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rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:01 PM
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CHRONICLES INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENT

The Terror Enigma: Israel and the September 11 Connection
by Justin Raimondo

“Remember 9/11!” is the rallying cry of the War Party; what we are remembering, however, is a half-truth. It is time to draw the curtain on the largely ignored prehistory of September 11. Although Bush-administration officials deny that they had even a hint of what was to come, government agencies were literally awash with warnings from the intelligence services of other nations—including the British, the French, the Germans, the Russians, the Argentines, the Israelis, the Egyptians, the Moroccans, and the Jordanians.

The Israelis had warned us in August 2001, when they sent a delegation to Washington, handed over a list of 19 individuals in the United States whom they believed to be planning terrorist activities, and issued a nonspecific warning that a major terrorist attack was afoot. Yet there are indications that the Mossad knew about Muhammad Atta and his gang long before they let U.S. law enforcement in on the secret.

In the months before September 11, the Mossad had launched a major covert operation in the United States, involving hundreds of agents who not only kept a close watch on the terrorists but may have effectively blinded U.S. antiterrorism investigators to the activities of Al Qaeda in the United States. The evidence can be found in the U.S. government’s own documents, leaked by its own employees, and in its public pronouncements before the decision was made to quash this story at any cost.

In March 2001, the National Counterintelligence Center—whose mandate empowers it to identify and assess possible threats to U.S. national security—posted the following warning on its website:

In the past six weeks, employees in federal office buildings located throughout the United States have reported suspicious activities connected with individuals representing themselves as foreign students selling or delivering artwork. Employees have observed both males and females attempting to bypass facility security and enter federal buildings. If challenged, the individuals state that they are delivering artwork from a studio in Miami, Florida, called Universal Art, Inc, or that they are art students and are looking for opinions regarding their work. These individuals have been described as aggressive. They attempt to engage employees in conversation rather than giving a sales pitch.

The NCIC warned that “these individuals have also gone to the private residences of senior federal officials under the guise of selling art.” How they discovered the home addresses of these senior officials, the NCIC did not say. At that point, two of the “students” had been arrested for immigration violations: The suspects possessed counterfeit immigration papers and identification. Later, many more would be picked up—nearly 200—and summarily deported to their country of origin: Israel.

The NCIC alert was the earliest premonition, some six months before the event, of September 11. It was the first known instance—and possibly the last—in which the “antiterrorism” apparatus set up by the U.S. government actually worked, to some extent. The NCIC ended its warning with what turned out to be an accurate assessment of the threat:

Other reporting indicates that there may be two groups involved, and they refer to themselves as “Israeli art students.” One group has an apparently legitimate money-making goal while the second, perhaps a non-Israeli group, may have ties to a Middle Eastern Islamic fundamentalist group. Federal employees observing any activity similar to that described above should report their observations to appropriate security officials.

And report they did. Indeed, so many accounts of Israeli “art student” sightings poured in, from such a wide variety of federal agencies, that they were compiled in a secret government dossier. Their mode of operation was always the same: They would enter a U.S. federal facility, even some that were unmarked, and make their pitch, aggressively seeking entry through back doors and generally acting as if they were casing the joint. Since the nation’s frontline fighters in the “War on Drugs” had, for some reason, attracted the particular attention of these “art students,” this document, which only came to light after September 11, seems to have been compiled and written up by the internal security unit of the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), in cooperation with the Immigration and Naturalization Service, sometime in summer 2001. (See “Suspicious Activities Involving Israeli Art Students.”)

The incidents had occurred “since at least the beginning of 2000” and increased in November: After April 2001, “the number of reported incidents . . . declined[;] however, the geographic spread of the incidents” was extended “to Wisconsin, Oklahoma, and Los Angeles.” In addition to visiting DEA offices, these “art students” also descended on a number of other law-enforcement and Department of Defense facilities across the continental United States. The majority of recorded incidents, however, seem to have occurred in the southern half of the country, with the epicenter of activity located in southern Florida. Investigators associated with the DEA’s Office of Security Programs apparently became convinced that, as the report put it:

The nature of the individuals’ conduct, combined with intelligence information and historical information regarding past incidents involving Israeli Organized Crime, leads us to believe the incidents may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity.

These were no ordinary Israeli “tourists,” as they claimed when confronted. While all Israelis must serve some time in the military, an unusually high proportion of these “students” were deployed in elite units. The DEA report lists name, rank, and serial number: Itay Simon, Marina Glickman, and Dilka Borenstein are all described as former members of Israeli military intelligence. Zeev Miller is identified as a “combat engineer,” and Ofir Navron is a “bomb disposal expert.” Aran Ofek, the son of a two-star Israeli general, was apprehended in Dallas. Taken together, their credentials are impressive: “intelligence officer,” “electronic intercept operator,” “special forces,” “demolition/explosive ordnance expert.”

A group of Israelis was picked up by the FBI after being spotted in Liberty State Park in Jersey City, New Jersey, laughing and high-fiving one another as the World Trade Center burned on the other side of the river. A story by Paulo Lima in the Bergen, New Jersey, Record (September 12, 2002) describes how five men—“Israeli tourists”—were picked up eight hours after the WTC attack, “carrying maps linking them to the blasts”:

[S]ources close to the investigation said they found other evidence linking the men to the bombing plot.

There are maps of the city in the car with certain places highlighted,” the source said. “It looked like they’re hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”

Lima reports that the five “tourists” had been picked up after local police received the following alert from the FBI:

Vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack. White, 2000 Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration with “Urban Moving Systems” sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center. Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

These reports attracted little if any notice. Not long after, however, the whole operation began to surface in major media. On November 23, 2001, the Washington Post ran a story by John Mintz detailing how, along with the 1,000 or so Muslim Middle Easterners jailed in the Ashcroft sweep, 60 Israelis had been picked up and held, not just for routine visa violations, but in connection with the September 11 investigation. The Post’s subhead read: “Government calls Several Cases ‘of Special Interest,’ Meaning Related to Post-Attacks Investigation.”

According to Mintz’s account, INS officials in Cleveland and St. Louis testified in court that these Israelis were “of special interest to the government”—putting them in the same category as hundreds of mostly Arab men rounded up by the feds since the attacks.

Over the next eight or nine months, the rest of the story would come out, though it would be obscured by denials and submerged by an oddly indifferent media. “It is rather strange,” remarked Jane’s Defense Intelligence Digest (March 13, 2002), “that the US media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks—the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.” (The Post’s story blandly assured readers that the Israeli detainees were “observing a time-honored tradition in their country—touring the world after their mandatory service in the Israeli military,” although Mintz did note that “a number of them had served in counterterrorist units in Israel.”)

On December 11, 2001, Fox News ran the first in a series of investigative reports that blew the whistle on a vast Israeli spy network operating on American soil—and openly posed the question of whether the Israelis had foreknowledge of September 11. According to Jane’s, what is striking about Fox News reporter Carl Cameron’s portrait of Israel’s spy network in the U.S. is the sheer vastness of his subject. The broad scope of the operation, with its many fronts and activities conducted from coast to coast, had all the aspects of a major military campaign. In the months leading up to 9/11, Cameron claimed, Israel was waging a covert war against its principal ally and benefactor, the United States.

Over four nights, Cameron reported the myriad details of Israel’s far-flung underground army in the United States. He noted that some of the 60 detainees arrested in the wake of September 11 were active Israeli military officers. Some had failed polygraph tests when they were asked about “surveillance activities against and in the United States.”

Cameron showed how the Mossad had thoroughly penetrated top-secret communications systems. He cited veteran law-enforcement agents afraid for their jobs if they questioned Israel’s role. What really caught the attention of viewers, however, was the following statement from his first broadcast:

There is no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9-11 attacks, but investigators suspect that the Israelis may have gathered intelligence about the attacks in advance, and not shared it. A highly placed investigator said there are—quote—“tie-ins.” But when asked for details, he flatly refused to describe them, saying—quote—“evidence linking these Israelis to 9-11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

Cameron’s bombshell should have provoked a frenzy of media interest and calls for an official investigation. That no such call was ever made is a story in itself.

In the first part of his report, Cameron focuses on a single aspect of a multilayered Israeli intelligence operation that became increasingly visible in the months preceding September 11:

Numerous classified documents obtained by Fox News indicate that even prior to September 11, as many as 140 other Israelis had been detained or arrested in a secretive and sprawling investigation into suspected espionage by Israelis in the United States. Investigators from numerous government agencies are part of a working group that’s been compiling evidence since the mid-90s. These documents detail hundreds of incidents in cities and towns across the country that investigators say—quote—“may well be an organized intelligence gathering activity.”

These documents included a 60-page report compiled by a number of federal agencies. In the gray, matter-of-fact bureaucratese so typical of a government document, the “Israeli Art Student Papers”—leaked some months later—confirmed Cameron’s contention that a nationwide underground apparatus of Israeli agents, centered in Florida and Texas, carried out extensive operations in the months leading up to September 11. Their targets included the DEA; the INS; the Federal Protective Service; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms; the Federal Bureau of Investigation; a host of state and federal courthouses and other buildings; and military bases.

The leaked document describes in excruciating detail the doggedly persistent efforts of Israelis claiming to be “art students” to get into the offices and even the homes of federal law-enforcement agents and government officials.

A March 5, 2002, article in Le Monde by Sylvain Cypel was more specific: “More than a third of these ‘students’ claimed residence in Florida,” and “at least five were intercepted in Hollywood [Florida], and two in Fort Lauderdale.” Cypel points out the proximity of the two cities and reminds us that “at least 10 of the 19 terrorists of 9/11 were residing in Florida.” Hollywood, a town of some 25,000 souls, north of Miami, was a major nexus of Israel’s spy network and the Muslim terrorist cell responsible for September 11:

Four of the five members of the group that diverted American Airlines flight number 11—Mohammed Atta, Abdulaziz Al-Omari, Walid and Waïl Al-Shehri, as well as one of the five terrorists of United flight 175, Marwan Al-Shehhi—resided all at various times in . . . Hollywood, Florida. As for Ahmed Fayez, Ahmed and Hamza Al-Ghamdi and Mohand Al-Shehri, who took over United flight 75, like Saïd Al-Ghamdi, Ahmed Al-Haznawi and Ahmed Al-Nami, of United flight 93 which crashed September 11 in Pennsylvania, and Nawaq Al-Hamzi, of AA flight 77 (crashed into the Pentagon), they all at one time resided at Delray Beach, in the north of Fort Lauderdale.

The most logical assumption is that the Israelis were engaged in a large-scale intelligence-gathering operation on Islamic terrorist cells in the United States.

Another important piece of the puzzle is found in an October 14, 2002, article by Oliver Schröm in the German weekly Die Zeit. Schröm writes:

Not until after the attacks of September 11 did the consequences of the spy ring become clear. Apparently the agents were not interested in military or industrial facilities, but were shadowing a number of suspects, who were later involved in the terrorist attacks against the U.S. According to a report of the French intelligence agency that Die Zeit examined, “according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells.”

The Mossad was particularly interested in Muhammad Atta, the terrorist leader, and Marwan al-Shehi, who lived in Hollywood, Florida. Die Zeit reports that the Mossad was watching the terrorist leader and his chief accomplices very closely:

Everything indicates that the terrorists were constantly observed by the Israelis. The chief Israeli agent was staying right near the post office where the terrorists had a mailbox. The Mossad also had its sights on Atta’s accomplice Khalid al-Midhar, with whom the CIA was also familiar, but allowed to run free.

The title of the Die Zeit piece—“Next Door to Mohammed Atta”—may be a bit of an overstatement, however. As Schröm writes:

[Muhammad Atta and Marwan al-Shehi] lived in Hamburg before they settled in Hollywood, Florida[,] in order to plan the attacks. A Mossad team was also operating in the same town. The leader, Hanan Serfati, had rented several dwellings. “One of Serfati’s apartments was located on the corner of 701st St. and 21st Ave. [sic] in Hollywood, right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi,” French intelligence reported later.

There is just one problem: There is no 701st Street and 21stAvenue in Hollywood, Florida. Serfati’s rental was at 701 South 21st Street, about a half-mile from Atta’s 1818 Jackson Street address. Serfati rented several apartments in the area, however, and one could easily have been “next door to Mohammed Atta” and his confederates, who moved around quite a bit. In addition, the geographical congruity of the Israeli “art students” and the hijacking conspirators was not limited to South Florida, as John Sugg has pointed out in a March 20, 2002, piece for the Weekly Planet:

Many of the apparent operatives had set up shop at addresses only stones’ throws from Arabs in San Diego, Little Rock, Irving, Texas, and in South Florida. The Planet also has obtained a watch list of mostly Arabs under scrutiny by the U.S. government. The addresses of many correspond to the specific areas where the Israelis established bases.

While the Israelis were closely observing Atta and his friends, they did not inform the U.S. government what they were up to until August 2001: Der Spiegel reported (October 1, 2002) that they handed over a list of 19 terrorist suspects, with at least four of the hijackers on it, “a few weeks before” September 11, but the federal government says that the warning was for attacks “outside the United States.”

The warning was nonspecific, indicating only that these were potential terrorists. And there are other discrepancies thatcloud the picture of Israeli cooperation in this matter. If the Israelis had decided in August to come clean with the information they had, why were federal agents still arresting and detaining our “partners” in the “War on Terrorism” in late November and early December?


Intereting article. Thoughts?

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 05:08 PM
Skimming the article, is it really implying that 9/11 was Israel's fault?

Buccaneer
03-04-2006, 05:16 PM
Reminds me of Pearl Harbor, which ended up being FDR's fault.

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:18 PM
Skimming the article, is it really implying that 9/11 was Israel's fault?

What I take from it is that there was at the very least knowledge of what was to happen.

Not very hard to believe.

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 05:19 PM
Intelligence failures are not the reason 9/11 happened. It's like saying a girl got raped because she didn't take a self-defense course. A self-defense course might possibly have helped prevent the rape, but let's not forget the real culprit.

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 05:20 PM
What I take from it is that there was at the very least knowledge of what was to happen.

Not very hard to believe.

I find it as plausible as a claim that the Earth is flat.

jeff061
03-04-2006, 05:21 PM
I read articles like this for the comedic value.

hxxp://www.whatreallyhappened.com

Why not enjoy it every day?

JonInMiddleGA
03-04-2006, 05:22 PM
... but let's not forget the real culprit.

Bite your tongue. That's exactly what we're supposed to do, blame everyone except those responsible.

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:32 PM
Intelligence failures are not the reason 9/11 happened.

You're right. US intelligence is spot on.

Sidenote: Let's not even mention that the government would never manufacture an attack or lie to start a war! Never!

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 05:35 PM
You're right. US intelligence is spot on.

Sidenote: Let's not even mention that the government would never manufacture an attack or lie to start a war! Never!

ok, Jesse

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:42 PM
ok, Jesse

Which point do you disagree with? Intelligence or Government manufacturing incidents to spark conflict?

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 05:44 PM
There's nothing to disagree with. I find the article preposterous, not thought provoking. When you ask an interesting question I'll let you know.

EagleFan
03-04-2006, 05:47 PM
You're right. US intelligence is spot on.

Sidenote: Let's not even mention that the government would never manufacture an attack or lie to start a war! Never!


I think the tin foil hat you are wearing is a bit too tight and cutting off blood flow to the brain.

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:47 PM
There's nothing to disagree with. I find the article preposterous, not thought provoking. When you ask an interesting question I'll let you know.

Why is it preposterous?

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:50 PM
I think the tin foil hat you are wearing is a bit too tight and cutting off blood flow to the brain.

What exactly do you disagree with? That there was more than likely knowledge that this was going to happen?

bronconick
03-04-2006, 05:51 PM
So, is the claim that the Israelis knew of terrorists and possible attacks in the United States, and purposely kept it from us and misled our intelligence agencies long enough for the attacks to have a likelihood for success.....to do what? To cause us to start a war to wipe out the Arabs in response so they don't have to?

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/images/smilies/confused.gif

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 05:56 PM
So, is the claim that the Israelis knew of terrorists and possible attacks in the United States, and purposely kept it from us and misled our intelligence agencies long enough for the attacks to have a likelihood for success.....to do what? To cause us to start a war to wipe out the Arabs in response so they don't have to?

I don't think the article is making claims other than it's very possible the Israeli's knew this was going to happen.

Klinglerware
03-04-2006, 06:28 PM
The article sounds a bit over-embellished. But in terms of real-world:
- allies don't necessarily have convergent interests
- allies conduct intelligence operations on each other as a matter of course

While holding Israel responsible for 9/11 is over the top, it would not be surprising if the Israelis did conduct at least moderate-scale intelligence ops in the US. If they did uncover a terror plot against the US, I don't think they would be under any obligation to notify the US government; a country's first priority is to protect it's own intelligence operations.

Dutch
03-04-2006, 06:47 PM
Intelligence failures are not the reason 9/11 happened. It's like saying a girl got raped because she didn't take a self-defense course. A self-defense course might possibly have helped prevent the rape, but let's not forget the real culprit.
Well put.

Blade6119
03-04-2006, 06:52 PM
Sidenote: Let's not even mention that the government would never manufacture an attack or lie to start a war! Never!
Government manufacturing incidents to spark conflict?
Are you really implying the US created 9/11, or purposely did not prevent 9/11 from happening to have a reason to go to war?

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 07:06 PM
Intelligence failures are not the reason 9/11 happened. It's like saying a girl got raped because she didn't take a self-defense course. A self-defense course might possibly have helped prevent the rape, but let's not forget the real culprit.

BTW, who is the real culprit?

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 07:07 PM
Are you really implying the US created 9/11, or purposely did not prevent 9/11 from happening to have a reason to go to war?

No, I don't believe the government would lie to it's citizens.

:cough:Gulf of Tonkin:cough:
:cough:USS Maine:cough:

Blade6119
03-04-2006, 07:10 PM
No, I don't believe the government would lie to it's citizens.

:cough:Gulf of Tonkin:cough:
:cough:USS Maine:cough:
I dont doubt the government lies...im just a little taken back you think they went out of their way to let it happen, or manufactured such an attack themselves...i find that utter madness

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 07:15 PM
I dont doubt the government lies...im just a little taken back you think they went out of their way to let it happen, or manufactured such an attack themselves...i find that utter madness

I think "utter madness" is taking it a bit far. Again, see: the past.

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 07:16 PM
I know you don't want to believe this, but the USS Maddox WAS attacked by the North Vietnamese, not the US of A, and most historians believe that the USS Maine blew up because of mechanical problems, not malicious intent on the US government. At the time, it was pretty reasonable to believe it had been struck by a mine, even by the US government.

But, of course, from time to time, our government lies to us, and we should not accept that. Still, it will take a whole hell of a lot more than this to get me to even contemplate the possibility that the US government was somehow responsible for 9/11.

The continued double standard that Israel gets subjected to absolutely boggles my imagination.

bhlloy
03-04-2006, 07:20 PM
The article sounds a bit over-embellished. But in terms of real-world:
- allies don't necessarily have convergent interests
- allies conduct intelligence operations on each other as a matter of course

While holding Israel responsible for 9/11 is over the top, it would not be surprising if the Israelis did conduct at least moderate-scale intelligence ops in the US. If they did uncover a terror plot against the US, I don't think they would be under any obligation to notify the US government; a country's first priority is to protect it's own intelligence operations.

This is a very good point, I'm sure the US intelligence services routinely withhold information that would save thousands of lives elsewhere in the world. If US intelligence wasn't on the ball, no way in a million years the Israeli's are going to compromise their own agents and intelligence gathering abilities. It sucks balls, but I'd imagine that it's the same for any two nations on earth. Even the closest of allies.

I agree with the notion that intelligence could never of stopped an attack along these lines somewhere in the US for whatever reasons. There do appear to be a couple of nagging things that suggest that they might have been able to stop this particular one though.

Rexall - you cannot seriously be suggesting that the US government organized 9/11 right? Lying is one thing, hiring a group of muslim extremists to fly 4 planes and kill thousands of Americans on American soil is another thing altogether. And then keeping it completely quiet of course. I mean do you have any idea about the number of people who would have to be in the know?

Blade6119
03-04-2006, 07:22 PM
Im still a little stunned he suggests the US government organized 9/11

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 07:27 PM
Rexall - you cannot seriously be suggesting that the US government organized 9/11 right? Lying is one thing, hiring a group of muslim extremists to fly 4 planes and kill thousands of Americans on American soil is another thing altogether. And then keeping it completely quiet of course. I mean do you have any idea about the number of people who would have to be in the know?

I don't believe the US Gov. was behind it, but I don't believe it impossible that certain people knew.

CraigSca
03-04-2006, 07:27 PM
Osama knew, as did the terrorists perpetrating the act. I guess I agree.

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 07:34 PM
I know you don't want to believe this, but the USS Maddox WAS attacked by the North Vietnamese, not the US of A, and most historians believe that the USS Maine blew up because of mechanical problems, not malicious intent on the US government. At the time, it was pretty reasonable to believe it had been struck by a mine, even by the US government.

I believe that the Maddox was attacked by NV, at least once anyways, but the details around that are pretty darn shaky. hxxp://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/essay.htm

Point was that the government manufactures incidents and manipulates to start wars. The USS Maine was one, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident was another.


But, of course, from time to time, our government lies to us, and we should not accept that. Still, it will take a whole hell of a lot more than this to get me to even contemplate the possibility that the US government was somehow responsible for 9/11.

I don't think we're directly responsible for it. Obviously, Atta and his cast of characters + AQ figures are directly responsible.

The continued double standard that Israel gets subjected to absolutely boggles my imagination.

Double-standard? Which would that be?

JonInMiddleGA
03-04-2006, 07:39 PM
And Jesse was labeled a troll ... sheesh.

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 07:40 PM
Double-standard? Which would that be?

The short version is "every bad thing that happens in the mideast is Israel's fault."

Dutch
03-04-2006, 08:05 PM
Point was that the government manufactures incidents and manipulates to start wars. The USS Maine was one, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident was another.
The government manufactured the USS Maine incident, eh?

They apparently didn't send the memo to the Navy to ensure blame fell on the Spanish.
The navy conducted an investigation into the cause of the disaster, but it never discovered who was responsible for the explosion.
Evidence as to the cause of the explosion was inconclusive and contradictory, but the American press, led by the two New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City) papers, proclaimed that this was certainly a despicable act of sabotage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabotage) by the Spaniards. The press aroused the public to demand war, with the slogan "Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain!". This chauvinistic belligerent feeling became known as jingoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingoism), a British expression first coined in 1878.

U.S. President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) William McKinley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McKinley) was not inclined towards war, and had long held out against intervention, but the Maine explosion so forcefully shaped public opinion that he had to agree.

So history suggests the media had more influence in starting the Spanish American War than any other cause. Instead of reporting the facts, they reported what they thought would stir up controversy and sell newspapers. Much hasn't changed has it?

http://www.smplanet.com/imperialism/remember.html


<TABLE cellPadding=4 width="95%"><TBODY><TR><TD width=390>The American press, however, had no doubts about who was responsible for sinking the Maine. It was the cowardly Spanish, they cried. William Randolph Hearst's New York Journal even published pictures. They showed how Spanish saboteurs had fastened an underwater mine to the Maine and had detonated it from shore.</TD></TR><TR><TD width=390>As one of the few sources of public information, newspapers had reached unprecedented influence and importance. Journalistic giants, such as Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer of the World, viciously competed for the reader's attention. They were determined to reach a daily circulation of a million people, and they didn't mind fabricating stories in order to reach their goal. </TD></TR><TR><TD width=390>They competed in other ways as well. The World was the first newspaper to introduce colored comics, and the Journal immediately copied it. The two papers often printed the same comics under different titles. One of these involved the adventures of "The Yellow Kid," a little boy who always wore a yellow gown. Since color presses were new in the 1890s, the finished product was not always perfect. The colors, especially the Yellow Kid's costume, often smeared. Soon people were calling the World, the Journal, and other papers like them "the yellow press." "They colored the funnies," some said, "but they colored the news as well."</TD></TR><TR><TD width=390>A minor revolt in Cuba against the Spanish colonial government provided a colorful topic. For months now the papers had been painting in lurid detail the horrors of Cuban life under oppressive Spanish rule. The Spanish had confined many Cubans to concentration camps. The press called them "death camps." Wild stories with screaming headlines -- Spanish Cannibalism, Inhuman Torture, Amazon Warriors Fight For Rebels -- flooded the newsstands. Newspapers sent hundreds of reporters, artists, and photographers south to recount Spanish atrocities. The correspondents, including such notables as author Stephen Crane and artist Frederick Remington, found little to report on when they arrived.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

"There is no war," Remington wrote to his boss. "Request to be recalled."

Remington's boss, William Randolph Hearst, sent a cable in reply: "Please remain. You furnish the pictures, I'll furnish the war." Hearst was true to his word. For weeks after the Maine disaster, the Journal devoted more than eight pages a day to the story. Not to be outdone, other papers followed Hearst's lead. Hundreds of editorials demanded that the Maine and American honor be avenged. Many Americans agreed. Soon a rallying cry could be heard everywhere -- in the papers, on the streets, and in the halls of Congress: "Remember the Maine! To hell with Spain."

Rizon
03-04-2006, 08:51 PM
The government can't even get my mail right.

Glengoyne
03-04-2006, 09:01 PM
I think the tin foil hat you are wearing is a bit too tight and cutting off blood flow to the brain.See Now this is the kind of response the the author of that article and those that buy into it are deserving of.

Glengoyne
03-04-2006, 09:02 PM
Oh that and

By Line Aljazeera ?

Glengoyne
03-04-2006, 09:05 PM
I don't believe the US Gov. was behind it, but I don't believe it impossible that certain people knew.
I'm want a tin cap too.


Who do you suspect might have known, and to what end would they have witheld that information?

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 10:29 PM
So history suggests the media had more influence in starting the Spanish American War than any other cause. Instead of reporting the facts, they reported what they thought would stir up controversy and sell newspapers. Much hasn't changed has it?

You blame the media more than anyone I've ever seen.

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 10:32 PM
Who do you suspect might have known, and to what end would they have witheld that information?

I think it's already been established in regards to who benefits from a war.

EagleFan
03-04-2006, 10:34 PM
You blame the media more than anyone I've ever seen.


So in a world according to rex:

blame government = good
blame media = bad


Just making sure I've got things straight.


I guess blaming the governemt is the best way to get some sort of attention...

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 10:35 PM
So in a world according to rex:

blame government = good
blame media = bad


Just making sure I've got things straight.


I guess blaming the governemt is the best way to get some sort of attention...

I don't think blaming the media is bad. I think that blaming media for the ills of our country and/or pretending the government is beholding to the demands of the media is weak, though.

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 10:37 PM
Rex, I'm curious: If we are to accept this article at face value, are you suggesting anything should be done?

hoosiergoody
03-04-2006, 10:45 PM
what was the country song- not talking about "politics, religion, and her"? 99.9% of the time I stay out of the politics stuff, but c'mon- get past the blame of who done it and keep it from happening again.

Media is a problem. Good or bad, it has grown so that everything is now a story, and media makes it into what they need to to get ratings. Not saying that this happens all the time, but it does happen.

Get Osama and keep our freedom!

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 10:51 PM
Rex, I'm curious: If we are to accept this article at face value, are you suggesting anything should be done?

If I'm considering this article only? Nothing really. Personally, I just think that there's a lot more to the story that we haven't been told. I have a feeling we may look back on this in 30 years like many look back on the JFK scenario.

If Israel knew and didn't tell us, that's not really their problem (like others have mentioned, we've probably done the same thing, and I can't say I would necessarily be upset with that) - although it should certainly tell us a lot about them (and wake us up), and I would hope would influence our decision to support them so blindly.

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Get Osama and keep our freedom!

Get Osama, protect the borders, and restore our freedom!

st.cronin
03-04-2006, 10:56 PM
If I'm considering this article only? Nothing really. Personally, I just think that there's a lot more to the story that we haven't been told. I have a feeling we may look back on this in 30 years like many look back on the JFK scenario.

If Israel knew and didn't tell us, that's not really their problem (like others have mentioned, we've probably done the same thing, and I can't say I would necessarily be upset with that) - although it should certainly tell us a lot about them (and wake us up), and I would hope would influence our decision to support them so blindly.

I suspected your answer would contain those two phrases. You need to step away from the anti-Israel propaganda, it's making you look foolish (see tin foil comments, etc.).

kcchief19
03-04-2006, 11:00 PM
I'm surprised no one has brought this up give how much this group loves its research. Chronicles Magazine is the official publication of something called the Rockford Institute, which is dedicated to the "preservation and expansion of Western Christian culture." Something about that phrasig gives me chills.

Plus this article is 2 1/2 years old, so we're not really ucovering fresh ground.

Flasch186
03-04-2006, 11:05 PM
im sleeping

rexallllsc
03-04-2006, 11:09 PM
I suspected your answer would contain those two phrases. You need to step away from the anti-Israel propaganda, it's making you look foolish (see tin foil comments, etc.).

anti-Israeli? More like pro-US.

Dutch
03-05-2006, 12:54 AM
I don't think blaming the media is bad. I think that blaming media for the ills of our country and/or pretending the government is beholding to the demands of the media is weak, though.The case of the USS Maine, the Media, and the Spanish-American War are very real. You brought up the USS Maine and then blamed it on the US Goverment. Not me. I was simply correcting your error.

cthomer5000
03-05-2006, 01:08 AM
The only borderline "conspiray" aspect that I believe is that the Pennsylvania flight was shot down, which I don't think is that rididculous a belief.

Glengoyne
03-05-2006, 01:28 AM
The only borderline "conspiray" aspect that I believe is that the Pennsylvania flight was shot down, which I don't think is that rididculous a belief.That was my thought that day. I'm fairly well convinced now that that wasn't the case. Eye witness accounts and then the released cockpit recordings point to the plane going down without missle fire.

Rex,
I really don't see how private enterprise...that is who you are saying is profiting from a war, right?... is in a position where they would know anything. Or are you saying that Bush and Co allowed the attack to take place so their cronies and ostensibly they themselves could profit?

panerd
03-05-2006, 01:56 AM
The only borderline "conspiray" aspect that I believe is that the Pennsylvania flight was shot down, which I don't think is that rididculous a belief.

That one wouldn't shock me either. I always felt that at the time the government thought it would be too horrific to admit that we shot down a place of our citizens, never thinking that hindsight would prove the American public sympathetic to killing 100's to save thousands.

I have never bought much into any 9-11, Waco, Oklahoma City, or JFK conspiracies but I am always weary about TWA flight 800. I put that at about 50/50 that something other than the NTSB's conclusion actually happened. (Terrorists or US Navy accident) Way to much fuzzy info there for me to completely trust the government on that one.

rexallllsc
03-05-2006, 03:59 AM
The case of the USS Maine, the Media, and the Spanish-American War are very real. You brought up the USS Maine and then blamed it on the US Goverment. Not me. I was simply correcting your error.

Who declared war on Spain? The US or the US Media?

rexallllsc
03-05-2006, 04:02 AM
Rex,
I really don't see how private enterprise...that is who you are saying is profiting from a war, right?... is in a position where they would know anything. Or are you saying that Bush and Co allowed the attack to take place so their cronies and ostensibly they themselves could profit?

Didn't say private enterprise.

I don't so much buy into the Halliburton conspiracy theories, etc.

I don't think this was a widespread, massive conspiracy. I do, however, believe some people knew...

jeff061
03-05-2006, 10:00 AM
You, like all loony conspiracy nuts, give the government way to much credit. I can't believe you are still going on about this.

SFL Cat
03-05-2006, 10:15 AM
What I take from it is that there was at the very least knowledge of what was to happen.

Not very hard to believe.

I blame Tom Clancy. In his 1994 novel, Debt of Honor, a fuel-laden plane is hijacked by a terrorist and intentionally flown into the Capitol building in Washington, D.C. killing the President and most of Congress.

I'm telling you, Tom Clancy knew something..... :eek:

We need a Congressional Hearing to find out what he knew...and when....and how....and what....and....ad nauseum.

jeff061
03-05-2006, 10:20 AM
Or maybe we should just detain him as an enemy combatant.

gstelmack
03-05-2006, 10:28 AM
Who declared war on Spain? The US or the US Media?
Public pressure created by the media forced the war. We're a democracy (well, a republic), remember?

Edit: Plus, you're using this as evidence that the government lies and manipulates in order to CREATE a war, yet you are ignoring evidence that the government tried its best to AVOID a war.

rexallllsc
03-05-2006, 01:25 PM
Public pressure created by the media forced the war. We're a democracy (well, a republic), remember?

Edit: Plus, you're using this as evidence that the government lies and manipulates in order to CREATE a war, yet you are ignoring evidence that the government tried its best to AVOID a war.

Which war are you speaking of?

gstelmack
03-05-2006, 01:46 PM
Which war are you speaking of?
Okay, so you are a troll. Now that that is established, I'll be off.

Ryche
03-05-2006, 06:21 PM
That the WTC could be attacked again was something I think everyone knew.

And I'm pretty sure Israel has spies in every country to which they have ties, which is part of the reason they have one of the world's best intelligence services. Even more shocking, I bet the US has spies in pretty much every nation as well, including Israel.

And a little research into the Rockford Institute that published the initial article makes me view anything they would publish as questionable at best.

sterlingice
03-09-2006, 03:31 AM
Ok, so I'm just catching up with a thread a couple of days in my back bookmarks, but I found the story at least a little interesting. Didn't stop the thread from devolving quickly into crap, tho. :( Klingerware and bhlloy had the only even semi-intelligent posts until near the end of the first page (then some like kcchief, panerd, Ryche, etc- chipped in some stuff of value).

Again, it was midly interesting, nothing really inflamatory but a bunch of people (who didn't even read the article, geez) start spinning how there's no way 9/11 was because of Israel, the terrorists were the real culprits, etc- stuff that the article didn't even talk about. I mean, geez, it was basically about how Israel likely had a network of spies in this country and they were scouting out the Islamic cells in the US. There's an implication that they knew about 9/11 in advance and only gave a vague warning to the US. That's it! There was no talk of them plotting along with the terrorists, no implication that the Israelis let it happen to get the US involved in war, nothing like that. It was that they were spying on them- granted in our country, but like was pointed out by Klingerware and bhlloy- if you're Israel, you worry about your own people first, allies next.

Read the damn story before jumping to a reactionary posture.

SI

WVUFAN
03-09-2006, 05:50 AM
Read the damn story before jumping to a reactionary posture.The article is inflammatory and intended to draw a link between 9/11 and Israel. It's "vague" because there's no real evidence from showing it, but it doesn't mean the article writer can't infer a greater connection. I did read the whole thing, and it's intent is very clear -- Israel AT THE VERY LEAST knew about the attack and did nothing to warn us. The intent is to create the notion that Israel was directly involved.

Before you accuse me of being "reactionary", you might want to read another article by this "journalist", which says plain as day Israel wanted the Iraqi war:

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8663

Maybe this will show the true intentions of this article.

JonInMiddleGA
03-09-2006, 05:52 AM
The intent is to create the notion that Israel was directly involved.

Ding Ding Ding.

st.cronin
03-09-2006, 12:00 PM
I would replace 'directly involved' with 'responsible' but that's picking at nits.