Werewolf XXXI: House of Frankenstein (Game Over)

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current vote count

2 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls
2 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Grammaticus - Lathum

Did I miss anybody?


well at least im suspisious of all the peeps on the list too

[Lathum]

btw, it's very fishy to me the way molson and gramm voted for me so close together.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm leaning towards breaking the fouts/lathum tie...but i'm not sure which way yet.

neither one seems entirely credible in my eyes. but then again there are many others who have been quite silent also.

[DaddyTorgo]

btw, it's very fishy to me the way molson and gramm voted for me so close together.

but if they were wolves, one would have waited several hours i think. it's not like we're up against the deadline.

i think gramm is pretty much in the clear for now at least, based on that and his earlier actions...molson i'm still not sure about.

[Lathum]

i don't. but this is a perfect example of why i wish people would be more transparent with what they're on to. the worst that can happen is you spook a wolf and they change their behavior...if they stay constant you've got em pegged, if they change then we realize they're a wolf. it's like shining a spotlight on a robber...it freezes them.

for god's sakes people...if you're working on a theory, even if you think it's bunk...at least post it in the thread so there's some record of it.

otherwise what's the point of being on a team? we might as we all be going at it alone!
hey daddy, remember me telling you this gets people killed?

I did exactlly what you asked, came up with a theory, posted it for discussion and put my neck on the line in the process and now you are considering voting for me.

[Lorena]

dodgerchick if theres ever a time to say something without a bunch of ww nuts jumping on you, nows the time

The only one that seems suspicious to me right now is Schmidty because he's been really quiet. Path12, I think, mentioned Schmidty is like that anyway, so I'm not entirely sure if I should believe that or not. He might be laying low to not put himself in the spotlight, or he may be laying low so we villagers can vote ourselves off little by little and them BLAMO, in he comes.

Schmidty as a vet, I would assume, should know better than to lay this low. His lack of participation has me highly suspect him but I don't see anyone else jumping on him and I believe its because he mentioned recieving the 4 word PM. Frankly, I don't put much stock into that.

[Lathum]

but if they were wolves, one would have waited several hours i think. it's not like we're up against the deadline.

i think gramm is pretty much in the clear for now at least, based on that and his earlier actions...molson i'm still not sure about.
you would think unless they are trying to start an early pile on so gramm can avoid another situation like we had last night.

[path12]

I think a lot of the thoughts around Lathum revolve around how badly he schooled all of us as the Prophecy a couple games back. The only thing I've really noticed is that he seems much more talkative this game. I haven't looked at him in much depth yet though so that's my only read.

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Schmidty as a vet, I would assume, should know better than to lay this low. His lack of participation has me highly suspect him but I don't see anyone else jumping on him and I believe its because he mentioned recieving the 4 word PM. Frankly, I don't put much stock into that

dont put anything into that whole "4 word PM" thing at all. a clever wolf vet could easily know if he typed it first it would give him early cover. i personaly think its suspicious that he would have posted something like that.

[DaddyTorgo]

hey daddy, remember me telling you this gets people killed?

I did exactlly what you asked, came up with a theory, posted it for discussion and put my neck on the line in the process and now you are considering voting for me.

right. but that's a risk you have to take, otherwise trying to figure it all out alone is just pointless. besides Lathum, I didn't say that i was going to vote FOR you, i said i was leaning towards breaking that tie, in one direction or another.

[Lathum]

I think a lot of the thoughts around Lathum revolve around how badly he schooled all of us as the Prophecy a couple games back. The only thing I've really noticed is that he seems much more talkative this game. I haven't looked at him in much depth yet though so that's my only read.
only because I don't go back to work untill tomorrow and my fiancee is away for work so werewolf and poker are my only 2 afternoon distractions.

I should probably shower today :)

[Lorena]

dont put anything into that whole "4 word PM" thing at all. a clever wolf vet could easily know if he typed it first it would give him early cover. i personaly think its suspicious that he would have posted something like that.

I just re-read my post and yes, I agree with you. I don't put much stock in the 4 word PM at all, what I do find highly suspicious is that he hasn't said much at all.

Having said that, Chief Rum hasn't participated much either. He mentioned having 2 jobs, but of course that can be a coverup to get us off the trail.

Oy, I should have read previous WW threads to see how solid this "lack of participation" really is. :confused:

[DaddyTorgo]

in fact Lathum

VOTE FOUTS

[Grammaticus]

and why am I your top choice?

It started when you posted twice about why people would go for Chief Rum when he is out for the day. Seemed odd that with experience you would stick up for CR so early and it seemed out of character for how I remember you playing (I know time and player makeup change game style).

Then your theory about you and Blade having history and Saldana having a grudge and what not. You and Saldana are best friends, he posted about you getting engages (congrats, by the way!). Surely you know we would know of your friendship with Saldana. Seems like a weird thing to post so early in the game. The rest of your theory just did not sound like anything of substance.

Then you and Molson and possibly CR seem to have an interplay going on with your votes.

I agree with a little over half the field having some experience, at least one wolf is statistically bound to be a vet. Outside of the golden list and my COT, that points to you as most likely.
.

[Grammaticus]

current vote count

2 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls
2 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Grammaticus - Lathum

Did I miss anybody?
I also show Chief Rum voting for Schmidty

[st.cronin]

It is time for my daily early vote before I take off for work. Fortunately, I only work the first job today, so I might get back to change this vote before the deadline, and will be around for night time posting.

With that aside, I vote Schmidty.

He's a vet and has been way too quiet. I think he may be trying to fly under the radar. As I said, I reserve the right to change this vote up until the deadline.

Voting like this is difficult for me to spot when doing the count. Please try and make your vote as easy as possible, so I don't make an error. This would be better:


It is time for my daily early vote before I take off for work. Fortunately, I only work the first job today, so I might get back to change this vote before the deadline, and will be around for night time posting.

With that aside, I

VOTE SCHMIDTY.

He's a vet and has been way too quiet. I think he may be trying to fly under the radar. As I said, I reserve the right to change this vote up until the deadline.

[st.cronin]

I also show Chief Rum voting for Schmidty

thanks

[st.cronin]

current tally

3 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls, DaddyTorgo
2 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Grammaticus - Lathum
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum

[Lorena]

Alright, I re-read the first page and see why everyone is laying off of Schmidty:

He's a respected vet (he devirginized Anxiety, or like he said, "deflowered him")
Before he even said "I'm in" he mentioned having some issues at home
He didn't participate much in the last WW game

Several people wanted him in even before the game started and asked if there could be a "small" role for him so he'll be here, even if in spirit.

Based on how highly respected he is, I'm gonna lay off him. Which leads me to square one... who now?

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Dodgerchick, might i suggest you vote for Blade and have a blast watching respond to your vote ;)

[Lorena]

Dodgerchick, might i suggest you vote for Blade and have a blast watching respond to your vote ;)

From what I gather voting for either blade or lathum can spark some vicious emotions.

I like them both and enjoy how each is taking this leadership role to sway people one way or the other and it's making it very interesting.

I have a lot of detective work to do. Let's see how many pages now? 16 or so and 5 hours til the deadline? Whoa, I have my work cut out for me.

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dont reread everything, if you read it once its enough. you can basically get the jist of all the aguments over who to vote for from the WWaholics when they post, then you can make a descision.

[Lathum]

Gramm, I'm sorry but I still don't see your argumant. Obviously molson and I have no "interplay" happening since he voted for me.

I wanted to give CR the benefit of the doubt and eliminate noddadrop ( which btw if I was a wolf I would want to keep noddadrop around since he was so useless)

as for the theory about Blade I was trying to spur some discussion and obviously have backed off of Blade since then.

The whole grudge thing was obviously take out of context. You are looking more and more guilty to me since I know I am a villegar who is just trying to keep the game active.

[Barkeep49]

Alright, I re-read the first page and see why everyone is laying off of Schmidty:

He's a respected vet (he devirginized Anxiety, or like he said, "deflowered him")
Before he even said "I'm in" he mentioned having some issues at home
He didn't participate much in the last WW game

Several people wanted him in even before the game started and asked if there could be a "small" role for him so he'll be here, even if in spirit.

Based on how highly respected he is, I'm gonna lay off him. Which leads me to square one... who now?
Dodger: This is kind of funny as Schmidty regularly refers to himself as the worst WW player there is.

[DaddyTorgo]

barkeep has been QUITE quiet. Any reason why we're not all piling on him?

[Barkeep49]

barkeep has been QUITE quiet. Any reason why we're not all piling on him?
I hope this is meant in jest as I am not playing.

EDIT: Based on the original start date I was going to be out of town for this game. WIth the game pushed back I've been able to lurk. Trust me if I was playing I'd easily have 100 posts by now. Easily.

[DaddyTorgo]

I hope this is meant in jest as I am not playing.

EDIT: Based on the original start date I was going to be out of town for this game. WIth the game pushed back I've been able to lurk. Trust me if I was playing I'd easily have 100 posts by now. Easily.

aaaah. i had just noticed you lurking a lot, and couldn't remember if you were playing or not and frankly was on the phone so i didn't want to go back and take the time to go to post 1 and check.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep is 17th out of 29 posters in this thread, despite not playing.

Barkeep = teh postwhoooooooore

[Fouts]

Funny that I'm leading the votes thanks to blade.

I just want to say this. Once you lynch me, lynch blade next.

[DaddyTorgo]

Funny that I'm leading the votes thanks to blade.

I just want to say this. Once you lynch me, lynch blade next.

interesting. and certainly a possibility he has to consider if you are not a wolf fouts.

[st.cronin]

I hope this is meant in jest as I am not playing.

EDIT: Based on the original start date I was going to be out of town for this game. WIth the game pushed back I've been able to lurk. Trust me if I was playing I'd easily have 100 posts by now. Easily.

FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:D

[Fouts]

interesting. and certainly a possibility he has to consider if you are not a wolf fouts.

I'm not and neither was Chubby. I'm not going to expend a ton of energy trying to save myself, so good luck.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

From what I gather voting for either blade or lathum can spark some vicious emotions.

I like them both and enjoy how each is taking this leadership role to sway people one way or the other and it's making it very interesting.

I have a lot of detective work to do. Let's see how many pages now? 16 or so and 5 hours til the deadline? Whoa, I have my work cut out for me.

Good point.

Dammit, now what?

[Barkeep49]

FOR THE LAST TIME PEOPLE DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

:D
I edited just to irk everyone and show that I am not a postwhore like hoops claims. In fact, in my research hoops has a MUCH higher percentage of his posts in WW than I do. So who's the whore now beeatch?

[GoldenEagle]

I'm not and neither was Chubby. I'm not going to expend a ton of energy trying to save myself, so good luck.

That is interesting. I do not think you are a wolf, but the last sentence has me thinking....

Stay tuned.

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, I'm sorry but I still don't see your argumant. Obviously molson and I have no "interplay" happening since he voted for me.

I wanted to give CR the benefit of the doubt and eliminate noddadrop ( which btw if I was a wolf I would want to keep noddadrop around since he was so useless)

as for the theory about Blade I was trying to spur some discussion and obviously have backed off of Blade since then.

The whole grudge thing was obviously take out of context. You are looking more and more guilty to me since I know I am a villegar who is just trying to keep the game active.
None of the issues listed are individually a smoking gun that makes you a wolf. I do not have that on anyone. Grouped together, along with some other oddities and most importantly looking at who is left outside of the COT and Golden list, you appear to be the top candidate.

Some other items in the pattern of concern is your play style. From older games, you usually lay way back and post something here and there. You still did not go way out there, but were more aggressive than expected and seemed to not want to lay too far back. I could see you playing that way as a wolf.

You asked St. Cronin if there were any hidden roles. Something very wolfish. Looking at the list of roles, the only thing for Villagers is the Masons. Pretty damn sparse. There are a few bad guy roles listed, which gives them an edge. A wolf would want to know if there are any hidden roles as they would likely be villager based. A villager would be more likely not to ask in order to keep key roles out of the wolves line of site. Why? Because a villager who has the role would know and no other villagers would have a need to look for them. If they did, they would know the other role exists. Example if you were given the bodyguard role, you would not go out asking in public if other roles exist. It is a form of outing yourself and letting others know a seer may exist.

Then you asked me to point out the Blade and Schmidty posts I spotted. Fair enough since you posted it 2 minutes after I made the post. But you either did not go back and check posts later or missed the hint, making you less likely to be a villager.

[DaddyTorgo]

some legit points there Gram.

and yes GE, I agree, that last sentence was curious

[Lathum]

Gramm, I have my reasons for asking about hidden roles, it seems to me you are attempting to goad me into an argument and your actions are going to reflect poorly on you.

The only hard evidence we have is vote patterns. I pointed out a strange pattern from you in post 744.

I find it odd that people are saying not to read to much into the "clue" about schmidty's PM, yet they are willing to say there is a "COT" because of it. I will GUARENTEE there is a werewolf in that circle.

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Gramm, I have my reasons for asking about hidden roles, it seems to me you are attempting to goad me into an argument and your actions are going to reflect poorly on you.

The only hard evidence we have is vote patterns. I pointed out a strange pattern from you in post 744.

I find it odd that people are saying not to read to much into the "clue" about schmidty's PM, yet they are willing to say there is a "COT" because of it. I will GUARENTEE there is a werewolf in that circle.


ok quick catch up, what circle are you refering to?

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ohh "COT" circle of trust. lol, im never in a circle of trust, but i never trust anyones cot.

[molson]

I find it odd that people are saying not to read to much into the "clue" about schmidty's PM, yet they are willing to say there is a "COT" because of it. I will GUARENTEE there is a werewolf in that circle.

I completely agree with this. Either a wolf is taking advantage of the Schmidty's PM line, and trying to foster group confidence in it (and himself), or Schmidty himself is a WW.

I can't imagine how a COT can EVER work in a game like this, especially without seers, etc.

[Lorena]

Noddadrop had an overwhelming amount of votes against him on Day 1. Am I reading too much into it, or can a wolf use that as a coverup to get us off the trail?

[Lathum]

molson, I'm confused. YOu have agreed with me on a few points yet you are voting for me, I don't get it?

[molson]

And also, why would you ever publicize your COT? Doesn't that make them vulnerable - unless the wolves know you're wrong (or a wolf is controlling the COT).

[path12]

I completely agree with this. Either a wolf is taking advantage of the Schmidty's PM line, and trying to foster group confidence in it (and himself), or Schmidty himself is a WW.

I can't imagine how a COT can EVER work in a game like this, especially without seers, etc.

OK. Regardless of how you feel about it, I have three people I trust more that made mention well before the whole issue went public. By the time it came up last night it was worthless for finding anyone else.

I have noticed a couple of people trying to make themselves part of the group after the fact though. That's always interesting.

[path12]

Noddadrop had an overwhelming amount of votes against him on Day 1. Am I reading too much into it, or can a wolf use that as a coverup to get us off the trail?

Absolutely. One of the best things for a wolf is to be able to add themselves to a huge pile-on.

[path12]

And also, why would you ever publicize your COT? Doesn't that make them vulnerable - unless the wolves know you're wrong (or a wolf is controlling the COT).

Because one of the ways to win is to be able to put together circles of trust. The more people you can trust, the better chance you have of finding a wolf. If it makes you more vulnerable, so be it -- as a plain villager you're expendable compared to more valuable roles such as a seer, bodyguard, etc. I'll put myself out there and risk getting hit at night, that means that the wolves are not killing someone more valuable to the good guys.

[molson]

molson, I'm confused. YOu have agreed with me on a few points yet you are voting for me, I don't get it?

I knew you were going to say that (and you do so with good reason).

Mostly gut instinct, based on reading posts - I'm sure you could have a reasonable explanation for any actual reason I try to articulate. If you actually become a factor in the voting, I'll more closely look at you and probably give more thoughts and details.

For every actual theory I go through at this point, there's just as many reasons that it's likely to be wrong that there are that it's likely to be right. So you have the honor of being my default. But, there always seems to be some reason to change my mind in the last few hours.

[Grammaticus]

And also, why would you ever publicize your COT? Doesn't that make them vulnerable - unless the wolves know you're wrong (or a wolf is controlling the COT).
First of all a COT has won many a WW game by giving the good guys a reason to have some level of trust in what the others say.

Second, you really cannot establish a COT without it being public as that is the only way the good guys can communicate (in the open). Outside of some specialty roles, of which we apperantly do not have in this game.

In affect, it does make it somewhat of a race. Of course it is all probability. You increase the percentage the members of the COT are good and at the same time increase the probability of hitting a wolf outside the COT.

[Lorena]

Shit, I gotta run an errand. I'm a go with the pile-on theory:

Vote Lathum

For now of course. If I make it before the deadline, this might change.

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Shit, I gotta run an errand. I'm a go with the pile-on theory:

Vote Lathum

For now of course. If I make it before the deadline, this might change.


hehe i never mind when a chick piles on ;)

[Lathum]

Hey DC the pile on theory pretty much says if you pile on you are most likely a wolf.

[Grammaticus]

Gramm, I have my reasons for asking about hidden roles, it seems to me you are attempting to goad me into an argument and your actions are going to reflect poorly on you.

The only hard evidence we have is vote patterns. I pointed out a strange pattern from you in post 744.

I find it odd that people are saying not to read to much into the "clue" about schmidty's PM, yet they are willing to say there is a "COT" because of it. I will GUARENTEE there is a werewolf in that circle.
I'm not trying to goad you into an argument. You asked why I have you listed as my top choice and I am giving you the reasons so you will have an opportunity to speak to them if you wish.

How can you guarantee there is a wolf in the COT?

[Lorena]

Shit, I gotta run an errand. I'm a go with the pile-on theory:

Vote Lathum

For now of course. If I make it before the deadline, this might change.

Well, my daughter was gonna go with me but she took a nap, so I'll wait til later.

UNVOTE LATHUM

[Abe Sargent]

None of the issues listed are individually a smoking gun that makes you a wolf. I do not have that on anyone. Grouped together, along with some other oddities and most importantly looking at who is left outside of the COT and Golden list, you appear to be the top candidate.

Some other items in the pattern of concern is your play style. From older games, you usually lay way back and post something here and there. You still did not go way out there, but were more aggressive than expected and seemed to not want to lay too far back. I could see you playing that way as a wolf.

You asked St. Cronin if there were any hidden roles. Something very wolfish. Looking at the list of roles, the only thing for Villagers is the Masons. Pretty damn sparse. There are a few bad guy roles listed, which gives them an edge. A wolf would want to know if there are any hidden roles as they would likely be villager based. A villager would be more likely not to ask in order to keep key roles out of the wolves line of site. Why? Because a villager who has the role would know and no other villagers would have a need to look for them. If they did, they would know the other role exists. Example if you were given the bodyguard role, you would not go out asking in public if other roles exist. It is a form of outing yourself and letting others know a seer may exist.

Then you asked me to point out the Blade and Schmidty posts I spotted. Fair enough since you posted it 2 minutes after I made the post. But you either did not go back and check posts later or missed the hint, making you less likely to be a villager.


After consideration, I agree with this.

Vote Lathum

[Lorena]

Hey DC the pile on theory pretty much says if you pile on you are most likely a wolf.

Do you mean that if a lot of people find an "easy target" and they all vote for that same person they're a wolf... is that how I'm interpreting that?

I believe Noddadrop recieved 6 votes... it seems like a lot of votes to me.

[Lathum]

I'm not trying to goad you into an argument. You asked why I have you listed as my top choice and I am giving you the reasons so you will have an opportunity to speak to them if you wish.

How can you guarantee there is a wolf in the COT?

call it a hunch

[Lathum]

Do you mean that if a lot of people find an "easy target" and they all vote for that same person they're a wolf... is that how I'm interpreting that?

I believe Noddadrop recieved 6 votes... it seems like a lot of votes to me.
not exactlly. If there is a runaway choice like noddadrop it's easy for a wolf to jump on the bandwagon without much suspicion.

so for example, you vote for me without really stating why then fade into the background. Then when I come up as a villegar you say " well everyone else thought he was a wolf to, seemed like the most logical choice choice".

[Lorena]

not exactlly. If there is a runaway choice like noddadrop it's easy for a wolf to jump on the bandwagon without much suspicion.

so for example, you vote for me without really stating why then fade into the background. Then when I come up as a villegar you say " well everyone else thought he was a wolf to, seemed like the most logical choice choice".

I'm glad you elaborated, thanks Lathum.

[molson]

Gram's been on the lynching bubble. If he were a wolf, it'd be quite a risk to call out Lathum so early in the day. If Lathum's lynched, and is a villager, Gram will be quite the target tomorrow.

I realize Gram isn't saying he's 100% sure or anything - but it's interesting he's taken a stand so early, as opposed to the last two days.

[Lathum]

After consideration, I agree with this.

Vote Lathum
whoa, if I get lynched tonight people need to take a close look at this.

[Abe Sargent]

What, one person agreeing out of many?

[Lathum]

Dodgerchick, Anxieties vote for me is exactlly the type I was talking about.

[Abe Sargent]

If you are lynched, then many people would be voting for you, a majority, or at least a plurality. If lots of people agree with gram's reasoning, there's no reason to single me out simply because I did it first.

[Abe Sargent]

And its Anxiety's, possesive, not Anxieties, which some people here have many of :)

[Lathum]

And its Anxiety's, possesive, not Anxieties, which some people here have many of :)
especially in this game :)

[molson]

If you are lynched, then many people would be voting for you, a majority, or at least a plurality. If lots of people agree with gram's reasoning, there's no reason to single me out simply because I did it first.

It's the second strangest generalization Lathum's made so far, right behind "Blade is a good player, and he's alive (after 1 day), therefore, he's a wolf".

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And its Anxiety's, possesive, not Anxieties, which some people here have many of :)


if you ask me, its Paranoia thats flooding this thread :eek:

[path12]

Out until after lynch. Good luck to us.

[Abe Sargent]

especially in this game :)


True that, true that

[bulletsponge]

It's the second strangest generalization Lathum's made so far, right behind "Blade is a good player, and he's alive (after 1 day), therefore, he's a wolf".


to be fair, i too am suprised Blade is still around. if i was a wolf i would have whacked him day 1, with no bodyguards he would be an easy kill. then again the wolves might want us to think hes a wolf so we lynch him for them. uggg WW always make me a little nuts *serenity now*

[Lathum]

I know I'm ahead but anyone have a vote count?

[Fouts]

Well, I need to cast my vote. Blade led the way to Chubby's demise, and he started the voting on me. I'm not sure what to think about Lathum, but blade appears more guilty.

vote blade

[molson]

to be fair, i too am suprised Blade is still around. if i was a wolf i would have whacked him day 1, with no bodyguards he would be an easy kill. then again the wolves might want us to think hes a wolf so we lynch him for them. uggg WW always make me a little nuts *serenity now*

True, and it's interesting that Blade seems to be the "leader" of the COT, while I'm not sure what his own qualifications for membership are (other than selecting members, apparently).

I think I've come to the conclusion that every remaining player is a WW, except for me.

[st.cronin]

current vote


3 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls, DaddyTorgo
3 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus, Anxiety
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Grammaticus - Lathum
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum
1 - Blade - Fouts

[DaddyTorgo]

i think if fouts is actually a villager and goes down, the remainder of us villagers need to take a close look at this so called "circle of trust"

[DaddyTorgo]

so i'll give you that Fouts...I don't wanna create some sketchy voting history for myself by moving off you if you are a wolf, but if you end up being a villager i'm going to be seriously concerned about the influence of some wolf on the COT.

[Abe Sargent]

to be fair, i too am suprised Blade is still around. if i was a wolf i would have whacked him day 1, with no bodyguards he would be an easy kill. then again the wolves might want us to think hes a wolf so we lynch him for them. uggg WW always make me a little nuts *serenity now*


Im not surprised. If I had been the chooser of the WW on night one, I would have used the "kill the vets" stratgey but I would have chosen good vets who are not as high profile as Blade, so there is less of a chance of a hidden bodyguard block. Like SnDvls, for example. Saldana was a solid choice as well, and I'm not surprised to see his name called. I would not, however, have hit Blade. I think that would be a rookie mistake, because if you are a BG, who else are you gonna guard Night One?


Honestly, I see the saldana and Alan T hits as smart. Get good vets but not high profile ones. I like that strategy a lot. I think that shows savvy and I suspect that at least one WW is a vet.

[molson]

i think if fouts is actually a villager and goes down, the remainder of us villagers need to take a close look at this so called "circle of trust"

We need to take a close look anyway.

An excellent players who's a wolf is extremely dangerous, obviously. But an excellent player who's a villager has less value, I think. It's not like we can blindly follow him (like fellow wolves would be able to).

[bulletsponge]

Im not surprised. If I had been the chooser of the WW on night one, I would have used the "kill the vets" stratgey but I would have chosen good vets who are not as high profile as Blade, so there is less of a chance of a hidden bodyguard block. Like SnDvls, for example. Saldana was a solid choice as well, and I'm not surprised to see his name called. I would not, however, have hit Blade. I think that would be a rookie mistake, because if you are a BG, who else are you gonna guard Night One?


Honestly, I see the saldana and Alan T hits as smart. Get good vets but not high profile ones. I like that strategy a lot. I think that shows savvy and I suspect that at least one WW is a vet.


there are no bodyguards in this game though, everyone is open to attack!

[molson]

there are no bodyguards in this game though, everyone is open to attack!

I think he's speculating that there's a "hidden" bodyguard role - which I think is highly unlikely.

[DaddyTorgo]

We need to take a close look anyway.

An excellent players who's a wolf is extremely dangerous, obviously. But an excellent player who's a villager has less value, I think. It's not like we can blindly follow him (like fellow wolves would be able to).

right. but if fouts is evil than the influence of a wolf on the COT is less, as I highly doubt the wolves would sacrifice one of their own so early in the game.

but true, the "trust no one" axiom is certainly in effect.

[Lathum]

there are no bodyguards in this game though, everyone is open to attack!
that may not be accurate, there have been hidden roles before in games.

[Abe Sargent]

Who knows? I know I would not make any assumptions about what there is or isn't until later.

[Lathum]

Unvote Grammaticus
VOTE FOUTS

I'm switching my vote because I think a lynch of Fouts will shed alot of light on this so called COT one way or the other. It seems to me this is how we will get the most information .

[Fouts]

Unvote Grammaticus
VOTE FOUTS

I'm switching my vote because I think a lynch of Fouts will shed alot of light on this so called COT one way or the other. It seems to me this is how we will get the most information .

You know I'll have to switch my vote to force a tie.

[Lathum]

You know I'll have to switch my vote to force a tie.
I totaly understand

[Fouts]

Well, I have to force the tie. Anyone thinking to break the tie better have a good idea of which of us is guilty.

unvote blade

vote lathum

[Lathum]

at this point I would like to point out I have provided much more anaylisis then Fouts and put my neck on the line and if I was a wolf it would be pretty idiotic of me to act this way.

[bulletsponge]

aww crap, this is the reason to vote early. now whomever i choose will bring scrutiny next day, unless i hit a WW for sure.

[bulletsponge]

im going to go make dinner and think about it

[Lorena]

Dodgerchick, Anxieties vote for me is exactlly the type I was talking about.

Aha... noted

[Fouts]

at this point I would like to point out I have provided much more anaylisis then Fouts and put my neck on the line and if I was a wolf it would be pretty idiotic of me to act this way.

It is quite possible we are both villagers in an unfortunate situation.

[Lathum]

It is quite possible we are both villagers in an unfortunate situation.
I'm certain we are.

[bulletsponge]

damn i just realized the vote is due in a little over 1 hour. ohh crap. i hiope neither of you hate me for my vote

[Fouts]

damn i just realized the vote is due in a little over 1 hour. ohh crap. i hiope neither of you hate me for my vote

I don't hate people for their vote, I just shake my head afterwards.

[Lorena]

I'm certain we are.

Hey Lathum, I really appreciate your answering all my questions and all but, if you're *certain* you're both villagers, why vote for fouts?

[DaddyTorgo]

Hey Lathum, I really appreciate your answering all my questions and all but, if you're *certain* you're both villagers, why vote for fouts?

ZING

although lathum did say that voting for fouts and then taking a look at that and looking at the COT would be the way of things...thinking on that, it sounds a lot like a wolf trying to knock off a villager and push us in a different direction...

[Lathum]

Hey Lathum, I really appreciate your answering all my questions and all but, if you're *certain* you're both villagers, why vote for fouts?
2 reasons

One is self preservation, the more votes he has the better chance I have to live. I voted for Gramm because I think he is the most suspiscous but I got no following so I am forcad to switch to Fouts to save my own ass.

2. I think we will gain more information from fouts dying then me. If fouts is lynched and a villager we then look at 2 veterans, Blade and sndvls. If I am lynched where do you look next?

Trust me dodgerchick, it will all make sense eventually.

[Fouts]

I'm certain we are.

Which is why I suspect blade and his list of me, you and GE. Also, he started some goofy COT based on random postings. I think he'll be looked at harder after this vote.

[Lathum]

ZING

although lathum did say that voting for fouts and then taking a look at that and looking at the COT would be the way of things...thinking on that, it sounds a lot like a wolf trying to knock off a villager and push us in a different direction...
I don't follow?

[Abe Sargent]

One important rule, dodgerchick, never trust anyone in a WW game, especially those who ask you to trust them

[DaddyTorgo]

2 reasons

One is self preservation, the more votes he has the better chance I have to live. I voted for Gramm because I think he is the most suspiscous but I got no following so I am forcad to switch to Fouts to save my own ass.

2. I think we will gain more information from fouts dying then me. If fouts is lynched and a villager we then look at 2 veterans, Blade and sndvls. If I am lynched where do you look next?

Trust me dodgerchick, it will all make sense eventually.

interesting points lathum. much truth in them.


and now i see how WW threads can skyrocket people's post-counts

[Lathum]

Which is why I suspect blade and his list of me, you and GE. Also, he started some goofy COT based on random postings. I think he'll be looked at harder after this vote.
i would agree

[Lathum]

One important rule, dodgerchick, never trust anyone in a WW game, especially those who ask you to trust them
I meant the game will make sense. Stop trying to set me up :mad:

[st.cronin]

interesting points lathum. much truth in them.


and now i see how WW threads can skyrocket people's post-counts

ain't it grand

[Grammaticus]

2 reasons

One is self preservation, the more votes he has the better chance I have to live. I voted for Gramm because I think he is the most suspiscous but I got no following so I am forcad to switch to Fouts to save my own ass.

2. I think we will gain more information from fouts dying then me. If fouts is lynched and a villager we then look at 2 veterans, Blade and sndvls. If I am lynched where do you look next?

Trust me dodgerchick, it will all make sense eventually.
Seriously, why did you use the word CERTAIN. Just like you used the word GUARANTEE before? Those types of words are used by vets when they are either certain or are guaranteeing something. They are absolute and generally reserved for such situations.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't follow?

trying to turn our attention away from you and onto fouts.

although I don't have a great deal of suspicion regarding you right now lathum. frankly, after this vote if fouts is not evil then I'm going to cast a seriously wary eye at Blade and SnDvls.

[Abe Sargent]

BTW, no matter what the result of the vote tonight, I doubt Blade and SunDvls are both wolves. No way that with more than 20 players two wolves align themsleves in the thread this soon into the game.

[Abe Sargent]

I meant the game will make sense. Stop trying to set me up :mad:



Who said I was referring to you?:p

[Abe Sargent]

My guess on the wolves:


One UTR strategy
One vet
A third running around in a completely different circle than the vet, staying away from each other.

[Grammaticus]

ain't it grand
Until you go over 4,000, then you apparently have no life.

From what I've heard.

[Lathum]

BTW, no matter what the result of the vote tonight, I doubt Blade and SunDvls are both wolves. No way that with more than 20 players two wolves align themsleves in the thread this soon into the game.
I would also agree with this

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

It's been crazy at work today so this is really a random vote.

Vote Lathum

[DaddyTorgo]

I think all us newbs should realize that someone could just as easily be pushing us towards Fouts, Lathum and GE in order to knock off perceived stronger good-guys as they could be pushing towards them because they're bad.

I just think it bears stating the obvious in this case. If the people in this perceived COT want to trust each other that's fine, but that doesn't mean that we have to blindly trust them...

My vote for Fouts was more about trying to gain some insight into how much trust to place in the COT versus any real glaring evidence of Fouts' evil. Fouts if you are indeed just a villager than I apologize that your death appears to be a necessary evil to give us insight into the COT.

[Fouts]

My vote for Fouts was more about trying to gain some insight into how much trust to place in the COT versus any real glaring evidence of Fouts' evil. Fouts if you are indeed just a villager than I apologize that your death appears to be a necessary evil to give us insight into the COT.

Don't worry. I've died for the cause many times in WW. Most of the time, everyone forgets by the next day what the reason was, and they start at square 1.

[Lathum]

It's been crazy at work today so this is really a random vote.

Vote Lathum
you just put a huge target on your back

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

you just put a huge target on your back

I love you too. :D

[Lorena]

Well shit... let's see:

fouts votes for you, you vote for him and the votes cancel each other out

if fouts dies and is a villager, then your head will be on the chopping block (I'm assuming of course)

Fuckit:

VOTE FOUTS

You swayed my vote, I trust you. If you're a wolf, shame on me.

[Abe Sargent]

I think all us newbs should realize that someone could just as easily be pushing us towards Fouts, Lathum and GE in order to knock off perceived stronger good-guys as they could be pushing towards them because they're bad.

I just think it bears stating the obvious in this case. If the people in this perceived COT want to trust each other that's fine, but that doesn't mean that we have to blindly trust them...

My vote for Fouts was more about trying to gain some insight into how much trust to place in the COT versus any real glaring evidence of Fouts' evil. Fouts if you are indeed just a villager than I apologize that your death appears to be a necessary evil to give us insight into the COT.


If wolves are pushing towards Lathum because he's a good player and they want to off him, then I suspect someone who was in the Necro game and saw first hand how good of a player Lathum really is.

[DaddyTorgo]

if Fouts dies and is a villager, a certain ex-mod's head ought to be on the block I'd think. He led the charge...

[Lathum]

I love you too. :D
love ya baby no matter what :D

[Fouts]

If wolves are pushing towards Lathum because he's a good player and they want to off him, then I suspect someone who was in the Necro game and saw first hand how good of a player Lathum really is.

Come to think of it. Why is Lathum still around? The wolves would have surely offed by now, wouldn't they?

[DaddyTorgo]

If wolves are pushing towards Lathum because he's a good player and they want to off him, then I suspect someone who was in the Necro game and saw first hand how good of a player Lathum really is.

and who was in the necro game and this one anxiety?

[Fouts]

Well shit... let's see:

fouts votes for you, you vote for him and the votes cancel each other out

if fouts dies and is a villager, then your head will be on the chopping block (I'm assuming of course)

Fuckit:

VOTE FOUTS

You swayed my vote, I trust you. If you're a wolf, shame on me.

How can you post this with a straight face.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm starting to think we might have a redheaded WW...

[Abe Sargent]

Let's go down that road if Lathum is lynched and he's a good guy.

[Lathum]

and who was in the necro game and this one anxiety?
I actually summoned fouts into that game so he had a birds eye view into how good of a player I am.

[DaddyTorgo]

I actually summoned fouts into that game so he had a birds eye view into how good of a player I am.

so fouts is the common denominator there? no one else was in both games (although I suppose anyone could have read up on it...)

[Abe Sargent]

No, DT, there are tons more. Me, SnDvls, I think tangle and Swaggs, path, bulletsponge, and more.

[DaddyTorgo]

Let's go down that road if Lathum is lynched and he's a good guy.

oh certainly. it's too early to tell now, but IIRC Farrah had a similar "seemingly cavelier" vote yesterday after some relative inaction...

[Lathum]

so fouts is the common denominator there? no one else was in both games (although I suppose anyone could have read up on it...)
there are others also, Anxiety has actually incriminated himselh here by making himself look really bad when it is proven I am a villegar.

[DaddyTorgo]

No, DT, there are tons more. Me, SnDvls, I think tangle and Swaggs, path, bulletsponge, and more.

aaah. so there's no real way to narrow it down. it seemed like from the way you said it there might be something you were driving towards.

[tanglewood]

Just caught up on today's posting and am dissapointed that both Lahum and Fouts are up, as I really don't see much of a reason to suspect either one. I mean, seriously, if anyone could come out and say some specific things that make them think either of them is a wolf then I will listen, but really I think we may be being led in this vote up a creek without a paddle.

[Lorena]

How can you post this with a straight face.

What do you mean? If you're a villager, I'll know who to vote for next and my apologies in advance.

[DaddyTorgo]

Just caught up on today's posting and am dissapointed that both Lahum and Fouts are up, as I really don't see much of a reason to suspect either one. I mean, seriously, if anyone could come out and say some specific things that make them think either of them is a wolf then I will listen, but really I think we may be being led in this vote up a creek without a paddle.

i suspect this as well, but i don't think we have sufficient momentum/evidence to get people to switch off fouts/lathum and onto someone else, although I would be willing, for the right person...

[Fouts]

What do you mean? If you're a villager, I'll know who to vote for next and my apologies in advance.

Throwing in the fuckit and the overacting bit, is what I mean. It makes you look like you are with Lathum. If you really were distressed about the vote, you would vote for somebody else and avoid the whole issue.

[bulletsponge]

ps can i get a vote count so im not creating a tie?

[Fouts]

i suspect this as well, but i don't think we have sufficient momentum/evidence to get people to switch off fouts/lathum and onto someone else, although I would be willing, for the right person...

Well, I think we should all vote for blade and find out the truth about this COT. I think the COT is a bunch of wolves coming up with random stuff about posts that stick out.

[Grammaticus]

Bye the way Farrah, in this situation you cannot just have a "random" vote. That really does not mean anything :)

[Grammaticus]

ps can i get a vote count so im not creating a tie?
It is at a tie

[DaddyTorgo]

Well, I think we should all vote for blade and find out the truth about this COT. I think the COT is a bunch of wolves coming up with random stuff about posts that stick out.

that would be a vote i could make in good conscience. even if blade is a villager it's not like he's an irreplaceable villager. he's not the only solid vet in the game after all.

[st.cronin]

I have it tied right now:

5 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls, DaddyTorgo, Lathum, DodgerChick
5 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus, Anxiety, Fouts, Farrah
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum


Not voted:

Swaggs
tanglewood
GoldenEagle
Bulletsponge
greyroofoo
schmidty
daddytorgo

[Lathum]

OK, this is crazy but worth a shot. I know I am not a villegar and I don't think fouts is one either. I REALLY think blade is the werewolf leading the charge. He has been really quiet today.

If tangle agrees with me and another person we can swing the vote. Like many others have said situations like this are usually 2 villegars and blade has set us up nicely. If I am wrong go for me tomorrow.

Dodgerchick if you switch your vote this is basiclly the same as voting for fouts but I don't wanna kill an innocent.

UNVOTE FOUTS
VOTE BLADE

[bulletsponge]

to be honest the peep i have the strongest gut feeling toward is gramm. but trusting Lathum or Fouts is damn stupid. grr who to vote for

[Lorena]

OK, this is crazy but worth a shot. I know I am not a villegar and I don't think fouts is one either. I REALLY think blade is the werewolf leading the charge. He has been really quiet today.

If tangle agrees with me and another person we can swing the vote. Like many others have said situations like this are usually 2 villegars and blade has set us up nicely. If I am wrong go for me tomorrow.

Dodgerchick if you switch your vote this is basiclly the same as voting for fouts but I don't wanna kill an innocent.

UNVOTE FOUTS
VOTE BLADE

Umm... slip?

[DaddyTorgo]

OK, this is crazy but worth a shot. I know I am not a villegar and I don't think fouts is one either. I REALLY think blade is the werewolf leading the charge. He has been really quiet today.

If tangle agrees with me and another person we can swing the vote. Like many others have said situations like this are usually 2 villegars and blade has set us up nicely. If I am wrong go for me tomorrow.

Dodgerchick if you switch your vote this is basiclly the same as voting for fouts but I don't wanna kill an innocent.

UNVOTE FOUTS
VOTE BLADE

Lathum, I think you meant to say "I know I am not a wolf"

[DaddyTorgo]

to be honest the peep i have the strongest gut feeling toward is gramm. but trusting Lathum or Fouts is damn stupid. grr who to vote for

why would you say trusting lathum or fouts is stupid bullet?

[Lathum]

ok, combine post 889 with post 894 and I think it PROVES fouts and I are both villegars. There is no way we would hatch this theory together if we were wolves. At this point it would be better to let one of us die for the good of the group.

[tanglewood]

Okay, I can run with that. Blade I am not so sure of being a wolf, but Lathum I am fairly sure is clean and Fouts, well I have no reason to suspect him at all frakly at this point.

Vote Blade

Let's see what happens.

[Lathum]

yeah, that was a slip, on vacation and a few to many miller lites. That will probably seal my fate :(

[bulletsponge]

damn, noprmally there are about 5 or 6 different peeps who have votes on them

Vote Fouts

[DaddyTorgo]

ok, combine post 889 with post 894 and I think it PROVES fouts and I are both villegars. There is no way we would hatch this theory together if we were wolves. At this point it would be better to let one of us die for the good of the group.

not sure i follow there

[Grammaticus]

OK, this is crazy but worth a shot. I know I am not a villegar and I don't think fouts is one either. I REALLY think blade is the werewolf leading the charge. He has been really quiet today.

If tangle agrees with me and another person we can swing the vote. Like many others have said situations like this are usually 2 villegars and blade has set us up nicely. If I am wrong go for me tomorrow.

Dodgerchick if you switch your vote this is basiclly the same as voting for fouts but I don't wanna kill an innocent.

UNVOTE FOUTS
VOTE BLADE
WTF?

[Fouts]

I'm going with you on this. There is no way a wolf would pull this move.

unvote Lathum

vote blade

[bulletsponge]

OK, this is crazy but worth a shot. I know I am not a villegar and I don't think fouts is one either. I REALLY think blade is the werewolf leading the charge. He has been really quiet today.

If tangle agrees with me and another person we can swing the vote. Like many others have said situations like this are usually 2 villegars and blade has set us up nicely. If I am wrong go for me tomorrow.

Dodgerchick if you switch your vote this is basiclly the same as voting for fouts but I don't wanna kill an innocent.

UNVOTE FOUTS
VOTE BLADE


OMFG!!! thats a freaking Freudian slip! hes a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!


Unvote Fouts

Vote Lathum

[DaddyTorgo]

UNVOTE FOUTS

VOTE BLADE

[Fouts]

To add, a wolf would have his croonies come in at the last second and save him. He wouldn't switch like this and "hope" others would follow.

[bulletsponge]

Unvote Lathum

[Lorena]

Throwing in the fuckit and the overacting bit, is what I mean. It makes you look like you are with Lathum. If you really were distressed about the vote, you would vote for somebody else and avoid the whole issue.

I'm sorry if you took offense to it. I'm just confused on who to vote for and that's why I added the "fuckit" on there. And yes if Lathum is a wolf, then shame on me for falling for it.

Unvote Fouts

I'm so wishy washy

[tanglewood]

ANyone got a current votecount now?

[Lathum]

not sure i follow there
both fouts and I are villegars. I am sure of it. We both came up with the idea to vote Blade and see what happens. We both came up with it at the same time. If we were wolves we would have let one of us post the idea. By both of us posting it that clears fouts in my mind.

If blade is a villegar go for me tomorrow, but right now the wolves are laughing at us.

[st.cronin]

I have it:

4 - Lathum - molson, Grammaticus, Anxiety, Farrah,
4 - Blade - Lathum, tanglewood, Fouts, DaddyTorgo
2 - Fouts - Blade, SnDvls,
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum

Not voted:

Swaggs
GoldenEagle
greyroofoo
schmidty
bulletsponge
DodgerChick

[DaddyTorgo]

both fouts and I are villegars. I am sure of it. We both came up with the idea to vote Blade and see what happens. We both came up with it at the same time. If we were wolves we would have let one of us post the idea. By both of us posting it that clears fouts in my mind.

If blade is a villegar go for me tomorrow, but right now the wolves are laughing at us.

i think if blade is a villager, you and fouts both die, one after the other. that much is clear.

[Lathum]

i think if blade is a villager, you and fouts both die, one after the other. that much is clear.
i disagree but I see your reasoning.

[bulletsponge]

ok i read posts 889 and 894 and you 2 do make ma point. Blade lead the charge early onto Fouts, but has been oddly absent for the afternoon which is very strange for him when hes "on to something". i still dont trust lathum cause he is one sneaky sob, but for now

Vote Blade

[DaddyTorgo]

i disagree but I see your reasoning.

yet you said "if blade is a villager go for me tomorrow"

i'm just saying, after we went for one of you we'd go for the other, if the first one wasn't the wolf that is...

[Lathum]

only 23 minutes to the deadline and alot of non voters :(

[Blade6119]

I come back at an interesting time it seems. Im not linked with sndvls, so i dont know why people are attaching us together. I have linked myself to path, and to some extent gramat and GE.

I havent pushed hard for fouts, so i dont know why people keep saying that. I asked torgo to pick a number, he picked 2, so i voted fouts. Thats my entire argument. I think people need to re-read my posts to see i didnt champion fouts like some people think. So assuming fouts is good then im bad is a connection i just dont see. But, i cant help dead, so to ehl pmy chances of survivial

UNVOTE FOUTS

VOTE LATHUM

[Lathum]

ok i read posts 889 and 894 and you 2 do make ma point. Blade lead the charge early onto Fouts, but has been oddly absent for the afternoon which is very strange for him when hes "on to something". i still dont trust lathum cause he is one sneaky sob, but for now

Vote Blade
i'll take that as a compliment

[tanglewood]

only 23 minutes to the deadline and alot of non voters :(

True I think this is possibly the most worrying thing. A lot of people have managed to slide by so far in this game not voting.

[bulletsponge]

why would you say trusting lathum or fouts is stupid bullet?


because i saw the whole episode in the Necromancy WW.
no it has nothing to do with this game, let me just say they can both go down with thier ship while playing a piano

[Blade6119]

ok i read posts 889 and 894 and you 2 do make ma point. Blade lead the charge early onto Fouts, but has been oddly absent for the afternoon which is very strange for him when hes "on to something". i still dont trust lathum cause he is one sneaky sob, but for now

Vote Blade
How did i lead a charge by having torgo pick a random number? Can you go quote this charge i made?

[DaddyTorgo]

I come back at an interesting time it seems. Im not linked with sndvls, so i dont know why people are attaching us together. I have linked myself to path, and to some extent gramat and GE.

I havent pushed hard for fouts, so i dont know why people keep saying that. I asked torgo to pick a number, he picked 2, so i voted fouts. Thats my entire argument. I think people need to re-read my posts to see i didnt champion fouts like some people think. So assuming fouts is good then im bad is a connection i just dont see. But, i cant help dead, so to ehl pmy chances of survivial

UNVOTE FOUTS

VOTE LATHUM

because you could have just as easily been gunning for fouts all along and used "pick a number" as a ruse, intending to pick fouts all along.

[tanglewood]

I come back at an interesting time it seems. Im not linked with sndvls, so i dont know why people are attaching us together. I have linked myself to path, and to some extent gramat and GE.

I havent pushed hard for fouts, so i dont know why people keep saying that. I asked torgo to pick a number, he picked 2, so i voted fouts. Thats my entire argument. I think people need to re-read my posts to see i didnt champion fouts like some people think. So assuming fouts is good then im bad is a connection i just dont see. But, i cant help dead, so to ehl pmy chances of survivial

UNVOTE FOUTS

VOTE LATHUM

To be fair, we only saw the end result of your little gameshow-esque voting process. What if Torgo said 3, would Fouts have appear as number 3 in the list? Also as someone who usually frowns on people for voting randomly, always asking for specific reasons on votes, I thought it was odd for you to do something like that.

[Lathum]

how convienient blade shows back up when he is on the chopping block. Is it possible one of the other wolves alerted him to the fact he is on the chopping block?

[Fouts]

Interesting that blade shows up right when the vote shifts to him. Hmm, are the wolves all on some instant messenger??

[molson]

I posted my general reasons for this earlier. I also think he's intimidating the village noobs into not being more helpful.

Unvote Lathum

Vote Blade

[Blade6119]

because you could have just as easily been gunning for fouts all along and used "pick a number" as a ruse, intending to pick fouts all along.
If i wanted fouts dead, i would have been around all day posting to the end. I couldnt care less which of the three dies, as i dont KNOW who any wolves are. I just have suspicions. Fouts is = with lathum on my list. If you believe deep down my whole play to this point was to set up fouts and lathum, then feel free to vote me. You wont like the result, but such is

[Fouts]

To be fair, we only saw the end result of your little gameshow-esque voting process. What if Torgo said 3, would Fouts have appear as number 3 in the list? Also as someone who usually frowns on people for voting randomly, always asking for specific reasons on votes, I thought it was odd for you to do something like that.

Nice catch. Blade always demands a reason for a vote, then comes up with some random reason for his own.

[Lorena]

To be fair, we only saw the end result of your little gameshow-esque voting process. What if Torgo said 3, would Fouts have appear as number 3 in the list? Also as someone who usually frowns on people for voting randomly, always asking for specific reasons on votes, I thought it was odd for you to do something like that.

how convienient blade shows back up when he is on the chopping block. Is it possible one of the other wolves alerted him to the fact he is on the chopping block?

Hmm... for these reasons

Vote Blade

[Blade6119]

Well, looks like im dead...0/3, bravo villagers :(

Hey lathum and fouts, thanks for killing me by the way...i really hope what torgo said about you two dying soon comes to fruition, as you two idiots deserve it after this

[GoldenEagle]

It does not look like I am going to push the agenda that I want to push today.

I am going to go take a crap and decide then. Can I get an updated vote count?

Anyone in the running for getting voted off, post while I am taking a crap your defense.

[saldana]

PING LATHUM: V-I-L-L-A-G-E-R

you are now the official jbmagic of ww

[bulletsponge]

How did i lead a charge by having torgo pick a random number? Can you go quote this charge i made?

you picked him from a random #? if i did that and said so im sure you would be all over my butt and put me on your "wolf list". its something i would expect from a ww noobie.

god im so confused right now, this is why i pick early so i can stick with a pick and not worry. damn if Lathum is pulling a fast on im so voting for him tomorow

[st.cronin]

Here you are:

7 - Blade - molson, Lathum, tanglewood, Fouts, DaddyTorgo, bulletsponge, Dodgerchick
4 - Lathum - Grammaticus, Anxiety, Farrah, Blade
1 - Fouts - SnDvls,
1 - Molson - path12
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum

Not voted:

Swaggs
GoldenEagle
greyroofoo
schmidty

[Greyroofoo]

wouldn't anyone vehemiantly defend themselves if they were on the chopping block?

[Grammaticus]

PING LATHUM: V-I-L-L-A-G-E-R

you are now the official jbmagic of ww
That would be Jbonics

[DaddyTorgo]

oh I think the village is pretty clear blade. if you end up being an innocent, then we're turning on Lathum and Fouts...I think one of you three has almost got to be a wolf.

[saldana]

dola, the above post is a bust on lathums ability to spell, and nothing else

[bulletsponge]

PING LATHUM: V-I-L-L-A-G-E-R

you are now the official jbmagic of ww


OMG its a g-g-g-gh-gh-gh-ghost!

[Blade6119]

wouldn't anyone vehemiantly defend themselves if they were on the chopping block?
With 10 minutes left the tide has swung. Just like i didnt feel a need to post some grand argument against lathum and fouts like they did me, i dont have some big defense. I am a villager, nothing more to it then that. Not a mason, not some secret role. And i just had the top two suspects in the game suddenly become best friends and convince people our only COT so far is totally evil and mastering some evil plan to conquer all. Im dead, i know it, and im too dissapointed to try and defend myself much

[Lathum]

Well, looks like im dead...0/3, bravo villagers :(

Hey lathum and fouts, thanks for killing me by the way...i really hope what torgo said about you two dying soon comes to fruition, as you two idiots deserve it after this
blade showing his typical maturity level

[bulletsponge]

this is why i love WW, the backstabing, twist a minute, getting chowed alive by wolfs action!

[Blade6119]

blade showing his typical maturity level
Thats like the pot calling the kettle black...:rolleyes:

[Greyroofoo]

Vote Blade

[Swaggs]

I'm just catching up and about 3 pages back, so I am going to vote now. Hopefully I can get semi-caught up before the deadline.

Vote Grammaticus.

I voted for him yesterday and see no reason to come off from him at this point.

[st.cronin]

chill out boys, it's a game

[bulletsponge]

Blade does make a good point, Lathum went from head chop to head Chopper real fast, and i always get the "sleazy lawyer" feeling when i back him

[Lathum]

Thats like the pot calling the kettle black...:rolleyes:
actually I alway tell people nothing is personal and congradulate people on a well played game. You are the one who calls people idiots and insults people constantly, but I must admit you've been better this game. I had hoped you were growing up a little but I guess I was wrong

[molson]

It's interesting that GoldenEagle's taken so long to vote, even though he's been lurking, and he's not on the suspect list.

[Barkeep49]

Lurking is fun. I encourage everyone to try it now and again.

[Swaggs]

Damn, it is tough to catch up when things are moving so quick. :)

[Blade6119]

actually I alway tell people nothing is personal and congradulate people on a well played game. You are the one who calls people idiots and insults people constantly, but I must admit you've been better this game. I had hoped you were growing up a little but I guess I was wrong
You mean like in egypt when you made like a half page post full of nothing but curse words for me? Is that how you show nothing is personal. Someone else i might buy that from, but not you lathum. :p

[Chief Rum]

Wow, interesting twists on this day, and that's just reading the last page or so. I can't wait to go back and catch up.

Well, gonna read back some and will comment more when I know more. I see no reason right now to remove my Schmidty vote (it won't make a difference).

[GoldenEagle]

<b>Vote molson</b>

The reason is I think both Blade and Lathum are villagers. I know that molson has no chance of catching Blade, but I am building some momentum for tommorow's vote.

[Blade6119]

Best of luck villagers, hope you guys can turn this ship around! Been fun playing with everyone, especially the new players! Go Team Villager!!!

[Lathum]

You mean like in egypt when you made like a half page post full of nothing but curse words for me? Is that how you show nothing is personal. Someone else i might buy that from, but not you lathum. :p
you had that coming for a long time, and to be honest I regret that post because I am usually not that emotional. I was willing to bury that hatcher untill you decided to call me an idiot.

[Swaggs]

Uh oh... looks like it is going to be Blade.

I don't know how good I feel about this....

[Lathum]

dola-
hatchet. It's amazing, you act like you are the greatest player ever and when someone outplays you instead of complimenting them you refer to name calling

[Abe Sargent]

You guys switched to Blade for no real good reason to my mind.

[Blade6119]

you had that coming for a long time, and to be honest I regret that post because I am usually not that emotional. I was willing to bury that hatcher untill you decided to call me an idiot.
I would have called anyone an idiot...its becuase your being led astray(you prob. know that). That wasnt an attack on you(you should know what my attacks are like), which is why your defense took my by suprise. I have/had buried the hatchet, apparently you have not. But you will have time to now that im dead

[st.cronin]

Final vote:

8 - Blade - molson, Lathum, tanglewood, Fouts, DaddyTorgo, bulletsponge, Dodgerchick, greyroofoo
4 - Lathum - Grammaticus, Anxiety, Farrah, Blade
1 - Fouts - SnDvls,
2 - Molson - path12, GoldenEagle
1 - Schmidty - ChiefRum
1 - Grammaticus - Swaggs

Not voted:

schmidty


Results coming

[Lathum]

fine

*hatchet buried, shakes blades hand *

[Fouts]

You guys switched to Blade for no real good reason to my mind.

Not dying is a good reason. If you had a better candidate, you should have spoken up.

[Lathum]

btw, second non vote in a row for schmidty

[bulletsponge]

Blade is bound to be a wolf soon, this is my 3rd game with him and hes been a villager both other times

[Abe Sargent]

I hope to get this posted before st cronin posts results -

I think was a Day One vote, not a Day Three vfote. You guys did not vote for game reasons, because Bklade was playing fine, but because he was Blade.

[bulletsponge]

:( schmity :eek: :( :mad: :mad:

[Abe Sargent]

Not dying is a good reason. If you had a better candidate, you should have spoken up.


I did. I voted for him.

[Fouts]

I hope to get this posted before st cronin posts results -

I think was a Day One vote, not a Day Three vfote. You guys did not vote for game reasons, because Bklade was playing fine, but because he was Blade.

No blade was acting unusual, which makes me think he is a wolf. Plus he targeted me on his list. Good enough for me to vote for him.

[Abe Sargent]

He was like Blade tamed. The Square Root of Blade

[Fouts]

I did. I voted for him.

You might have been right, but I had more on blade. He was gone all day for 2 days and his voting was leading to villagers dying (chubby and me).

[st.cronin]

With the body count soaring in your panic-stricken village, your group is out for justice, and vengeance - Lathum, Fouts, and others are accused of being wolves, or being in league with the wolves. Finally, though, a consensus emerges - Blade must be killed. Hands are placed on him, and he is dragged to the staking ground, where a wooden stake is hammered through his heart. He dies without a struggle, as a human - he is a mere villager, as he claimed. But as you look closely, you realize that you have not killed Blade, it is instead LATHUM that you have killed! What madness is this? Some Houdini tricked you into killing Lathum! Surely this is the work of Dr. Reimann! Lathum, then, was a mere villager - what of Blade then? You all eye him suspiciously, and with fear in your hearts you realize that the sun is setting, and you still have not found a wolf, a vampire, or the insane Dr. Reimann.

NIGHT 3 HAS BEGUN - deadline 9am Thursday

[tanglewood]

I hope to get this posted before st cronin posts results -

I think was a Day One vote, not a Day Three vfote. You guys did not vote for game reasons, because Bklade was playing fine, but because he was Blade.

I think the fact he voted for Fouts in such a bizzare way, especially considering how rigorous he normally is, is what really flagged it for me.

[Abe Sargent]

You might have been right, but I had more on blade. He was gone all day for 2 days and his voting was leading to villagers dying (chubby and me).


I can't assume you are right on the second point and lots of people voted for Chubs. That's why he was lynched.

[Fouts]

WTF!

[bulletsponge]

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[molson]

Allrighty

[Greyroofoo]

i'm confused

[Barkeep49]

What a twist! What a turn!

[bulletsponge]

Blade you trick sob, i cant hate you for pulling that fast one, only aplaud

*stands at attention and applauds*

bravo

[GoldenEagle]

Oh shi......

[Abe Sargent]

Maybe Day Four we will do more to actually vote with a reason than Day Three.

[Barkeep49]

That wasnt an attack on you(you should know what my attacks are like)

I love it when a guy can explain that no insult was meant by an offensive statement because he often does WORSE insults and the other guy agrees and "buries" the hatchet.

[Lathum]

lol, i feel honored

[st.cronin]

lol

[bulletsponge]

Blade is Dr Reimann. is that good or bad? or did someone else change the vote?

[Lorena]

Oh god my head is spinning...

[Abe Sargent]

I would like to applaud the wolves. I bet Blade is a villager, and now instead of wasting one day killing Blade, we'll waste two days going after Blade tomorrow.


*applauds*

Sometimes I feel like the Cassandra character of our little play.

[Lathum]

I love it when a guy can explain that no insult was meant by an offensive statement because he often does WORSE insults and the other guy agrees and "buries" the hatchet.
what can i say, i am a mature adult

[molson]

Maybe Day Four we will do more to actually vote with a reason than Day Three.

WTF - you voted for a villager

[bulletsponge]

waiting for an explanation from balde

[Swaggs]

Can't wait to see where this goes now...

[Blade6119]

I would like to applaud the wolves. I bet Blade is a villager, and now instead of wasting one day killing Blade, we'll waste two days going after Blade tomorrow.


*applauds*

Sometimes I feel like the Cassandra character of our little play.
They wont believe me, but anxiety is right on...i did not see it coming, and whoever Dr. Reiman is right now is by far the MVP for the dark side...genious play. Question i ask myself though, is are you cassandra or just a greek trying to survive by telling about the horse

[tanglewood]

waiting for an explanation from balde

Ditto.

[Abe Sargent]

WTF - you voted for a villager


If you lynch a candidate for the wrong reasons, like at random, and hit a wolf, it's still bad strategy.

[Swaggs]

This points to Blade almost too much... I'm not sure what to think about that.

[Lathum]

just want to thank St. Cronin for running a great game, eat you next time

[Swaggs]

Does anyone see any good reason why Reimann would use his sole defense to save Blade and/or knock out Lathum?

I am leaning towards thinking that Blade is Reimann, acting on self preservation.