Survivor: Oz Tribal Thread

[st.cronin]

*shrug*

Any bid requires significant guesswork anyway. Why change it? I don't really get what GE is worried about.

[ImTheCrew]

i also think RA is a wolf, but im not sure if its enough to change my vote from smchditty( he has about 9 post in both threads together)

[st.cronin]

i also think RA is a wolf, but im not sure if its enough to change my vote from smchditty( he has about 9 post in both threads together)

If Schmidty needs to drop out, he can be replaced. Trust me when I say this has been pretty much the prototypical Schmidty game so far. He'll come in handy.

[ImTheCrew]

any one else willing to share their voting thoughts?

[st.cronin]

Ardent was talking about GE, and GE honestly has been a little fishy today. I wouldn't be stunned to learn that he was coordinating with other wolves what sort of bid we should submit. He's been critical, without contributing - that's a fairly wolfish technique.

I don't know, though, GE is not somebody I can read very easily.

[Poli]

+1

[ImTheCrew]

ae care to share how your'e voting?

[Poli]

GE or yourself, leaning more on GE.

[st.cronin]

Ardent will you be around at deadline?

[GoldenEagle]

I really do not have time at work to sit down and think about the bidding. But, I was hoping we would talk about a bit more before anyone submitted a bid to Barkeep.

I just know that is critical that we win this challenge.

[st.cronin]

Ok, I have to go class now. Ardent, the pm I posted in thread is not the pm I sent BK. I am counting on you to pull last minute shenanigans to keep the wolves off guard. You are the only one I trust.

[ImTheCrew]

i thought you already sent it? will he accept it now?

[Poli]

Ardent will you be around at deadline?

Yup, but the fun stuff is about to begin here and I won't be around for a few hours.

[Poli]

Ok, I have to go class now. Ardent, the pm I posted in thread is not the pm I sent BK. I am counting on you to pull last minute shenanigans to keep the wolves off guard. You are the only one I trust.

Gotcha.

[Poli]

Cronin, so you want me to throw the scent off?

[ImTheCrew]

cronin, ae are you guys wolves you are acting very very strange

[Poli]

I'm no wolf. That's for certain.

[ImTheCrew]

im not either but i want to feel like a team for now atleast and i dont want you and cronin dividing it up

[GoldenEagle]

im not either but i want to feel like a team for now atleast and i dont want you and cronin dividing it up

Wanting us to act like a team...interesting

[ImTheCrew]

is that weird?

[ImTheCrew]

i think the challenges are better if we work has a team, and not act like some people are better/over others

[GoldenEagle]

i think the challenges are better if we work has a team, and not act like some people are better/over others

Well, the problem is that there is at least one wolf among us (at least, that is what is being assumed). In the end, it is really villagers vs. wolves and not team vs. team.

[ImTheCrew]

thats right, i agree but you made a statement similiar to that a few post ago

[ImTheCrew]

and the only person i think is a wolf would be RA, hes the one who volunteered

[ImTheCrew]

whats a seer?

[Barkeep49]

You may change your bid if you desire.

[Schmidty]

I'm finally here. I have a ton to catch up on. What are the deadlines, challenges, etc. right now?

I'll still look for myself, but if someone could quickly bring me up to date, that would be awesome.

[Schmidty]

At this point, I feel like I'll be voting for Schmidty. He had an opportunity to respond last night, late last night, and didn't.

What the heck did you want me to say, brother?

[Barkeep49]

I'm finally here. I have a ton to catch up on. What are the deadlines, challenges, etc. right now?

I'll still look for myself, but if someone could quickly bring me up to date, that would be awesome.
Bidding challenge due by 10 PM. Need to vote at tribual council also by 10.

[Schmidty]

Bidding challenge due by 10 PM. Need to vote at tribual council also by 10.

Cool. It sounds like Oz already PMed our team's bids though, correct?

[Barkeep49]

Cool. It sounds like Oz already PMed our team's bids though, correct?
Correct, but it may be changed up until deadline.

[Raiders Army]

I think you'll probably talk about re-upping. :)

Anyhow, last thought before I leave:

There are 277 points available. With four tribes, that averages out to 69.25 points per tribe. We need to get above that. For those 69.25 points, we need to earn at least 2.3879 points per dollar. I'm out until about 7 EST.

Voting is done by PM, ITC - pm Barkeep, make sure to put Oz Tribal Council in the subject.

I just sent the following pm to BK:

Oz places the following bids:

$13 on Greater Werewolvia (A) 33
$12 on South Canis (L) 29
$2 on Fleabit Cove (D) 10
$2 on Dogbonia (E) 11

I think this is a very risky strategy. As I pointed out earlier, we need at least 70 points to win. If we lose any one of the bids, then we lose. Even winning all of the bets, we only score 80 points. How are those bids going to get us the win?

[Raiders Army]

Correction: we only score 83 points if we win all of our bids.

[Raiders Army]

and the only person i think is a wolf would be RA, hes the one who volunteered

That's what I would expect you to do. You're learning quickly my young Padawan! :)

[Raiders Army]

Let me drop the bomb on you guys: I am the wolf in the tribe.

I thought about how I might play it out, but I think this is the best way. Sooner or later I'm going to either get caught by the seer or the lynch. Mostly sooner.

Here is my rationale for coming out of the closet:

1. I'm out of the game in a few days anyhow if I don't.
2. I can help you within the game itself. During the night phase I can scan for another wolf. I scanned Lathum the other night. He came clean.
3. Once I find another wolf (like on another tribe) I can PM with them. I can then post that information in our thread, thus giving us a heads-up on other tribal information. For instance, on days like today I'll know their bids. You can be sure that no other wolf will even think of coming out of the closet.
4. I can kill once per night, but I can withhold from doing so (which of course I will for continued existence in the game).

I feel as if I can be a much more valuable asset than an ordinary player in the game. I became a wolf when I volunteered. What do you guys say?

[Raiders Army]

I'm out for a while. Let me know what you guys think or if you have any questions for me.

[Raiders Army]

I think this is a very risky strategy. As I pointed out earlier, we need at least 70 points to win. If we lose any one of the bids, then we lose. Even winning all of the bets, we only score 80 points. How are those bids going to get us the win?

For example, in the other thread a tribe bid:

$5 for Lesser Werewolvia
$5 for Fleabit Cove
$2 for Dogbonia
$2 for Dog Ear
$2 for Garouvia
$1 for North Canis
$1 for Lake Wolfsbane
$10 for South Canis
$1 for Alpovia

[st.cronin]

So you don't know who the other wolves are? Weird.

[Raiders Army]

If it were up to me, I'd go:

$14 on South Canis (29)
$6 on Upper Fang (21)
$3 on Lesser Werewolvia (20)
$3 on Dogbonia (10)
$3 on Alpovia (13)

I'd still go with these but adjust the numbers:

$13 on South Canis (29)
$5 on Upper Fang (21)
$4 on Lesser Werewolvia (20)
$4 on Alpovia (13)
$3 on Dogbonia (10)

[Raiders Army]

So you don't know who the other wolves are? Weird.

No. I can scan for them at night after the tribal council. I scanned Lathum because he was on after the volunteer message came out and seemed to be keen on volunteering. I suppose he did not.

So, what do you say about letting me work for you guys? My goal is to at least make tribal council so I can cast a vote for the ultimate winner.

[Raiders Army]

Gonna eat supper, but think about this: I can do something that none of you can't. Why kill me if I'm not going to kill any of you? Coming out right now shows that I'll be transparent and forthcoming with information. Also, I feel as if I've added to the challenges quite a bit.

[st.cronin]

I actually halfway think you're making this up. In other words, no idea.

[st.cronin]

Also, either way, this is definitely the oddest play I can remember seeing in WW.

[st.cronin]

Ok, I made my decision. Hopefully the other fellows play this the right way.

[Raiders Army]

I actually halfway think you're making this up. In other words, no idea.

Why would I make this up? So I can save myself from the lynch and get the real wolf lynched? That doesn't make any sense.

[Raiders Army]

I'm going to also vote for Schmidty in self defense. No other reason. (saw that ITC voted for him)

If you guys have any other questions, I'll be available for the next 10-15 minutes before Survivor comes on...LOL.

[st.cronin]

Why would I make this up? So I can save myself from the lynch and get the real wolf lynched? That doesn't make any sense.

It doesn't make any sense the other way, either. Why not say you're the seer?

[Poli]

What the heck did you want me to say, brother?
Whatever's on your mind, bro.

[Poli]

Cronin, should I buy you a hat?

[st.cronin]

Depends on what you do with your vote.

[GoldenEagle]

This is a trick to get the seer to come out and say he is the seer, I think.

[st.cronin]

This is a trick to get the seer to come out and say he is the seer, I think.

A trick by who? I mean, if he actually is a wolf, it's not really a trick, is it.

[st.cronin]

Ok, I'm out for the night. Good luck team. Ballsy play, no matter the outcome, RA. You get props from me.

[Raiders Army]

It doesn't make any sense the other way, either. Why not say you're the seer?

Because I'm not the seer, that's why.

[Raiders Army]

If I say I'm the seer, I have to produce a wolf eventually. Also the real seer can out me.

I'm a wolf.

[Raiders Army]

More importantly, are we leaving our bids as is? I don't think we should, but I don't want to make a unilateral decision.

[Raiders Army]

Ok, I'm out for the night. Good luck team. Ballsy play, no matter the outcome, RA. You get props from me.

Also, this isn't a ballsy play. It's the smart play. I benefit; you benefit.

[GoldenEagle]

I would prefer to know who everyone is voting for.

[Poli]

Eventually you'll turn on us, right? It's that or lose, right?

[Raiders Army]

I would prefer to know who everyone is voting for.
I believe ITC and I are voting for Schmidty. st. cronin is unknown.
Eventually you'll turn on us, right? It's that or lose, right?

I have no additional win outcome in this game.

[GoldenEagle]

Then why are you doing this? Do you just like us that much?

[Poli]

That doesn't necessarily answer my question.

[Raiders Army]

Also, I'll be on after Survivor and I watch recorded My Name is Earl and the Office. If I live through the tribal council I would like some ideas of whom to scan tonight. Just like Swaggs, I feel as if Blade is a wolf but I didn't scan him initially because he wasn't on right after the volunteer message by BK.

[Raiders Army]

Then why are you doing this? Do you just like us that much?

Let me drop the bomb on you guys: I am the wolf in the tribe.

I thought about how I might play it out, but I think this is the best way. Sooner or later I'm going to either get caught by the seer or the lynch. Mostly sooner.

Here is my rationale for coming out of the closet:

1. I'm out of the game in a few days anyhow if I don't.
2. I can help you within the game itself. During the night phase I can scan for another wolf. I scanned Lathum the other night. He came clean.
3. Once I find another wolf (like on another tribe) I can PM with them. I can then post that information in our thread, thus giving us a heads-up on other tribal information. For instance, on days like today I'll know their bids. You can be sure that no other wolf will even think of coming out of the closet.
4. I can kill once per night, but I can withhold from doing so (which of course I will for continued existence in the game).

I feel as if I can be a much more valuable asset than an ordinary player in the game. I became a wolf when I volunteered. What do you guys say?

This is why.

[Poli]

RA, you haven't sold me.

[GoldenEagle]

RaidersArmy, were you scanned the other night?

[Raiders Army]

That doesn't necessarily answer my question.

Hmmm...then I'm not sure what you're asking. BK did not tell me that if I eliminated all of the other survivors or got to a 1-1 wolf ratio that I would win. I assume that I must win "Survivor" to win. The difference is that I am a wolf and can kill at night and PM freely with other wolves once I scan them to see if they're wolves.

[Raiders Army]

RaidersArmy, were you scanned the other night?

Not that I know of. If I was scanned by the seer I don't know. I assume I wasn't scanned by another wolf because I have had no PM from them.

[Raiders Army]

RA, you haven't sold me.

Well, here's the other thing to your quitting last night. It would've saved me because I believe that I would've been on the hook tonight (and I believe I am...before I revealed myself). I tried to keep you in the game with no feelings for the tribal council at all.

I posted a message saying as such. Now, the reason why I posted that was so you wouldn't think that after I'm revealed as a wolf I was trying to play with your head.

[Raiders Army]

Okay...Survivor coming on. I'll talk to you guys later.

[Raiders Army]

Also, think about changing bids. cronin's bids won't win it for us.

[Poli]

RA, dang you.

[GoldenEagle]

I have no clue. I think if we can get rid of a wolf, we should do so.

[Raiders Army]

Back in for a sec. DVR messed up and we're watching Earl right now and recording Survivor.

I agree that if you can get rid of a wolf, do it...but not in this case. Wouldn't you want me to feed a wolf false information about you guys? Wouldn't you like the ability to find out what's going on in the other tribes? This only makes sense!

[ImTheCrew]

RA i have not voted yet, but now im very twisted in my decisons!!!!

[Poli]

It's a hard sell for me. I really believe GE or Schmidty would have been gone today, and he could have hid under the radar if he wanted.

I'm pondering, but I just don't see it working out for us in the end.

[ImTheCrew]

same here AE

[ImTheCrew]

i see the short-term benift, but not the long-term AT ALL

[GoldenEagle]

AE and ITC, who are you two voting for?

[Raiders Army]

It's a hard sell for me. I really believe GE or Schmidty would have been gone today, and he could have hid under the radar if he wanted.

I'm pondering, but I just don't see it working out for us in the end.

Well, I realize there's no way for you to know I'm telling the truth. All I can say is that I think it can benefit our team. No one else will think of revealing themselves as a wolf...the reason why I did was for the larger picture. I really can't see how me being a wolf would be a detriment to our team.

[ImTheCrew]

but i think that if RA is telling the truth we keep a secert about the volunteers being wolves

[ImTheCrew]

but who would lie about being a wolf??? that could be suicide with no benifts

[ImTheCrew]

AE and ITC, who are you two voting for?
not sure, its still the same two for me Schmditty or RA

[Poli]

Raiders, I just don't know how I could trust you from not cutting me down at one point later in the game just by being a wolf.

I'd love the other benefits of you staying alive, but in the end I'd rather lose the wolf than possibly losing a seer.

Raiders, right now my vote is you.

[ImTheCrew]

what about yo GE?

[GoldenEagle]

I plan on voting for RA.

[Raiders Army]

What's the use of a seer if I tell you that I'm a wolf???

[Raiders Army]

I can do everything a seer can do plus more! You guys are making a big mistake.

[Raiders Army]

Last post before the deadline: I think that unless we change our bid, we'll lose the challenge...

[Poli]

RA, thanks for the honesty. I understand why you did what you did, well sort of.

[GoldenEagle]

Maybe we could concentrate more on the bid if you did not drop a bomb on us.

[ImTheCrew]

ARGGHHHHH

[ImTheCrew]

whats our bid???

[Poli]

At this point, there's no telling what our bid is.

[GoldenEagle]

I know we are not going to win that.

[ImTheCrew]

send in one guys, 5 mins till

[Poli]

Sent.

[Barkeep49]

I have two submissions from this tribe: ardent's and cronin's. I need to know which I should go with. As it's a tribal submission and there has been no discussion of ardent's bid I am uncomfortable just substituting it.

[Barkeep49]

Let me go tally the votes.

[ImTheCrew]

go with ae's

[ImTheCrew]

the one sent right at 10

[Barkeep49]

If I can hear another confirmation in the next 5 or so minutes that I should with that one I will. Otherwise I will be going with the earlier one. No votes will be revealed until that point.

[Poli]

Mine? :)

[Poli]

Ok, I have to go class now. Ardent, the pm I posted in thread is not the pm I sent BK. I am counting on you to pull last minute shenanigans to keep the wolves off guard. You are the only one I trust.
Quoted for truth.

[Barkeep49]

I'm going to count 509 and 511 as cronin giving ardent his approval.

[Barkeep49]

First vote:
Raiders

[GoldenEagle]

I give my approval for AE's submission.

[Barkeep49]

Second vote:
Ardent
One vote Raiders, one vote Ardent

[Poli]

Thanks GE.

[Poli]

Woah. So who voted me?

[Barkeep49]

Third vote:
Schmidty
One vote each for Raiders, Ardent, and Schmidty

[Poli]

Regardless, fellas...no one. NO ONE talks about the vote or why we voted the way we did.

NO ONE. Word?

[Poli]

Maybe I should post more.

[Poli]

That didn't work.

[Barkeep49]

Fourth vote:
Raiders Army
Two for Raiders, one for Schmidty and ardent

[Poli]

Sorry, I just wouldn't want those outside right now to know we got rid of the wolf. For all they know, we got rid of the seer.

[Poli]

Maybe there's something to this posting thing.

[Poli]

Regardless, if RA goes, we should be able to bond more together as a team not worrying about the wolf. Well, we should anyways.

[Poli]

I'll admit, I was worried that if RA wasn't the wolf (and be honest, he wasn't playing like it) that you two showed up in the thread before I did, you two being GE and ITC, and one of you volunteered.

[Barkeep49]

Fifth vote:
Raiders

That's enough. I won't read the last vote. Raiders, bring me your post button. The tribe has spoken.

[Poli]

One more for Raiders would seal it.

[Poli]

Nice, post button. Funny. Sorry, RA. Big props.

[hoopsguy]

It is pretty clear that we are going to have to do a lot of editing before we run this on network TV. Is there something in the water that is creating this group obsession with werewolves? They are a 17th century, European urban legend! This man is no more a feral killer than I am, or than the naked tax cheat from our first season.

Seriously, is the whole idea of outwit, outlast, etc a little stale for everyone at this point, that they need to invent new boogeymen? And if we must do that, I have always been partial to little green men.

Can we please shoot this over again? Guys?

[Poli]

Sorry guys, but we wouldn't have won with cronin's bids either.

I had thought about modifying a bit and throwing a few dollars here and there.

[Poli]

It is pretty clear that we are going to have to do a lot of editing before we run this on network TV. Is there something in the water that is creating this group obsession with werewolves? They are a 17th century, European urban legend! This man is no more a feral killer than I am, or than the naked tax cheat from our first season.

Seriously, is the whole idea of outwit, outlast, etc a little stale for everyone at this point, that they need to invent new boogeymen? And if we must do that, I have always been partial to little green men.

Can we please shoot this over again? Guys?
Are you sure we're going to tribal council?

[ImTheCrew]

we could have got the 33 point for $1

[Poli]

Yeah, don't remind me. Groan. My bad. I liked RA's last suggestion, but wasn't sure he'd submit it. I thought about tweaking it in the end, but didn't want to go through the fuss with trying to figure out where to go with it and time was running down.

[Raiders Army]

2nd wasn't bad.

Oh well. I'm voted out. I was telling the truth so your loss. :)

Anyhow, I think that this strategy would've worked to our tribe's advantage. Of course, AE, you were right. I definitely would've backstabbed you guys in the end. I would've worked the wolves that I could find against you guys and get to the end...at least that was my strategy. It would've been a lot of work though, so thanks for saving me the effort. ;)

Good luck guys and take it to them in the end. There was one piece of being a wolf that withheld from you...and that piece of information is (I think) why I was lynched tonight.

[ImTheCrew]

thanks RA, fun to play with ya man

[ImTheCrew]

off to bed night guys

[Schmidty]

See yah, RA.

And thanks to whoever voted for me.

[Poli]

Yeah, no one is admitting who voted for me, either!

[Poli]

I'm guessing RA voted for you Schmidty, based on a post from him earlier.

[Schmidty]

That's cool. I'm not offended or anything. I haven't exactly been here a lot lately.

[Poli]

Word. Hope you can participate more.

[Poli]

by the way, if you do the math, my late submission sent Howard to Tribal Council instead of Lupus.

[Poli]

So, Schmidty, got questions or thoughts?

[Poli]

C'mon in everyone. You'll notice that Raiders and Blade were voted out at yesterday's tribal council.

Today's challenge is a little different. It's time to give back. In a moment I am going to list 5 wikipedia articles all about different sports text sims, or even the text sim page itself. All are rather sad examples compared to such good articles as the one on FM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_manager). Your job is as a tribe to chose one of the articles and to improve it. One of the articles is in such dire straights that it is being considered for deletion. Articles will be given on a First Come, First Serve basis, so once a tribe claims an article another tribe may not claim it. Since this is a more time intensive challenge, you have until Sunday at Noon to complete it. You may continue to work on it after that, but there is no guarantee that judges will see any changes after that time. After that time our panel of guest judges will rate you on:
Depth of Information
Clarity of Writing
Presentation/Organization

The titles you have to chose from are:
FOF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_Office_Football)
OOTP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_the_Park_Baseball)
Text Sims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_sims)
MF (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Football)
Fast Break Basketball/Fast Break College Basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Break_Basketball) (Page needs to be started)

This is both a reward and immunity challenge. The losing team will go to tribal council. Only one catch. The tribal council and their tribal thread for the day, will be accessible by the winning team and all voting will be done publicly. So the winning tribe should gain some real insight into how the losing team is operating. Not to mention the winning team is once again immune from wolf attack.

Survivor's ready? Go!


I claimed FOF for us, but here's the problem. After work today, I'm planning on driving through the night back home to MO, where my wife recently had surgery, her birthday, and our anniversary is during the week (and I'll miss it). So I'll likely have very little time available for this challenge.

I took front office football based on well, that's where we are and I was hoping the rest of you could fill in that better than the others. I DID NOT want to get stuck with maximum football, which was that horrible game, right?

[GoldenEagle]

Wikipedia and writing is my thing. I was made for this challenge.

[ImTheCrew]

i wont be availble almost all day sorry guys

[Poli]

Wikipedia and writing is my thing. I was made for this challenge.
Excellente! I'll be around, sort of, until 10pm Central, after that it's the drive home...and then I'll be largely unavailable until Monday afternoon.

[Barkeep49]

This is shocking? Man I got all excited after reading that.

[Poli]

Hey, go away mod! :)

[ImTheCrew]

what are you refrering to?

[Poli]

ITC, GE said we had something shocking happen last night...but didn't say what...over in the common thread.

[ImTheCrew]

yea sorry just read that, didnt realize there was any new post

[ImTheCrew]

how do you guys feel about revealing what happend last night??

[Poli]

I don't. At all.

[ImTheCrew]

i dont think we should, the only reason why i would is b/c right now people are saying there is 1 wolf per tribe and if they know we got rid of ours we will be off the choping block for a while

[Poli]

I doubt it. GE presented the argument to keep us safe and the others have failed to understand why that would be important IE one of us is the flippin seer!

Our information just makes them that much goosier and tells the remaining wolves, hey, we can take anyone off on that team now, we wouldn't possibly be killing a wolf!

[st.cronin]

Guys, there is only one way RA's admission makes any sense - there is another wolf in our tribe.

Think about it.

[ImTheCrew]

Guys, there is only one way RA's admission makes any sense - there is another wolf in our tribe.

Think about it.


explain

[ImTheCrew]

i was just thinking that the volunteers are wolves

[ImTheCrew]

ill be back around 2:30

[GoldenEagle]

Guys, there is only one way RA's admission makes any sense - there is another wolf in our tribe.

Think about it.

I agree. Since our tribe was so big, I feel there are more wolves lurking among us. RA's reveal makes no sense at all.

I really do not think we need to go public with this info. Whoever the seer is should concentrate on identifying people within our tribe and not Lathum or whoever.

[st.cronin]

Yeah, the seer should work within our tribe for now.

My theory is this: RA figured that when he made his reveal, we would vote him off. Then, thinking we were safe, the seer would come out, or start scanning random people in other tribes, and the wolf in this tribe would be safe.

It's the only way his reveal makes any sense.

[GoldenEagle]

What about we say that RA was the seer? That might take some heat off of us. But then we would have to somehow explain how we voted off the seer.

[st.cronin]

Is there a downside to saying that RA was a wolf, outed by our seer?

[GoldenEagle]

Is there a downside to saying that RA was a wolf, outed by our seer?

Yes. We have no way of knowing his wolf, other than what he told us. We do not get traditional confirmation like we would in a normal game, so questions would arise as to how we know this.

[st.cronin]

Yes. We have no way of knowing his wolf, other than what he told us. We do not get traditional confirmation like we would in a normal game, so questions would arise as to how we know this.

What I'm thinking is we present that we know who our seer is, that he outed RA as a wolf, and that we believe there to be no more wolves in our tribe.

Whatever wolf is in our tribe will not be helped by this.
Wolves in other tribes might be confused by this.
Also tribes might be more willing to lay down for us.

[Poli]

I like it on first glance.

[st.cronin]

I'm The Crew seemed in favor of a similar plan as well. I say we give GE a chance to express his doubts before bringing it to the other thread.

As for Schmidty, sod him if he doesn't like it. :D

[st.cronin]

Note that I posted in the other thread that Lathum was not a wolf. This appears to have caused some buzzing.

I have no idea if RA was telling the truth about this.

[Poli]

I'm game. Alan's latest post is interesting. I'm for a reveal, either truth or whatever.

[st.cronin]

Should we ask how many wolves are in Oz? I think RA was eliminated before they asked their questions.

[ImTheCrew]

im confused where do you guys, get that there are two wolves

[Poli]

That's the trick there.

[GoldenEagle]

I still think we should consider playing RA off as the seer. Maybe say that RA revealed that he was the seer after we voted him off. The only problem with this is that if there is a wolf among us, then they know of our lie and it does us no good.

[st.cronin]

im confused where do you guys, get that there are two wolves

Because he wasn't likely to get voted off before his reveal. There was very little chance of us going along with his plan. The most likely explanation is that he was softening us up. Now, having voted our wolf off, we'll lower our guard and whoever his partner was will screw us.

[ImTheCrew]

That's what I would expect you to do. You're learning quickly my young Padawan! :)

Let me drop the bomb on you guys: I am the wolf in the tribe.

I thought about how I might play it out, but I think this is the best way. Sooner or later I'm going to either get caught by the seer or the lynch. Mostly sooner.

Here is my rationale for coming out of the closet:

1. I'm out of the game in a few days anyhow if I don't.
2. I can help you within the game itself. During the night phase I can scan for another wolf. I scanned Lathum the other night. He came clean.
3. Once I find another wolf (like on another tribe) I can PM with them. I can then post that information in our thread, thus giving us a heads-up on other tribal information. For instance, on days like today I'll know their bids. You can be sure that no other wolf will even think of coming out of the closet.
4. I can kill once per night, but I can withhold from doing so (which of course I will for continued existence in the game).

I feel as if I can be a much more valuable asset than an ordinary player in the game. I became a wolf when I volunteered. What do you guys say?
i think it shows right there that its the volunteers if im wrong please correct me

[st.cronin]

I still think we should consider playing RA off as the seer. Maybe say that RA revealed that he was the seer after we voted him off. The only problem with this is that if there is a wolf among us, then they know of our lie and it does us no good.

I think it is exceedingly likely that there is still a wolf among us. I say we ask Helsing how many wolves they found in oz.

[Poli]

I'm game.

[st.cronin]

i think it shows right there that its the volunteers if im wrong please correct me

The only thing I am sure about is that RA was a wolf. Anything else he told us needs to be verified.

[ImTheCrew]

and the only person i think is a wolf would be RA, hes the one who volunteered

That's what I would expect you to do. You're learning quickly my young Padawan! :)

Sorry this is the two qoutes i wanted to show you guys, correct me where im wrong in my thinking of volunteer=wolves

[st.cronin]

I believe Ardent claimed he volunteered as well.

[GoldenEagle]

Lathum was perhaps the worse person to ask the question about our tribe. If he is a wolf, then he could slant the information. This game is starting to get interesting.

If we say that RA was a wolf, then exactly how much information should we reveal? going on the assumption that what RA told us was 100% true.

[ImTheCrew]

ok i see the point in trying to make us lower our guard but there isnt a benift for him

[Poli]

I did, in fact, volunteer, but received no information whatsoever. I IMed Barkeep and asked if that meant I got nothing, seer, volunteer, anything. He told me I was correct.

[st.cronin]

Where you're wrong ITC is that RA saying something doesn't make it so. He was only likely to be truthful with us regarding stuff we can verify.

[st.cronin]

what's up ge

[GoldenEagle]

Alright, we need to really plan this out. Lathum wants the information. Why does he want what RA says so bad? I am curious to know if our seer scanned Lathum., but I really do not want to know who the seer so keep that info to yourself for now.

I think we should give a condensed version of what RA said. We also have to consider the upcoming challenge. If we lose, I think other teams get to look at our thread.

[st.cronin]

How about just keeping it simple, like this:

RA was outed by our seer as a wolf. One player was more or less a consensus choice but then our seer stepped forward, and despite every tribe member having a chance, nobody contradicted our seer.

We do not know if there is another wolf in our midst. We also do not know anything about other wolves. RA in his final words admitted that he was a wolf.

[GoldenEagle]

I like it. Let's wait for AE to confirm. But what if they ask if we know who the seer is?

[st.cronin]

I like it. Let's wait for AE to confirm. But what if they ask if we know who the seer is?

Well, there's no way anybody could expect us to answer that question. We'd just :p and giggle.

[st.cronin]

I'm going to go ahead and post it, since ae said he was in favor of a reveal.

[ImTheCrew]

i wasnt in favor, but oh well i guess majority is right

[GoldenEagle]

Now the real question is what do we answer about Lathum.

[ImTheCrew]

there is no other wolves in the tribe, as i thought

[st.cronin]

0 wolves, that's awesome

I think we can be completely honest now.

[st.cronin]

I have to admit, I don't understand RA's play at all now.

[GoldenEagle]

there is no other wolves in the tribe, as i thought

Please remember that Lathum was outed by RA as a wolf. He could very well be bending the information. People do not 100% tell the truth in WW. This is your first lesson.

I think we should do something like this in the main thread.

We purposely held back information from this thread. RA not only revealed how the wolf system worked, but also gave us the name of the wolf on Heilsburg (sp?) Tribe. We are debating whether or not our seer should confirm this information.

Opinions? AE? Are you back yet?

[ImTheCrew]

i see the good:trust, no wolves! but the bad: wolves from other tribes can pick us off

[ImTheCrew]

Please remember that Lathum was outed by RA as a wolf. He could very well be bending the information. People do not 100% tell the truth in WW. This is your first lesson.

I think we should do something like this in the main thread.

We purposely held back information from this thread. RA not only revealed how the wolf system worked, but also gave us the name of the wolf on Heilsburg (sp?) Tribe. We are debating whether or not our seer should confirm this information.

Opinions? AE? Are you back yet?
ge, this was my next post cant trust anyone and i understand, but the wolf in the tribe(yellow) know if hes tell

[st.cronin]

Please remember that Lathum was outed by RA as a wolf. He could very well be bending the information. People do not 100% tell the truth in WW. This is your first lesson.

I think we should do something like this in the main thread.

We purposely held back information from this thread. RA not only revealed how the wolf system worked, but also gave us the name of the wolf on Heilsburg (sp?) Tribe. We are debating whether or not our seer should confirm this information.

Opinions? AE? Are you back yet?

Actually, RA claimed that Lathum was NOT a wolf.

[GoldenEagle]

Let me drop the bomb on you guys: I am the wolf in the tribe.

I thought about how I might play it out, but I think this is the best way. Sooner or later I'm going to either get caught by the seer or the lynch. Mostly sooner.

Here is my rationale for coming out of the closet:

1. I'm out of the game in a few days anyhow if I don't.
2. I can help you within the game itself. During the night phase I can scan for another wolf. I scanned Lathum the other night. He came clean.
3. Once I find another wolf (like on another tribe) I can PM with them. I can then post that information in our thread, thus giving us a heads-up on other tribal information. For instance, on days like today I'll know their bids. You can be sure that no other wolf will even think of coming out of the closet.
4. I can kill once per night, but I can withhold from doing so (which of course I will for continued existence in the game).

I feel as if I can be a much more valuable asset than an ordinary player in the game. I became a wolf when I volunteered. What do you guys say?

My fault. You are correct.

[st.cronin]

So, any thoughts on if we should give the full story in the other thread now? Or on what we should say about Lathum, if anything?

I'm inclined to think that Lathum is not a wolf.

[GoldenEagle]

But RA had to do this for a reason. We need to figure out the reason why he did before we share any other information.

[st.cronin]

But RA had to do this for a reason. We need to figure out the reason why he did before we share any other information.

RA probably knew he was the only wolf in this tribe. The bit about volunteering is probably true - it would be too easy for somebody else in the tribe to disprove it.

I don't think anything else he said can be considered true yet. Although I am inclined to think Lathum is clear.

I can't figure out the reason why RA came forward.

[GoldenEagle]

Also, the way that RA gave us reasons for not voting him off really concerns me.

I think that RA knew he was scanned on night 1 and knew he was on a short leash. Therefore, he and the other wolves decided to do something drastic.

[st.cronin]

Also, the way that RA gave us reasons for not voting him off really concerns me.

I think that RA knew he was scanned on night 1 and knew he was on a short leash. Therefore, he and the other wolves decided to do something drastic.

Or, he thought he was scanned. I think I was the only one who said I was voting for him before his reveal, and I didn't scan him.

I agree that it's at least possible that the wolves are in fact able to communicate.

By the way, the seer should definitely not come forward yet.

[Schmidty]

As for Schmidty, sod him if he doesn't like it. :D

Is that a snotty British term? :)

Anyway, I just woke up, and am going through my "go get daughter from daycare, eat lunch" thing, but today I get the crappy bonus of having to grocery shop too. I think I'll be back around 6-7 pm EST. It doesn't look like a challenge has started yet, so I guess it's not that big of a deal.

By the way, I feel like one of thos lazy turds on Survivor, who sit around taking naps and eating all the rice and fish, while everyone else chops down trees and fishes. Sorry about that. :)

[st.cronin]

I'm probably out til tomorrow morning. If you guys want to reveal more about what went down with RA, I'm fine with that.

[st.cronin]

Let me just say again that the seer should NOT reveal himself.

[Poli]

Word.

[ImTheCrew]

i think alan is a wolf

[Poli]

Reason?

[Poli]

Did cronin tell them that RA said he doesn't know who the other wolves are?

[Poli]

GE, how goes task force wiki-FOF?Looks like cronin didn't tell them the wolves didn't know each other. Should we share that?

[GoldenEagle]

GE, how goes task force wiki-FOF?Looks like cronin didn't tell them the wolves didn't know each other. Should we share that?

That is a pretty valuable use of information. I think we should hold that Ace in the hole until it is needed.

[Poli]

Roger.

[ImTheCrew]

has it been discovered that the volunteers=wolf if not i dont think we should let that information out

[ImTheCrew]

wow i leave for about 6 hours and there hasnt been a single post , and its FRIDAY!!! :-)

[Poli]

Long long trip home. Meh.

[GoldenEagle]

has it been discovered that the volunteers=wolf if not i dont think we should let that information out

I think everyone knows this. In fact, it is minor to the information that we do hold.

[st.cronin]

I just want to point out that we don't KNOW for sure that the wolves can't communicate. RA said it, but he may have been pulling our leg.

[GoldenEagle]

I just want to point out that we don't KNOW for sure that the wolves can't communicate. RA said it, but he may have been pulling our leg.

That is correct. We do not know if RA was lying to us or if he was telling the truth. It would seem to me that the wolves are at a huge disadvantage at this game if they can not communicate until they find one another. RA's whole thing just did not make sense.

[GoldenEagle]

Here are my thoughts on the Wikipedia page:

1. Introduction
2. Contents table
3. Discuss each version, highlighting features, etc.
4.See also
5. External links
6. FOF leagues
7. References

[st.cronin]

Sounds good, what, if anything, do you need me to do, GE?

[Poli]

Guys, since we can fully trust each other, I now have an idol.

[GoldenEagle]

AE, it needs to be passed to the right person.

If everyone would get together features from each individual game, that would help out and then I could pull it all together.

[Poli]

I'd like to contribute GE, but this weekend I'm going to have way too much going on (real life: drove home all night, wife's having surgery Monday, with her birthday last wednesday and our anniv on this wednesday) for the weekend unfortunately. She's on some pain meds right now and sleeping which is the only reason i'm typing this now.

If it looks like I can, I'd be happy to help, but it's very doubtful at this time.

[GoldenEagle]

That is fine AE. I am sure we will be able to take care of it. I have played all the FOF's except the first, so I should be able to get good info.

Edit for spelling.

[st.cronin]

i do not have an idol

[Poli]

GE, I had already figured this out, and was already planning to send you this idol. :)

[Poli]

I don't have one anymore.

[Barkeep49]

**This post will be edited when all relevant parties see it**

Please do not quote this post or even talk about what I am going to say.

I am the seer. The first night I scanned RA, and he was in fact a wolf. That much is true and confirmed. On night 2 I scanned ITC, he was clean. Those are the only two scans I have been able to do so far.

Note: i can edit this, per barkeep
Wait. When did I say this?

[Poli]

Interesting

[Barkeep49]

The disagreement seems to be over a misunderstanding of the word "you". I'm trying to think of an equitable solution.

[st.cronin]

Probably the most fair thing to do would be to reroll for a new seer. Maybe it'll be GE, maybe it won't be.

[ImTheCrew]

Post

[Poli]

Post

[GoldenEagle]

Sorry guys, I never got motivated to get this done this weekend. Just did not have the time or just did not want to do it.

[ImTheCrew]

what does that mean?

[ImTheCrew]

oh ok, yea that weekends are pretty hard

[GoldenEagle]

Ok guys, I wrote this out but I have to go to a soccer game at 2. I need someone to put this on to Wiki. I have a contents table, etc. Aslo try to find my references and site them.

Introduction

Front Office Football (FOF) is a series of American football management games, the first being released in 1998. The games are developed by Jim Gindin. Gindin's company, Solecismic Software, sells the games through digital distribution.

The FOF series are text sims. The game engines are built on statistics and ratings instead of graphics. Your role is more general manager, as opposed to being a first-person quarterback. The decisions you make focus on building a team over the long-run through drafting and signing free agents. Game planning is also critical to building a successful FOF franchise.

Front Office Football

The first version of FOF was released on October 28th, 1998. It was the first version of the series. Games could be watched on the scoreboard, but play calling was not an option. The game was only released on CD. Today, the game is seen as a collectors edition and has been fetching high prices on Ebay.

Front Office Football 2

Front Office Football 2 was the sequel to the original game. It was released in August 1999. It made several enhancements to the original, including the ability to call plays during the game. Starting fresh with an expansion team was also an option. The game was sold through Digital River, an electronic distribution company.

Front Office Football 2001

This version was released in January 18th, 2001. The price of the game was $24.95 and was produced by EA Sports. It was given a 7.5 rating by Gamespot. The game including real players and teams. Gamespot reviewer Stephen Poole said, "It's easily the game of choice for football fanatics who want to micromanage every aspect of their favorite teams' operations."

Front Office Football 2002

FOF2 partnered with EA Sports again for the 2002 release. It including real players and teams. EA promoted the game as featuring stat tracking and scouting reports. The version was originally slated to be used in mutliplayer leagues, which EA sports were to sponsor. However, EA pulled the plug and the project never launched.

Front Office Football 4

FOF4 was the next version released. However, there was a break in the series as Jim Gindin took released The College Years, a spin-off of the popular FOF series. This version also was not produced by EA Sports. The Sports Game Network cites that the original release of FOF4 was buggy and that was not stable until 4.0b was released.

Front Office Football 2004

FOF2004 revolutionized the way that FOF would be played. It was the first version to offer multiplayer support, and as a result many multiplayer leagues began. The first league to launch was the now defunct WFL (Wignasty Football League). Many FOF2k4 leagues are still in existence, although several plan to eventually switch to the next version of the game, FOF2k7.

Front Office Football 2007

After a nearly two year hiatus, FOF2k7 was released on October 27th, 2006. New features included: A summer league, to which you could send one player to develop in. Solevision, which allowed you to view all 16 games at once. The game also included rookie interviews, the gray list, and many other exciting enhancements.

[ImTheCrew]

looks good man

[Poli]

Schmidty will know in about 2 days time.

[GoldenEagle]

Schmidty will know in about 2 days time.

Honestly, I hope he is ok. It is odd for him not to check in at least once.

[Barkeep49]

This tribe has been disbanded. Please read the Challenge thread for details