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Deattribution
02-26-2006, 06:54 PM
Police test ruled biased because of disparity in pass rates

By DUANE BOURNE, The Virginian-Pilot
© February 15, 2006

VIRGINIA BEACH — The proof is in the numbers.

Last week, the U.S. Department of Justice concluded that a math test given to Virginia Beach police recruits discriminates against blacks and Hispanics.

That prompted a barrage of critics to ask: How can a math test be biased?

The answer is not elementary arithmetic. It depends on who took the test.

The math portion of the National Police Officer Selection Test, given to Virginia Beach police recruits, was called discriminatory because the pass rate for blacks and Hispanics was less than 80 percent of the pass rate for whites.


The so-called “80 percent rule” is a rule of thumb that has been used by the federal government for years to evaluate possible discrimination cases.

A legal expert at the Justice Department said the finding is based on the legal theory of disparate impact – the idea that any hiring process can be challenged if it has a disproportionate effect on a particular group.

When there is a disparity among the groups of people who pass an entrance exam, for example, the Justice Department wants to know why.

“We are not saying that Virginia Beach is being intentionally racist,” said Eric Holland, a spokesman at the Justice Department’s civil rights division.

Between 2002 and mid-2005, 59 percent of black police applicants and 66 percent of Hispanic applicants passed the math exam, compared with 85 percent of white applicants. To meet the “80 percent rule,” a minority group would have to have a 68 percent pass rate.

Based on those numbers, the Justice Department concluded that “Virginia Beach is engaged in a pattern or practice of discrimination against African-Americans and Hispanics on the bases of their race and national origin with respect to entry-level police officer positions,” according to a letter sent last week by the Justice Department to Virginia Beach.

The Virginian-Pilot could not determine how often such a finding is issued by the Justice Department.

From 2001 to 2004, the Justice Department initiated 63 investigations similar to the one in Virginia Beach. It is not known how many of those investigations resulted in letters like the one that Virginia Beach received.

The Justice Department has been investigating possible discrimination in the hiring of Chesapeake police and fire employees since 2004. The results have not yet been released.

J.H. Verkerke, director of the Program for Employment and Labor Law Studies at the University of Virginia, said the debate is rooted in concerns that hidden discrimination hinders efforts to diversify the work force.

While the Justice Department investigation was pending, in early 2005, the Virginia Beach Police Department asked two members of the local NAACP branch to review the police entrance exam. Beach Police Chief A.M. “Jake” Jacocks Jr. said those members determined that the test assessed basic skills and was not culturally biased.

U nder federal law, that is not enough. The city must justify why it requires the math exam for new police officers and how it relates to their prospective job duties.

“The question,” Verkerke said, “is whether the test is an unnecessary barrier in initial hiring.”

Stanard & Associates Inc., the Chicago firm that created the national exam, has tested whether the exam questions are related to police work, said Steve Allscheid, company president. The same test is used by at least three other Hampton Roads police departments, the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Capitol Police.

In the past, the Justice Department has sued to change entrance exams it considered discriminatory.

In 2003, the federal government charged that the multiple-choice reading comprehension and writing test offered by the Delaware Department of Public Safety was biased because blacks passed at a statistically lower rate than white applicants.

The case went to trial in U.S. District Court.

Delaware argued the test was lawful because “it was job-related for the position in question and consistent with business necessity.” The state said reading comprehension was important in a trooper’s ability to write investigative reports and interpret motor vehicle regulations.

A federal judge concluded that while the test was a reliable screening tool, the passing score was set too high. As a result, the passing grade was lowered.

Often, the defendants in these kinds of cases choose to use another selection criterion , rather than risk a long and costly legal battle with the federal government.

For years, Virginia Beach has pledged to attract a more diverse applicant pool, but that initiative could be part of the solution and part of the problem, Verkerke said.

Such aggressive recruiting could encourage academically weak job candidates to apply, and when those applicants fail the entrance exam, that can widen the disparity in pass-fail rates between whites, blacks and Hispanics, he said.

Because many blacks and Hispanic applicants are reared in lower-income households, those groups might not have access to the same quality of educations as white applicants, Verkerke said.

Virginia Beach officials will schedule a meeting soon with the Justice Department, but no date has been set. Jacocks said the city’s response will not be determined until both sides meet.

Long winded article - but I don't understand this ruling. It's essentially dumbing something down so other less qualified police officers of all things, can get jobs....

Apparently it's a normal thing, and I think I've heard of it happening in education levels but never in a job situation before.... am I the only one who finds this a little crazy?

KWhit
02-26-2006, 06:58 PM
WTF?!

Evidently math is racially biased. So is basketball. Deal with it.

Antmeister
02-26-2006, 07:01 PM
I don't get the ruling as well, but then I ask myself, why there is even a need for a math test for police officers.

John Galt
02-26-2006, 07:06 PM
Given that disparate impact cases almost NEVER win, I think it is safe to say this article is leaving out some of the important facts. I'll try to locate the actual decision.

Klinglerware
02-26-2006, 07:07 PM
I don't get the ruling as well, but then I ask myself, why there is even a need for a math test for police officers.

That's my take on it. I think that the question is not whether or not "math is racially biased", but whether the math requirement is truly necessary for police work and if it was tacked on there for sinister reasons...

panerd
02-26-2006, 07:09 PM
Having a couple of police officer friends and a buddy whose dad is a fireman shit like this has been going on for years in St. Louis.

John Galt
02-26-2006, 07:14 PM
Well, the decision is behind a PACER wall (and I don't have my ID at home), but I'll try to remember to check it tomorrow.

Airhog
02-26-2006, 07:14 PM
well the officer need to know how to count, so he knows if you were going 10mph over the speed limit or not. Or if that bag of coke you have is greater than 8 grams :D

sabotai
02-26-2006, 07:28 PM
I don't get the ruling as well, but then I ask myself, why there is even a need for a math test for police officers.So you were going 15 over the speed limit and you ran the stop sign. That's a $138 for the speeding and $76 for the running the stop sign. So that's....8 plus 6...4 carry the one...right?...yeah, carry the one, so 7 plus 3 plus 1...oh darn..that's.....ugh, don't have my calculator, sir. Sir? Could you add these two numbers for me?

Drake
02-26-2006, 07:28 PM
Does a police officer really need to know math beyond an ability to count to six?

I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

ISiddiqui
02-26-2006, 09:13 PM
So you were going 15 over the speed limit and you ran the stop sign. That's a $138 for the speeding and $76 for the running the stop sign. So that's....8 plus 6...4 carry the one...right?...yeah, carry the one, so 7 plus 3 plus 1...oh darn..that's.....ugh, don't have my calculator, sir. Sir? Could you add these two numbers for me?I'm sure the court would be the one adding up the numbers ;).

I don't see the need for a math test either. I don't think its just basic addition & subtraction either.

Grammaticus
02-26-2006, 09:19 PM
The NAACP reviewed it and confirmed it was basic math. Don't you think that would be needed for determining BAC, speeding, reviewing car registration data, etc. There probably are not many (I know, they exist) jobs that don't require basic math of some sort. I'm sure there are police officers out there that could provide more indepth comentary.

Young Drachma
02-26-2006, 09:24 PM
Right, just because poll taxes were easy and there were blacks that passed them..doesn't mean that they were necessary prerequisites for people to have to vote.

I'm guessing that's the same question for this. Not that I think there is anything wrong with cops knowing basic math. But it's seemingly bigger than that.

Grammaticus
02-26-2006, 09:28 PM
Well, I would like to take the state BAR exam and make them give me a law license because people who did not go to law school do so much worse that those who do. Therefore I am being discriminated against. But, I think that would be a waste of my time.

ISiddiqui
02-26-2006, 09:29 PM
Well, I would like to take the state BAR exam and make them give me a law license because people who did not go to law school do so much worse that those who do. Therefore I am being discriminated against. But, I think that would be a waste of my time.And what protected catagory are you, that you are making a claim for?

Antmeister
02-26-2006, 09:37 PM
So you were going 15 over the speed limit and you ran the stop sign. That's a $138 for the speeding and $76 for the running the stop sign. So that's....8 plus 6...4 carry the one...right?...yeah, carry the one, so 7 plus 3 plus 1...oh darn..that's.....ugh, don't have my calculator, sir. Sir? Could you add these two numbers for me?

I'm confused. What state do you live in where you have the pay the officer on the stop. I think you ran into too many corrupt cops. :D

But seriously, if it beyond basic math, I don't quite get it.

Easy Mac
02-26-2006, 09:38 PM
Sample question?:
1 black + 1 hispanic =
a)a fun party
b)2 people
c)trouble

Grammaticus
02-26-2006, 09:41 PM
And what protected catagory are you, that you are making a claim for?
The group that did not go to law school 'wink'. The article was very slick in being PC and said "A legal expert at the Justice Department said the finding is based on the legal theory of disparate impact – the idea that any hiring process can be challenged if it has a disproportionate effect on a particular group." Doesn't say anthing about a protected status group.

Obviously I'm joking and that would be a tough one even for someone in a minority or protected group.

Although I do recall an article that mentioned a woman in California who was slow (we used to call that retarded) and was able to force the state to give her an unlimited amount of time to take the BAR due to her disability.

KWhit
02-26-2006, 09:45 PM
Right, just because poll taxes were easy and there were blacks that passed them..doesn't mean that they were necessary prerequisites for people to have to vote.

I'm guessing that's the same question for this. Not that I think there is anything wrong with cops knowing basic math. But it's seemingly bigger than that.
I'm no lawyer, but I would imagine the issue is different when it comes to your right to vote.

Rizon
02-26-2006, 10:35 PM
Blacks aren't good at math? Huh? Every black I know knows that one 40oz plus another 40oz is two 40ozs.

Hurst2112
02-27-2006, 12:20 AM
Blacks aren't good at math? Huh? Every black I know knows that one 40oz plus another 40oz is two 40ozs.

'64 beats to the hook d!'

Deattribution
02-27-2006, 05:50 AM
I still don't see how having basic math is an issue, you can argue it may not be needed but I personally don't want to have to wonder if the person with the ability to arrest and/or shoot me isn't even smart enough to know what 2 x 2 is.

The two may not be directly related, but it's exactly that - basic knowledge of math which if you have atleast a GED you should know. Last I checked, whether youre black, yellow or white you can earn a high school diploma.

To me it just sets a terrible precedent for younger minorities - can't pass that test at school? Na, you don't need to work harder, it's just whitey trying to keep you down... fail that test with the last interview? don't try to learn the basic knowledge needed to past their test, call in the supreme court obviously that test is part of a grand scheme with the KKK.