Smokers

[Joe]

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

[JonInMiddleGA]

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

Most likely with greater ease than you live in that perpetual state of being an ass.

And clearly not nearly as stressed about it either.

[Joe]

probably

[Draft Dodger]

Most likely with greater ease than you live in that perpetual state of being an ass.


and heck, some people pull off both

[AlexB]

As an ex-smoker: yes smokers smell - generally not of ass but of cigarettes (unless of course you habitually blow somke up someone's ass, which I guess is maybe where Joe is getting confused?).

And there is nothing more santimonious than some holier-than-thou twat railing against smokers.

[Deattribution]

No, I have to agree, smokers do smell like ass.

[MizzouRah]

This isn't a thread about smoking a good pork loin?

[st.cronin]

This thread is begging to be parodied.

[sachmo71]

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?

they don't really realize it. you sort of get used to it.

[Raiders Army]

Overall smokers are better than dippers. They don't leave their spit bottles lying around waiting to get upset and get that dip/spit juice all over your desk or work area.

Most people that I know that are dippers are dippers because they can't smoke inside.

[Crim]

You fucking smell. How can you live in that perpetual state of smelling like ass?


Preach it!

[stevew]

I noticed that finally my sense of smell is back after 2.5 years of quitting. The difference is amazing. Yes, you guys stink, but I think you already know that, so no sense in harping on the point.

[Rizon]

Bill Hicks put it best:
"I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth."

[cthomer5000]

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second. Many people take their last drag outside and office building and race right into the elevator or something, stinking up the whole fucking place.

[st.cronin]

How do you get your girlfriend to stop smoking?


























use more lube

[stevew]

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second. Many people take their last drag outside and office building and race right into the elevator or something, stinking up the whole fucking place.

Yeah, i hate it when people smoke weed/tobacco in their car, ash it out, and then walk right in to where I work and stink up the joint.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second.

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.

[Galaxy]

Thankfully, at least in NY, you cannot smoke inside restaurants or bars anymore.

[cuervo72]

And there is nothing more santimonious than some holier-than-thou twat railing against smokers.

Santamonious? Santanamonious? Santorumonious?

[Schmidty]

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.

No offense, but it's sounds more like lack of class or common courtesy.

Just saying.

[cuervo72]

Well, we could not give a damn if they die of lung cancer.

*shurg*

(Tidbit: my grandmother died of lung cancer a few years ago. She was not a smoker, but I believe my grandfather had been one [he died in 1980]. She was just a *tad* bitter about that.)

[JonInMiddleGA]

No offense, but it's sounds more like lack of class or common courtesy.

I don't believe "common courtesy" extends to discomfitting myself in some way.

Doesn't it generally apply more to cases where there's no cost to the person exercising it; i.e. it costs nothing to provide some benefit/concession to the recipient?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Well, we could not give a damn if they die of lung cancer.

Shurg indeed. At no time have I asked you to care one iota.

[cuervo72]

Understood. I don't figure smokers are looking for pity. Smokers know the risks. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, right?

[Radii]

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.


Yeah, that's a bit too far for me. There are a couple people, maybe its the cigarettes they smoke, maybe its the "air out" thing, I have no idea, but when they come back inside after a smoke I have to leave the room for a good 10 minutes or so. I don't care that they smoke, hell, I've dated smokers before, but if you have control over that level of odor and choose to do nothing about it you're an ass(generic you, not *you* you jimga).

This isn't about smoking, if you microwave popcorn in the office and you burn it and you take it out of the break room and to your desk and the odor effects everyone within a 10 cubicle square, you're also an ass.

[stevew]

People who cook that stankin' smelling japanese Ramen shit in a public break room are also asses.

[cuervo72]

Oh, forgot tidbit #2: my other grandmother has smoked probably since the war, and is rolling along just fine at 80.

[JonInMiddleGA]

... but when they come back inside after a smoke I have to leave the room for a good 10 minutes or so.

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

There's no shortage of things I find at least equally unpleasant that other people do, yet I really don't see a whole lot of energy, nay, any expended on their part to avoid that discomfort for me (else there'd be a lot lot fewer Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers still visible in Athens area.) So why on earth would or should I be expected to make more effort than they're making?

[Easy Mac]

the only argument I have is that some people are allergic to smoke and the particles contained in it, therefore it could be seen as a human health issue (although the current thread argument seems to be centered on odor) whereas bumper stickers are more of a personal preference having no tangible impact on one's physical wellbeing (although having a kerry-edwards sticker can be a sign of mental deficiency, therefore endangering everyone else on the road).

[wade moore]

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

There's no shortage of things I find at least equally unpleasant that other people do, yet I really don't see a whole lot of energy, nay, any expended on their part to avoid that discomfort for me (else there'd be a lot lot fewer Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers still visible in Athens area.) So why on earth would or should I be expected to make more effort than they're making?

I'm trying to stay out of this disagreement, but I'm curious...

How would you feel about someone in an office environment that had unbearable Body Odor?

[Easy Mac]

Brut
... wait you want an improvement, right.

[JonInMiddleGA]

having no tangible impact on one's physical wellbeing

You obviously haven't been checking my blood pressure.

[Chubby]

I'd say it's more like "lack of interest".
We simply don't really give a damn what you think.


Evidentally you do since you seem to be posting in this thread quite often.

[JonInMiddleGA]

How would you feel about someone in an office
environment that had unbearable Body Odor?

I worked in radio for more than a decade. Surely you don't think I haven't been through that particular situation more than once.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Evidentally you do since you seem to be posting in this thread quite often.

Don't overestimate that. I'm so bored I'm also watching Dallas & Seattle, but that <=> actually caring about it.

[wade moore]

I worked in radio for more than a decade. Surely you don't think I haven't been through that particular situation more than once.

And....? Did you not think it was incredibly rude?

[JonInMiddleGA]

And....? Did you not think it was incredibly rude?

After a while, you just take it for granted. It's part & parcel of that person.
There's also a rather obvious difference.

Barring something like an allergic condition that prevents the wearing of deodorant (or unless you want to count the $2.39 pricetag), there's not a real negative or cost incurred by the olfactory offender.

In the case of the smokers, or at least in the situations that seem to be most of the discussion here, there's either the cost of significant time loss to "decontaminate" before entering whatever space and/or the discomfort of not having that particular smoke.

[wade moore]

After a while, you just take it for granted. It's part & parcel of that person.
There's also a rather obvious difference.

Barring something like an allergic condition that prevents the wearing of deodorant (or unless you want to count the $2.39 pricetag), there's not a real negative or cost incurred by the olfactory offender.

In the case of the smokers, or at least in the situations that seem to be most of the discussion here, there's either the cost of significant time loss to "decontaminate" before entering whatever space and/or the discomfort of not having that particular smoke.

There's significant time lost to shower. To lose weight so you're not a fat slob (i'm guessing with the case of DJ's this is often the issue). Time lost to do laundry. Etc...

I personally feel like these are VERY close parrellel's.

I'm not saying I shoudl be able to stop someone from smoking because of this, i'm just saying these are very parrellel situations and should be viewed as essentially the same.

If you want another example, you could maybe use someone using strong/awful cologne/perfume.

[Radii]

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

I didn't say it was their problem. I said if they have that little concern for how their habits(good or bad, I'm tryign to make it *real* damn clear i'm not judging smokers here, because for many people that seems to be what sets off the hate) effect the people around them, then I will consider them to be assholes and will treat them as such.

I'm around smokers a lot, I'm talking about two specific people I know out of 15-20 smokers that return to the office/poker game with such an odor that myself and a couple other people will not be around them when they come back in. The guy at the poker game we've mentioned the odor when he comes back and he makes it very clear that he doesn't give a shit that it causes problems for everyone else around him. If he wasn't the worst poker player in the game I am sure he would not be invited back.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm talking about two specific people I know out of 15-20 smokers that return to the office/poker game with such an odor

Just off hand, I'm wondering if they smoke some of the generic/bargain/off brands that are out there. There are some of those that do seem to have a different smell, one that seems ... I dunno, "stale" is the closest word I can come up with.

[Mustang]

the only argument I have is that some people are allergic to smoke and the particles contained in it, therefore it could be seen as a human health issue

There are alot of things that people are allergic to. I become nauseous and get a headache when stuck around someone that wears a high level of cologne or perfume yet no one cares about them.. yet, smell like a chimney and people want to take a chainsaw to you just because it is ingrained in our culture now to despise smokers.

[headtrauma]

Is it legal to not hire someone becuase they smoke? I assume it is legal. Just wondering.

[RedKingGold]

Smoker = good oral sex?

[Mustang]

Smoker = good oral sex?

Not while they are smoking...

[RedKingGold]

Oh, btw; Nick Saban has confirmed that he will definitely not start smoking any time soon.

Light up, baby!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Smoker = good oral sex?

Not a reliable predictor.

[RedKingGold]

Not a reliable predictor.'

Good, I can make the g/f quit smoking now with a good conscience.

[Joe]

Is it legal to not hire someone becuase they smoke? I assume it is legal. Just wondering.

They are not a protected class.

[st.cronin]

It's a poor predictor for skill, but something of a predictor for enthusiasm or willingness.

[RedKingGold]

They are not a protected class.

Why is there a mass crowd of people outside my apartment chanting, "GENOCIDE!, GENOCIDE!"

[cuervo72]

They are not a protected class.

Heh. I actually considered a scenario where someone might claim being a smoker was a medical condition/disability (nicotine addiction) after JiMG's line "the discomfort of not having that particular smoke." Would be an interesting angle...

[cthomer5000]

I just don't see how that becomes their problem.
That's your problem.

There's no shortage of things I find at least equally unpleasant that other people do, yet I really don't see a whole lot of energy, nay, any expended on their part to avoid that discomfort for me (else there'd be a lot lot fewer Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers still visible in Athens area.) So why on earth would or should I be expected to make more effort than they're making?

What if i decided to simply stop wiping my ass? I take a shit, come back into the office and stink up the place with my shit-stained underwear. Is this everyone elses problem?

[stevew]

I love the lack of courtesty to even "air out" for even a second. Many people take their last drag outside and office building and race right into the elevator or something, stinking up the whole fucking place.

I would assume that they also "Indiana Jones Move" the elevator smelling like stank.

[DougWyatt]

This conversation puzzles me. How can anyone be bothered by something that makes a person "cool" when the do it ?

[lungs]

If I can't smoke or swear, I'm fucked.

[Tekneek]

Heh. I actually considered a scenario where someone might claim being a smoker was a medical condition/disability (nicotine addiction) after JiMG's line "the discomfort of not having that particular smoke." Would be an interesting angle...

My aunt has recently told the family that her doctor told her she needs to smoke and should not quit. This is while her father, my grandfather, is laying in a hospice (on his deathbed effectively) on oxygen with conditions directly related to the 50 year smoking habit he had. I seriously doubt any legitimate doctor would ever suggest such a thing, at least not a MEDICAL doctor. Having said that, I don't think you qualify for a "medical condition/disability" without a medical doctor signing off on it, right?

EDIT... I don't like smoking in any aspect. However, I think people should have the right to do it as long as they respect the rights of others. Beyond that, they should also waive the right to "public assistance" (medicare/medicaid/free healthcare/etc) for any conditions related to this choice. Just like seat belts and motorcyle helmets. I don't think those should be mandatory under law for adults, but choosing not to wear them should be a waiver of any right to medicare/medicaid/etc for any injuries resulting from that choice.

[cthomer5000]

I would assume that they also "Indiana Jones Move" the elevator smelling like stank.

Naturally! Those Indiana Jones-ing motherf***ers. :mad:

[MizzouRah]

We have a "rule" with smoking around our house (she smokes, I don't) - all smoking is done outside or she can smoke in the kitchen and blow it out the window. Lately she's been smoking in our bathroom and it really pisses me off to smell that shit while I'm trying to sleep.

Time to tighen up the reigns... although that might lead to less sex. :)

[Drake]

A couple of quick and easy solutions to the pervading smoke smell:

1. Shower every morning before going to the office. (Smoke odors stick in your hair.)
2. Wear clean clothes every day. (Smoke odors stick to your clothes.)
3. Don't smoke in your car with the windows rolled up -- especially if you're just taking a smoke break.
4. Don't smoke in the rain.
5. After your cigarette, hang out outside for a couple extra minutes shooting the shit to air out. If you can get your boss hooked on cigarettes, you can even call this "meeting time" or something. That's what my boss and I do. It's hard for others to complain when my boss is the one initiating the 30-45 minute smoke breaks two or three times a day.
6. A little Febreeze works wonders. Seriously, just dump a little in one of those personal fragrance bottles you can carry in your pocket and just give yourself a quick spritz before heading back inside. It has no odor, unlike cologne.
7. If you're going to be working closely with people or smooching administrators, think about popping a breath mint or a hard candy. This one's really pretty optional. I use the breath mints/candy to hide the smell of liquor on my breath more than cigarettes. ;)
8. Swing by the bathroom and wash your hands. A bunch of the odor from smoking that you carry back into the office comes from your hands. Since I usually decide to hit the head when I smoke at work, this one really doesn't cost me any effort.

[MrBug708]

Nothing is worse then kissing a girl who smokes. I can;t imagine ever marrying someone who smokes at that

[sabotai]

1. Shower every morning before going to the office. (Smoke odors stick in your hair.)
2. Wear clean clothes every day. (Smoke odors stick to your clothes.)

If someone does not do both of these, I would suggest smoking is not their biggest problem.

[ISiddiqui]

Well I know some people who shower at night... though if I tried that my hair would be sticking up at various angles.

[Logan]

What if i decided to simply stop wiping my ass? I take a shit, come back into the office and stink up the place with my shit-stained underwear. Is this everyone elses problem?

That would be an interesting sociological experiment.

[kcchief19]

Time to tighen up the reigns... although that might lead to less sex. :)
Of course, isn't that like having sex with an ashtray?

[kcchief19]

What if i decided to simply stop wiping my ass? I take a shit, come back into the office and stink up the place with my shit-stained underwear. Is this everyone elses problem?
Assuming you don't have a fetish of some sort that makes you like the smell of you own waste, that could be problematic.

The thing about smoking is that it's an activity that some people find very enjoyable, but is considered by some to be at the least annoying or and at worst socially unacceptable. The only comparable activity I've been able to come up with is "self-gratification."

If I'm at a bar and decided after having a couple of beers and hitting on waitresses that I want to fondle myself, what's stopping me? Let's assume I'm not violating any indecency laws be pulling my pants down. Just because you and your uptight views on sex don't approve or you don't want your kids to see that kind of behavior, why should that matter to me?

[MizzouRah]

Of course, isn't that like having sex with an ashtray?

Actually, I've dated smokers who taste just like an ashtray and I've dated women who although they smoke, don't have that smoke breath. My wife is one of those.

She never cared about my disgusting chewing habit when I met her, so I showed her the same courtesy. A good brusing before bed also helps. :D

[st.cronin]

Well I know some people who shower at night... though if I tried that my hair would be sticking up at various angles.

I usually shower at night, and my hair is usually pretty bad. *shrug*

[Drake]

They are not a protected class.


We're more protected than you are. We all know karate. There are instructions for new moves in every pack.

[ctmason]

My aunt has recently told the family that her doctor told her she needs to smoke and should not quit. This is while her father, my grandfather, is laying in a hospice (on his deathbed effectively) on oxygen with conditions directly related to the 50 year smoking habit he had. I seriously doubt any legitimate doctor would ever suggest such a thing, at least not a MEDICAL doctor.


Well they may not say it that way but my own mother was legitimately told by a physician not to attempt quitting smoking AT THIS TIME. This stems from some arrhythmia she has been medicated for the past two-three years. Her doctor told her that putting her on the patch or shot was not a good option given her other medical problems, but encouraged her to smoke less often and gradually ween herself off.

Problem is, my mom, a 35 year + smoker, is so hopelessly addicted that she thinks she absolutely needs some medicated assistance like the patch.

Interesting note, my mom actually started smoking all those years ago because a physician told her it would help calm her nerves.

[Kodos]

EDIT... I don't like smoking in any aspect. However, I think people should have the right to do it as long as they respect the rights of others. Beyond that, they should also waive the right to "public assistance" (medicare/medicaid/free healthcare/etc) for any conditions related to this choice. Just like seat belts and motorcyle helmets. I don't think those should be mandatory under law for adults, but choosing not to wear them should be a waiver of any right to medicare/medicaid/etc for any injuries resulting from that choice.

I like the way you think. I say tax cigarettes more, and then use the tax to help pay for medical costs for smokers later. Leave the rest of us out of the costs of smoking.

[sabotai]

Well I know some people who shower at night

So do I. I just took it to mean shower every day.

[Drake]

Shower every day is, in fact, what I meant, but if you shower at night, realize that if you smoke after your shower, you're negatively impacting your freshness rating for the following day. The cigarette odor accumulates over time.

With regards to clean clothes -- I should have stressed the "clean" bit, since most guys I know have more than once worn a shirt because it passed the sniff test, and not because it had been washed since the last time it was worn. Smokers should never rely on the sniff test, because we're not going to smell the cigarette odor.

[Drake]

dola...

I'm not really anal about this. I know that I smell like cigarette smoke. I just try to keep my smoke odor contained in roughly the same personal circumference that I'd contain my cologne odor (within 12 inches of the body is what most fragrance experts recommend, I believe).

And if you're close enough to me to determine that my dick tastes like an ashtray, we've got much bigger problems than my status as a smoker.