NFL Week 9 Discussion

[Greyroofoo]

Can't wait for the Colts/Pats game tonight, but for now its Lions/Falcons

Woohoo! Lions just recovered a fumble :)

[TazFTW]

It looked like Julius Jones had the ball outside the endzone when his knee touched inside the endzone. Was it the right call to call it a safety?

[Greyroofoo]

Another woohoo!

Kevin Jones with a 35 yard TD run

10-0 Lions

[TazFTW]

TD Terry Glenn!

[Tekneek]

Anybody watching/listening to the Falcons/Lions? I am listening on the radio and I thought that referee was about to say, "Lambda Lambda Lambda and Omega Mu." For some reason his voice reminded me of that guy from Revenge of the Nerds.

[Logan]

Any Rams fans...what's up with Holt today?

[Ragone]

Chiefs are rolling over a safety to bracket Holt.. which mean's dump off's to Jackson are open all day long :)

[TazFTW]

TD to Owens, 19-12 Cowboys.

Ro-mo!
Ro-mo!
Ro-mo!

[Rizon]

TD to Owens, 19-12 Cowboys.

Ro-mo!
Ro-mo!
Ro-mo!

Ro-mo > Babysoe
The plastic plate I'm eating of of > Babysoe

[Greyroofoo]

Lions really need to work on their red zone offense.

[Easy Mac]

Ray lewis in severe pain after a fumble return by McCallister (which will likely be ruled as not a fumble). Looks to be some sort of STABBING pain in his leg. i fail to shed a tear.

[TazFTW]

Damn it TO, that was six.

[TazFTW]

Why is the reverse in the playbook? It never works.

[Easy Mac]

because it sets up the double reverse

[Greyroofoo]

Touchdown Roy Williams.

First time all year I get to see the Lions and they aren't dissapointing.

[dime]

I think that announcers have a template for brett favre apologies...he's made more terrible throws that any other "good" QB I've ever seen.

[Cringer]

I think that announcers have a template for brett favre apologies...he's made more terrible throws that any other "good" QB I've ever seen.

I don't have the game here so I didn't see what I shall call 'The INT that lost the game.' But sitting at first and goal on the Buffalo 1 yard line I can't say I am too happy about it.

WTF were they doing even passing anyways? It looks like they have been running he ball pretty good. :mad:

[Tigercat]

Saints the best looking NFC contender this week! :) Good to see they could get it done without Joe Horn and with an undrafted rookie dressing out in his first game to start at LT. This team is certainly something special; Marques Colston should be one of the bigger stories in the NFL right now.

[kingnebwsu]

Officials ruin another potential Bengals victory. 4-4 instead of maybe being 6-2 (should have been AT LEAST 5-3 with the other blown call earlier this year). Fucking ridiculous. Why the hell do I even watch the NFL?

[TazFTW]

Miss it, miss it, miss it...

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[TazFTW]

He missed it!!!

[dime]

I don't have the game here so I didn't see what I shall call 'The INT that lost the game.' But sitting at first and goal on the Buffalo 1 yard line I can't say I am too happy about it.

WTF were they doing even passing anyways? It looks like they have been running he ball pretty good. :mad:

It was one of his patented jump-passes, a quick slant to driver that was very, very well covered.

[Cringer]

Officials ruin another potential Bengals victory. 4-4 instead of maybe being 6-2 (should have been AT LEAST 5-3 with the other blown call earlier this year). Fucking ridiculous. Why the hell do I even watch the NFL?

The officials don't line up and play on the Bengals offense or defense. :rolleyes:

[TazFTW]

Ro-mo!
Ro-mo!
Ro-mo!

[Cringer]

It was one of his patented jump-passes, a quick slant to driver that was very, very well covered.

3 games without an INT, he was do I have to say. :(

And I am nottaking any blame off of a bad Favre pass, I justwant to know WTF they didn't try to run the damn ball? I hate Mike McCarthy so far.

[TazFTW]

#%^! FG blocked. :mad:

[TazFTW]

Miss it, miss it, miss it...

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[TazFTW]

fuck.

[dime]

should have only been a 5 yard penalty on the facemask flag...and it won them the game!

[DeToxRox]

Officials ruin another potential Bengals victory. 4-4 instead of maybe being 6-2 (should have been AT LEAST 5-3 with the other blown call earlier this year). Fucking ridiculous. Why the hell do I even watch the NFL?

Sorry if I find it hard to have sympathy for a team full of thugs and the bitchiest fans in the NFL.

[Fonzie]

I don't have the game here so I didn't see what I shall call 'The INT that lost the game.' But sitting at first and goal on the Buffalo 1 yard line I can't say I am too happy about it.

WTF were they doing even passing anyways? It looks like they have been running he ball pretty good. :mad:

I haven't been able to watch the game, but following it on the web this has been perhaps the most aggravating Packers game of the entire season. They completely dominated Buffalo in almost every aspect of the game. They outgained the Bills 427-184, got 26 1st downs to Buffalo's 10, were penalized half as many times as Buffalo, controlled the clock (34-26), and were better on 3rd downs (7/16 vs. 2/11). Buffalo won by 2 TDs because of stupid, amateurish turnovers. From the Packers gameday blogs I've read Buffalo didn't even make good plays to get those turnovers - the Packers just seem to have been careless.

And MM calling a pass play on 1st & 1 from the 1? Stupid. Astonishingly stupid.

[miami_fan]

Wow. What an ending!

[Logan]

should have only been a 5 yard penalty on the facemask flag...and it won them the game!

Sorry, I don't know what you were looking at, but that was a clear 15 yarder. He got a hold of the facemask and turned Taylor's head around.

[miami_fan]

Joe Gibbs can't take too many more of those

[Easy Mac]

wow, that was a weird ending in washington. missed GW FG, 40 seconds later, blocked GW FG, then a GW FG.

[Raiders Army]

LOL. That was great with the field goal.

[dime]

Sorry, I don't know what you were looking at, but that was a clear 15 yarder. He got a hold of the facemask and turned Taylor's head around.

nope, it was incidental. not that I care who wins that game, but it shouldn't have been a 15-yarder.

[Easy Mac]

thats the call you get when you give different penalties on the exact same infraction. i've seen that called either

[Logan]

nope, it was incidental. not that I care who wins that game, but it shouldn't have been a 15-yarder.

You can't say it's incidental when he reached out to grab him. It doesn't matter anyway...when a guy's helmet turns around, and a player has his hand in the facemask, it's going to be a personal foul call.

[sabotai]

The facemask was a judgement call on the officials IMO, but generally it doesn't matter if it's incidental or not, once the head turns to the side, it's a 15-yarder more times than not.

[dime]

You can't say it's incidental when he reached out to grab him. It doesn't matter anyway...when a guy's helmet turns around, and a player has his hand in the facemask, it's going to be a personal foul call.

based on that definition, every facemask would be 15 yards...they ALL occur with someone reaching out to grab the guy. his hand was on the mask for a half second and taylor didn't even seem to break stride.

when I saw the replay I was expecting one of those yank and pull jobs. the guy was just flying through the air and his hand caught the mask. not like the helmet twisted on taylor's head or anything. it was the definition of incidental.

[Chief Rum]

Officials ruin another potential Bengals victory. 4-4 instead of maybe being 6-2 (should have been AT LEAST 5-3 with the other blown call earlier this year). Fucking ridiculous. Why the hell do I even watch the NFL?

Actually, shouldn't they be 8-0 now? Where is Render when you need him?

Seriosuly, though, I have Palmer as my fantasy starter at QB most weeks, but I sat him this week for Brees (great move). So I am usually rooting for the Bengals (and CJ is on my squad, too).

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well done, Lions!

Good win here. In the grand scheme of things the Lions are still 2-6, but this was a big win for the team. They were comming off the bye week and it's important to finally see some progress and start generating some confidence.

The Lions' next three games are SF at home, Arizona on the road, and Miami at thome. Those are all "winable" games, even for the Lions. Hopefully they'll take at least 2 of them.

[Logan]

based on that definition, every facemask would be 15 yards...they ALL occur with someone reaching out to grab the guy. his hand was on the mask for a half second and taylor didn't even seem to break stride.

when I saw the replay I was expecting one of those yank and pull jobs. the guy was just flying through the air and his hand caught the mask. not like the helmet twisted on taylor's head or anything. it was the definition of incidental.

Well based on your definition, a personal foul facemask will only occur if the defender thinks beforehand "the only way I'm going to be able to bring him down is if I grab and pull on his facemask." I can remember about 2 instances of that...a few weeks ago when Antrel Rolle almost decapitated Larry Johnson, and about 8 years ago when Warren Sapp almost ended Jerry Rice's career with the most disgusting facemask job of all time.

The vast majority of the 15 yarders are from a player trying to make the tackle, and instead of grabbing onto the shoulders or the chest, they miss and grab the facemask. You're getting caught up in the "incidental" wording of the 5 yard call. That's used when a tackle is made, and in doing so, one of the defender's hands drapes across the facemask of the runner. There's no pulling or grabbing on involved.

[DaddyTorgo]

ouch. Steelers in the hole 14-0 almost as quick as the Bengals were. 4 minutes in and they're down.

[miami_fan]

That was quick. 14-0 Broncos after 4 plus minutes of play.

[DaddyTorgo]

at this rate Bill Cowher will be unemployed by halftime

[Buccaneer]

Saints win and Falcons lose. That's what should've happened last week but this week is fine.

[Julio Riddols]

The refs didn't lose the game for Cinci, but this season, the calls just aren't there late in games, or theyre just bad calls in favor of the other team. Cincinnati shouldn't put themselves in these situations, but this is the NFL, they play the whole game, and they fight hard to have a chance to win at the end when a ref defends a pass in the red zone that would have been an easy 10 yards or so, so Cinci had to kick a field goal- No big deal, it happens. But the late no call on a pretty obvious pass interference is about the 3rd or 4th time a major call has really hurt at the end of a game this year.

I'm not saying it is why Cinci lost, though it didn't help, but damn.. The calls just aren't going the right way for them late in the last 4 games.

If only officials weren't human.

[Jas_lov]

I haven't been able to watch the game, but following it on the web this has been perhaps the most aggravating Packers game of the entire season. They completely dominated Buffalo in almost every aspect of the game. They outgained the Bills 427-184, got 26 1st downs to Buffalo's 10, were penalized half as many times as Buffalo, controlled the clock (34-26), and were better on 3rd downs (7/16 vs. 2/11). Buffalo won by 2 TDs because of stupid, amateurish turnovers. From the Packers gameday blogs I've read Buffalo didn't even make good plays to get those turnovers - the Packers just seem to have been careless.

And MM calling a pass play on 1st & 1 from the 1? Stupid. Astonishingly stupid.

I didn't get to see it either, but on the post game show McCarthy said they were trying to catch the Bills in between personnel changes on the 1st and 1 from the 1. But I agree with you guys, Ahman had been running great and from there it was almost a sure TD. Just another heartbreaking loss along with that Rams loss have ruined what would otherwise be a good season for this young team. And now they have 3 tough games in the next 3 weeks and they'll have to play perfect to win any of them.

[dime]

Well based on your definition, a personal foul facemask will only occur if the defender thinks beforehand "the only way I'm going to be able to bring him down is if I grab and pull on his facemask." I can remember about 2 instances of that...a few weeks ago when Antrel Rolle almost decapitated Larry Johnson, and about 8 years ago when Warren Sapp almost ended Jerry Rice's career with the most disgusting facemask job of all time.

The vast majority of the 15 yarders are from a player trying to make the tackle, and instead of grabbing onto the shoulders or the chest, they miss and grab the facemask. You're getting caught up in the "incidental" wording of the 5 yard call. That's used when a tackle is made, and in doing so, one of the defender's hands drapes across the facemask of the runner. There's no pulling or grabbing on involved.

We'll agree to disagree. I've seen many, many instances where a player grabs the facemask (intentionally or not) but then holds on or pulls (this part is clearly intentional) in order to attempt the tackle. That's a 15 yard penalty. when a guy grabs the mask by accident and lets go immediately, it's "incidental" and considered a 5 yard penalty.

whether or not the guy is actually tackled has nothing to do with the penalty. the penalty is a judgement call based on the defender's intent.

[dime]

I didn't get to see it either, but on the post game show McCarthy said they were trying to catch the Bills in between personnel changes on the 1st and 1 from the 1. But I agree with you guys, Ahman had been running great and from there it was almost a sure TD. Just another heartbreaking loss along with that Rams loss have ruined what would otherwise be a good season for this young team. And now they have 3 tough games in the next 3 weeks and they'll have to play perfect to win any of them.

in mccarthy's defense, the earlier TD they made was on a one-yard pass into traffic.

[Greyroofoo]

Lol, Pittsburg gets a 30ish yard completion on 4th down then fumbles.

[Cringer]

in mccarthy's defense, the earlier TD they made was on a one-yard pass into traffic.

So in FOF terms, the defense looked familiar with that play? Mike McCarthy can't do anything right in my book, so ignore me. First Packer coach I have truely disliked. Once in a while I will give him some credit for something that has gone well, but I usually just chock that up to being an accident on his part, and not actually a good decision by him. :D

[Fonzie]

in mccarthy's defense, the earlier TD they made was on a one-yard pass into traffic.

Yeah, and for what it's worth I'm fairly sure that if MM had called a run play there Ahman Green would've fumbled (that's just the way things were going for them today). Then I'd be bitching and moaning about MM deciding to run when he could've tried to catch them in a personnel change with a quick slant pass. :p

[Eaglesfan27]

Vick once again proves to be fool's gold for my FF team. I sat him the last two weeks (last week, I thought no way does he have 2 good performances in a row.) Well, I played him today and sat Brees who had one of his best FF performances of the year. :(

[lordscarlet]

We'll agree to disagree. I've seen many, many instances where a player grabs the facemask (intentionally or not) but then holds on or pulls (this part is clearly intentional) in order to attempt the tackle. That's a 15 yard penalty. when a guy grabs the mask by accident and lets go immediately, it's "incidental" and considered a 5 yard penalty.

whether or not the guy is actually tackled has nothing to do with the penalty. the penalty is a judgement call based on the defender's intent.

I'm sure you don't care about the numerous missed calls that would have favored the Redskins that even Troy Aikmen was pointing out?

[BrianD]

whether or not the guy is actually tackled has nothing to do with the penalty. the penalty is a judgement call based on the defender's intent.

The NFL does everything they can to remove the need to judge intent from the referees. The different facemask penalties are called based on severity. Twisting, turning, or pulling an opponent by the facemask will get 15 yards. If you see the head turn, it is almost always 15 yards.

[JS19]

It might be just me, but I found it hilarious when it shows what the Giants have done on there last 3 red zone possessions:

DOWNS
TD
PUNT


They were on the 9 (i think, miht have been closer) yd line and were pushed so far back they had to punt, although I was pissed they didnt score, still found it amusing.

[dime]

when did phil simms become john madden 2007?

he is just stumbling to put two thoughts together and clumsily narrating replays all over the place. for some reason I remember simms being one of the smart guys. what happened?

[DaddyTorgo]

when did phil simms become john madden 2007?

he is just stumbling to put two thoughts together and clumsily narrating replays all over the place. for some reason I remember simms being one of the smart guys. what happened?

doctors got confused and took out his brain instead of his son's spleen.

[dime]

doctors got confused and took out his brain instead of his son's spleen.

probably about the same size.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The Broncos could have put the Steelers away a long time ago if they knew how to tackle. For at least the past 4 years, I've watched the Broncos miss tackles at first contact and allow big gains. I'm sick and tired of this. I have a sick feeling that the Broncos will blow this game, even though they're up 11 points with two minutes to go.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Dola

I think Ward has a touchdown on this play. The review will probably overturn the call.

Edit: I take that back. Ward did NOT get the ball into the end zone. :D :D :D

[Buccaneer]

Thank god for LT.

[JeffNights]

Damn you Lions, where was this in the first half of the season? Without thier best player, the defense contains vick and the offense actually live up to its "Martz hype"

Sigh.

[Ragone]

Dola

I think Ward has a touchdown on this play. The review will probably overturn the call.

Edit: I take that back. Ward did NOT get the ball into the end zone. :D :D :D

That single play. not only did he not score that touchdown.. the -2 points for the fumble won me a ffl game 81-80

Thanks hines!

[Bad-example]

This is our country.

Ok, we get it. Please stop inflicting this song upon your viewers.

Thanks in advance.

[Neuqua]

This is our country.

Ok, we get it. Please stop inflicting this song upon your viewers.

Thanks in advance.

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[pbot]

The refs didn't lose the game for Cinci, but this season, the calls just aren't there late in games, or theyre just bad calls in favor of the other team. Cincinnati shouldn't put themselves in these situations, but this is the NFL, they play the whole game, and they fight hard to have a chance to win at the end when a ref defends a pass in the red zone that would have been an easy 10 yards or so, so Cinci had to kick a field goal- No big deal, it happens. But the late no call on a pretty obvious pass interference is about the 3rd or 4th time a major call has really hurt at the end of a game this year.

I'm not saying it is why Cinci lost, though it didn't help, but damn.. The calls just aren't going the right way for them late in the last 4 games.

If only officials weren't human.

Not that the refs overlooked the Cincy o-lineman basically tackling Bart Scott just before he got to Palmer on that play or anything...

[kingnebwsu]

This non-call for Cincy isn't nearly as bad as the "roughing the passer" call they had several games ago. That one was on 4th down and Cincy stopped them. No penalty and that game is over. In today's game, Cincy still had a long way to go, and even if there's a penalty it's no guarantee that Cincy scores a TD, but they should have at least had the chance.

I gtg now, me and Chris Henry are off to score some blow. Then I'm gonna bitch some more about today's game!!! :D:D:D:D

[JonInMiddleGA]

This is our country.

Ok, we get it. Please stop inflicting this song upon your viewers.

Thanks in advance.

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(I already had roughly this same thought sometime in the afternoon,glad to see it ain't just me)

[Craptacular]

In today's games, the winning teams won the turnover battle 40-9. The only team that won the turnover battle and lost was Dallas, who had zero and forced one.

[Greyroofoo]

Gotta love the Colts being the only undefeated team, again!!

[Butter]

Not that the refs overlooked the Cincy o-lineman basically tackling Bart Scott just before he got to Palmer on that play or anything...

You have noticed this is the NFL right? The way holding is called in the NFL is akin to the way traveling is called in the NBA... you have to nearly grab a guy around the waist and take him down to get called, and even then you might be able to get away with that late in an important game.

The Bengals need to quit crying and pull together, or they might as well close up shop and file for 8-8 or 7-9 right now. Although I have to say, the schedule they were handed this year is beyond ridiculous. That's one reason that the NFL seems to have "parity"... all the up and coming good teams get killed by their schedule if they have a good year or two, while teams that have one or two down years can get healthy the following season by feasting on all the last place teams that appear on their schedule.

[Butter]

Rudi Johnson running over Ray Lewis for a TD was pretty sweet though. I thought the emotion that play generated might bring the Bengals back... but instead, Palmer seems to continue to fight the knee goblins a bit too hard.

[Honolulu_Blue]

This is our country.

Ok, we get it. Please stop inflicting this song upon your viewers.

Thanks in advance.

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(I already had roughly this same thought sometime in the afternoon,glad to see it ain't just me)

This was a post of mine from the Colts/Pats thread. This was still early in the first quarter...

Holy fucking shit. If I hear this damned John Cougar Mellancamp song one more time...

Chevy is banned. I am not buying any Chevrolet automobiles for five years. Starting... Now.

It's shitty enough that they try to use 9/11 and the Hurricane Katrina aftermath to try and sell a pick-up truck, but to have the damned thing on during every. single. commercial. break.

No me gusta.

[Butter]

Chevys suck anyway, I didn't really need another excuse to skip their crap.

[Ksyrup]

I counted 4 times that song/commercial came on during the first quarter last night. And that was while playing cards, so I may have missed a couple more.

Because of the attempt to make a car commercial some sort of "anthem" for our country, this song easily blows Like A Rock out of the water for most overplayed, annoying truck commercial song of all time. Followed closely by any Ford commercial featuring that country singer.

[Subby]

Hi Jeeber! http://www.thefobl.com/forums/images/smilies/wave.gif

[Bad-example]

This was a post of mine from the Colts/Pats thread. This was still early in the first quarter...

Funny that our posts were 1 minute apart. I guess we both reached maximum saturation at the same time. I had actually been using the mute button already, since they hit us hard with that damned commercial during the 49er game as well.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Funny that our posts were 1 minute apart. I guess we both reached maximum saturation at the same time. I had actually been using the mute button already, since they hit us hard with that damned commercial during the 49er game as well.

I tend to hit the mute button for most commercials, but I was working while "watching" that Pats/Colts game so the commercials kept sneaking up on me. I did start muting commericals (right after my post) the moment I heard the first twang of that guitar.

That's all I could stands, I couldn't stands no more!

[Butter]

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