Florida State vs Miami, good game to watch tonight?

[Icy]

I see it's going to be at EST 8pm, that means it will be so late for me, my 2:00 AM and it will last until my 5:00 AM. It's going to be my first game watched this season as i missed the weekend ones and i'm hungry for college football.

Should i watch it and ruin my working day tomorrow being like a zombie with only 4 hours slept? Do you guys think it will be a good game?
Thanks.

[timmynausea]

I say watch it. It's a really high stakes game for the opening week that figures to be a good game, and if it ends up getting out of hand one way or the other you can always go to bed.

[Easy Mac]

i'd rather castrate myself than watch this game (and I'm an FSU fan), but I'm already engaged, so I may as well watch it.

[Craptacular]

I predict a 2-0 game, with one kicker hitting both uprights and the crossbar on a last-second FG attempt.

[tucker rocky]

2 green QB's playing, ought to be interesting, maybe.

3-0 FSU by the way.

[tucker rocky]

Only thing interesting about this game might be the Miami and FSU cheerleaders. :D

[TroyF]

So does ESPN have this sucker covered or what?

I guess I can understand the coaches being filmed from start to finish. The QB's though? I really need to see the QB on the bench watching the D or getting coached? Is there anyone in the world who actually finds that interesting?

Oh well, just watching the regular telecast on the main network. Miami's Oline looks horrible.

[Icy]

#7 LB from FSU is so fast, he is everywhere (including the sack).

[tucker rocky]

I can remember when these 2 teams played, this thread would've been flooded.

Since the 2 teams are lame ducks in the water, I can see why there is no interest.
Just another ordinary, or worse, awful game.

[Vegas Vic]

Miami CB Glenn Sharpe (#4) used to post here on FOFC, but I forgot what his username was. It's good to see that he's overcome those injuries over the past two years. Best of luck to him.

[Neuqua]

Miami CB Glenn Sharpe (#4) used to post here on FOFC, but I forgot what his username was. It's good to see that he's overcome those injuries over the past two years. Best of luck to him.

huve

[cthomer5000]

Miami CB Glenn Sharpe (#4) used to post here on FOFC, but I forgot what his username was. It's good to see that he's overcome those injuries over the past two years. Best of luck to him.

huve

QuikSand started a thread about his comeback recently.

[cthomer5000]

I can remember when these 2 teams played, this thread would've been flooded.

Since the 2 teams are lame ducks in the water, I can see why there is no interest.
Just another ordinary, or worse, awful game.

I think it's a combo of the game being so early in the year and both teams clearly being a level or two worse than their peak.

[tucker rocky]

I think it's a combo of the game being so early in the year and both teams clearly being a level or two worse than their peak.

Game should be moved back to its traditional late season meeting.

[Toddzilla]

It's an important game, since it will most likely decide who will finish 2nd in the ACC.

Go Hokies!

[miami_fan]

Game should be moved back to its traditional late season meeting.

I have heard rumors that it is supposed to be moved back to October next year.

[cthomer5000]

Game should be moved back to its traditional late season meeting.

I think that benefits the fans more than the teams though. They probably both want it early so that they can shrug off the loss. We all know late-season losses are far worse than early season ones as far as the polls are concerned.

And if you want any game to be exciting, bet on it... It becomes incredibly compelling fast.

[Toddzilla]

I have heard rumors that it is supposed to be moved back to October next year.I thought it was intentionally moved to the beginning of the year by both schools so it would minimize the impact the loss would have on either team's rankings. Lose now, and you have the rest ofthe season to climb back into contention. Go undefeated and lose on the last week, and you're on the outside looking in.

[Icy]

Has there been a play where there hasn't been a flag?

At least the canes are starting to move the ball now, i was about to go to bed.

[cthomer5000]

Now i remember this game.. both teams running the Thad Pilkington all-screen pass offense. Miami needs to lay the fuck off that WR screen before one gets taken to the house.

(and they run another screen on the next play...god almighty).

[miami_fan]

Early impressions

Kyle Wright has improved
The O-line seems to be better without the "All American" left tackle
That MLB for FSU is a beast

[cthomer5000]

I shit my pants every time Wright drops back. He looks terrible.

[miami_fan]

I shit my pants every time Wright drops back. He looks terrible.

As long as he keeps the INTs at zero, he can look as bad as he wants.

[cthomer5000]

As long as he keeps the INTs at zero, he can look as bad as he wants.

I mean, he cannot handle even the slightest bit of pressure, and when he puts the ball down and trys to run, he's as timid as possible (next to just taking a knee). They really need to try to run it a bit more, because he's practically getting them negative yardage on the average play, and they aren't pass-blocking well.

[Vegas Vic]

The idiot female reporter asks Bowden what they can do to improve the offense in the 2nd half. He says, "Blocking". She asks him, other than that, what do they need to get the running game going. He looks at her incredulously, pauses for a moment, and repeats "Blocking!"

[TroyF]

Agree with what was said earlier about #7 on FSU's D. Guy is incredible. As is the young safety of Miami. #6. Guys all over the field.

Not impressed at all with either OLine or QB. Aything over a four yard pass is impossible to complete even on the rare occasions these guys get time. I'm impressed Wright got up from his hit on the three though. Hopefully he learned his lesson about getting the hell out of bounds.

[st.cronin]

I actually have been somewhat impressed with Kyle Wright. I think he's almost as good as John Stocco, or maybe Chad Henne.

[Logan]

The idiot female reporter asks Bowden what they can do to improve the offense in the 2nd half. He says, "Blocking". She asks him, other than that, what do they need to get the running game going. He looks at her incredulously, pauses for a moment, and repeats "Blocking!"

The only words a female should speak on a football field are "Go team!" and the like.

[miami_fan]

Didn't they rule that down?

[cthomer5000]

Miami should just punt on first down.

[cthomer5000]

actually Miami should kneel 3 times then punt. Ball control offense.

[cthomer5000]

Wright is fucking horrible.

[miami_fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2572780

Florida State coach Bobby Bowden knows why his team is playing rival Miami at the Orange Bowl on Monday night, rather than some I-AA patsy like so many of college football's other top 25 teams played this weekend.

"The publicity part of it, you can't buy it," Bowden said. "You can't pay enough money to get that type of national attention."


Bobby Bowden loves the attention the series gets, but will be happy when he doesn't have to open the season against Miami.Two years ago, when the ACC launched its expanded league, it made sense for the Seminoles and Hurricanes to play on Labor Day night. With the addition of Miami, the ACC had one of college football's most celebrated rivalries. What better stage for the league to flaunt its addition than on national television on what is traditionally considered the last day of summer?

But the first two editions of the ACC's FSU-Miami contest proved the league would be better served to stage the game later in the season. While the last two games of the rivalry have been close -- Miami won 16-10 in the Orange Bowl on Sept. 10, 2004 and Florida State won 10-7 in Tallahassee on Sept. 5, 2005 -- neither was an instant classic. There was little offense in either game, and both contests were plagued by penalties, turnovers and special teams gaffes.

"It forces you to come out sharp," Miami quarterback Kyle Wright said. "Normally, teams have warmup games where you can go out and make mistakes and still come out on top. We know we've got to come out and be sharp. It's a great challenge right out of the gates. It forces you to be on top of your game."

Thankfully, this will be the last season in the foreseeable future in which Florida State and Miami will play in an opener. The game will be moved to later in the season, probably to the first Saturday in October. In the future, the game might actually decide which team plays in a BCS bowl game or stays in contention for a national championship.

As it stands now, the game has less bearing on the ACC standings (the teams are in different divisions) and the national championship race. After Monday night, both teams will still have 11 games left to play, so this game hardly decides anything.

Last season, Miami lost to the Seminoles when punter Brian Monroe botched the hold on what might have been a game-tying field goal with 2:30 left. But the Hurricanes then reeled off eight consecutive victories and climbed to No. 3 in the national rankings. Miami was very much in the BCS title game race until it lost to Georgia Tech (that loss also knocked the Hurricanes out of the inaugural ACC championship game, which the Seminoles won).

So when Florida State and Miami play this early in the season, there are still months to recover and climb in the rankings.

"I have mixed emotions about it because, as I've said before, the media attention that this game brings to our players and the university is really special," Miami coach Larry Coker said. "We're still going to play Florida State, whether it be the first game or in the middle of the season or whenever."

November is supposed to be the month to remember in college football. That's when many of the sport's biggest rivalries are played. On Nov. 18, Michigan plays Ohio State. California faces Southern Cal. Auburn and Alabama play the Iron Bowl.

On that day, Florida State hosts Western Michigan and Miami plays at Virginia.

"I don't think anyone enjoys opening with Miami," Bowden said. "Miami is one of those teams where there is not a good time to play them."

[mtolson]

I have been a FSU fan for almost all my life, but I am sad to say the the FSU offense has been terrible for the last couple of years. To many audible. I think they confuse themselves. Boy do I miss the days of Charlie Ward and Warrick Dunn.

[cthomer5000]

I cannot see the Miami offense scoring unless they start inside the 20 or score on one huge (40+ yards) play.

[Greyroofoo]

wow, I bet with a name like Fagg you got picked on a lot as a kid.

[cthomer5000]

Both FSU lines are winning their battles in this half by large margins.

[st.cronin]

Fellas, the end zone is THAT way.

[Tigercat]

How disappointing is Xavier Lee that Weatherford is better than he is? Weatherford isn't HORRIBLE, but I can't imagine a guy with Xavier Lee's talent isn't better than this guy at this point. (Unless, Lee really is that bad.)

[kingfc22]

Is that Edge's brother?

Ah, nevermind. It's his cousin.

[miami_fan]

The coaching staff has been unorganized all night. They can't seem to get the right players and/or the play called.

[cthomer5000]

Man... Miami just fucking sucks ass.

[Vegas Vic]

The thing that stands out most to me is how far Miami's offensive line play has deteriorated over the past two years. They used to come out and just dominate, and now they look like a very average college o-line.

[miami_fan]

Sharpe is playing one helluva game

[General Mike]

Sharpe looks solid.

[cthomer5000]

ran off no clock and didnt run it when a few yards gives you a FG opportunity?

[cthomer5000]

Miami... WHAT. THE. FUCK?!

[kingfc22]

Maimi looks bad.

[miami_fan]

You catch with you hands!

[Logan]

I know this answer is about 3 hours late...but the correct response is "no."

[st.cronin]

Egads.

[kingfc22]

This new clock rule is absurd.

[cthomer5000]

This new clock rule is absurd.

Yeah, seems like a really silly situation to start running the clock (after change of posession).

[miami_fan]

This new clock rule is absurd.

Especially since about 45 minutes of the "3 hour time limit" was due to replays and such

[miami_fan]

And the Larry Coker damage control begins

[cthomer5000]

Kyle Wright is a total piece of crap. I dunn who else they have, but anyone surely must be better. Or at least no more inadequate.

[DeToxRox]

Kyle Wright is a total piece of crap. I dunn who else they have, but anyone surely must be better. Or at least no more inadequate.

They have a grand total of two QB's under scholarship

[miami_fan]

Congrats Ksyrup and the rest of the Noles fans.

[Ksyrup]

Woo freakin' hoo! Feels weird not to have anyone but my wife to celebrate with, but I'll take it. After seeing what football is like at UK last night versus this tonight, I think I'll stick with FSU, thanks. :D

I still don't have a clue what Jeff Bowden has done to deserve his job - between the terrible playcalling to get the offense going (I was screaming for the lob to Carr by midway in the first quarter), and his God-awful clock management at the end of the game (35 yard line and you throw 3 incompletions?...3 and 4 to end the game with a first down and you hand off to the FB, who only knows how to fall forward? Assinine!), his players continue to bail him out. They're so talented they make his awful decision-making look mediocre by comparison.

Anyway, the big thing to come out of this game is:
Weatherford 2-0 vs. Miami
Rix 0-5 vs. Miami

Things are hopefully going to turn around. Eight home games remaining in the final 11 games - and 1 of those is Duke. Plus, the ACC Championship game is in Jacksonville. If the offensive line can actually run block and gain some consistency, we could be BCS-bound by default. Or 8-4. One or the other.

[miami_fan]

Well Larry, what happens now? Tonight's game has converted one of your long time defenders. I believed all the "Oh Larry is a such a nice guy so that makes him a good head coach" bullshit before but no more. Since 2001 (when most of Butch Davis's players were still here), the Canes have dropped from #1 down to 17 after the embarassing loss in the Peach Bowl. Never mind the decline in all the major offensive stats since 2001. But this year was different. It was all supposed to change because you got new coaches this summer. New attitude, better game plans, better team, right? It was all the fault of Dan Werner and Art Kehoe etc, right? Everything was going to be a-okay this season. And this is what the team....wait... sorry..... the offense starts off with? Well coach, if you were not on the hot seat before your butt firmly in place now. How embarassing that you got called out by LEE FUCKING CORSO! You have 11 days to get the team ready or we will truly be humiliated at Louisville.

[RendeR]

These two teams are awful, why the hell are they even ranked in the top 20 of the nation?

I watched a high school game saturday with better coaching and probably as much talent.

Seriously, someone rationalize for me how these piss poor excuses for college programs keep getting ranked in the top echelon of NCAA squads?? These teams used to be powerhouses, but for the last 3-5 years they've been little more than speed bumps for the rest of the NCAA. Why the hell do they keep garnering praise and respect for this terrible terrible product?

[Icy]

I went to bed in the halftime finally, the game was so boring and too long because the thousands of penalties.

[Noop]

These two teams are awful, why the hell are they even ranked in the top 20 of the nation?

I watched a high school game saturday with better coaching and probably as much talent.

Seriously, someone rationalize for me how these piss poor excuses for college programs keep getting ranked in the top echelon of NCAA squads?? These teams used to be powerhouses, but for the last 3-5 years they've been little more than speed bumps for the rest of the NCAA. Why the hell do they keep garnering praise and respect for this terrible terrible product?

Great Defense on both sides. Miami's defense is flat out dominate same for Florida State.

[Ksyrup]

Little more than speed bumps for the rest of the NCAA? Um...no.

[Ksyrup]

Well Larry, what happens now? Tonight's game has converted one of your long time defenders. I believed all the "Oh Larry is a such a nice guy so that makes him a good head coach" bullshit before but no more. Since 2001 (when most of Butch Davis's players were still here), the Canes have dropped from #1 down to 17 after the embarassing loss in the Peach Bowl. Never mind the decline in all the major offensive stats since 2001. But this year was different. It was all supposed to change because you got new coaches this summer. New attitude, better game plans, better team, right? It was all the fault of Dan Werner and Art Kehoe etc, right? Everything was going to be a-okay this season. And this is what the team....wait... sorry..... the offense starts off with? Well coach, if you were not on the hot seat before your butt firmly in place now. How embarassing that you got called out by LEE FUCKING CORSO! You have 11 days to get the team ready or we will truly be humiliated at Louisville.

The thing that struck me about Miami, especially in the first half, was how disorganized they were. The 12 men on the field, having to sub people at the last second...I don't know who runs the show on the sidelines, but it looked like they hadn't practiced the basics of getting their packages and special teams on and off the field.

As far as penalties go, I thought FSU did a much better job in the second half. As usual though, they gave enough away in penalties to allow Miami to stay in it. Without that spearing call, Miami might not have even gotten a TD.

I thought the officiating was OK, other than the clear missed call on the Miami fumble that they reviewed but couldn't overturn. At least that's how I took it...there's no way they looked at that replay and determined that he didn't fumble. I think it was unreviewable because someone had blown the play dead. But the announcers and the ref didn't explain it well.

[Ksyrup]

BTW, I wanted to say that Glen played a great game last night. He really only got beat on one "big" play, and that took a helluva catch by Fagg. Otherwise, he was really solid.

[Butter]

Much like last year, couldn't think of a worse game to really kick off the college football season. What did Miami have in the 2nd half, 10 yards? Christ, throw the ball downfield.... Wright wouldn't even do it with 50 seconds left and 60 yards to go.

[MikeVick7]

Much like last year, couldn't think of a worse game to really kick off the college football season. What did Miami have in the 2nd half, 10 yards? Christ, throw the ball downfield.... Wright wouldn't even do it with 50 seconds left and 60 yards to go.
While I appreciate that both of these teams, despite the loads of talent and speed, do not choose to run 3 & 4 receiver sets all the time and stick with a more basic offense like the I-form. Basically saying that we'll win with our talent and not the scheme. But don't you come to a point in that game last night when you've got under 200 yard total offense and say, "Fellas...maybe we should spread things out a bit and try something different?"

[Ksyrup]

This game should (and will be) moved back to when it has historically been played (second weekend in October). That's early enough that either team can come back from a loss, and it allows them to prepare for the better competition by getting in a few games first. At this point, the defenses are way too advanced for the offenses. Neither offense is as bad as they looked last night, and by and large, they proved it last year. You just can't take on that kind of defense game 1 and expect to look good.

Combined, the teams rushed 51 times for 3 yards. I know that includes sacks, but come on. No way does that reflect the reality of either team's rushing attack. Although FSU's biggest question mark is the OL, so I hope they turn it around really quickly. And they get Troy next, so....

[Butter]

And they get Troy next, so....

Hey, The Citadel was up 10-0 on them last year, so you never know.

[Ksyrup]

62-10 was the final. And I think it served as a nice wake-up call.

It'll be nice getting out from under the short-notice scheduling we had to do when Miami became an in-conference game. I think we've got UAB next year, too. Of course, we've also got Alabama and Colorado. Given their game over the weekend, maybe Colorado will effectively replace Troy on our schedule next year.

[Buccaneer]

What is pissing me off are the articles calling this a "very rich tradition". Yet another case of those not knowing anything that went on before 25 yrs ago. OSU/Mich has a very rich tradition. So does UT/UO as well as UGA/Auburn. Calling something that basically started in the 1980s is not very rich tradition.

[KevinNU7]

Can someone explain the new clock rules for me?

[QuikSand]

What is pissing me off are the articles calling this a "very rich tradition". Yet another case of those not knowing anything that went on before 25 yrs ago. OSU/Mich has a very rich tradition. So does UT/UO as well as UGA/Auburn. Calling something that basically started in the 1980s is not very rich tradition.

Out of respect for tradition, I might recommend referencing Oklahoma University as OU, rather than UO.

Your call on noting Georgia as the big rival of Auburn. I would have thought otherwise, but I don't claim any insider knowledge there.

[VPI97]

Can someone explain the new clock rules for me?
The game clock starts running upon the ball being set after change of possession, rather than waiting for the ball to be snapped.

In a game with 20 possession changes, that would amount to around 4-5 minutes of running clock that wouldn't have been there last season. Strategically, it hurts teams that are behind at the end of the game because you can't rely on the 'call three straight time outs' strategy since the clock is running four times on a three and out possession. (before the first snap, after 1st down, after 2nd down, after 3rd down)

[Butter]

I can't imagine them keeping this rule next year. It is horrid.

[Ksyrup]

Can someone explain the new clock rules for me?


On change of possession, the clock starts on the "ready for play" signal, not the snap of the ball. Which basically means two things: (a) the offense and defense better be ready to get on the field after a turnover or punt, because the clock starts quickly and chances are the offense is going to need to run a play right away; and (b) end of half/game scenarios are going to be extremely difficult to pull off, because - as Miami did last night - you have to save at least 1 timeout for the change of possession. You no longer get a free timeout when the other team punts to you. Miami waited to use their last TO after FSU punted, and last year, they could have used that TO to stop the clock after FSU's 3rd down and had another clock stoppage after the punt.

Also, the clock starts when the ball is kicked off, not just when it is touched by the receiving team.

Basically, the chance for teams to tie or win games in the last minute or so has drastically been reduced. Since teams are essentially losing TOs because of the new change of possession clock rule, you've basically got to think of your possession with 5 minutes left as your last-gasp, 2 minute drill.

[KevinNU7]

Ok, I thought that was the rule change, but someone earlier mentioned that they had gone over 3 hours and I thought that meant some sort of trigger or something.

I think it might be the dumbest rule change in the history of college football.

[Buccaneer]

Out of respect for tradition, I might recommend referencing Oklahoma University as OU, rather than UO.

Your call on noting Georgia as the big rival of Auburn. I would have thought otherwise, but I don't claim any insider knowledge there.

Understood, I was in a hurry this morning and just went with abbreviations but you knew whom I was referring to.

UGA/Auburn goes back continuously to the 19th century. While it may not be as big as Alabama/Auburn for emotions and psychosis, it's a good representative for the SE, from which I could have picked a few others that would be much more traditional than the new kids down in Florida. However, rivalries like Harvard/Yale wouldn't count because they have to be relevant today.

[Blade6119]

What is pissing me off are the articles calling this a "very rich tradition". Yet another case of those not knowing anything that went on before 25 yrs ago. OSU/Mich has a very rich tradition. So does UT/UO as well as UGA/Auburn. Calling something that basically started in the 1980s is not very rich tradition.

Arizona State and University of Arizona have the longest running rivalry in 1A, something like since 1891 or something...random fact

[st.cronin]

Arizona State and University of Arizona have the longest running rivalry in 1A, something like since 1891 or something...random fact

Wisconsin-Minnesota, actually.

[Blade6119]

Wisconsin-Minnesota, actually.

Continuous...it was on ESPN during the ASU game...other rivalries have gone longer, but no other has gone as long playing every year

[Buccaneer]

Would you agree that a rivalry should have national exposure? I mean, folks in the northeast wouldn't care anything about ASU/UA but they would USC/UCLA. UT/OU game is probably big everywhere. But regardless, FSU/Miami do not deserve to be mentioned anywhere close to having a rich tradition.

[Blade6119]

Would you agree that a rivalry should have national exposure? I mean, folks in the northeast wouldn't care anything about ASU/UA but they would USC/UCLA. UT/OU game is probably big everywhere. But regardless, FSU/Miami do not deserve to be mentioned anywhere close to having a rich tradition.

Not really...by your rule, UGA/Auburn isnt one, and neither is OSU/MICH. I care about OU/UT becuase im a big 12 fan. I couldnt care less about the big 10 or SEC, though i like the ACC a lot and enjoyed the miami/fsu game. And to be fair, i couldnt care less about UCLA/USC. Rich tradition to me means close games(the FSU field goal saga is a great reason it deserves to be a national rivalry) over a period of time between two teams with a history of being similar in talent

[Galaxy]

Would you agree that a rivalry should have national exposure? I mean, folks in the northeast wouldn't care anything about ASU/UA but they would USC/UCLA. UT/OU game is probably big everywhere. But regardless, FSU/Miami do not deserve to be mentioned anywhere close to having a rich tradition.


I always think of Navy-Army as the greatest football rival. But it comes down to personal preference.

[Buccaneer]

That's true. Games like OSU/Mich and Army/Navy make headlines/front page in nearly every paper in the country. I don't know what Blade is talking about.

[Noble_Platypus]

Anybody else notice the apparent lack of arm strength this guys showed? I dont think Weatherford can throw anything other than a screen or a jump ball. I guess all post patterns have been removed from the FSU playbook this year. These guys are just horrible. How do these 2 teams end up with such miserable talent at QB?

[TroyF]

Not really...by your rule, UGA/Auburn isnt one, and neither is OSU/MICH. I care about OU/UT becuase im a big 12 fan. I couldnt care less about the big 10 or SEC, though i like the ACC a lot and enjoyed the miami/fsu game. And to be fair, i couldnt care less about UCLA/USC. Rich tradition to me means close games(the FSU field goal saga is a great reason it deserves to be a national rivalry) over a period of time between two teams with a history of being similar in talent

huh?

I'm not sure how you can be a football fan and not get caught up in the OSU/MICH rivalry. One of the best in all of sports. There are certain games where I dislike both teams, but it doesn't matter, I'm glued to the TV.

(note, I actually like some of these teams) :)

USC/UCLA
Texas/OU
Auburn/Bama
Tennessee/Florida
FSU/Miami
Nebraska/OU
Notre Dame vs. Michigan/USC
Michigan/OSU

These are just games I watch pretty much every year regardless of like/love/hate the schools playing in them. To me this is one of the biggest advantage college has to pro. I like the pro game better in almost every aspect. From the skill of the players to the playoffs and championship game.

The great college football rivalries are something to see.

PS: Bucc, I understand some of the games I listed there don't have "tradition" in the truest sense of the word. But those games are some that I remember seeing as I started understanding the game and watching it. FSU/Miami may have been crap in 1973. But for my history and viewing, it has been one fo the best series I've ever seen.

[wade moore]

This is my chance to note that W&M vs. Richmond is the Oldest Rivalry in the South.

Meaningless in this discussion, but you guys know I love to bring up W&M when I can.

(although interesting that Wikipedia mentions this name that I know for UR and W&M "Oldest Rivalry in the South" for UVA and UNC).

[Craptacular]

If the offensive line can actually run block and gain some consistency, we could be BCS-bound by default. Or 8-4. One or the other.

Uhh, remember last year? How about both?

[nole4sho]

Great Defense on both sides. Miami's defense is flat out dominate same for Florida State.

Geezy played lights out.

[Neuqua]

WeHateTheNewClockRules.com

[finkenst]

amen, neuqua

[Ksyrup]

Uhh, remember last year? How about both?

This year there is only one BCS Bowl, and it is the final game of the year. That's what I was referring to.

[Ksyrup]

Would you agree that a rivalry should have national exposure? I mean, folks in the northeast wouldn't care anything about ASU/UA but they would USC/UCLA. UT/OU game is probably big everywhere. But regardless, FSU/Miami do not deserve to be mentioned anywhere close to having a rich tradition.

FSU/Miami has packed more meaningful games into the past 20 years than most of your "rich tradition" rivalries have played in 100 years. It's a tradition that they play, and the quality of the games makes it rich. But you can define it to the point where it wouldn't count under your definition.