Kwhit

I vote RPI-Fan

That's a really strange move.

[TazFTW]

UNVOTE KWHIT

VOTE ALAN T

[Mr. Wednesday]

Wow, I should have read quicker. Clearly, I done right in not voting KWhit.

[Eaglesfan27]

I was more concerned about getting the vote in then explaining it. However, my reason is that until you were called out for flying under the radar, you were very quiet. Then, you suddenly spoke up. That makes me suspicious of you.

[TazFTW]

ack was that too late?

[hoopsguy]

Taz, vote is in after the deadline.

Putting together the writeup now ...

[RPI-Fan]

Jeez, I'm starting to know what Blade has felt like in past games.

Your guys deadline votes made NO sense, whether or not me/KWhit/Alan T are good/bad.

:mad:

[KWhit]

That was a train wreck.

:)

[Eaglesfan27]

WTF?!?!!!?!? How does this make any sesne?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why was it strange? I didn't think I tied it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Yeah, well, I was dead tired when I left work, so I took a little nap. I hadn't gotten a vote in yet, and with one thing leading to another I wound up catching up with literally about two minutes to spare.

[Lathum]

I though that some people mught accuse me of 'hiding' by voting for one of the non-frontrunners, but I think that Lathum is more likely a ninja than any of those up on the block. But, if I have to chose someone to vote for of those 'in the lead' then KWhit is my choice, partly because of those voting for him at present (notably Blade and Eaglesfan).

Unvote Lathum
Vote KWhit
ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!

after I call you out on your strategy you suddenly feel the need to change your vote so it doesn't appear you are hiding.

Am I the only one who smells a load of crap here?

[RPI-Fan]

I was more concerned about getting the vote in then explaining it. However, my reason is that until you were called out for flying under the radar, you were very quiet. Then, you suddenly spoke up. That makes me suspicious of you.


Yea', all I did was:

1) Defend someone who currently had a vote for me
2) Defend someone who turns out is most likely the seer.

I can't believe your's and tanglewood's votes. F'in silly.

[saldana]

Why was it strange? I didn't think I tied it.

great, that way we learn nothing again

[Desnudo]

I was more concerned about getting the vote in then explaining it. However, my reason is that until you were called out for flying under the radar, you were very quiet. Then, you suddenly spoke up. That makes me suspicious of you.

That is nonsensical in the context of what just happened. I'm not trying to be insulting, the only way it makes sense if you wanted to save Alan T.

[KWhit]

Before I die... I viewed Coder - good.

I viewed Desnudo and I saw an incomplete picture. He seemed sad and it seemed like he was planning something. That is all.

[Eaglesfan27]

If I miscounted, I'm really sorry guys. My wife was blabbing in my ear, but I thought I counted right and there was no tie.

[RPI-Fan]

Why was it strange? I didn't think I tied it.

I was totally lost on the exact #'s after the last vote official vote count (mine & your's about 9:30pm EST).

HOWEVER, I know that I had ABOUT 5, and KWhit had ABOUT 5, Alan T had ABOUT 5.

I just don't see how you justify making that specific switch.

[TazFTW]

Taz, vote is in after the deadline.

Putting together the writeup now ...
*sigh* That's what I get for answering an FM question.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yea', all I did was:

1) Defend someone who currently had a vote for me
2) Defend someone who turns out is most likely the seer.

I can't believe your's and tanglewood's votes. F'in silly.
You suddenly spoke up out of self-preservation. That makes me more suspicious of you.

[saldana]

i would love to hear all the explanations from the people that stayed on Kwhit after he said he was the seer, and especially from Alan, who changed TO Kwhit after he revealed his role...self preservation or not, that has gotta make some eyebrows arch

[Mr. Wednesday]

Well, sudden or not, it's hard to blame anyone for speaking up out of self-preservation. He's supposed to just sit there and get lynched? I mean, I know that getting yourself killed by Chuck Norris is a great honor and all, but it's still a little extreme.