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Mantle2600
02-27-2006, 04:51 PM
As someone who finished high school in Cleveland, someone who lived there for 13 years, someone whose parents are Cavaliers season ticket holders, let me say this to the fans at Quicken Loans Arena:

What in the world are you thinking?

You booed LeBron James?

When I first heard it, I didn't believe it. I thought, "There's no way they could be so dimwitted, not the folks in C-Town." ABC ran with the story Sunday in Detroit, reporting that LeBron told Stuart Scott, "It makes you wonder ... ''

That made it sound like the whole building was jeering, but after checking it out for myself, I understand it was just a smattering -- though a noticeable, unmistakable one. Still, even a smattering of boos is too much.

So he shot 0-for-8 in the second half of a loss to Washington. So he missed eight foul shots and scored just four points in the final two quarters. So what?

You don't boo LeBron James in Cleveland. Not when he can walk out the door in less than two years and destroy your historically pitiful little franchise in the process.

Do you realize how many people, both inside and outside of the NBA, would love to see LeBron go to a bigger, sexier market? Do you realize he could go to Orlando and play with Dwight Howard or to Toronto to play with Chris Bosh for the next 15 years?

Do you realize that 20 years from now, this will be known as the beginning of "The LeBron James Era," that all of the other great youngsters -- D. Wade, Bosh, Howard, Carmelo, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Amare -- will be viewed as supporting actors in his blockbuster, like Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Olajuwon, Robinson, etc. are in relation to Jordan?

Do you realize that no one outside of Ohio would blame him for leaving what many regard as Podunk for the bright lights of Chicago, or elsewhere, as a free agent?

Luckily for you, LeBron hasn't been listening to the whispers. He's from tiny Akron. He's fine at Cracker Barrel; he doesn't need a five-star Zagat's-rated restaurant on Broadway. He wants to turn the hometown team into a winner, a champion.

But you just gave him a reason to at least consider listening to those who sing the praises of the large market, those who are eager to remind him that the modern-day greats, the icons on and off the court, didn't hang out in Cleveland, Sacramento, Portland, Milwaukee and places of that ilk. They were in L.A. (Magic, Shaq, Kobe), Boston (Bird) and Chicago (Michael).

Still, you booed him. You of the 17 wins the season before he arrived, you of the seven straight seasons outside the playoffs, you whose most memorable moment -- "The Miracle of Richfield'' -- took place in 1976. In the first round!

You boo LeBron for a bad half? Is he not averaging 31, seven and seven? Even in the boo game -- one of the worst performances of his career -- he finished with 25, nine and seven.

If he has a bad game, even a bad week, you don't boo him. If he has a month of 35 percent shooting, 10 Ls, and 16 ppg, then maybe you boo him. But he won't put up numbers like that until he's about 40 years old, so it's a moot point.

I hope you haven't been jaded by the recent and senseless hype about LeBron not being a closer. First of all, entering Friday's game, he was leading the league in FG percentage (.560) in the last two minutes of play. Secondly, he's only 21.

I remember Magic Johnson costing the Lakers a game in the NBA Finals by absentmindedly dribbling out the clock. I remember Isiah Thomas costing the Pistons a game and perhaps the Eastern Conference title by throwing a last-second pass into the hands of Larry Bird. I remember Kobe launching air balls in the playoffs against Utah.

Can we give LeBron a little time before we expect him to be as clutch as MJ?

And please don't start hating because LeBron refused to be in the dunk contest. In case you haven't noticed, as great as LeBron is, he's not as graceful and artistic as Michael, Vince, Dominique and Kobe.

He's a heck of a game dunker because of his power and vertical, but when he's on the court by himself, his dunks won't be as pretty as those of the legendary sky walkers. There's no shame in that.

Where does it say you have to win the dunk contest to be an all-time great? How many times did Magic or Bird win it? How many times did Oscar throw down on someone?

LeBron knows he's not the best dunker out there, and if he won the contest, it would only be because of his name. So why enter?

Look, you're paying customers, and you can do what you want, but please take this advice from one who would love to see you enjoy a Bulls-like run: Make last Friday the last and only time you reserve such treatment for LeBron.

Otherwise, you may end up with plenty of chances to boo him in the future --when he returns to the Q in a visitor's uniform

Now im as big a LBJ fan as there is, but if his ego is so sensitive that he would leave cause he was booed in one game, then see ya friggin later. The fans pay his salary and if he shoots atrociously and does absolutely nothin to help his team, then whats the big deal? And correct me if im wrong, but I know i've seen players booed in big markets too.

Vince
02-27-2006, 04:56 PM
Even in the boo game -- one of the worst performances of his career -- he finished with 25, nine and seven.
I would say that's hardly not helping his team.

dervack
02-27-2006, 05:01 PM
As someone who finished high school in Cleveland, someone who lived there for 13 years, someone whose parents are Cavaliers season ticket holders, let me say this to the fans at Quicken Loans Arena:

What in the world are you thinking?

You booed LeBron James?

When I first heard it, I didn't believe it. I thought, "There's no way they could be so dimwitted, not the folks in C-Town." ABC ran with the story Sunday in Detroit, reporting that LeBron told Stuart Scott, "It makes you wonder ... ''

That made it sound like the whole building was jeering, but after checking it out for myself, I understand it was just a smattering -- though a noticeable, unmistakable one. Still, even a smattering of boos is too much.

So he shot 0-for-8 in the second half of a loss to Washington. So he missed eight foul shots and scored just four points in the final two quarters. So what?

You don't boo LeBron James in Cleveland. Not when he can walk out the door in less than two years and destroy your historically pitiful little franchise in the process.

Do you realize how many people, both inside and outside of the NBA, would love to see LeBron go to a bigger, sexier market? Do you realize he could go to Orlando and play with Dwight Howard or to Toronto to play with Chris Bosh for the next 15 years?

Do you realize that 20 years from now, this will be known as the beginning of "The LeBron James Era," that all of the other great youngsters -- D. Wade, Bosh, Howard, Carmelo, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Amare -- will be viewed as supporting actors in his blockbuster, like Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Olajuwon, Robinson, etc. are in relation to Jordan?

Do you realize that no one outside of Ohio would blame him for leaving what many regard as Podunk for the bright lights of Chicago, or elsewhere, as a free agent?

Luckily for you, LeBron hasn't been listening to the whispers. He's from tiny Akron. He's fine at Cracker Barrel; he doesn't need a five-star Zagat's-rated restaurant on Broadway. He wants to turn the hometown team into a winner, a champion.

But you just gave him a reason to at least consider listening to those who sing the praises of the large market, those who are eager to remind him that the modern-day greats, the icons on and off the court, didn't hang out in Cleveland, Sacramento, Portland, Milwaukee and places of that ilk. They were in L.A. (Magic, Shaq, Kobe), Boston (Bird) and Chicago (Michael).

Still, you booed him. You of the 17 wins the season before he arrived, you of the seven straight seasons outside the playoffs, you whose most memorable moment -- "The Miracle of Richfield'' -- took place in 1976. In the first round!

You boo LeBron for a bad half? Is he not averaging 31, seven and seven? Even in the boo game -- one of the worst performances of his career -- he finished with 25, nine and seven.

If he has a bad game, even a bad week, you don't boo him. If he has a month of 35 percent shooting, 10 Ls, and 16 ppg, then maybe you boo him. But he won't put up numbers like that until he's about 40 years old, so it's a moot point.

I hope you haven't been jaded by the recent and senseless hype about LeBron not being a closer. First of all, entering Friday's game, he was leading the league in FG percentage (.560) in the last two minutes of play. Secondly, he's only 21.

I remember Magic Johnson costing the Lakers a game in the NBA Finals by absentmindedly dribbling out the clock. I remember Isiah Thomas costing the Pistons a game and perhaps the Eastern Conference title by throwing a last-second pass into the hands of Larry Bird. I remember Kobe launching air balls in the playoffs against Utah.

Can we give LeBron a little time before we expect him to be as clutch as MJ?

And please don't start hating because LeBron refused to be in the dunk contest. In case you haven't noticed, as great as LeBron is, he's not as graceful and artistic as Michael, Vince, Dominique and Kobe.

He's a heck of a game dunker because of his power and vertical, but when he's on the court by himself, his dunks won't be as pretty as those of the legendary sky walkers. There's no shame in that.

Where does it say you have to win the dunk contest to be an all-time great? How many times did Magic or Bird win it? How many times did Oscar throw down on someone?

LeBron knows he's not the best dunker out there, and if he won the contest, it would only be because of his name. So why enter?

Look, you're paying customers, and you can do what you want, but please take this advice from one who would love to see you enjoy a Bulls-like run: Make last Friday the last and only time you reserve such treatment for LeBron.

Otherwise, you may end up with plenty of chances to boo him in the future --when he returns to the Q in a visitor's uniform

Now im as big a LBJ fan as there is, but if his ego is so sensitive that he would leave cause he was booed in one game, then see ya friggin later. The fans pay his salary and if he shoots atrociously and does absolutely nothin to help his team, then whats the big deal? And correct me if im wrong, but I know i've seen players booed in big markets too.
Who wrote that Article, Dusty Baker?

"C'mon man, booing Corey Patterson at home isn't helping him. You shouldn't boo the home team."

Crapshoot
02-27-2006, 05:06 PM
Now im as big a LBJ fan as there is, but if his ego is so sensitive that he would leave cause he was booed in one game, then see ya friggin later. The fans pay his salary and if he shoots atrociously and does absolutely nothin to help his team, then whats the big deal? And correct me if im wrong, but I know i've seen players booed in big markets too.

The fans don't pay his salaries - lets get over this oft-cited, and totally misguided conclusion. The fact that you boo him when he's not the best player in the league is a little absurd.

Mantle2600
02-27-2006, 05:15 PM
The fans don't pay his salaries - lets get over this oft-cited, and totally misguided conclusion. The fact that you boo him when he's not the best player in the league is a little absurd.

Your right, so if every single fan quit watching the NBA, do you think the owners would still pay the guy millions of dollars to play a game that no one will PAY to see?

By the way, Chris Broussard over at espn.com wrote the column.

SackAttack
02-27-2006, 05:33 PM
Your right, so if every single fan quit watching the NBA, do you think the owners would still pay the guy millions of dollars to play a game that no one will PAY to see?

Somehow, I suspect what the fans do in the other 29 cities wouldn't matter much to Cleveland's owner.

That said, the previous poster was right. The fans don't pay LeBron's salary. It's a common justification for "I have the right to get drunk and behave like a boor," but it simply isn't true.

At best, you're paying for the operating expenses of the arena, so if your money = right to do anything, that's complain that the seat's cupholders are too small.

TroyF
02-27-2006, 05:50 PM
Somehow, I suspect what the fans do in the other 29 cities wouldn't matter much to Cleveland's owner.

That said, the previous poster was right. The fans don't pay LeBron's salary. It's a common justification for "I have the right to get drunk and behave like a boor," but it simply isn't true.

At best, you're paying for the operating expenses of the arena, so if your money = right to do anything, that's complain that the seat's cupholders are too small.

Maybe so, but if you want to boo, go ahead. Unless you are cussing and being disrespectful to those around you, boo to your hearts content. Personally, I never boo. I don't see how it helps the "team" I'm cheering for. If they suck, they suck and booing isn't going to change it. If they are having a bad day, the player knows it and doesn't need me reminding him of it. Still, if a paying customer wants to boo, I have no issues with it.

I had an issue with two lines in the article:

Do you realize that 20 years from now, this will be known as the beginning of "The LeBron James Era," that all of the other great youngsters -- D. Wade, Bosh, Howard, Carmelo, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Amare -- will be viewed as supporting actors in his blockbuster, like Barkley, Ewing, Malone, Stockton, Olajuwon, Robinson, etc. are in relation to Jordan?

Why don't we let it play out first? The kids an amazing, amazing basketball player, but Wade, Bosh, Howard, Melo, Paul and Amare are also incredible players. We haven't seen the best from any of those individual players yet. Let's wait until we see some titles before we start talking about how everyone else is just living in Bron's world. If Bron does end up being the best of all time, that's great. I'll cheer for every second. But lets not give him that title before he's earned it.

Can we give LeBron a little time before we expect him to be as clutch as MJ?

I have a touch of an issue with this. I'm not sure you really grow into "clutchness". You either have it or you don't. You either want the ball when the clock is ticking down or you don't.

I watched Bron shoot an air ball from the FT line in a clutch situation this year. On the other hand, in Denver, I've watched Melo come up big nearly everytime the Nuggets needed a shot at the end of the game. (If you think I'm being a homer here, look at the stats of game tying or winning shots with 10 seconds or less, Melo is the best in the NBA in the last three years and there isn't a close second)

That's the one part of Bron's game that concerns me. When the clock was running down in the final minute, Jordan, Bird, Isiah, Magic, etc. all wanted the ball and all did something with it. (add Reggie Miller to that list) I haven't seen it from Bron yet. I hope I do, because he has raw talent that makes your jaw drop and he can be just what the NBA needs.

As for Melo, take a look at his position with the game winner the other night:



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Schmidty
02-27-2006, 06:00 PM
The fans don't pay his salaries - lets get over this oft-cited, and totally misguided conclusion.

Yeah they do, at least partly. Ticket sales, concessions, media products, memorabilia, jerseys, etc. Where does the money come from? The fans.

Now I know huge amounts of money come from other sources, such as television deals and such, but to dismiss the fans monetary contributions is ridiculous.

Greyroofoo
02-27-2006, 06:07 PM
wouldn't have TV deals either if FANS didn't watch the game. Fans pay these players salaries in one way or another.

Mantle2600
02-27-2006, 06:31 PM
I also never boo my players either, just like TroyF, but if people wanna boo a player, even if he is the best player in the city when he sucks it up in clutch situation, then let them.

He did have an amazing first half, which is where alot of those numbers for that game came from, and i'd hate to see him leave Cleveland, as he's easily my favorite player in all the sports, but if he does i'm not gonna sit here and cry about it and say "damn, if they didnt boo him that one night he'd still be here."

Jonathan Ezarik
02-27-2006, 06:37 PM
Do you realize how many people, both inside and outside of the NBA, would love to see LeBron go to a bigger, sexier market? Do you realize he could go to Orlando and play with Dwight Howard or to Toronto to play with Chris Bosh for the next 15 years?

Orlando and Toronto are bigger and sexier markets than Cleveland (does anyone from Cleveland actually refer to it as C-Town?)?

Now im as big a LBJ fan as there is

I'm not. I had high hopes for his Great Society, but then he got us bogged down in Vietnam. Talk about wasted potential.

jeff061
02-27-2006, 06:41 PM
It does seem rather absurd to be booing LeBron, the way he's been playing and what he accomplished for this team before he was even of legal age to drink, not to mention the class act he seems to be. Even BoSox fans would give him a free pass unless he started saying stupid things to the media.