WW XXIV: Treasure Hunt (GAME OVER!)

[Blade6119]

I hope this doesn't mean that you eliminated the other half of the government? :eek:
Not on day one...but if i keep reading your play the way i am i may start pushing for it soon... :rolleyes:

[hoopsguy]

Technically, I'm not sure that a treasure hunter can push for a death during a day cycle - at least not with any meaning attached to it. A pirate on the other hand ...

Should I take this to mean that you are against any kind of coordinated day actions? I didn't see you comment on this in the thread as of yet.

[Blade6119]

Technically, I'm not sure that a treasure hunter can push for a death during a day cycle - at least not with any meaning attached to it. A pirate on the other hand ...

Should I take this to mean that you are against any kind of coordinated day actions? I didn't see you comment on this in the thread as of yet.
I actually did long before anyone else...ask alan, it was he and i who orginally discussed ideas. I dont like the pair idea, makes it too easy on the wolves. As i stated, i think the biggest advantage we have is they have to find us before they can kill us. Advertising where we are going is like asking to be shot up...i just dont like you asking for a strategy i see quite a few holes in. Now, granted, i have many suspicions on many players right now...im just picking and choosing where to add them

[saldana]

BARKEEP: when you refer to 'turns' in the rules, does that mean the same as cycles(morning/afternoon/nihg), or is a 'turn' equal to one game hour/AP spent?

[Barkeep49]

All PMs have been sent and the Morning Cycle is over. I will be starting the Morning cycle in the morning around 9 AM or so Eastern. If you want to start to vote now that's fine, though I'm leaving it the afternoon phase.

Here's the public info you all need to know:

Authorities on Blahoop were stunned, just stunned, to find one of the newly arrived treasure hunters, SnDvls, dead today around map coordinate B6.

"We're sure it's just a coincidence. Probabally died of a heart attack or something," the chief of police stated. He says that the large wound, resembling that of a knife, in the back is what likely triggered the heart attack.

The Chief said that the matter will be investigated and that just in case it was murder they will find someone to jail for the heinous crime. "But don't worry. We'll make it a treasure hunter. Couldn't have been a Blahoopian. No sir," the chief said to reassure residents.

[Barkeep49]

BARKEEP: when you refer to 'turns' in the rules, does that mean the same as cycles(morning/afternoon/nihg), or is a 'turn' equal to one game hour/AP spent?
There are generally 5 turns to each Morning Cycle. AP is generally spent at 1 AP per turn, though some traits and actions, such as Fleet of Foot or stalking, changes that.

[hoopsguy]

Blade - help me come up with a better strategy ... that is why I initially posted this. I wasn't able to just snap my fingers and come up with a solution that breaks the game wide open but I think this avenue (if done correctly) presents some different/harder challenges for the pirates than hunting us down one by one.

It is easy enough for us to all play separately. And if we go that route then I'll just keep looking for gold on my own and try to get a monopoly going. But I'm also worried about wasting turns trying to elude pirates with little benefit if/when they come to kill me. In the group plan we hopefully have some kind of information when someone is killed - who broke from their group, who didn't do what they said they would during watch, etc.

It is a long way from perfect. But I would rather have you helping me put together a better plan than saying I'm a pirate for suggesting this. Conversely, I'm not intimating that anyone who opposes my plan is a pirate. But I do think that it is short-sighted to think that a lack of coordination is our best defense.

[Blade6119]

Sndvls? I thought hoops or myself, and if not then someone like penny or taz...this kill reeks of the gramat kill last game, which scares me as i have no idea how to read it...anyone think they know who would target sndvls first?

[TazFTW]

The pirates.

[Blade6119]

lol smartass...i mean individuals...who they pick on night 1 can be a huge clue

[Alan T]

Sndvls? I thought hoops or myself, and if not then someone like penny or taz...this kill reeks of the gramat kill last game, which scares me as i have no idea how to read it...anyone think they know who would target sndvls first?

Either someone with a grudge with him from a previous game, or if say the top choices for pirate kill were actually pirates, they would possibly then resort to the next best choice :)

[Blade6119]

Either someone with a grudge with him from a previous game, or if say the top choices for pirate kill were actually pirates, they would possibly then resort to the next best choice :)
Then explain again why you killed gramat? You said you considered hoops and i, mostly hoops, but didnt kill either...we weren't pirates(since you implied i might be a swurvey pirate there).

I think your reasoning might be key in decoding todays kill

[TazFTW]

Even though Barkeep said we could begin voting, I'll be waiting until the evening cycle begins because I would like to know who camped out.

[hoopsguy]

SnDvls played a very solid game last time around. Probably someone took notice of this - repeat wolves? Would be pretty insane for either Alan T or King to be wolves for three straight games.

I agree that there is not much to read from this kill. But I'm not sure that the pirates have as much say in their kills in this game as they would in others ... don't they need to be in the same square as someone to complete the kill?

If anyone saw anything that could help with this it would be appreciated. Anyone want to admit to being in space B6 at any point yesterday. Figure he got in two movements to get there, maybe a dig along the way, so he was not killed in turn #1 or turn #2 (assuming that he would complete turn 2 to enter B6).

From Post #1 (Rules)
Watch: You will watch a person. That person must be in the same square as you when you use it. You will learn what that person does that turn
Barkeep, I'm assuming that a watch action on either SnDvls or on the pirate/killer during the kill turn would be able to act as a witness, correct? That by seeing SnDvls die during his turn that you would also see the killer?

[saldana]

i think it is more amusing that the person with with biggest grudge against Sun from last game would be Alan.

[Barkeep49]

Even though Barkeep said we could begin voting, I'll be waiting until the evening cycle begins because I would like to know who camped out.
All members returned to camp.

[Alan T]

i think it is more amusing that the person with with biggest grudge against Sun from last game would be Alan.

Hey, I was just answering questions to the best of my abilitys :) I'm not a pirate I fear, I am far too good looking for a pirate :) I actually dug for gold today without my shirt on even!

[Desnudo]

Then explain again why you killed gramat? You said you considered hoops and i, mostly hoops, but didnt kill either...we were pirates(since you implied i might be a swurvey pirate there).

I think your reasoning might be key in decoding todays kill

We didn't kill you or hoops since we figured you two were the most likely to be protected on night 1. It also had the additional possibility of making people suspicious of you both. That was negated with your role reveal and Hoops survivor link up, but that was the strategy.

[hoopsguy]

I would like to know who camped out
I did not end up camping out - decided that I wanted to get an item that could help me have more action points if I'm going to a remote area of the map. With this as a one-time option I want to have the best opportunity to max it out.

[Blade6119]

We didn't kill you or hoops since we figured you two were the most likely to be protected on night 1. It also had the additional possibility of making people suspicious of you both. That was negated with your role reveal and Hoops survivor link up, but that was the strategy.
Interesting...solid logic...and despite all of it, i the assasin picked mckerney and he was protected...irony? ;)

[Alan T]

Then explain again why you killed gramat? You said you considered hoops and i, mostly hoops, but didnt kill either...we weren't pirates(since you implied i might be a swurvey pirate there).

I think your reasoning might be key in decoding todays kill


Well last game was a little different than the start here as last game there was plenty of discussion and a lynch vote before the night kill. So the choice of the night kill was actually based on things that had happened that game (or in the case of Grammaticus, someone totally off the train of thought to throw people for a loop.

Here we did not have a prior jailing, nor any substantial discussion other than the talk about to partner up or to not partner up, so this kill likely is not based on something that happened this game.

My belief is the kill was based on either someone being afraid of his potential ability, or as a retaliation for something else in the past (fun loving retaliation in the spirit of the game of course). Thus my answer :)

[Desnudo]

Interesting...solid logic...and despite all of it, i the assasin picked mckerney and he was protected...irony? ;)

And don't forget Mckerney protecting himself. Pretty much an all around clusterfluck.

[TazFTW]

All members returned to camp.
Nuts.

[Desnudo]

I thought about camping out too, but then read you can only use it once a game. I think that will be best held until we are close to gaining the monopoly.

[hoopsguy]

OK, lets see if we can get the ball rolling for voting:

Here are people that I can vouch started in my square, which was a different direction from where SnDvls was found dead:

KWhit, Qwik, Vince, and Path

So those guys are all in my initial circle of trust as people who did not kill last night. Doesn't mean they are not filthy pirates, but the chances are remote that any of these people started in one direction, only to double back and kill SnDvls when he was three squares away.

Furthermore, these two people would have needed to use 6 APs to complete a kill - possible if they are a pirate (fleet power), but even more remote: Path and Vince. They were in the same 2nd square as me, putting further distance between themselves and SnDvls. I have a very high level of faith (highest level of trust in game so far) that neither of these two killed SnDvls.

[TazFTW]

How did you get that info? Did you use a watch command?

[Alan T]

How do you know these people were in your square? Is the only way through the watch action? So you did 2 movement, 2 watch and 1 dig action?

[hoopsguy]

No watch actions for me in terms of this information - I saw them move from a square to a square with me. I can get more specific with the squares if you need me to do so. And I would expect that these people should be able to vouch for my movements as well. I don't know of any role that I would have that would make me privy to special information.

Are both of you saying that your PMs did not indicate any information about people moving to the first square with you? Or any other treasure hunter movements?

[TazFTW]

Are both of you saying that your PMs did not indicate any information about people moving to the first square with you? Or any other treasure hunter movements?
Nope. All I got was how much gold I found in a squre.

[Alan T]

No watch actions for me in terms of this information - I saw them move from a square to a square with me. I can get more specific with the squares if you need me to do so. And I would expect that these people should be able to vouch for my movements as well. I don't know of any role that I would have that would make me privy to special information.

Are both of you saying that your PMs did not indicate any information about people moving to the first square with you? Or any other treasure hunter movements?


Nope, I have no information on anyone's movement at all. I am guessing that means no one was near where I was this morning.

[hoopsguy]

I can only conclude that I moved to a trendy spot relative to you guys. Or that you are keeping info to yourselves, although I intuitively don't think this is the case with both of you.

[Alan T]

I can only conclude that I moved to a trendy spot relative to you guys. Or that you are keeping info to yourselves, although I intuitively don't think this is the case with both of you.


I purposely chose somewhere that I thought would not have much traffic. I wanted to see if it made a difference in getting more gold with less people there. I guess I have no idea what others got,but I was rather underwhelmed with my results I fear though.:)

[kingfc22]

I just want to see if I have this right. During the morning phase do the pirates need to be on the same square to kill or can they just choose whomever?

[TazFTW]

I chose my direction because I didn't want to run into the knife wielding pirate and if I read the rules correctly you get less gold if there is someone else digging in that square.

Although considering how much gold I received it feels like someone was in my square.

[kingfc22]

Are both of you saying that your PMs did not indicate any information about people moving to the first square with you? Or any other treasure hunter movements?
I too was only told about my goooooold. Hmmmm, I'm a bit suspicious of Mr. Hoops but I will wait and see how this plays out over tonight and tomorrow.

[kingfc22]

So does anyone want to reveal which direction they traveled? Is there any benefit to giving this knowledge or indicating how much gold one might have? Just trying to throw out ideas for conversation.

Barkeep - can we be attacked at the bank?

[Alan T]

So does anyone want to reveal which direction they traveled? Is there any benefit to giving this knowledge or indicating how much gold one might have? Just trying to throw out ideas for conversation.

Barkeep - can we be attacked at the bank?


Im guessing if we want to put big targets on the heads of those who have the most money. Part of the pirates strategy I think will be eliminating those who are on to them, but another part will be trying to make money for themselves and keep us from our monopolies. I'm not so sure we want to help them with this just yet.

[kingfc22]

Im guessing if we want to put big targets on the heads of those who have the most money.I think opening bank accounts will be important in regards to this, but even more important is willing them to someone who is a treasure hunter. That way even if we are killed we don't lose the gold that has been collected.

[hoopsguy]

I guess I'm suspicious of myself until someone else comes out and says that they had information on other peoples movements. :rolleyes:

There are eight possible squares where you can make your initial move (assuming you don't stay put for AP1). It appears that five of us chose one square. If all three of you are telling the truth then each of you went to a unique square by yourselves. Or I do have access to some kind of information by means of a role I didn't know I had. Which seems like a reach to me.

I'm pretty sure that a watch action would not give me information on all of those people, just on the person I decided to watch. But since I didn't exercise a watch (was kind of interested in gold this turn) I don't know this for sure.

[Vince]

I can vouch for Hoops on the initial grouping, though I received no notification of anyone else hanging around with me for my second move.

[hoopsguy]

Was hoping that I would see this, since you were lurking in the thread.

Going to get some zzzz's and will be back in the mix tomorrow.

Vince is right now the clubhouse leader for my will :) Of course, if he thinks this is putting a bullseye on him then I will randomly select between Alan, King, and Taz but not announce the result.

[Vince]

Well, unless our Pirates are pretty retarded, then they wouldn't kill me until AFTER they kill you. So sometime before tomorrow, you need to take me out of your will publicly, but not privately ;)

[hoopsguy]

Vince, just to confirm - you did not see anyone in the 2nd group? Because I did view you and path in the 2nd square as well as the first. It is strange that we did not get matching information.

Really going to bed, will look for the answer in the morning.

[path12]

I guess I'm suspicious of myself until someone else comes out and says that they had information on other peoples movements. :rolleyes:

There are eight possible squares where you can make your initial move (assuming you don't stay put for AP1). It appears that five of us chose one square. If all three of you are telling the truth then each of you went to a unique square by yourselves. Or I do have access to some kind of information by means of a role I didn't know I had. Which seems like a reach to me.

I'm pretty sure that a watch action would not give me information on all of those people, just on the person I decided to watch. But since I didn't exercise a watch (was kind of interested in gold this turn) I don't know this for sure.

Hoops, I didn't get any information about who was in any square with me (just the gold totals), but I will say that I moved D4-E5-F6. I don't see how that can hurt me now.

[saldana]

i only went to one square, in a completely different direction from the one that sun was killed in, and i can vouch that ardent was no where near there, as he was apparently in the same square as i was, dont know if he was watching me and i saw him, or if i just saw him because we were both digging in the sand. either way, he was no where near Sun.

[pennywisesb]

Nope, I have no information on anyone's movement at all. I am guessing that means no one was near where I was this morning.

Nope, I saw you Alan. At least my PM said I saw you very briefly.

[pennywisesb]

Dola, so at the moment AlanT is in my circle of trust because he was not even close to where the murder took place.

[kingfc22]

Can anyone vouch for me being in the SE part of the map? Just wondering if anybody saw me since I did not see anyone while I was digging.

[Desnudo]

I went in that general direction, although I didn't specify squares except the one I wanted to go to. I also didn't see anyone else.

[Grammaticus]

Since I may be out throught the real world night and have no access to a pc, I'm going to vote now. It is a random vote for:

VOTE KING

[Raiders Army]

I can only conclude that I moved to a trendy spot relative to you guys. Or that you are keeping info to yourselves, although I intuitively don't think this is the case with both of you.
I also received a PM with only the amount of gold I received.

[Vince]

Hoops, I will confirm that I only received the info on the 5 of us in the first square (E5), and nothing on anyone else in any of the square(s) I visited. Yes, I'm being ambiguous...I don't want none of you blokes finding the nice vein I found this afternoon. It should make me rich :)

I think tomorrow I'll be depositing my cash at the bank, and deciding who should be in my will...though I'm pretty sure I know who'll be the beneficiary if I get knifed.

I work tomorrow, and for a long shift. Just in case I can't get around, I'm going to throw a vote out there now.

There isn't much of a reason behind this one, other than the fact that he voted for me first, and he hasn't been vouched for being away from the scene of the crime at all. By my count, we have 9 people 'accounted for:'

I'm certain of these guys:
myself
hoops
Qwikshot
KWhit
path

Pretty Sure of:
AlanT

Somewhat sure of:
pennywisesb
saldana
ardent enthusiast

This isn't to say that none of these guys are pirates, or even that none of them are the one that killed SunDvls (they could have doubled back) -- but I highly doubt that they doubled back. Hoops confirms my sighting of the initial five, so unless we're in cahoots (hint: we're not), those five are safe for now. Alan claims to have been in a completely different square, and Pennywise confirms that, though Alan didn't notice Pennywise. Since we've noted that it is possible for people to not notice others (path and myself not noticing hoops in our second square of movement) while they are noticing you, this doesn't damn pennywise in the least. But we can't just assume that he's not throwing that out there as a red herring. Saldana claims that he was far from the scene of the crime, and that he saw ardent there too.

Since people can notice others without being noticed, saying "I was far from the crime, and I saw xxx" without specifying where you were when you saw the person is a pretty good way to stay undercover -- you have the blanket statement of 'I don't want to alert the pirates to where I was, and I'm sure xxx wouldn't want that out there either' to hide under, while at the same time it seems to proclaim your innocence, especially if 'xxx' claims they were far from the crime as well.

Right now I'm just thinking out loud, as I won't be back at the computer for a while. That all being said...

I vote Blade.

[Vince]

Hoops, I will confirm that I only received the info on the 5 of us in the first square, and nothing on anyone else in any of the other square(s) I visited. Yes, I'm being ambiguous...I don't know what any of your motivations are, and as is obvious with Blade's day one actions, I might be a target, and I want to keep my hide intact, thank you very much.

I think tomorrow I'll be depositing my cash at the bank, and deciding who should be in my will.

I work tomorrow, and for a long shift. Just in case I can't get around, I'm going to throw a vote out there now.

By my count, we have 9 people 'accounted for:'

I'm certain of these guys:
myself
hoops
Qwikshot
KWhit
path

Pretty Sure of:
AlanT

Somewhat sure of:
pennywisesb
saldana
ardent enthusiast

This isn't to say that none of these guys are pirates, or even that none of them are the one that killed SunDvls (they could have doubled back) -- but I highly doubt that they doubled back. Hoops confirms my sighting of the initial five, so unless we're in cahoots (hint: we're not), those five are safe for now. Alan claims to have been in a completely different square, and Pennywise confirms that (which would just be weird if he was lying, unless they're both Pirates...but why lie this early? Too easy to get caught, in my opinion), though Alan didn't notice Pennywise. Since we've noted that it is possible for people to not notice others (path and myself not noticing hoops in our second square of movement) while they are noticing you, this doesn't damn pennywise in the least. But we can't just assume that he's not throwing that out there as a red herring. Saldana claims that he was far from the scene of the crime, and that he saw ardent there too.

Since people can notice others without being noticed, saying "I was far from the crime, and I saw xxx" without specifying where you were when you saw the person is a pretty good way to stay undercover -- you have the blanket statement of 'I don't want to alert the pirates to where I was, and I'm sure xxx wouldn't want that out there either' to hide under, while at the same time it seems to proclaim your innocence, especially if 'xxx' claims they were far from the crime as well.

Who's left?

kingfc22
Blade
Desnudo
Raiders Army
Grammaticus
TazFTW
Schmidty

Right now I'm just thinking out loud, as I won't be back at the computer for a while. Remember, a tie in the voting confuses the cops, and means no arrest. That all being said...

I think he's literally been a bad guy in every single game of Werewolf I've ever played. Since this is pretty much a crapshoot anyways, that (combined with him being 'unvouched' for as yet) is as good a reason as any I can think of. It was tough not to vote on Blade first though :)

I vote Raiders Army.

[Vince]

Huh...going to preview post apparently posted my first one before I changed my mind. interesting. I'm sure that will go over well tomorrow (sigh).

Uh, since I think this is necessary now -- sorry to make your life a little more difficult Barkeep.

Unvote Blade
Vote Raiders Army

[Alan T]

Huh...going to preview post apparently posted my first one before I changed my mind. interesting. I'm sure that will go over well tomorrow (sigh).

Uh, since I think this is necessary now -- sorry to make your life a little more difficult Barkeep.

Unvote Blade
Vote Raiders Army

lol, I was confused for about 30 seconds there.

[Qwikshot]

Now why is it, everywhere I go I'm bumping into greenhorns trying to infringe upon my gold!?! I was wandering down into I think it was E5 on my grid, my map, da'n yutes...I bump into you bumblers. The first guy had a basketball nickname I think, or was it that guy from One Crazy Summer...I dunno, seemed profession'l, I hate profession'ls. The other guy I didn't think he could speak English or was lost, I think...he kept saying Path, path...I kept pointing to the road, but damned if he kept shaking his head...too hot in this sun...the other guy sounded like 'quit', I was hoping he was givin up but then I realized it was just his name, mad me madder than a hornet...and the, the /normal/ one, looked like a Vegas dealer...I told him to go back to the steamboats and shoot for a dead man's hand...they didn't stick around too long...which IS good...

Shame bout that one youngin bitin it...heart attack my bum...only tourists get heart attacks here, after too many Mai Tais, fat fried shrimp, and happy endings from the girls at the local Spa...

I need me some gold...I want some rum.

Stupid greenhorns after my gold, stupid pirates for being pirates...

Oooooh

[Vince]

And this is why I stopped playing these games. It's 5 AM for crying out loud, and I haven't slept yet. Sigh.

[Alan T]

So far it looks to me like most of the group that Hoops saw is confirming their location.

Kwhit, Hoops, Path, Vince, Qwikshot all appear to not have been in the area to make the kill last night, although that does not mean they are not pirates.

Pennyweis also said the same about me, even though I have no ability to confirm his whereabouts, as i did not see him.

Thinking about this, it obviously helps us narrow down who did NOT make the kill last night at least. I am hoping people do not entirely start thinking of these people as cleared though, as it would be far too easy for a pirate to sneak into a circle of trust that way.

In my mind, right now it helps us identify targets moreso than "clear" people. The danger with this though is Pirate A could say "I saw Player X way far away last night, he could not have done this!" and it be a total fabrication without any way to support it.

[hoopsguy]

Qwik = very funny
Vince = relapsed WW addict

Although we have a few people who have come out vouching, not everyone has noted what direction they went in ... Path has confirmed that our group of 5 started in a SE direction (I'm confirming the first two moves he listed). Did anyone head SW along with SnDvls?

I'm not sure how much stock to put in two random people vouching for each other (or one vouching for the other but not reciprocated) at this point in time. I think there is value here, but this is also something that the pirates can latch onto since there is not an absolute "i saw these players and these players all saw me" relationship here.

There is still plenty of time for something to come out here that helps tighten our net. But the most compelling evidence will come from the SW. I'm concerned that someone may have headed in that direction but decided they did not want to be linked to the murder when sharing their information.

[Raiders Army]

Although we have a few people who have come out vouching, not everyone has noted what direction they went in ... Path has confirmed that our group of 5 started in a SE direction (I'm confirming the first two moves he listed). Did anyone head SW along with SnDvls?
I went to A7. From my PM, I did not see anyone. I just received gold.

[hoopsguy]

RA, I'm assuming you took the most direct route there: D4-C5-B6-A7?

If so, that is disappointing that you didn't see anyone while moving there. I would expect that SnDvls would have moved D4-C5-B6 just because that is the only route to B6 that doesn't waste time. And a treasure hunter would not want to waste time that could be spent digging, although he could have used a "hide" or "watch" action to slow his progress to B6.

[Qwikshot]

OOC - brief recap

Sndvls - Dead at B6, SW of map

Penny saw AlanT; AlanT did not see Penny

Saldana vouches for AE

Hoops, Vince, Qwik, Path, Kwith all saw each other in SE area

Des and King state they were in SE area

Gram votes for King, minimum explanation

Vince votes for Blade, then RA, with maximum explanation

RA went to A7, no one witnessed him.

Taz went somewhere where no one witnessed him.

Schmidty and Blade (amazingly) are quiet.

[SnDvls]

I also received a PM with only the amount of gold I received.

I received a PM too....it said I was stabbed in the back and killed...bastards!! :mad:

No this was probally a good thing as one of my coworkers had a death in the family and I would be very limited in this game. Good luck all.

[Barkeep49]

There's been quite a bit of talk when a middle aged man in a cheap suit enters the hut.

"Hello all and to all a hello. How are you fine gents doing today? We have here a MIGHTY fine group. Yes indeed a MIGHTY fine group indeed.

"Now I have here a little information that just needs to stay between us. Ya know so no one else hears it."

Shady looks around conspiratorially before continuing.

“I can make you all RICH beyond your dreams. You will have women at your beck and call. An inexhaustible supply of gold. All you have to do is make me a small payment of 100 Gold Pieces, yes that’s right the mighty affordable price of 100 Gold Pieces, and the exclusive, yes I said exclusive, rights to this island are YOURS. Now we must hurry because I have heard that there are a group of mercenaries who are willing to come and take over this here island for 125 Gold Pieces. Now I don’t, and you don’t, want these evils here so go ahead and get together a group for that 100 Gold Pieces.

“Finally before I leave here I thought I should offer you something.”

Shady pulls out a necklace with five beads on it.

“This necklace is a traditional piece of Blahoopian jewelry. It’s great for informal or formal occasions. Any Blahoopian who you meet will respect you instantly for it. Sadly, I only have one of these and so I will offer it to the highest bidder.

“But make sure you don’t try anything fancy. Do not try and retract your bid (In other words no editing of posts with a bid in it) and make sure you have the gold to pay for your items as I don’t like to be cheated. Now it’s possible some of you will want to be asleep when the action ends. If so just come outside and tell me how much is the maximum you’d be willing to pay. If I feel like it (In other words if I’m around and receive a PM from you) then I will increase the bid for you without you even having to lose a moment of shuteye.

“So there you have it blokes. I’ll be back later to talk some more.”

Evening Cycle is now going and ends 8 PM Eastern.

[Qwikshot]

That guy with the sharp name...Butterknife, I think it was, or spork...so loud and huffing his chest...seems so quiet now, remarkably...kinda nice, but kinda spooky, you don't really go quiet lest you contemplatin', and with that dead boy, methinks one is trying to keep out of view...not on m'h watch...mmm-hmmm

Vote Blade

[Alan T]

Well, I guess we don't have zero information to go on to try to inprison this wrongdoer to prevent them from doing a similar crime to the rest of us...

unless anyone has a better idea, should we try to narrow down one of the ones not vouched for as a possible target to jail? I am pretty sure that some of the people who have been vouched for (or even those doing the vouching) so far likely could be or are pirates, so I don't want to become too comfortable with clearing those people. However putting pressure on people who were not vouched for, could possible lead to pirates doing false vouchings or find some other way to snare one.

From my list, this is the people that no one could vouch for that they saw elsewhere earlier this morning:

Blade
Desnudo
Pennywise
Raiders
Grammaticus
Taz
king
ardent
Schmidty

Maybe we should look at these closely and figure out who might be someone we want to contact our local law enforcement about.

[Raiders Army]

RA, I'm assuming you took the most direct route there: D4-C5-B6-A7?

If so, that is disappointing that you didn't see anyone while moving there. I would expect that SnDvls would have moved D4-C5-B6 just because that is the only route to B6 that doesn't waste time. And a treasure hunter would not want to waste time that could be spent digging, although he could have used a "hide" or "watch" action to slow his progress to B6.
I went C4-B4-B5-B6-B7-A7, then dig.

[Qwikshot]

I went C4-B4-B5-B6-B7-A7, then dig.

OOC: This makes you the athlete or a pirate. You sure went the longest way to get to your point...that is

it would've been wiser to do c5, dig, b6, dig, a7, dig...get more gold that way

mighty odd /OOC

[pennywisesb]

Well, I guess we don't have zero information to go on to try to inprison this wrongdoer to prevent them from doing a similar crime to the rest of us...

unless anyone has a better idea, should we try to narrow down one of the ones not vouched for as a possible target to jail? I am pretty sure that some of the people who have been vouched for (or even those doing the vouching) so far likely could be or are pirates, so I don't want to become too comfortable with clearing those people. However putting pressure on people who were not vouched for, could possible lead to pirates doing false vouchings or find some other way to snare one.

From my list, this is the people that no one could vouch for that they saw elsewhere earlier this morning:

Blade
Desnudo
Pennywise
Raiders
Grammaticus
Taz
king
ardent
Schmidty

Maybe we should look at these closely and figure out who might be someone we want to contact our local law enforcement about.

AlanT, I went northwest, does that help at all in deciding if I was in fact near where you were?

[Raiders Army]

I just went to one of the furthest points on the map. It didn't even occur to me to dig at more than one location. I'll do so in the future. :)

[Raiders Army]

Dola, I also didn't realize that we could move diagonally. Damn you checkers for messing me up.

[Alan T]

OOC: This makes you the athlete or a pirate. You sure went the longest way to get to your point...that is

it would've been wiser to do c5, dig, b6, dig, a7, dig...get more gold that way

mighty odd /OOC

I was curious about this also.. Raiders how exactly did you make so many moves?



And reply to Penny: Yes, the direction you said you moved along with spotting me makes me feel that you did not have as much to do with this morning's death, however I don't know where to the NW you spotted me, or if it might have been possible to double back though in time. I do know so far your story matches up to what i know at least.

[Barkeep49]

This reminds me that if you want to move from say D4-C6 (SnDvl's fatal path) then please be specific as to how you want to get there. There is often more than 1 way to go and as you saw last night how you go there can matter.

[Qwikshot]

So's I'm gonna rein'nerate that I'm thinking this poor dead kid ran into somethin fierce down there in the SW. We's got someone who knows how to run...run all the way to the end o' the earth, just to get his fingernails deerty in one plot...funny funny, greenhorn. Long way to go for so little...

So's b'sides the guys that I had to deal with o yonder SE, we gots one definately SW...

These pirates must be healthy, know how to run, even with a mess o' grog in em. They must've targeted deadboy from the start, followed him, kilt him.

I gots from all this ramblin' talk...that the ones I run into (Path, Hoops, Vince, Kwhit, Qwik) went SE...we gots talk that two others also went that way...(Des and King)...so that makes 7 of us near'd the river.

Deadboy(sndvl) and GreenhornArmy (RaidersArmy) went SW but didn't see each other...Greenhorn musta had blinders on not to see ANYTHING, I means, there was someone else that must've been there, lest someones else was the Greenhorn.

Butterfork (blade) and Smitty (schmidty) are awfully quiet, but I'm gessin' that's from a hard's days work...

The one they called Ardvark Enthusiast, no ardvarks here m'boy, and Salad lover seemed to have bumped into each other but didn't say where...

Pennyforyerthoughts ran into the guy named IcedT, or Allenade...whatever...theys went Northwest.

Grammyphone doesn't like King, but didn't give a reason...was Grammy in the southeast too?!?

[Raiders Army]

I was curious about this also.. Raiders how exactly did you make so many moves?
I used roads.

[Raiders Army]

Deadboy(sndvl) and GreenhornArmy (RaidersArmy) went SW but didn't see each other...Greenhorn musta had blinders on not to see ANYTHING, I means, there was someone else that must've been there, lest someones else was the Greenhorn.
I don't like what you're insinuating. I can't help but see what I see. If I don't get it in the PM, then I don't see anything. All I got was some gold. I'm guessing that our paths did not cross.

[Qwikshot]

I used roads.

WAIT...I thought roads were only good for bikes or taxis...there was no benefit when on foot.

[Alan T]

WAIT...I thought roads were only good for bikes or taxis...there was no benefit when on foot.


Thats what I thought as well. I went and reread the rules on the front page and it states:

Road: Roads can decrease the movement cost for people with bicycles or who use a taxi. Note that that the road bonus applies when moving to a square with a road. So no bonus if a player moves from D2-D1, but the player will get the bonus if moving from D1-D2.

Right now 2 + 2 is equaling somewhere around 5 1/2.

[Raiders Army]

WAIT...I thought roads were only good for bikes or taxis...there was no benefit when on foot.
Ugh. You are correct. I have no idea where I went last night then. I really don't know the rules at all. Crap.

Barkeep, I know that I received some gold, but can you tell me where I dug?

[Raiders Army]

I'm guessing I ended up at B6 then and dug for gold?

[hoopsguy]

The only reason that I'm not putting a vote on Raiders immediately here is that he says that he didn't see someone while posting a series of actions that make no sense to me (too many moves, putting himself in the SW). If he is a pirate then I'm sure his walkie-talkie is blowing up right now.

But unless there is someone who actually witnessed a killing or can give compelling evidence to validate Raiders I'm probably going to move this direction with my vote later today.

[Poli]

I saw Saldana as well...and I'll add this we went, umm, east? Looking at the map, we went to the right. :)

[Poli]

Sign-ups
1. SnDvls
2. Blade6119
3. Desnudo
4. path12
5. Alan_T
6. pennywisesb
7. hoopsguy
8. Raiders Army
9. saldana
10. KWhit
11. Qwikshot
12. Grammaticus
13. TazFTW
14. kingfc22
15. ardent enthusiast
16. schmidty
18. Vince
I had to make sure. My obligatory first vote.

Vote Schmidty

[Alan T]

The only reason that I'm not putting a vote on Raiders immediately here is that he says that he didn't see someone while posting a series of actions that make no sense to me (too many moves, putting himself in the SW). If he is a pirate then I'm sure his walkie-talkie is blowing up right now.

But unless there is someone who actually witnessed a killing or can give compelling evidence to validate Raiders I'm probably going to move this direction with my vote later today.


Yeah, I have been sitting here the last 5 minutes trying to think of a reason -not- to vote Raiders. It could be an honest mistake on his part, but with it being day1, and no better choices jumping out at me, I'm going to lean his way first.

At least for now, I say lets let the local cops deal with this guy. If he just made a simple mistake, then things might check out later for him at the jail just fine. Not my problem to worry about, lets let the cops deal with Raiders.

VOTE Raiders Army

[path12]

Yeah, I have been sitting here the last 5 minutes trying to think of a reason -not- to vote Raiders. It could be an honest mistake on his part, but with it being day1, and no better choices jumping out at me, I'm going to lean his way first.

At least for now, I say lets let the local cops deal with this guy. If he just made a simple mistake, then things might check out later for him at the jail just fine. Not my problem to worry about, lets let the cops deal with Raiders.


ooc: I'm leaning this way too with what he said, but think I'll wait a bit before making a final decision -- it's a complicated ruleset and on day 1 I can certainly imagine an honest mistake. /ooc

Please, I just want to find the gold. She gleams.

[hoopsguy]

I'll bid 2 gold for the necklace.

Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be a completely worthless trinket.

[Qwikshot]

OOC: What happened to 17? From the list.

[Poli]

Packerfan, maybe? He did drop out.

[Alan T]

OOC: What happened to 17? From the list.

Someone dropped out.

[Qwikshot]

Greenhornarmy(RaidersArmy) ain't sayin' he's an athlete, yet he gots all the way to A7.

Mighty surprizin' --I got doubts now...

[Qwikshot]

Someone dropped out.

Figured

[Poli]

Ultra Nox.

[Qwikshot]

Ultra Nox.

uhm Rox ;) (not this season anyway)

[Poli]

Just wanted to see if you'd say something in your old man voice.

Regard all further alarms.

[Qwikshot]

Just wanted to see if you'd say something in your old man voice.

Regard all further alarms.

I /told/ yu, there's no ARDVARKS in these here parts...just gold, and it's mine...you silly greenhorn...nature preserve is thataway (pointing out past the sea, the horizon)...leave me to me gold...

[Barkeep49]

I'm gone until just a little bit before lynch. Please remember to bold your vote and bids and to have them at the end of the post.

[Raiders Army]

Greenhornarmy(RaidersArmy) ain't sayin' he's an athlete, yet he gots all the way to A7.

Mighty surprizin' --I got doubts now...
Barkeep PMed me to tell me that he changed my direction so I moved diagonally.

[Raiders Army]

The only reason that I'm not putting a vote on Raiders immediately here is that he says that he didn't see someone while posting a series of actions that make no sense to me (too many moves, putting himself in the SW). If he is a pirate then I'm sure his walkie-talkie is blowing up right now.

But unless there is someone who actually witnessed a killing or can give compelling evidence to validate Raiders I'm probably going to move this direction with my vote later today.
It would be a mistake to vote for me today. I realize that my actions appeared to be sneaky, but it was an honest mistake.

[hoopsguy]

Sorry about that - will repeat my bid here with the bold and at the end.

BID 2 GOLD FOR NECKLACE

[Qwikshot]

Barkeep PMed me to tell me that he changed my direction so I moved diagonally.

ooc: This is all I want to know...did you just say A7 or did you give actual direction to A7...this alone will alter my perception...you went smack dab where Sndvls was...and for now, not a soul otherwise had stated to be in your vicinity...it's just all very suspicious...I agree that the rules are somewhat daunting...BUT even if you did just move to A7, you would have had to have used 4 AP total of your 5 which makes far better sense. Mistake or not. I'm assuming that you just gave the quadrant you wanted to go to, therefore you didn't see anyone because it was too difficult to keep track of who was going where unlike some of the others that stated each quadrant they went to.

[pennywisesb]

Yeah, I have been sitting here the last 5 minutes trying to think of a reason -not- to vote Raiders. It could be an honest mistake on his part, but with it being day1, and no better choices jumping out at me, I'm going to lean his way first.

At least for now, I say lets let the local cops deal with this guy. If he just made a simple mistake, then things might check out later for him at the jail just fine. Not my problem to worry about, lets let the cops deal with Raiders.

VOTE Raiders Army

I agree. Either he's just REALLY confused, or something very fishy is going on. With it being day one, I'd at least like to cast a vote in the latter direction rather than a random vote on someone else, so with that said:

Vote Raiders Army

[hoopsguy]

It's getting late enough in the day that people should have had a chance to come forward with information. So for now ...

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

A runaway vote isn't helping us out with voting patterns, but I'm not sure they are as important in this game when we are jailing (not lynching) people and not getting role reveals after the vote.

I have about the same level of unease around Raiders here that I did with Desnudo last game - not sure if the information is grounds for lynching, but without something else compelling I'll go with it. Of course, in that game Desnudo did end up being an other ...

[saldana]

Barkeep PMed me to tell me that he changed my direction so I moved diagonally.


i dont buy this....barkeep posted more than once exactly how we are supposed to send in our morning AP's, no raiders is saying he screwed his up and Barkeep fixed it for him! i dont see a DM automatically adjusting for a screwup...that would be like me reassinging the spy scan for Pass the night he picked a dead guy to view....you screw up, you deal with the screw up....

vote raiders army (i owe you from last game anyway)

[Qwikshot]

unvote Blade
vote Raiders

This doesn't change me view of Sporkman, I think he's dirtier than a sewer rat smeared in moldy cheese hanging at the pornopit...not that I know anything bout that...but Greenhornarmy has been flubbing, flamming, and flumoxed the wrinkles from mah forehead...Of to me rum, and ma' plan'z of gold...

[Qwikshot]

i dont buy this....barkeep posted more than once exactly how we are supposed to send in our morning AP's, no raiders is saying he screwed his up and Barkeep fixed it for him! i dont see a DM automatically adjusting for a screwup...that would be like me reassinging the spy scan for Pass the night he picked a dead guy to view....you screw up, you deal with the screw up....

vote raiders army (i owe you from last game anyway)

I agree with saladshooter on this principle...some greenhorns are sharper than others...

[KWhit]

Just getting into the thread today (it has been a nasty day at work so far, ughhh!)

I saw Hoops, Path, Qwik, and King as we travelled to the SE, so I can vouch for their initial moves at least.

[KWhit]

RA could have just made a mistake, but without anything else to go on, I gotta vote for somebody, so:

Vote Raiders Army

[Schmidty]

Just woke up, and I have a few pages to read before voting.

[Raiders Army]

ooc: This is all I want to know...did you just say A7 or did you give actual direction to A7...this alone will alter my perception...you went smack dab where Sndvls was...and for now, not a soul otherwise had stated to be in your vicinity...it's just all very suspicious...I agree that the rules are somewhat daunting...BUT even if you did just move to A7, you would have had to have used 4 AP total of your 5 which makes far better sense. Mistake or not. I'm assuming that you just gave the quadrant you wanted to go to, therefore you didn't see anyone because it was too difficult to keep track of who was going where unlike some of the others that stated each quadrant they went to.
I'm getting tired of repeating myself...especially to you. I told you what directions I went. Whatever.

[Raiders Army]

It would be a mistake to vote for me today. I realize that my actions appeared to be sneaky, but it was an honest mistake.
Obviously I have to spell it out for you:

I AM THE INVESTIGATOR.

I did not receive a role when the game started. I PMed Barkeep and asked him if I was supposed to receive one or should I just assume that if I didn't get one I was a normal treasure hunter.

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

As far as what I did last night, I didn't really understand what was going on with the watch thing (still don't know what it is either), and I told Barkeep I wanted to watch TazFTW and follow him. Since I PMed this to Barkeep well before the deadline, I also gave him conplan A, which was moving to A7, which obviously happened. Bad luck, me not paying attention, and then more bad luck led to this role reveal...

[Raiders Army]

Double dola, and the reason why I checked in so late was because I didn't receive a role.

[Raiders Army]

And didn't anyone get the sneaky part???

[Schmidty]

Wow, I'm not even to page 8 yet, and Raiders has already made me beyond suspicious with his multiple "honest mistakes". I don't understand how he could have all of those extra points without being a pirate.

I'm going to go back and do the math and see if the "athlete" trait would allow him to do it, otherwise this is my vote:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

[saldana]

why would you make a role reveal like that on day one....you are only going to jail, and could get bailed out later...now you are dead meat (if telling the truth) or lying (which we wont know because no roles are revealed upon jailing)

i am pretty convinced we are right....later pirate. *tosses gorgeous mane of hair aside and leave room*

[Alan T]

Wow, I'm not even to page 8 yet, and Raiders has already made me beyond suspicious with his multiple "honest mistakes". I don't understand how he could have all of those extra points without being a pirate.

I'm going to go back and do the math and see if the "athlete" trait would allow him to do it, otherwise this is my vote:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I looked at that, and what I understand from the rules about the athlete trait, even then that wouldn't let him do the move that he initially said. He has changed his story a few times though since then, which either shows me A) Desperation B) Being caught in a lie C) trying to hide a role reveal and not doing a good job of escaping without it.

If its A or B, well he should be jailed. If its C, then obviously we wouldn't want to jail him, but at this point its a 67% chance of jailing being a good move. Since if it is C, his role has been revealed and I'm sure he will be a pirate target and be useless to us anyways, and since jail is not a final death per say we can always bail him out later if he is good.

[saldana]

Wow, I'm not even to page 8 yet, and Raiders has already made me beyond suspicious with his multiple "honest mistakes". I don't understand how he could have all of those extra points without being a pirate.

I'm going to go back and do the math and see if the "athlete" trait would allow him to do it, otherwise this is my vote:

VOTE RAIDERS ARMY


if that were the case, why didnt he claim Athlete, instead of investigator? someone else even asked him if he was the athlete...not buying what he is selling.

[KWhit]

Unvote Raiders Army

[Schmidty]

Obviously I have to spell it out for you:

I AM THE INVESTIGATOR.

I did not receive a role when the game started. I PMed Barkeep and asked him if I was supposed to receive one or should I just assume that if I didn't get one I was a normal treasure hunter.

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

As far as what I did last night, I didn't really understand what was going on with the watch thing (still don't know what it is either), and I told Barkeep I wanted to watch TazFTW and follow him. Since I PMed this to Barkeep well before the deadline, I also gave him conplan A, which was moving to A7, which obviously happened. Bad luck, me not paying attention, and then more bad luck led to this role reveal...

Unless Barkeep can confirm that what you say about him messing up with your role, even if it's a vague confirmation, I'll unvote you. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my vote.

If you really are the investigator, you just put a giant bullseye on your head, and that could really hurt us. If you aren't a pirate, then you're an obvious target for the pirates, and that would really suck.

[KWhit]

I'm not sure what to think at this point. I need to re-read RA's posts.

[Alan T]

Unless Barkeep can confirm that what you say about him messing up with your role, even if it's a vague confirmation, I'll unvote you. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my vote.

If you really are the investigator, you just put a giant bullseye on your head, and that could really hurt us. If you aren't a pirate, then you're an obvious target for the pirates, and that would really suck.


That is what my point was also. Either way if that is a true reveal, it doesn't really effect my vote at this point.

[Schmidty]

I looked at that, and what I understand from the rules about the athlete trait, even then that wouldn't let him do the move that he initially said. He has changed his story a few times though since then, which either shows me A) Desperation B) Being caught in a lie C) trying to hide a role reveal and not doing a good job of escaping without it.

If its A or B, well he should be jailed. If its C, then obviously we wouldn't want to jail him, but at this point its a 67% chance of jailing being a good move. Since if it is C, his role has been revealed and I'm sure he will be a pirate target and be useless to us anyways, and since jail is not a final death per say we can always bail him out later if he is good.

Yeah, this could really suck if he's the investigator. Either way, he's toast. but like you said, I like the jail option since it's not final in case he really is good.

[Qwikshot]

Obviously I have to spell it out for you:

I AM THE INVESTIGATOR.

I did not receive a role when the game started. I PMed Barkeep and asked him if I was supposed to receive one or should I just assume that if I didn't get one I was a normal treasure hunter.

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).

As far as what I did last night, I didn't really understand what was going on with the watch thing (still don't know what it is either), and I told Barkeep I wanted to watch TazFTW and follow him. Since I PMed this to Barkeep well before the deadline, I also gave him conplan A, which was moving to A7, which obviously happened. Bad luck, me not paying attention, and then more bad luck led to this role reveal...

But then you should've got some dirt on Taz...something, anything...from my map Taz hadn't really said his location...puts some sus'psion on him, but not as much as you...as for the sneaky text, while it looked a little outta place, it wasn't enough to wow me...don't place blame on the ole man on the glowering glances of mistrust...

[Desnudo]

Are we supposed to specify the exact path we take to our destination? I PM'd Barkeep my final destination only.

I dont see a need to reveal to avoid going to jail this early.

[pennywisesb]

Someone should be able to corroborate this, since Barkeep told me that he accidentally sent two roles to one person (that person's and my role).


Unvote Raiders Army

This is true, I was the one who got sent multiple PMs about roles, I obviously didn't know who got what role, but this is too much of a coincidence. I PMed barkeep asking what role was for me, and he told me the investigator was for someone else (obviously not naming names).

I don't want to contribute to losing the investigator on day 1.....

[pennywisesb]

RA just entered my circle of trust.

[saldana]

i sent my final destination only and the number of points it was going to take to get there, with my last ap order being to dig. i counted out the points myself and just said where i wanted to go.

ok, i am out until around 6 when the office empties.

[Desnudo]

Did you watch anyone RA?

[Alan T]

Unvote Raiders Army

This is true, I was the one who got sent multiple PMs about roles, I obviously didn't know who got what role, but this is too much of a coincidence. I PMed barkeep asking what role was for me, and he told me the investigator was for someone else (obviously not naming names).

I don't want to contribute to losing the investigator on day 1.....

well now two possibilities to being true here:

A) Both penny and Raiders are pirates and have some elaborate ploy of trying to get Raiders off the hook from a day 1 jailing due to a slip up.

B) Raiders and penny are both telling the truth, and Raiders just hasn't had a very good day 1 and is privately cursing at Barkeep's ruleset about right now. :)


I wonder what all we can find out about people once they are jailed by paying the extra gold. This could be a chance to clear 1 miner (Raiders) + make another miner look very trustworthy (Penny) through one jailing, especially if it is reversable.

The downside is if they are telling the truth, Raiders likely will be a pirate target very soon (and might even be safer in jail for now.. under the assumption that pirates can not kill him while in jail.)

I guess the main questions I have before changing my vote would be: 1) Can pirates attack people in jail .. and 2) What kind of information will we be able to buy from the police about jailed individuals.

I am guessing the answer to one or both of those might have to be found out as we go.. I do think that if B, this is true, then Raiders will be dead soon enough anyways, so might be best to go through with the jailing in an attempt to clear or condemn Penny.

[pennywisesb]

I was worried that coming out with the PM information might place some suspicion on me, but I felt it was necessary to try to save the investigator. If it weren't such a crucial role, I probably would have just stayed quiet. AlanTs plan sounds fine with me, as I'm always open to being cleared :)

[Alan T]

I was worried that coming out with the PM information might place some suspicion on me, but I felt it was necessary to try to save the investigator. If it weren't such a crucial role, I probably would have just stayed quiet. AlanTs plan sounds fine with me, as I'm always open to being cleared :)


Yeah, at this point though I'm not sure if its possible to save the investigator once that role has been revealed. Thats probably one of the high targets for the pirates to knock off.

And I don't think if RA's story checks out, it would totally clear you, since you could have gotten a pirate role + his role attached to it.. but it definitly makes you a bit more trustworthy in my book for now.

[Alan T]

Another question for Barkeep, If I wanted to put my underwhelming amount of gold in the bank at some point when it could buy me more than a can of chewin tobacco, when would I do that? During the evening phase? Or is it part of the morning phase and involves AP being used to travel to the bank and deposit it as part of your turn?

If this was asked before, I apologize, all the gold dust getting to me.

[KWhit]

Okay. I trust penny and RA at this point. It doesn't make sense for a pirate to put his own butt on the line to save another pirate this early in the game. I might revisit this line of thought at a later time, but for today's vote, I think I can list these guys on my DO NOT VOTE FOR LIST:

KWhit
Hoops
Path
Qwik
King
Pennywise
Raiders Army

So anybody else is fair game. Anybody have thoughts on somebody not on this list?

[Desnudo]

I would contribute 1 GP to find out the role of whoever is in jail. I think it makes sense to do this every night someone is in there.

[pennywisesb]

A) Both penny and Raiders are pirates and have some elaborate ploy of trying to get Raiders off the hook from a day 1 jailing due to a slip up.

I agree that RA's play has been kinda strange, but it would be pretty ridiculous for me to come out (when I wasn't on anyone's radar) and give my inside information if we were both pirates. That would be pretty stupid. Just wanted to point that out.

RA, I agree with AlanT at this point, even if you aren't jailed by some miracle, I have a feeling you won't make it through the night.

[Alan T]

I would contribute 1 GP to find out the role of whoever is in jail. I think it makes sense to do this every night someone is in there.


I agree too. I was going to hope to have enough money to get the role of Raiders once he went to jail by myself even if no one else wanted to contribute. But I'll need a bit better morning tommorrow than I had this morning to do that.

[path12]

Okay. I trust penny and RA at this point. It doesn't make sense for a pirate to put his own butt on the line to save another pirate this early in the game. I might revisit this line of thought at a later time, but for today's vote, I think I can list these guys on my DO NOT VOTE FOR LIST:

KWhit
Hoops
Path
Qwik
King
Pennywise
Raiders Army

So anybody else is fair game. Anybody have thoughts on somebody not on this list?

I continue to be amazed by how quiet Blade is being, and that automatically makes me somewhat suspicious.....

Respect path would like from Hoopblas:
Bid 3 gold

[path12]

I would contribute 1 GP to find out the role of whoever is in jail. I think it makes sense to do this every night someone is in there.

Me too.

[kingfc22]

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

Wouldn't it be smart for the Pirates to send their killer in one direction while the rest travel in another? Then hope the run into some treasure hunters who can vouch for their location. I know that is how I would play it if I was a pirate.

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.

[path12]

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

Wouldn't it be smart for the Pirates to send their killer in one direction while the rest travel in another? Then hope the run into some treasure hunters who can vouch for their location. I know that is how I would play it if I was a pirate.

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.

I don't think we're saying they're safe for the game, just that it's not likely they killed Sun.

[Alan T]

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

Wouldn't it be smart for the Pirates to send their killer in one direction while the rest travel in another? Then hope the run into some treasure hunters who can vouch for their location. I know that is how I would play it if I was a pirate.

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.


I know I haven't said that. In fact I have said the opposite a few times. I am pretty sure a pirate is in the groups of people being vouched for, or even a voucher himself. I think the list of people who haven't been vouched for only gives us targets for who might have done the killing this morning. Not who is or is not a pirate.

[kingfc22]

I just want to see if I have this right. During the morning phase do the pirates need to be on the same square to kill or can they just choose whomever?
Can anyone answer this question? I'm still confused on how the Pirates kill actually works.

[path12]

Dola, I also think that nobody really knew about having the chance to see others while you travelled, so I don't know if that strategy would have been in place yet. I assume it is now though.

[pennywisesb]

I don't think we're saying they're safe for the game, just that it's not likely they killed Sun.

Yeah, I think its directed for people to decide who to vote for today or tomorrow, rather than clearing them for the duration.

[KWhit]

The one thing that I'm having a problem with today is why we have such heavy trust in the "5".

I just don't like saying hey these 5 guys are safe after one phase of the game.
Don't get me wrong. There is no reason in the world to believe that any of "the 5" are safe. But it is very likely that the pirate who killed sndvls last night was not part of "the 5". So the reasoning is that we are more likely to get a pirate by voting for someone outside of that group.

[Alan T]

Can anyone answer this question? I'm still confused on how the Pirates kill actually works.


I wanted clarification on this before, and barkeep kind of gave an answer earlier in this thread. From what it sounds like unless you hide somehow or lose them (or they did not know where you started from for some reason), they just have to follow you and kill you as one of their APs.

What I don't know is if you keep moving as APs will they have to keep moving and only can do the kill once you stop to watch, dig, or something else or not.

[kingfc22]

[QUOTE=Desnudo]Are we supposed to specify the exact path we take to our destination? I PM'd Barkeep my final destination only./QUOTE]

I sent my exact route.

[path12]

[QUOTE=Desnudo]Are we supposed to specify the exact path we take to our destination? I PM'd Barkeep my final destination only./QUOTE]

I sent my exact route.

So did I.

[KWhit]

Dola, I also think that nobody really knew about having the chance to see others while you travelled, so I don't know if that strategy would have been in place yet. I assume it is now though.Exactly. Now the pirates will likely have wacky, non-obvious travel patterns before their kills, but it isn't likely they did this last night.

[hoopsguy]

I would be willing to contribute towards a jail 'reveal' fund but I'm not sure we are allowed to transfer gold to each other (and while at work I don't have as much time to reference the lengthy list of rules).

If there is not a mechanism that allows for the transfer then I would be willing to be part of a group of people who rotate days to verify roles. But I'm unlikely to be in a position to be able to afford this tonight.

[Raiders Army]

Unless Barkeep can confirm that what you say about him messing up with your role, even if it's a vague confirmation, I'll unvote you. Otherwise, I'm sticking with my vote.

If you really are the investigator, you just put a giant bullseye on your head, and that could really hurt us. If you aren't a pirate, then you're an obvious target for the pirates, and that would really suck.
Quite frankly, I don't see how this is a huge role reveal. It's not like it's that good of a power and I don't have the seer ability.
Investigator (Treasure Hunter)
Sneaky Trait: This player may watch another player for additional turn without being noticed.

[Raiders Army]

Unvote Raiders Army

This is true, I was the one who got sent multiple PMs about roles, I obviously didn't know who got what role, but this is too much of a coincidence. I PMed barkeep asking what role was for me, and he told me the investigator was for someone else (obviously not naming names).

I don't want to contribute to losing the investigator on day 1.....
Thanks man.

[KWhit]

I would be willing to contribute towards a jail 'reveal' fund but I'm not sure we are allowed to transfer gold to each other (and while at work I don't have as much time to reference the lengthy list of rules).

If there is not a mechanism that allows for the transfer then I would be willing to be part of a group of people who rotate days to verify roles. But I'm unlikely to be in a position to be able to afford this tonight.
But I assume that Barkeep only PMs us with what we find out from looking at the evidence. Therefore, a pirate could view evidence (or not view it at all) and lie to us about what he saw.

[Desnudo]

I don't think RA is dead necessarily. We would just need to set up a buddy system to make sure he is watched or hidden.

[Raiders Army]

Did you watch anyone RA?
LOL. Apparently not. I thought I could just PM Barkeep that I wanted to follow TazFTW, but that wasn't good enough. He went with my alternate choice of going to A7.

What I don't understand is how my role is that good. If I don't know the exact path people are going, how am I supposed to watch them?

[kingfc22]

I would be willing to contribute towards a jail 'reveal' fund but I'm not sure we are allowed to transfer gold to each other (and while at work I don't have as much time to reference the lengthy list of rules).

If there is not a mechanism that allows for the transfer then I would be willing to be part of a group of people who rotate days to verify roles. But I'm unlikely to be in a position to be able to afford this tonight.Give: A player may give another player an item or gold. Both players must be in the same square. The person receiving the item is not charged an AP. This action may also be used during the Afternoon and Evening Cycles, without any AP cost. However, if used during the Afternoon or Evening Cycles it should be posted in the thread and is considered public information, except that the pirates may pass their knife from one to another by PM’ing me.

[path12]

I would be willing to contribute towards a jail 'reveal' fund but I'm not sure we are allowed to transfer gold to each other (and while at work I don't have as much time to reference the lengthy list of rules).

If there is not a mechanism that allows for the transfer then I would be willing to be part of a group of people who rotate days to verify roles. But I'm unlikely to be in a position to be able to afford this tonight.

Give: A player may give another player an item or gold. Both players must be in the same square. The person receiving the item is not charged an AP. This action may also be used during the Afternoon and Evening Cycles, without any AP cost. However, if used during the Afternoon or Evening Cycles it should be posted in the thread and is considered public information, except that the pirates may pass their knife from one to another by PM'ing me.


So we could designate someone to post bail every day and give them 1 gold during the Afternoon or Evening cycle without costing ourselves an AP.

The obvious problem is that nothing stops the pirates from following them to the jail and killing them there with the 7 gold, right?

[Raiders Army]

I also find it ironic that I'm asking you guys to read my posts carefully to see the sneaky part when I didn't read the directions and posts carefully. :D

[Blade6119]

I continue to be amazed by how quiet Blade is being, and that automatically makes me somewhat suspicious.....

Respect path would like from Hoopblas:
Bid 3 gold
I have had classes straight from 7:40(if you saw i posted a lot last night)...the Arizona State net is down in my dorm, have technicians coming to my dorm room to fix at 4:00 PM phoenix time...in computer class for an hour so i can contribute while im here...will be able to do quite a bit tonight

[Blade6119]

I also find it ironic that I'm asking you guys to read my posts carefully to see the sneaky part when I didn't read the directions and posts carefully. :D
I trust raiders, he is playing in his style...i wont vote for him, but just noting the pirates have fleet of foot as well, not just the athlete...presenting both sides, despite my feelings he is more then 90% likely to be good

[kingfc22]

I haven't seen much talk on the monopoly. We need 100 gold. Right now we have 16 people left in the game. More than likely only 12 or 13 are treasure hunters.

Going on the assumption that we have 13:
If each treasure hunter avg. 3 gold per day that would mean we would need at least 3 days worth of gold to reach 100. We would be at 117 and that is without spending our GP on any items or services.

Each day we will likely lose a treasure hunter making our job harder since we will only be able to travel one or two spots away from the hut in order to use multiple dig AP's. Making the Pirates job easier since we will be easier to find if we are close to the hut.

[Alan T]

I haven't seen much talk on the monopoly. We need 100 gold. Right now we have 16 people left in the game. More than likely only 12 or 13 are treasure hunters.

Going on the assumption that we have 13:
If each treasure hunter avg. 3 gold per day that would mean we would need at least 3 days worth of gold to reach 100. We would be at 117 and that is without spending our GP on any items or services.

Each day we will likely lose a treasure hunter making our job harder since we will only be able to travel one or two spots away from the hut in order to use multiple dig AP's. Making the Pirates job easier since we will be easier to find if we are close to the hut.

If you got 3 gold lastnight, then I definitly need a better place to mine.

[Blade6119]

Last night i went to C5 and dug there...i saw three figures in C5, but recieved no names. Seeing as how sndvls died in C6, i have to assume two of the three were sn and his killer

[Blade6119]

If you got 3 gold lastnight, then I definitly need a better place to mine.
I got 1 gold..not going to C5 again

[KWhit]

Strategically, does it make sense for us to share where we dug last night and how much gold we got per turn?

Pros: We can narrow down the best places to dig, getting us closer to the monopoly.

Cons: The pirates learn the best places to dig too.

[KWhit]

Heh, sounds like we're thinking along the same lines, Blade.

[KWhit]

I got 1 gold..not going to C5 again
You got 1 gold total?

[path12]

You got 1 gold total?

How many digs?

[Blade6119]

Strategically, does it make sense for us to share where we dug last night and how much gold we got per turn?

Pros: We can narrow down the best places to dig, getting us closer to the monopoly.

Cons: The pirates learn the best places to dig too.
I think we should share..if Sun died in C6, they have the ability to follow us without worrying about where we are. We ALL start in the hut every day...if they watch us then kill they can get whoever they want. I think sharing is not bad considering this. Now how much gold we have, i dont think is wise...i did, and i somewhat regret it. They get the gold of who they kill, and will merely kill whomever has the most gold(bad for monopoly).

Heres a nice question. Sndvls died at a river...what does that tile have as signifigance...we know mountains take 2 AP, but what do rivers do? Im betting its not there just for scenery(anyone catching my drift...think about gold mining in cali)

[Blade6119]

You got 1 gold total?
1 gold total, yes...in C5...

[kingfc22]

If you got 3 gold lastnight, then I definitly need a better place to mine.I didn't but I was hoping that some people might have gotten 4 or 5 and that is why I said an average of 3. If we are averaging only 1.5 or 2 per treasure hunter than we better get these pirates in jail before they kill us making 100 GP nearly impossible.

[Blade6119]

How many digs?
3 Digs

I used AP1 to hide from the pirates in case they tried to watch/stalk me(figured it would counter it), moved to C5, then dug to mostly no avail

[KWhit]

1 gold total, yes...in C5...
What did you do for the other 3 turns?

[Blade6119]

Heh, sounds like we're thinking along the same lines, Blade.
About raiders or what?...dont remember rehasing ideas

[path12]

Heres a nice question. Sndvls died at a river...what does that tile have as signifigance...we know mountains take 2 AP, but what do rivers do? Im betting its not there just for scenery(anyone catching my drift...think about gold mining in cali)

As I understand it, it costs 1AP to enter a river square, but 2AP to go past it (i.e. cross the river).

[kingfc22]

What did you do for the other 3 turns?Here is my turn recap: I moved 3 AP's, Dug 1 AP and then hid.

[Blade6119]

As I understand it, it costs 1AP to enter a river square, but 2AP to go past it (i.e. cross the river).
Oh, i didnt read that...i thought maybe it meant more gold in the river since many people found gold in rivers during gold rush

[Alan T]

I think we should share..if Sun died in C6, they have the ability to follow us without worrying about where we are. We ALL start in the hut every day...if they watch us then kill they can get whoever they want. I think sharing is not bad considering this. Now how much gold we have, i dont think is wise...i did, and i somewhat regret it. They get the gold of who they kill, and will merely kill whomever has the most gold(bad for monopoly).

Heres a nice question. Sndvls died at a river...what does that tile have as signifigance...we know mountains take 2 AP, but what do rivers do? Im betting its not there just for scenery(anyone catching my drift...think about gold mining in cali)

Rivers cost 2 AP to move across. You can move from 1 dock to the other dock for 2 GP for only 1 AP. however since I don't think anyone had money last night, I am sure that is not what happened here.

As for sharing how much we made digging, I worry giving that information will put bullseyes on the chests of people who made the most gold. Pirates want that gold as much as we do, so why broadcast who to hit?

[KWhit]

About raiders or what?...dont remember rehasing ideas
You posted your gold total at the exact same time I posted the question about sharing our digging success.

I posted that before I saw your post, so it was like we were thinking along the same lines.

[Blade6119]

You posted your gold total at the exact same time I posted the question about sharing our digging success.

I posted that before I saw your post, so it was like we were thinking along the same lines.
Ah, now i get ya...sorry, maybe im not quite on page with you as you think...well, now i am, but i wasnt....but ya... :)

[path12]

As for sharing how much we made digging, I worry giving that information will put bullseyes on the chests of people who made the most gold. Pirates want that gold as much as we do, so why broadcast who to hit?

Alan found some gold! :D

[Desnudo]

About the sharing, I don't think it's a good idea to share results at this point. It makes more sense to work to establish a smaller group of trustworthy people and then buy walkie talkies or communicate privately in some other way.

By sharing at this point all we do is provide the Pirates with plot points as to where we likely will and will not go. As well as telling them where the good and bad mining spots are, obviously.

[Blade6119]

As for raiders, if hes not a wolf hes as good as dead by them...so if we have a bodyguard, he might be a good target *wink wink* I cant imagine they would allow the investigator(seer) to live once hes revealed...he is by far the biggest threat

[Blade6119]

By sharing at this point all we do is provide the Pirates with plot points as to where we likely will and will not go. As well as telling them where the good and bad mining spots are, obviously.
Judging by the sndvls kill and the fact i know 3 people were in C5 to begin, the wolves dont need to know where we go to kill us. Read the rules, heres a nice little role they have to screw us over:
Scourge (Pirate)
Fleet of Foot Trait: Once per Morning Cycle this player may move the equivalent of two AP with one move action
Kill Action: If this player has the knife they may kill another play who is in the same square as they are.
Stalker: At the cost of 2 AP this player may use the sneaky trait, for a total of 3 AP to watch a player for 2 turns without being noticed. If this role is being used it should be clearly noted in the PM.
Basically this guy can follow us and have us not know it(you know if someones watches you for 2 turns)...this guy just needs to pick someone and stalk them from AP1...whoever that person is might as well kill themselves, as their as good as dead.

Hence why i hid on AP1, hoping to throw this role off if they targeted me

[KWhit]

Blade: So you dug 3 times and only got 1 gp?

[Alan T]

Blade: So you dug 3 times and only got 1 gp?

Barkeep said some places only had a limited amount of gold in them. So if you dig a ton of times, you might not end up with any more gold than just 1 or 2 digs. (Especially if multiple people dig on your square that night).

Blade's luck isn't much worse than mine, he just used more digging turns than I did. Some people obviously were luckier than I was though, since some people already have more gold bid on necklaces than I do to feed myself!

[Blade6119]

Blade: So you dug 3 times and only got 1 gp?
Blade: So you dug 3 times and only got 1 gp?
I sent in this action exactly since a lot of people seem more interested in me(rightfully so since i was a square from where sndvls died)

AP1:Hide
AP2:Move to C5
AP3:Dig
AP4:Dig
AP5:Dig

My PM told me when i moved to C5(2nd action) i saw 3 people...two were moving in the same direction, but seperated by a long distance. The other i saw breifly before he left my sight. "You started digging and found 1 gp"...i didnt quote it all, for obvious rule reasons...Im assuming the two moving in the same direction were sndvls and his killer, while the third person either dug in C5 as well or moved to a different square...id assume the first as it didnt say he was moving.

[Blade6119]

LOL, that damn smily code.......it says ap3, dig; dig....etc...using a different colon

[KWhit]

Barkeep said some places only had a limited amount of gold in them. So if you dig a ton of times, you might not end up with any more gold than just 1 or 2 digs. (Especially if multiple people dig on your square that night).

Blade's luck isn't much worse than mine, he just used more digging turns than I did. Some people obviously were luckier than I was though, since some people already have more gold bid on necklaces than I do to feed myself!
But he is implying that C5 is already tapped out. This is something that would be very easy to check out. If someone digs in C5 today and gets gold, then it's clear he is lying and did something else that he isn't telling us about.

[pennywisesb]

What the hell, franklinnoble is viewing this thread? I haven't seen him around here in ALONG time.

[Alan T]

But he is implying that C5 is already tapped out. This is something that would be very easy to check out. If someone digs in C5 today and gets gold, then it's clear he is lying and did something else that he isn't telling us about.


I'm not clearing Blade and think that it is very possible that he could have gone to C6 to kill Sndvls then go back to C5 and dig once and get gold. However just because C5 might have been tapped out last night, does not mean it is tapped out tonight. Barkeep said there is a replinishment rate on these when i asked.

What -would- be interesting to find out though is if someone goes to C5 and tries to dig three turns in a row, if they got similar results. Even if C5 did get replinished, I do not see it getting replinished more than morning1. Maybe getting 2 gold there on 3 digs would be believable, but if you got 3 gold on 3 digs the next day, something else contributed to him only getting one gold.

[Blade6119]

But he is implying that C5 is already tapped out. This is something that would be very easy to check out. If someone digs in C5 today and gets gold, then it's clear he is lying and did something else that he isn't telling us about.
Im assuming the other person who got their before i did(3 were in the square before i got therem but only 1 i think dug) got a few resources before i did. Judging by some of the bids people have excess money, and id imagine he merely got lucky before i got there...If i was lying why would i say i was soo close to sndvls death square or that i think i saw him? Id say i was far away from his death square...Some people are saying they never saw a soul, with out saying where they went...i find it funny you look at me before them...but ill oblige if you would like, feel free to dig away

[Alan T]

What the hell, franklinnoble is viewing this thread? I haven't seen him around here in ALONG time.


everyone wants to make it rich. There's gold in dem hills

[Blade6119]

I'm not clearing Blade and think that it is very possible that he could have gone to C6 to kill Sndvls then go back to C5 and dig once and get gold. However just because C5 might have been tapped out last night, does not mean it is tapped out tonight. Barkeep said there is a replinishment rate on these when i asked.

What -would- be interesting to find out though is if someone goes to C5 and tries to dig three turns in a row, if they got similar results. Even if C5 did get replinished, I do not see it getting replinished more than morning1. Maybe getting 2 gold there on 3 digs would be believable, but if you got 3 gold on 3 digs the next day, something else contributed to him only getting one gold.
Does whoever else who was in C5 want to speak up...it might help people validate that i was there and not in C6...i wish raiders had scanned me instead of

I have to go, class is over...see you all tonight

[Blade6119]

nm, i actually have time...next class was cancelled

[KWhit]

However just because C5 might have been tapped out last night, does not mean it is tapped out tonight. Barkeep said there is a replinishment rate on these when i asked. Whoa! That's pretty important info that changes things. Was that in the thread or in PM? Barkeep, can you confirm that for us if it was in a PM?

[KWhit]

i find it funny you look at me before them...but ill oblige if you would like, feel free to dig away
I'm just looking at you because I was surprised when you said you dug 3 turns but only got 1 gold. I was surprised that a location had been tapped out so early. I was expecting it to take a number of turns (even with multiple people digging) to tap out a location. No real reason for that expectation, but my initial thoughts about the game lead me to believe that we'd have a couple of turns before places became empty of gold.

[hoopsguy]

UNVOTE RAIDERS ARMY

I had multiple dig actions and received the same result each time. That, coupled with the fact that someone is vouching for Raiders, is driving the unvote action at this time.

If anyone else had an experience with inconsistent results digging in the same square I would love to see those posted right now. Just in case people wonder which way I'm leaning at the moment.

Also, who do we want to designate to view the jailed person tonight? I would prefer to use my give action during the afternoon/evening since it won't cost an AP point.

[Blade6119]

I'm just looking at you because I was surprised when you said you dug 3 turns but only got 1 gold. I was surprised that a location had been tapped out so early. I was expecting it to take a number of turns (even with multiple people digging) to tap out a location. No real reason for that expectation, but my initial thoughts about the game lead me to believe that we'd have a couple of turns before places became empty of gold.
Im not about to pull a raiders and start role revealing all over you guys...id much prefer the other person in C5 can verify i was there. I just ask if i was a wolf why link myself to the crime(1 spot away) and tell you i did 3 digs and got 1 gold(i could have easily said 3-6 if i was a wolf)...and if i had more gold i would be a target....hmmm, why would i say i only got 1 gold? I just gave you 2 reasons, and hopefully i dont need to spell them out or other things about myself...if i have to quote an old message with a hint i will

[Blade6119]

But think it through...why put myself soo close to the crime(even claiming to have seen him, or if not a major coincidence)...it doesnt make sense unless you think im a flubbering idiot(quite possible really ;) ). I just think we need to look at the people who have either not mentioned a word about where they went, or who have and have no one vouching for them or claiming to vouch for someone else. I KNOW there is someone else in C5 who should have known i was there...i can quote at least 3-4 people who claim no one knows where they went and they dont know where anyone else went...and im the suspicious one...gotta love life

[Desnudo]

Judging by the sndvls kill and the fact i know 3 people were in C5 to begin, the wolves dont need to know where we go to kill us. Read the rules, heres a nice little role they have to screw us over:

Basically this guy can follow us and have us not know it(you know if someones watches you for 2 turns)...this guy just needs to pick someone and stalk them from AP1...whoever that person is might as well kill themselves, as their as good as dead.

Hence why i hid on AP1, hoping to throw this role off if they targeted me

I'm thinking more of revealing the amounts found since that tells them where to go to dig and also who to rob. I also hid on AP1.

[hoopsguy]

Factions forming:
1.) Raiders + Pennywise - vouching on PMs received
2.) Blade + Alan T - Alan providing explanations for Blade's dig results

Blade, I would like to be able to prove that you are working with our (TH) interests here. Do you care to rephrase how much gold you collected last night? Or how many times you dug last night?

I've seen you play this way to gain an advantage as a villager before, but if you are not inclined to be forthcoming at this point then it may be best for us to throw you in jail and get a role reveal on you. I want you on my side this game, but I don't want to be having a ton of doubt like I do at this moment. And normally I feel like I've got a pretty good read on you when you are a villager (role or no role).

[KWhit]

But think it through...why put myself soo close to the crime

.....


I KNOW there is someone else in C5 who should have known i was there.
You answered your own question. At least, it's a possible reason. It's possible that you knew that someone saw you in the area and you wanted to go ahead and post your location and actions before they said they saw you.

I'm not saying it's what happened, but it's a possible reason for you to say it.

There has not been much info to go on. You gave us very specific information that was surprising to me (that a gold source was tapped out already). That warrants a further look, IMO.

[Blade6119]

Factions forming:
1.) Raiders + Pennywise - vouching on PMs received
2.) Blade + Alan T - Alan providing explanations for Blade's dig results

Blade, I would like to be able to prove that you are working with our (TH) interests here. Do you care to rephrase how much gold you collected last night? Or how many times you dug last night?

I've seen you play this way to gain an advantage as a villager before, but if you are not inclined to be forthcoming at this point then it may be best for us to throw you in jail and get a role reveal on you. I want you on my side this game, but I don't want to be having a ton of doubt like I do at this moment. And normally I feel like I've got a pretty good read on you when you are a villager (role or no role).
I don't for now...if things get desperate i will start down that path, but i do not want to be in the same boat as raiders(as good as dead)...one post in particular will be quoted if i must, but for now i want to see who pushes and how hard. You know how i play, and hopefully last game can give you a ballpark idea of how im playing now. If you guys dont understand, then just smile and nod, as you likely never will.

[Blade6119]

And i wanted to say to raiders, thanks for the chat last game...id imagine the way things are going with these villagers and accusing roles they shouldnt we will get to chat quite soon again, out of game this time though

[hoopsguy]

OK, just know that if you are a treasure hunter then I think that I'm offering you a possible out for your situation. So if we are on the same side I would prefer you play along rather than let the masses decide your fate. Because the story you have out there at the moment doesn't stand up very well without someone coming out and saying they got inconsistent results on digs in the same square last night.

If that information is not forthcoming, then you are lying. Why?
1.) working an angle (50% likelihood, much higher chance for you than just about any other player in the game)
2.) you are a pirate (30% likelihood, although you don't normally trip yourself up like this)
3.) some possibility that I have not yet considered (20%)

[hoopsguy]

"inconsistent results on digs in the same square"

Not that this doesn't have to be C5, just someone who dug two or more times in the same place (any of the 49 squares) with different results on at least one of their attempts.

[KWhit]

"inconsistent results on digs in the same square"

Not that this doesn't have to be C5, just someone who dug two or more times in the same place (any of the 49 squares) with different results on at least one of their attempts.
Not me. I got the same thing on each dig attempt.

[path12]

"inconsistent results on digs in the same square"

Not that this doesn't have to be C5, just someone who dug two or more times in the same place (any of the 49 squares) with different results on at least one of their attempts.

I had more than one dig with the same result each time.

[Blade6119]

OK, just know that if you are a treasure hunter then I think that I'm offering you a possible out for your situation. So if we are on the same side I would prefer you play along rather than let the masses decide your fate. Because the story you have out there at the moment doesn't stand up very well without someone coming out and saying they got inconsistent results on digs in the same square last night.

If that information is not forthcoming, then you are lying. Why?
1.) working an angle (50% likelihood, much higher chance for you than just about any other player in the game)
2.) you are a pirate (30% likelihood, although you don't normally trip yourself up like this)
3.) some possibility that I have not yet considered (20%)
I appreciate you trying to give me an out, though it could be contrued as your normal sublte ploys for role reveals...i dont think this is the time, nor the possible magnitude for my role reveal. If they want to lynch me, they will only decrease their chances of reaching a monopoly...and i can assume more so then by killing someone else. But enough about me, how are you hoops? :rolleyes:

[kingfc22]

Is there any benefit in not jailing somebody today? Since we don't have a clear cut pirate candidate to lock up would it be better to have all our TH's out watching and digging?

[KWhit]

Is there any benefit in not jailing somebody today? Since we don't have a clear cut pirate candidate to lock up would it be better to have all our TH's out watching and digging?
I think we need to jail somebody today. It will give us helpful voting information we can use later in the game.

[Blade6119]

I think we need to jail somebody today. It will give us helpful voting information we can use later in the game.
So you want to pursue a wolf killing win and not monopoly i assume? As finding out roles upon jailings will cost us quite a bit of money

[hoopsguy]

Blade, the good news in this game is that a lynch could help clear you for the next day. So you can play the rest of the game as a known good, although it will make you a target for the pirates. But I'm guessing you were already on the top half of the pirate target list if you are a treasure hunter.

I'm not trying to get a role reveal from you at all. What I'm asking is if you want to change your story about actions yesterday, in terms of movements or results from digging. Because from everything I see so far 3 digs should not equal 1 GP.

As far as me, anyone can ask me whatever they want. Path has already revealed what my first two actions were for last night by giving the coordinates after I said that I vouched for him on his first two moves (posts #275 and #294). The fact that he is bidding me up on the necklace makes me pretty certain that our actions entirely mirrored each other. But trying to double back around and killing SnDvls from this spot would be impossible (would need fleet + an extra AP over perfect terrain but not looking up the map right now).

[KWhit]

So you want to pursue a wolf killing win and not monopoly i assume? As finding out roles upon jailings will cost us quite a bit of money
Not sure which way is best at this point. But I think that the more information we have later on the better we'll be. At some point, we're going to find a pirate. When we do, the voting history for him and the history of who voted/did not vote for him become powerful weapons for us to use to find the other pirates.

I'll admit that the presence of the monopoly rule makes it a good discussion to have, but I still think jailing someone today is the way to go.

[Blade6119]

I agree, jailing is key every day...but the question comes in finding their roles...it costs gold to do so, so we would have to feed gold to someone and trust them to tell us the right role. So while i agree jailing is key, the question comes in spending the gold to find out roles or just save for 100. Every reveal puts us 7 back i believe, while every night kill puts them X up...just wondering about numbers really. Can we afford role reveals with them having 2-3 digging away and getting the gold from every person they kill. Just discussing ideas with you, as in my mind they have far better odds going for 125 over a 1-1 ratio.

[pennywisesb]

So you want to pursue a wolf killing win and not monopoly i assume? As finding out roles upon jailings will cost us quite a bit of money
I think this is the main question we all need to ask ourselves. There's no possible way for us to win trying to do both. Its one or the other so I think we all need to chime in on how we want to do it.

I think the easiest way would be to put people in jail and then bribe the police into letting us know any evidence against them, and then lynching any pirates. 100GP sounds like a ton, plus, with some of us getting killed off here or there, I think that number could be almost unreachable. Just my $.02.

[Vince]

A couple of things...

KWhit, jerk, I should be on that list :)

Blade and others -- I'm pretty sure (positive, I just went back and checked) SunDvls died on B6. While this is in the same direction as C6, there is a difference. I would agree that some of the people that were seen in C5 were probably the killer and SunDvls.

Also, Blade -- if you were to come out and say that you had a lot of gold, I'd call bullshit, because that would draw unneeded attention to yourself if you were a treasure hunter, and would illustrate a lack of caution in making yourself a target, probably implying that you were a pirate. So claiming that you have very little gold convinces me exactly 0% more that you are not a pirate.

I'm fairly convinced that RA is what he says he is, but I think that we should put him in jail anyways. If we can correctly ID him, that would go a long way. However, what about pirate strategy at this point? Assuming RA is the investigator, do the pirates want him in jail, and you were a pirate, wouldn't you want him in jail? If RA is in jail, the treasure hunters will be squandering resources trying to id him, and then trying to bail him out -- that's an expensive set of moves there. On top of that, it frees the Pirates to start weeding out others without fear of the investigator watching them, and they can always just off RA once he gets bailed out. I think this is a win-win scenario for the pirates on day one.

I hate to predict doom and gloom and not offer a suggestion, but I really don't know what to do. Hopefully some more thought will give me an idea. As for now, I don't think we can afford to keep RA out of jail, even though there are plenty of benefits to the pirates for sending him to jail. The opportunity cost of possibly nailing two pirates (Penny and RA) if RA is actually a pirate is pretty huge.

Still considering over here.

[KWhit]

I think this is the main question we all need to ask ourselves. There's no possible way for us to win trying to do both. Its one or the other so I think we all need to chime in on how we want to do it.

I think the easiest way would be to put people in jail and then bribe the police into letting us know any evidence against them, and then lynching any pirates. 100GP sounds like a ton, plus, with some of us getting killed off here or there, I think that number could be almost unreachable. Just my $.02.
I just don't know the answer to that yet and it might be a bit too early to decide. It depends on what the gp totals are going to be. I didn't make much last night, but I dug fairly close to the hut. If digging further out means that we can make a good bit more gp per turn, it might be possible to get to 100.

[Vince]

Barkeep has said that each dig will earn you from 0-6 gold...I think 100 isn't too far out of the realm of possibility, but people just got unlucky on day one. That, or they're lying to keep a target off their back. I think I'm going to keep my gold total close to the vest...though that may just as well paint a target on my back.

[Blade6119]

A couple of things..

Blade and others -- I'm pretty sure (positive, I just went back and checked) SunDvls died on B6. While this is in the same direction as C6, there is a difference. I would agree that some of the people that were seen in C5 were probably the killer and SunDvls.

Also, Blade -- if you were to come out and say that you had a lot of gold, I'd call bullshit, because that would draw unneeded attention to yourself if you were a treasure hunter, and would illustrate a lack of caution in making yourself a target, probably implying that you were a pirate. So claiming that you have very little gold convinces me exactly 0% more that you are not a pirate.
I HAVE 1 GOLD...i promise as much, and i can give it to raiders if you would all like since he is clear. I did not lie about my gold total, in any way. Let me make that part quite clear

[Vince]

Barkeep: Would it be fair to assume that it would be difficult for a Pirate to kill someone 'in town' (D3, D4, D5, C4, E4) without being noticed by a Blahoopian, and therefore outed? Or should we assume that pirates are inherently sly, and could kill you in an alley or something without notice?

[Raiders Army]

I have 2 gold right now. All I can tell you about myself (and sorry for implicating you penny) is that wouldn't it be the stupidest ploy ever to say that I'm the investigator when I'm not? I gotta relook the rules again tonight when I get home for work, but just to let you guys know, I won't be around much tomorrow or the next day. DAIG is coming here for an inspection and I have to coordinate everything.

[Vince]

I HAVE 1 GOLD...i promise as much, and i can give it to raiders if you would all like since he is clear. I did not lie about my gold total, in any way. Let me make that part quite clear
I'm not saying that claiming you have little gold makes me think you are any more a pirate, just that claiming you have little gold doesn't convince me that you aren't a pirate either. If I were to be public about my gold total, I'd come up with a suitably low number (probably 1 or 2) regardless of how true it was. There is no benefit (that I can see) to claiming you are rich. Even Treasure Hunters can rob others with that Party Mask.

[KWhit]

I hate to predict doom and gloom and not offer a suggestion, but I really don't know what to do. Hopefully some more thought will give me an idea. As for now, I don't think we can afford to keep RA out of jail, even though there are plenty of benefits to the pirates for sending him to jail. The opportunity cost of possibly nailing two pirates (Penny and RA) if RA is actually a pirate is pretty huge.
I disagree. It would be great to put RA in jail and find out he was a pirate so we could get a two for one, but I think the odds of that are very low. I really don't think a pirate would come out and put their ass on the line to vouch for him this early. There's always time to look at RA later on. I think that a better strategy is to assume he's okay for now, but with the caveat that we might want to give him a second look later on.

[Blade6119]

I'm not saying that claiming you have little gold makes me think you are any more a pirate, just that claiming you have little gold doesn't convince me that you aren't a pirate either. If I were to be public about my gold total, I'd come up with a suitably low number (probably 1 or 2) regardless of how true it was. There is no benefit (that I can see) to claiming you are rich. Even Treasure Hunters can rob others with that Party Mask.
The benefit would be claiming im rich if either(as a wolf) i wanted people to go to a certain square, or to make it so my gold matched my number of digs...i made an error, much like last game...for similar reasons as well, that im hoping arent as public as im afraid they are...

[Vince]

Way to be 'subtle.' If you're telling the truth, why is it an error (honest question, I'm not totally suspicious of you yet :))?

[Vince]

I disagree. It would be great to put RA in jail and find out he was a pirate so we could get a two for one, but I think the odds of that are very low. I really don't think a pirate would come out and put their ass on the line to vouch for him this early. There's always time to look at RA later on. I think that a better strategy is to assume he's okay for now, but with the caveat that we might want to give him a second look later on.
I can see where you're coming from...

We need to ask ourselves the question -- are we going to try to ID whoever we throw in jail? Why wouldn't we (other than the expense)? We aren't going to learn much if we don't. Personally, I'm happy just going out and digging every day until I have enough gold to throw into a monopoly, and getting the hell out...but I don't know if we'll be able to do that without putting at least a couple of pirates in jail.

[Blade6119]

Way to be 'subtle.' If you're telling the truth, why is it an error (honest question, I'm not totally suspicious of you yet :))?
Because if you can surmise from my posts im telling the truth about my gold total...i might have fibbed on my actions that brought that result. And by slipping up people have made a big deal of it, and when your a wolf and see non-wolves lying you have a bee-line target...but with raiders already revealing i feel some level of comfort as they work to get him killed and the bodyguard works to defend him...but its a mistake, no matter which side of the fence you stand on in regards to me

[hoopsguy]

Blade, if you don't have extra gold then I don't have an out for you right now. Was going to suggest that you bid up the necklace, but you would need 4 GP to get that at this point.

Really wish you had been able to finger the others in the square with you. Although if you could that would potentially make things pretty easy for us in terms of identifying the pirates ... feels like a Barkeep game-balance mechanism if you are telling the truth.

[Alan T]

There is a set amount and a set rate for each square. So the set rate for that square will be in effect until the amount runs out. Most squares have an even conversion, for instance if the rate is 2 GP per Dig it'll have an even number as the amount, though some do not. Some squares have a lot, others not so much.

Quoting this for kwhit since he was asking about this. This is what Barkeep posted about the square replinishment. He didn't exactly answer my question fully Im guessing to hide some of the game's mechanics behind the scene.

[Blade6119]

Blade, if you don't have extra gold then I don't have an out for you right now. Was going to suggest that you bid up the necklace, but you would need 4 GP to get that at this point.

Really wish you had been able to finger the others in the square with you. Although if you could that would potentially make things pretty easy for us in terms of identifying the pirates ... feels like a Barkeep game-balance mechanism if you are telling the truth.
SOMEONE, i dont know who, but with many vouched for the list isnt too big, was in C5 at some point...enough for me to see them(outside of assumes sndvls and his killer)....i keep wondering why this person doesnt speak up. I have 1 gold, couldnt bid on the necklace once 2 gold went up....im trying to beat around the bush as to why i only have 1 gold though

[Alan T]

Factions forming:
1.) Raiders + Pennywise - vouching on PMs received
2.) Blade + Alan T - Alan providing explanations for Blade's dig results

Blade, I would like to be able to prove that you are working with our (TH) interests here. Do you care to rephrase how much gold you collected last night? Or how many times you dug last night?

I've seen you play this way to gain an advantage as a villager before, but if you are not inclined to be forthcoming at this point then it may be best for us to throw you in jail and get a role reveal on you. I want you on my side this game, but I don't want to be having a ton of doubt like I do at this moment. And normally I feel like I've got a pretty good read on you when you are a villager (role or no role).

I'm not sure how I am forming a faction with Blade when I said he was one of the ones we should look at voting for. Right now I think Blade is acting very mysterious (unlike most games I have seen him in), and that makes me heavily suspicious. More importantly though this is a very complex game, and I just don't want us running down trails without looking at things thouroughly. This game is different than most, in that I don't necessarily think being jailed is always a bad thing for miners. I still am wondering the answer to my question earlier about if miners can be killed while in jail.

Right now I still stand by what i said earlier this morning in the list I said we should look at (including Blade on it), and I also am very confident that you have some pirates in your trusted group just based on probability.

[path12]

Because if you can surmise from my posts im telling the truth about my gold total...i might have fibbed on my actions that brought that result. And by slipping up people have made a big deal of it, and when your a wolf and see non-wolves lying you have a bee-line target...but with raiders already revealing i feel some level of comfort as they work to get him killed and the bodyguard works to defend him...but its a mistake, no matter which side of the fence you stand on in regards to me

Blade, this is the second time you've mentioned the bodyguard. I don't see that role anywhere in the list.

[KWhit]

Quoting this for kwhit since he was asking about this. This is what Barkeep posted about the square replinishment. He didn't exactly answer my question fully Im guessing to hide some of the game's mechanics behind the scene.Nowhere in that post does he discuss replenishment. You did in your question, but Barkeep doesn't confirm or deny that a square replenishes itself after it's empty. In fact, based on Blade's latest posts, I don't think sites replenish themselves at all. I think once they're out of gold - they're out.

[Vince]

As far as I know, we don't have a bodyguard type in this game, unless there are hidden roles.

A repeated dig may or may not result in more gold, though all digs on a particular square will result in the same amount of gold (0-5 gold pieces or GP).
Recently Barkeep amended this to be 0-6 GP, but how I read this is that each dig acts like a 'roll' against a target number. If you succeed, you find that square's yield. If you fail, you find nothing. So, for example, C5 has a target of three out of six, and a yield of one. Let's say Blade 'rolled' a 1, 2 and 5. The 5 is the only success, so he failed on his first two attempts, and for his success, he gets that square's yield -- 1 gold.

That's how I interpreted that rule, though only pulling one piece of gold in three attempts is pretty pathetic.

[Vince]

Right now I think Blade is acting very mysterious (unlike most games I have seen him in), and that makes me heavily suspicious.
You haven't played many werewolf games with Blade, have you? :D

[Alan T]

I just don't know the answer to that yet and it might be a bit too early to decide. It depends on what the gp totals are going to be. I didn't make much last night, but I dug fairly close to the hut. If digging further out means that we can make a good bit more gp per turn, it might be possible to get to 100.

I dug pretty far out myself , and I didn't do any better than you all. In fact it sounds like I did worse than some of you.

[Vince]

Re-reading that rule, it seems like every time you dig on a certain square, you automatically get the yield until that square runs out of gold.

im trying to beat around the bush as to why i only have 1 gold though
So you're saying you lied about the 3 digs? Why would you do that?

[path12]

Recently Barkeep amended this to be 0-6 GP, but how I read this is that each dig acts like a 'roll' against a target number. If you succeed, you find that square's yield. If you fail, you find nothing. So, for example, C5 has a target of three out of six, and a yield of one. Let's say Blade 'rolled' a 1, 2 and 5. The 5 is the only success, so he failed on his first two attempts, and for his success, he gets that square's yield -- 1 gold.

That's how I interpreted that rule, though only pulling one piece of gold in three attempts is pretty pathetic.

You might be right. I had read it differently, that there was a set rate in each square (0-6) and each dig would give you that particular number. So in you're example, C5 gives 1 gold per dig and Blade is lying about how many digs he made.

[Blade6119]

So you're saying you lied about the 3 digs? Why would you do that?
That is the right question...

[kingfc22]

100GP sounds like a ton, plus, with some of us getting killed off here or there, I think that number could be almost unreachable. Just my $.02.
Here is my idea on how to get 100 gp. Once someone finds a spot on the map that looks like a gold mine (5-6 gp per dig). All they have to do is get to that spot again see if it replenished the same. If it's still good, then use Mike's messaging service to tell someone you trust. Then go that spot again, camp out, dig all the next day and that should give us a nice chunk of change. If we can find 1 or 2 of these "gold mines" I think 100 gp is possible.

Now that I revealed my strategy for the game, I hope I don't die before I get a chance to see if it works.

[KWhit]

As far as I know, we don't have a bodyguard type in this game, unless there are hidden roles.


Recently Barkeep amended this to be 0-6 GP, but how I read this is that each dig acts like a 'roll' against a target number. If you succeed, you find that square's yield. If you fail, you find nothing. So, for example, C5 has a target of three out of six, and a yield of one. Let's say Blade 'rolled' a 1, 2 and 5. The 5 is the only success, so he failed on his first two attempts, and for his success, he gets that square's yield -- 1 gold.

That's how I interpreted that rule, though only pulling one piece of gold in three attempts is pretty pathetic.
Blade has all but admitted that he lied about his actions. I think (unless someone else can come forward and say that had differing results on digs in the same place) that all digs give the same yield until all gold is gone.

[Vince]

The only thing I can come up with (outside of him being a pirate) is that Blade is the Paranoid Treasure Hunter, and Barkeep asked him if he wanted to do anything about it after realizing someone was watching him.

Afternoon (not normally in a game): This will go from 11 PM to approximately 9:30 AM and will be the time when I carry out the orders submitted. Once in a while a player might have a decision to make during this time, though I do not expect that to happen frequently.

[Vince]

Here is my idea on how to get 100 gp. Once someone finds a spot on the map that looks like a gold mine (5-6 gp per dig). All they have to do is get to that spot again see if it replenished the same. If it's still good, then use Mike's messaging service to tell someone you trust. Then go that spot again, camp out, dig all the next day and that should give us a nice chunk of change. If we can find 1 or 2 of these "gold mines" I think 100 gp is possible.

Now that I revealed my strategy for the game, I hope I don't die before I get a chance to see if it works.
Ding ding ding! We have a winnah!

I'm pretty sure at least a few people were thinking the same thing :)

[Alan T]

I disagree. It would be great to put RA in jail and find out he was a pirate so we could get a two for one, but I think the odds of that are very low. I really don't think a pirate would come out and put their ass on the line to vouch for him this early. There's always time to look at RA later on. I think that a better strategy is to assume he's okay for now, but with the caveat that we might want to give him a second look later on.

This is the biggest issue I'm having right now. At first with the way Penny came out buddying up to me it made me wonder if the pirates were doing my strat on Blade from previous games against me. Which would have told me that Penny + Blade + Raiders were pirates. He did know what direction I went in which is a plus, but he could have shadowed me on purpose for that intent.

I honestly have no idea if this is a huge pirate plan thats so crazy that we would discount it because why would they do it this early, or if I am just being ultra-paranoid right now.

I still am struggling for where the best place for Raiders might be. If pirate, it would be nice to nab him + Penny. If he isn't,well we don't want our witness (investigator) sitting behind bars while we spend 4 gold on discovering his role and then 11 to bail him out.

since the raiders mess ups Blade has come out with what people seem to have outed as a lie (I think I even read where he admitted to lying, I would have to go back to double check). I find it very fish to see someone lying on day 1 near the death scene from this morningwhich is why I was so hard on Raiders earlier.

Either way, I don't think people in trouble should be doing role reveals, I DO think we should try to pay police off to find roles though as best as possible.

[Blade6119]

Blade and others -- I'm pretty sure (positive, I just went back and checked) SunDvls died on B6. While this is in the same direction as C6, there is a difference. I would agree that some of the people that were seen in C5 were probably the killer and SunDvls.
SnDvls, dead today around map coordinate B6.
Around, not in...i know which way direction they were going...he died in C6. The river prevents him from really moving past it, and i know he went to C6 and not B6...just clarifying for you, he didnt not go from C5 to B6...

[Alan T]

Nowhere in that post does he discuss replenishment. You did in your question, but Barkeep doesn't confirm or deny that a square replenishes itself after it's empty. In fact, based on Blade's latest posts, I don't think sites replenish themselves at all. I think once they're out of gold - they're out.


Yeah, when I reread about the replinishment, I think you are right. I understood him saying the rate vs overall total as being replinishment rate. But I think now in rereading it, he meant the rate of discovering gold per dig turn. Basically I asked a question and he answered a different question for me!

[KWhit]

Here is my idea on how to get 100 gp. Once someone finds a spot on the map that looks like a gold mine (5-6 gp per dig). All they have to do is get to that spot again see if it replenished the same.
Good strategy.

But I want to point out again, that I don't think mines replenish. First, it doesn't make sense because gold mines don't just grow more gold overnight. But based on the wording of the rules, I think that a mine will produce the same amount of gold on every dig to every player until the gold runs out and then it will be dead for the remainder of the game.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

[Vince]

Why not stop beating around the bush and throw out the name of the person who killed SunDvls?

[path12]

That is the right question...

You know what? I'm not buying this mysterious role one bit. If you have a role and are a good guy, you're either an Athlete (6 AP instead of 5); a Paranoid (you know you're being watched, no need for wasted AP as far as I can tell, though it seems a very vague benefit by reading the rules); or a Thug (can rob a player once in the game). I tend to believe that Raiders is the Investigator.

So with any of those three other roles, I don't see any reason for lying and being all mysterious about what you did last turn. I think you're bad.

VOTE BLADE