The Greatest Rock band ever

[Braggadocioussss]

In the week leading up to the Super Bowl the local classic rock radio station had a "Classic Rock Super Bowl" in which they would play 4-5 songs of two different bands each, then callers would decide which band they liked better and that band would advance in the tournament, or playoffs. Bands like Van Halen and Def Leppard squared off. In the end Floyd and Zepp went head to head. Unfortunately we have more Zepp-heads in the area than Floyd fans, and Zepp won. What a freaking 'jyp. Anyways I figured we could have the same type of thing. I guess a tournament of 32 bands would be good enough. If you guys an come up with some more then go for it. Here are some bands I figure we could include. Now this is Rock and Roll. No Beatles. The Beatles did not rock, they were a good pop band. Not Elvis, he was country. Just bands that F'ing rocked. I took a quick look at the spin top 50 Rock bands of all time and was disgusted by some of the bands they actualy considered to be Rock. Parliament? Are you kidding me? Public Enemy? You have to be joking right?

1. Pink Floyd
2. Guns n' Roses
3. Boston
4. Journey
5. Led Zeppelin
6. The Misfits
7. Bob Seger
8. TOOL
9. Metallica
10. Cream
11. Van Halen
12. Def Leppard
13. AC/DC
14. Fleetwood Mac
15. Alice in Chains
16. The Doors
17. U2
18. The Jimi Hendrix Experience
19. The Rolling Stones
20. KISS
21. The Who
22. Lynyrd Skynyrd
23. Billy Idol
24. Steppenwolf


I guess you guys can come up with another 8, 18, 28, or however many you like. I'm not too into the sonic youth scene, or bands like that. After we decide on a final list well have a tourney set up where we just match each band up with another one on one. Voting can go something like so.

Boston
over
Journey

Van Halen
over
AC/DC

We'll just add up the votes, say 50 people can vote per round (hopefuly this thing will go over well enough to get 50 per round), and we'll advance to the next.

[Fritz]

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[Braggadocioussss]

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[Fritz]

Good lord Bragg, you have no genitalia!

[Fritz]

dola,

and a uniboob

[Braggadocioussss]

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[Alf]

Red Hot Chilli Peppers

[Fritz]

Bragg,

My mistake. I did not realize your genitalia was on your face. What an odd genetic code you must have.

[cthomer5000]

you would include the misfits, but leave off the clash?

[clintl]

Elvis and the Beatles were every bit as much rock and roll artists as almost any band on your list. My guess is that you don't like them and are excluding them because you think they might win.

[Craptacular]

How about?

Aerosmith
John (Cougar) Mellencamp
Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
ZZ Top
Motley Crue

[Tarkus]

The Beatles were the greatest rock bad ever. Not even worth discussing anyone else. I guess that's the end of this thread.

Tarkus

[Easy Mac]

Journey? Boston?

Why don't you put Chicago up there, its like the same thing.

And where's the Rush love?

[Ksyrup]

After seeing them again last night and finally getting to meet them, #1 on my list was, is, and always will be:

KING'S X!

[clintl]

Not that I really want to participate that much, but:

Elvis Costello
The Ramones
Talking Heads
The Kinks
The Pretenders
The Dream Syndicate
The Velvet Underground
The New York Dolls
R.E.M.
The Pixies
Throwing Muses
Patti Smith
David Bowie
Siouxsie and the Banshees

[scooper]

uniboob?

[Craptacular]

Originally posted by Tarkus
The Beatles were the greatest rock bad ever. Not even worth discussing anyone else. I guess that's the end of this thread.

Tarkus

There are obviously enough people (myself included) that do not agree with that statement.

[Tarkus]

Originally posted by Craptacular
There are obviously enough people (myself included) that do not agree with that statement.
Then they obviously don't know squat about music. =)

Tarkus

[Lathum]

Bon Jovi and the rest of the hair bands?

[McSweeny]

the clash baby

[IMetTrentGreen]

uh, how about the rolling stones? no one else comes close

[Braggadocioussss]

Originally posted by clintl
Elvis and the Beatles were every bit as much rock and roll artists as almost any band on your list. My guess is that you don't like them and are excluding them because you think they might win.

Suggesting I dislike either one of those artists, especialy Elvis, is beyond sin. There is no doubt in my mind now. You will burn in hell.

[astralhaze]

So let me get this straight. Pink Floyd is rock and The Beatles aren't? And no Rolling Stones? Worst. Poll. Ever.

[sabotai]

The Beatles definatly were Rock and Roll. But they sucked...

Elvis was definatly Rock and Roll, and he is the King of Rock and Roll. But then again, Chuck Berry is the God of Rock and Roll.

I wouldn't say Elvis is country. Country evolved from Rock and Roll. Elvis is not country, but country derived a lot from Elvis and changed it around.

I agree with astral. Worst. Poll. Ever.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by sabotai
Country evolved from Rock and Roll.


Huh?

[Anrhydeddu]

Other way around.

God of Rock and Roll is Buddy Holly.

[mckerney]

Weezer?

[Patman]

Tool

[Braggadocioussss]

Originally posted by Braggadocioussss

19. The Rolling Stones


Other than the fact that I made up this list in about 3 minutes with bands off of the top of my head....who said I didn't mention the Stones? I love the stones.

[sabotai]

"Huh?"

Country evolved from Rock and Roll.

Buddy Holly is the demigod of Rock and Roll. There's not beating Chuck Berry. Chuck Berry is the only absolute in the universe. :)

[Braggadocioussss]

Country did NOT evolve from Rock n' Roll. Country evolved from Bluegrass. Which has been around since the 1800's. If anything Rock evolved from Country.

I don't care what you say, the Beatles did not rock. If you think the fab four rocked, then you have absolutely no idea what that word means. They made incredible music that has stood the test of time. I love listening to their records as much as the next person. However placing the Beatles anywhere outside of Pop is a mistake.

Elvis is Country. Listen to the other country artists of his time. They sound nearly identical to him.

Edit*

Floyd was definetely a Rock n' Roll band. Listen to "The Wall". You can't honestly say Pink Floyd wasn't a Rock n' Roll Icon.

[Fritz]

Bragg,

Think you must not be listening to the entire body of work put out by either Elvis or the Beatles.

sab,

Country was around a while before rock.

All Music (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=3:22:29|PM&sql=F0CTRY)

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edit: Bluegrass evolved from country, not the other way around.

[3ric]

What, no Nirvana? They aren't up there with AC/DC and Kiss, but they are top 10 at least.

[McSweeny]

i don't see why it matters what evolved from what or who rocked harder than what or what came first. All these lable are foolish. Music is music.

[Fritz]

Originally posted by McSweeny
Music is music.


even rap?

[sabotai]

Hmm, how about that. I never knew about Bluegrass music. Maybe because it sounds like some Uncle Jim Bob Joe sings on the porch of his hourse as he whittles. :)

I stand corrected.

Ok, fine, Elvis may sound like country back then, but he definatly had rock and roll influences. I still say Elvis should be included on any "Rock and Roll" list.

[TestAmenT]

All I can say is TestAmenT!!!!!!!!!!

Iron Maiden
Dream Theater
Black Label Society (Zakk Wyldes Book Of Shadows,etc)
'Tallica
Megadeth
Slayer

The list goes on.......

[Braggadocioussss]

Meh, I guess. I just can't imagine rocking out to any of the Kings tunes. I mean, there are just no air drums to play when "Love me tender" comes on.

[clintl]

Not only does country predate rock and roll by decades, but I think it's arguable that the first real rock and roll song was Hank Williams' "Move It On Over", which predated the movement by 7 or 8 years. Early rock and roll was really a hybrid of country and blues.

[Braggadocioussss]

Oh, I almost forgot the greatest rocker of all time.

Yngwie Malmstien

"You've unleashed the fucking fury!"

[sabotai]

Two Words. Burnin Love. Tow more words. Hound Dog.

And Yngwie Malmstien needs to be everyone's #1.

[Tarkus]

Okay, since you guys didn't take my word for it, maybe this will help.

"The impact of the Beatles - not only on rock & roll but on Western culture - is simply incalculable. As musicians, they proved that rock & roll could embrace a limitless variety of harmonies, structures and sounds; virtually every rock experiment has some precedent on Beatle records."
"Although many of their sales and attendance records have since been surpassed, no group has so radically transformed the sound and meaning of rock & roll."

- Rolling Stone Encyclopedia of Rock and Roll

Now, can we end this? :p

Tarkus

P.S. Oooh, the smilies are back!

[sabotai]

Tarkus,

I would just like to add, the Beatles sucked. Thank you, that's all. :)

[lcjjdnh]

If you don't think the Beatles are rock than you really have not listened to all their music. I suggest picking up the White Album if you want to here their heaviest rock. How can you listen to Helter Skelter and tell me the Beatles are not rock and roll?

[gnome]

Dream Theater
Symphony X

[Iceberg]

The beatles are pop. That doesnt mean that they are not the greatest pop band of all time and possibly the greatest band of all time but they did not rock even on the white album.

[Fritz]

explain the difference between rock and pop please

[clintl]

The Beatles were one of the hardest rocking bands in the world during their early years. And whether you want to admit it or not, almost every band of any merit (including the Stones) followed their lead in the late '60s. In any case, they rocked as hard or harder than quite few bands on Bragg's original list, including:

Pink Floyd
Boston
Journey
Bob Seger
Fleetwood Mac
The Doors
U2

The fact that while they did it, they were enormously more creative than anyone else in rock and roll, and brought more different musical influences into the genre than probably all the other rock artists in history combined does make them not a rock band.

[Craptacular]

Remember folks, the word "great" means a lot of things to a lot of people: influential, successful, significant, grand, superior, skillful, etc. We all have different ideas about what makes something or someone "great". Do I agree that the Beatles may be the most influential band of all time? Sure. Do I think they were the greatest band ever? Heck no.

[Schmidty]

The best band ever isn't even on the list: Queen.

That omission alone totally nullifies any credibility it might have had.

[Qwikshot]

Tenacious D!!!

[Braggadocioussss]

Originally posted by Braggadocioussss
Other than the fact that I made up this list in about 3 minutes with bands off of the top of my head

Why has this gone completely unnoticed? The list I gave was not the definitive list. I said in plain english that you guys are free to add whomever you like, as long as they fall in the Rock n' Roll category. I don't know if the majority of you just completely skipped the first 30 or so posts in this thread or what. Criminy....


oh by the way.....

FIFTY *edit* FIFTY-ONE POSTS! Hot diggity.

How about this. The Beatles in their day, rocked about as much as the Barenaked Ladies do today. Now before you all go off your freaking rockers, I am not comparing the quality of music, nor am I comparing the talent of both of these bands. I am merely comparing how their music sounds in relation to the other music on the scene at the time. Who else was around in the Beatles prime? Cream! And in their later years...Sabbath! I'm sure some jackass will still take that out of text. You know what I have to say to him? Mittens.

[McSweeny]

ok i'll take it out of context...

how can you say that Sabbath is better than the Beatles!!!!

[Julio Riddols]

Nobody has heard of Dredg, but I suggest they get a shot at being on this list.. They are refreshing compared to todays "radio" rock music, and have drawn many comparisons to Pink Floyd.

So why dontchall go give um a lissun now?

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[wade moore]

Originally posted by Anrhydeddu
Other way around.

God of Rock and Roll is Buddy Holly.

I heart anrhydeddu.

[Ksyrup]

Beatles? Metallica (the early years)? Why argue when you can have it both ways...



http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~starkeff/beatallica.html


This is pure genius:


FOR HORSEMEN

The day breaks, your mind aches

You find that all the pangs of Famine

Linger on when she no longer feeds you

Sinner once, sinner twice

You find that in its die-hard ruthless metal fury

Time just seems to heed you

And in your eyes you’re King Nothing

No sign of love behind the tears

Ride Four Horsemen

Oh Lars go get me one more beer

Don't stay home, go on out

A quartet of deliverance rides for you

Upon this nite nothing you can do

You want it, you need it

Pestilence all that’s left

For what you’ve had to endure

Death to you for sure

The day breaks, your mind aches

Your girlfriend takes you to

A lame-ass poser Winger concert

Fucking forget her

[breier]

The Prostate Plugs

[cuervo72]

They're not the best ever, but I believe the Police should at least be mentioned here.

[clintl]

Originally posted by Braggadocioussss
How about this. The Beatles in their day, rocked about as much as the Barenaked Ladies do today.

Other than the Rolling Stones, name an early '60s band that rocked harder than the Beatles on their early albums. In case you have forgotten, that was the era of doo wop bands and early Motown soul, until the Beatles changed everything. Bands like The Who, Cream, and the Kinks didn't come along until a little later.

[Fritz]

please add Men Without Hats

thank you

[Ksyrup]

I'm not sure I understand the difference between pop and rock, at least as it's being used here. Why was The Beatles a pop band again? Because their music was popular or because they didn't "rock?" In the early 60's, they were rock. Why do you think their music caused such a revolution?

[Neel]

I have to get involved in this now...
The Beatles created the business as you know it today. They changed the way contracts were written, how publishing deals were made between labels and artist, and how the recording industry viewed talent in general.
They changed the way tours were booked and run. Artist began to receive advances for tour dates after the Beatles proved a band could sell tickets on a regular basis.

In 1969 the Rolling Stones took it all to another level. Learning from the Beatles business dealings, a very smart Mick Jagger began to run the Stones business interest in much the same way. The Stones created Rolling Stones Records and did NOT do what the Beatles did with Apple and get involved in anything more than providing the music for a parent label (Atlantic) to manufacture and distribute.
The Stones were the first band to tour with their own light and sound system, and custom stages for that matter.

So...The Beatles gave us an industry that wasn't run any longer just by a few label guys with a team of producers and writers...and if you didn't play ball their way, do their songs, with them owning the publishing..you were out.
Of course, the industry still is run that way in some areas...look at the boy bands and the cookie cutter blonde singers who dance and can't sing, play or write...

Thank goodness the Beatles came along...in the new climate I have been able to make 15 records and see the globe.

[ColtCrazy]

Here's another vote for the Beatles. They redefined rock and roll from their beginning to their newer style later. You'd be hard pressed to find someone not influenced by them. But they were more than influential. They obviously had talent too by looking at their success. I realize its a matter of taste since a lot of the bands listed come later and would be considered "harder", but pound for pound I'll take the Beatles.