Survivor: New Helsing Tribal Thread

[Alan T]

Barkeep, I assume for the question which movie will win best picture, its for the 2007 academy awards...


If so, the list of nominees are:

Babel
The departed
Letters from Iwo Jima
Little Miss sunshine
The Queen.

Now, we also have to take into account since this is asking random teachers, they could also have named a film not even nominated

[SnDvls]

6:30 or 6 for the wake up...my wife is a teacher

I agree on pizza...#2 is Mac & cheese for me

[Passacaglia]

I don't think the viewpoint of a teacher really makes much difference for movies -- although, I haven't seen any of the nominated movies, and a couple of them I've never even heard of. My inclination is that a teacher is more likely to think of Little Miss Sunshine, but I really have no idea.

[Passacaglia]

I wonder if "I don't know" is a possible answer?

[Grammaticus]

A couple of things:

First thing in the morning I looked in both Oz and Howard temp threads. The Oz thread had BKs post and one other post from someone (cant recall who) asking why they didn't update the thread and asking IMT why he didn't as he was around. In the Howard thread there were no other posts than BKs.

I have no problem staying out of the Oz temp thread. At first I did not see a reason too, but the theory on them being able to discuss the night scans is good. So, I'm in on that.

As for alliances, I say we ally with Oz and target Howard first to get rid of the wolf their and Lupus second. That is barring any other things that happen between now and merge.

Last, AlanT why are you telling us what the challenge is instead of BK? Does it have something to do with your volunteering?

[Alan T]

A couple of things:

First thing in the morning I looked in both Oz and Howard temp threads. The Oz thread had BKs post and one other post from someone (cant recall who) asking why they didn't update the thread and asking IMT why he didn't as he was around. In the Howard thread there were no other posts than BKs.

I have no problem staying out of the Oz temp thread. At first I did not see a reason too, but the theory on them being able to discuss the night scans is good. So, I'm in on that.

As for alliances, I say we ally with Oz and target Howard first to get rid of the wolf their and Lupus second. That is barring any other things that happen between now and merge.

Last, AlanT why are you telling us what the challenge is instead of BK? Does it have something to do with your volunteering?

BK posted the challenge in the main thread, I just posted it here to start discussion. I wouldn't read much into it other than my trying to keep us rolling to keep our team going.

[SnDvls]

I would guess book #6 for HP being it's the latest one and most remembered

[Alan T]

Dola, as for the howard first, lupus second thing.. I think it should be the other way around.

Right now we know 100% that there is 1 wolf in Lupus.

In Howard, they have 3 players still: Path, Jonathan and Marathoner. Ntndeacon was voted off, and we do not know if ntndeacon was the wolf or not. There was a 25% chance that ntn was their wolf, so only 75% chance that one of the three remaining howard members are a wolf.

My preference right now would be for Lupus to go first since we know for sure there is still a wolf there.

[Alan T]

I don't think the viewpoint of a teacher really makes much difference for movies -- although, I haven't seen any of the nominated movies, and a couple of them I've never even heard of. My inclination is that a teacher is more likely to think of Little Miss Sunshine, but I really have no idea.

Well it really depends on who the people surveyed are. Evidentally, although I have never seen it ... the Queen is an excellent movie that is well thought of by academic types. Also my girl won't stop talking about Babel, but she is hispanic, so that might be why :)

The only one on that list i have seen is little miss sunshine

[Alan T]

Hmm one thing about the wakeups, it was a mix sampling between teachers and other patrons. I think teachers might tend to wake up a bit earlier than some other jobs, but I still think 6:30 is a solid answer there.

[SnDvls]

The only one on that list i have seen is little miss sunshine


ditto

as has my wife and her teacher friends...they actually suggested it to us

[Passacaglia]

Hmm one thing about the wakeups, it was a mix sampling between teachers and other patrons. I think teachers might tend to wake up a bit earlier than some other jobs, but I still think 6:30 is a solid answer there.

Yeah -- it may not be the average answer, but it's probably the mode.

[Lathum]

hey guys, getting caught up.

Poker Player- Phil Ivey, pretty much a no brainer with that one he is widely regarded the best player in the world.

Harry Potter- I am a HUGE Harry Potter fan. Book 3 The Prisoner of Azkaban is most peoples faviorate one.

Food- I will go with pizza if you want but I have worked for TGI Fridays for 11years and I can say without a doubt chicken fingers are a run away favoriate here.

[Passacaglia]

Do they have pizza at TGI Fridays?

[Lathum]

I think 6:30 is a solid answer.

I think we can throw the departed out for the movie catergory, to violent for most teachers. Letters from Iwo Jima may not be a great choice either. I think alot of them probably didn't see The Queen. My vote is Babel based on Brad Pitt and my asumption most teachers are women and may have some bias

[Lathum]

Do they have pizza at TGI Fridays?

yes

[Alan T]

hey guys, getting caught up.

Poker Player- Phil Ivey, pretty much a no brainer with that one he is widely regarded the best player in the world.

Harry Potter- I am a HUGE Harry Potter fan. Book 3 The Prisoner of Azkaban is most peoples faviorate one.

Food- I will go with pizza if you want but I have worked for TGI Fridays for 11years and I can say without a doubt chicken fingers are a run away favoriate here.

THanks for the poker player/harry potter ones.. both were entries I had no clue on.

As for the food, I thought about both chicken fingers and mac & cheese.. but maybe its just my experience with kids, but both of those are younger kid food. As kids got older, they always seemed to prefer pizza over chicken fingers.

I'm ok with going with either, but I would think pizza is more likely. We could take a gamble and say chicken fingers, assuming other teams might say pizza with the hope to beat them in a risky category.

[Lathum]

plus have a niece in second grade who I spend alot of time with. She would eat chicken fingers every day.

[Lathum]

I'm not in love with chicken fingers, just throwing it out there.

[Alan T]

lol, I was about to say.. "let me just IM my girlfriend and ask her since she is a teacher.. but then I remembered one of the earlier rules.. we can look stuff up online but can't go to someone who has inside knowledge... I guess that I would violate a rule if I asked her .. ahh well

[Alan T]

I'm not in love with chicken fingers, just throwing it out there.


No its good, I bet both answers are on the board, just not sure where for either of them.


As for movies, I agree with you.. its probably either Babel or Little miss sunshine.. I just am trying to be careful about babel because thats the one my girlfriend talked about a ton, but she is hispanic, so that might be why. We watched little miss sunshine together and both liked it alot.

I guess the question is which movie is the one most people will assume will win it if asked?

[Lathum]

dola- I think the Harry Potter one will be pretty evenly spread out. It would help to know the age distribution of the people asked that question

[SnDvls]

Ivey is the bald black guy right? isn't there another Phil? Helmuth or something? your guess is better than mine

I can see chicken fingers or chicken nuggets my 2 year old eats the nuggest all the time, but I think pizza is more popular for the older kid crowd.

[Alan T]

This is what I have as our various answers so far:

30 library patrons in the Youth Services section of a library were asked: Which is the best Harry Potter book? (6 answers)

#3 - Prizoner of Azkaban

40 fourth graders were asked: What is your favorite food? (5 answers)

Pizza, Chicken nuggets, Mac & Cheese

20 teachers were asked: Which movie will win best picture? (5 answers)

Little Miss sunshine, Babel

20 poker players were asked: Who is the best poker player? (4 answers)

Phil Ivey

30 adults (combination of library patrons and teachers) were asked: What time do you get up in the morning (to the nearest half hour)? (6 answers)

6:30, 6:00

[Alan T]

Sorry, that should be chicken fingers, not nuggets.. (I wonder if there is a difference between the two)

[Lathum]

Ivey is the bald black guy right? isn't there another Phil? Helmuth or something? your guess is better than mine

I can see chicken fingers or chicken nuggets my 2 year old eats the nuggest all the time, but I think pizza is more popular for the older kid crowd.

yes, Ivey looks like Tiger Woods. Phil Hellmuth is the other one. Ivey is 100% without a doubt regarded as the best player in the world. I'll budge on the other ones but you have to go with me on this one.

[Alan T]

Do we want to do another game like with the bidding one?

Where we collect ideas until say 2pm or so.. then at 3pm we all submit a list with our choices, and the one who wins we go with?

To limit what if any influences the wolf might have on rigging our answers (if they even would want to)?

[Lathum]

Sorry, that should be chicken fingers, not nuggets.. (I wonder if there is a difference between the two)

I was wondering that also.

I think we can toss out mac and cheese

[SnDvls]

yes, Ivey looks like Tiger Woods. Phil Hellmuth is the other one. Ivey is 100% without a doubt regarded as the best player in the world. I'll budge on the other ones but you have to go with me on this one.


I trust you I only know the poker players in passing and both names make me go "ahh" but not someone I'd know off the top of my head as the one...the other guy that makes me go "ahh" is the Chan guy...Johnny?

I'd say go w/ Ivey too if that's what you know I have no knowledge on it.

[Passacaglia]

I still think pizza. I think chicken fingers might be the kind of thing they're more likely to order, but when asked about it in a school or library, I bet their first thought is pizza.

[Lathum]

I'm fine with pizza

[SnDvls]

I agree w/ Pizza

[SnDvls]

This is what I have as our various answers so far:

30 library patrons in the Youth Services section of a library were asked: Which is the best Harry Potter book? (6 answers)

#3 - Prizoner of Azkaban

40 fourth graders were asked: What is your favorite food? (5 answers)

Pizza, Chicken nuggets, Mac & Cheese

20 teachers were asked: Which movie will win best picture? (5 answers)

Little Miss sunshine, Babel

20 poker players were asked: Who is the best poker player? (4 answers)

Phil Ivey

30 adults (combination of library patrons and teachers) were asked: What time do you get up in the morning (to the nearest half hour)? (6 answers)

6:30, 6:00



no idea on HP so #3 is fine w/ me
pizza
Little Miss Sun.
Ivey
6:30

[Grammaticus]

I think the answer to the best poker player will be "me". Most people can't name a professional poker player.

[Mr. Wednesday]

He didn't ask 20 people, he asked 20 poker players.

[Alan T]

no idea on HP so #3 is fine w/ me
pizza
Little Miss Sun.
Ivey
6:30


So this looks like the main consensus right now..

THe only one I'm undecided on is the movie.. I still think Babel is possibly the one that alot of people will say.

[Grammaticus]

Below is the rule about outside sources. Why can't we ask our teacher wives?

1. You may use external sources, people, programs, and other information sources to assist you, as long as they do not provide you with insider information that the other players aren't privy to. For example, if I were to have a trivia challenge, you could consult either Wikipedia or your smarty-pants friend who was on Jeopardy! for the answers. However, bribing a behind-the-scenes helper for information would be breaking the rules.

[Passacaglia]

http://www.startribune.com/10142/story/890741-a890733-t23.html

[Grammaticus]

He didn't ask 20 people, he asked 20 poker players.

Most non-professional poker players don't really know the names of any poker players. I play poker and could not name a pro.

[Alan T]

Below is the rule about outside sources. Why can't we ask our teacher wives?

1. You may use external sources, people, programs, and other information sources to assist you, as long as they do not provide you with insider information that the other players aren't privy to. For example, if I were to have a trivia challenge, you could consult either Wikipedia or your smarty-pants friend who was on Jeopardy! for the answers. However, bribing a behind-the-scenes helper for information would be breaking the rules.



Hmm ok, easy way to handle this I guess:

Barkeep, is it ok to ask our teacher S.O.'s their opinion, or does that violate this rule of the game?

I guess better safe than sorry :)


As for the poker player question, I don't play poker, and only occasionally see poker on tv. I know the name Phil Ivey and know who he is. I also know who Phil Helmuth is. I would be highly suprised if the most popular answer ends up being "me". I don't know who poker players would say, but i don't have any problems beliving ivey.

[Barkeep49]

Ask away. Hell setup a poll in OT for all I care. However, you may not ask any of my students, any of the teachers I work with, any of my friends who play poker, or anyone who goes to the library I work at. :)

[Passacaglia]

Yeah, I'm cool with all the answers we have already.

[Passacaglia]

Ask away. Hell setup a poll in OT for all I care. However, you may not ask any of my students, any of the teachers I work with, any of my friends who play poker, or anyone who goes to the library I work at. :)

Damn. I'll have to cancel my Metra trip to the suburbs.

[Grammaticus]

My wife is an elementary teacher and the Librarian to boot. I have assisted her in helping with book fairs, etc. Not to mention numerous conversations and exposure to school life. The answers that I beleive are most popular are below:

1. Harry Potter and the Sorcers Stone - It is the most popular book checked out. It is also the one that sells the best at the book fairs.

2. Pizza - this is their favorite lunch item on the menu

3. Little Miss Sunshine. My wife liked this one the best by far and even purchased the DVD.

4. For poker players, I would say me or themselves.

5. 5:30am, but I think this is dependent upon what time of day school starts or the teacher is due to work. Schools are notorious for spreading out start times for traffic control. Depends upon what time BK's survey group starts work. With that caveat, maybe 6am would be a decent answer.

[Grammaticus]

Hmm ok, easy way to handle this I guess:

Barkeep, is it ok to ask our teacher S.O.'s their opinion, or does that violate this rule of the game?

I guess better safe than sorry :)


As for the poker player question, I don't play poker, and only occasionally see poker on tv. I know the name Phil Ivey and know who he is. I also know who Phil Helmuth is. I would be highly suprised if the most popular answer ends up being "me". I don't know who poker players would say, but i don't have any problems beliving ivey.

Maybe we should just say Phil :)

[Alan T]

My wife is an elementary teacher and the Librarian to boot. I have assisted her in helping with book fairs, etc. Not to mention numerous conversations and exposure to school life. The answers that I beleive are most popular are below:

1. Harry Potter and the Sorcers Stone - It is the most popular book checked out. It is also the one that sells the best at the book fairs.

2. Pizza - this is their favorite lunch item on the menu

3. Little Miss Sunshine. My wife liked this one the best by far and even purchased the DVD.

4. For poker players, I would say me or themselves.

5. 5:30am, but I think this is dependent upon what time of day school starts or the teacher is due to work. Schools are notorious for spreading out start times for traffic control. Depends upon what time BK's survey group starts work. With that caveat, maybe 6am would be a decent answer.

Remember it wasn't just teachers asked what time they wake up.

[Alan T]

For instance out of the people here what time would you put that you wake up?

I know for myself i wake up at 6:45-6:50am myself each morning (except mornings after barkeep keeping me up till 2:30am.)

So if I was asked this at the library, I would say 7am myself.

[Lathum]

The feel I get from Barkeep is he wouldn't accept "me" as an answer for the poker question.

I don't think we need to discuss that one any further. If I am wrong I'll eat some crow.

[Lathum]

dola- I am fine with The sorcerers stone-book 1. I think this will be the most evenly distributed question.

[Lathum]

so I know we said we were gonna stay out of Oz's thread but wouldn't it be helpfull to know their answers for this challenge?

[Passacaglia]

It might be nice, but I don't think it's that big of a deal.

[Passacaglia]

Then again -- do we trust Lathum enough to let him look in the thread, and just tell us about Oz's answers?

[Lathum]

Then again -- do we trust Lathum enough to let him look in the thread, and just tell us about Oz's answers?

hey

[Passacaglia]

what?

[Alan T]

Well, if we ended up at tribal council today, I definitly wouldn't be voting Lathum.. but I can't put him on my complete trust list until we get clarification from Oz on what they meant about him last week.

What they said sounded good enough for me to put good confidence in him, but I think for something to do with Oz, we should just decide as a team to look or not look. I'm trying to think in my head what knowing their answers will do to help us..

We'll know their opinion to these answers, but might not necessarily be the correct answers to the question.

[Alan T]

Since we -can- look at Howard's answers. I find it interesting that its pretty much the same stuff we said. I think what we have will be pretty common answers for all four teams.. the winner or losers might be the movie , poker player and harry potter questions.

[Passacaglia]

Oy, if we go through another day of chattering about these bids....

[Alan T]

Oy, if we go through another day of chattering about these bids....

I just posted this in the General thread, but I still think the bids thing is beating a dead horse. The way it ended up was perfect for the village and bad for the wolves. I just don't get why the wolves would have -wanted- that outcome.

[SnDvls]

Since we -can- look at Howard's answers. I find it interesting that its pretty much the same stuff we said. I think what we have will be pretty common answers for all four teams.. the winner or losers might be the movie , poker player and harry potter questions.

wait so we are going to look at Howard's thread?

[Passacaglia]

I believe so...

[Lathum]

It is way beating a dead horse.

This is a reward challenge, knowing what the other teams are discussing will be a HUGE advantage to us.

Pass, I'm not sure why you would question my trust since from what we know I have been cleared.

[Lathum]

wait so we are going to look at Howard's thread?

I have been. I see no point in winning a reward challenge then not using that reward

[Alan T]

I have been looking at howard's thread as well.

I still say we should hold off on Oz's thread. Without knowing what they want to discuss in it, I think its best to leave them be for their discussions.

[Lathum]

I have been looking at howard's thread as well.

I still say we should hold off on Oz's thread. Without knowing what they want to discuss in it, I think its best to leave them be for their discussions.

I disagree but I'll hold off for now.

[Alan T]

I disagree but I'll hold off for now.

Well here's the catch.. what if Howard tells them who they are thinking about voting off, and the seer knows info on who the wolf is in howard and wants to put out a suggestion that they should look at someone else instead.

If we are in there trying to get a leg up on the reward challenge, we effectively prevent them from doing so.

[Lathum]

Well here's the catch.. what if Howard tells them who they are thinking about voting off, and the seer knows info on who the wolf is in howard and wants to put out a suggestion that they should look at someone else instead.

If we are in there trying to get a leg up on the reward challenge, we effectively prevent them from doing so.

how?

[Alan T]

how?


I guess I don't understand your question. How are we preventing them from helping Howard vote out the wolf if the seer knows who the wolf is?

I would think the seer wouldn't pass the information along if there is a chance a wolf is watching the thread and will find out who the seer is.

I guess my main thought all along is that I'm not convinced that the wolves can't communicate to each other, but this entire time I have been working off of the possibility that you might be right that they can't. If they can't communicate, then currently the seer is safe and no wolf knows who he is. If we (including our wolf) is in the thread and the seer outs himself to say who the wolf in Howard is, then that no longer is the case.

Of course things could be like my assumption is and the wolves can communicate and already know who the seer is, but I guess better safe than sorry. Considering you were the one pushing the idea that the wolves couldn't communicate, I would think you would feel stronger this is the case than I would.

[Lathum]

I see your point but this means howard has to give us information about who they are voting out

[Lathum]

dola- I just want to see what direction they are heading in regarding this challenege

[Alan T]

I guess for me it comes down to, what do we hope to gain vs what do we possibly risk.

Best case scenerio if we look: Their seer doesn't out himself in the thread during the day and we find out their Answers are the same as ours except of Phil Ivey they choose Phil Helmuth and instead of pizza they choose chicken fingers.

What does that do for us? We still have the same debate that they probably had on why chicken fingers or pizza is the better choice. The only huge benefit I see is if we could collect all of the answers and then strategically try to find the path that gives us the best chance to win. However for that we would still need to know the answers from Lupus.

I think the worst case scenerio of looking is far worse. We change our minds look, the seer has already outed himself based off of belief from earlier that we wouldn't be looking at their thread. For what reason the seer would have outed himself? I don't know.. perhaps the "I'm going to be away most of the day, but if Howard says they are voting player X off, say nothing. If anyone else be my spokes person and say player X is a better choice". By going and looking now, we not only risk outing the seer to a wolf (if the wolves can't communicate) and we also risk further relationalship harm that might make them unwilling to do the alliance later that some of you have posted desiring this morning.

I know we didn't officially ever go to them as a team and say "we officially decided we wouldn't look" however I could guess based on enough of our comments without any opposition up till now to this they could assume that is the case.

[Grammaticus]

I guess I don't understand your question. How are we preventing them from helping Howard vote out the wolf if the seer knows who the wolf is?

I would think the seer wouldn't pass the information along if there is a chance a wolf is watching the thread and will find out who the seer is.

I guess my main thought all along is that I'm not convinced that the wolves can't communicate to each other, but this entire time I have been working off of the possibility that you might be right that they can't. If they can't communicate, then currently the seer is safe and no wolf knows who he is. If we (including our wolf) is in the thread and the seer outs himself to say who the wolf in Howard is, then that no longer is the case.

Of course things could be like my assumption is and the wolves can communicate and already know who the seer is, but I guess better safe than sorry. Considering you were the one pushing the idea that the wolves couldn't communicate, I would think you would feel stronger this is the case than I would.If the wolves can communicate, then they would have to know who the seer is. If I have this correctly, the seer outed RA. That means RA must know who the seer is and if he could communicate with the wolves, then he would have told them.

My bet is, they cannot communicate. At least not so far.

As far as the poker answer, I'm not pushing "me" at all, go with phil or one of the phils. Although I will be happy to point out I was correct if "me" ends up being the answer.

Alan, I see the wake up question is not just teachers. The same rules apply, depends on what time you have to be at work. If we are surveying, I get up at 6:30am on work days.

[Grammaticus]

Yes, look in Howards thread.

[SnDvls]

If we are surveying, I get up at 6:30am on work days.

You all don't want to know the time I get up at...it's too damn early for me

5:10 AM

[Alan T]

If the wolves can communicate, then they would have to know who the seer is. If I have this correctly, the seer outed RA. That means RA must know who the seer is and if he could communicate with the wolves, then he would have told them.

My bet is, they cannot communicate. At least not so far.



See, while I don't know if I necessarily agree that they can't communicate, if we assume that is indeed the case, my point makes the most sense.

Only if we all believe what I do does it not make any sense :)

(sorry if thats confusing.. It made more sense in my head then trying to write it.)

[SnDvls]

okay question/solution for lathum re: oz thread

if oz cleared lathum in the common thread don't we feel it's okay for at least him to read the oz thread? I mean they felt good enough to say he's okay.

just my thought

[Alan T]

okay question/solution for lathum re: oz thread

if oz cleared lathum in the common thread don't we feel it's okay for at least him to read the oz thread? I mean they felt good enough to say he's okay.

just my thought


Did they end up clearing him? I'm working off the assumption that he is 95% good based on their comment, but when I asked them to say if it came from the seer or not, they said there was some confusion and they decided as a group to not say if Lathum was cleared by the seer.

My initial guess was that they didn't want to clear Lathum as a form of gamesmanship for later on in the game to perhaps use at getting him voted off when we all merge.. but I honestly couldn't think of a reason why they would say what they did but not clear him.

Its one of the many many things Oz has done this game thats frustrating me.

[Grammaticus]

I say, just stay out of the Oz thread period.

[Passacaglia]

okay question/solution for lathum re: oz thread

if oz cleared lathum in the common thread don't we feel it's okay for at least him to read the oz thread? I mean they felt good enough to say he's okay.

just my thought

That's what I was getting at. To me, nothing is 100%, but it seems we're pretty confident. Maybe it's okay to let him look, but no one else?

[SnDvls]

Did they end up clearing him? I'm working off the assumption that he is 95% good based on their comment, but when I asked them to say if it came from the seer or not, they said there was some confusion and they decided as a group to not say if Lathum was cleared by the seer.

My initial guess was that they didn't want to clear Lathum as a form of gamesmanship for later on in the game to perhaps use at getting him voted off when we all merge.. but I honestly couldn't think of a reason why they would say what they did but not clear him.

Its one of the many many things Oz has done this game thats frustrating me.

I do recall their double talk now that you mention it. I believe St. C said something to the effect of the confusion.

okay nevermind stay out of Oz

[Alan T]

Don't get me wrong, right now I trust Lathum more than any of the rest of you based off of that conversation. The double talk I fully assume is gamesmanship from a survivor standpoint and not a WW standpoint. Right now Oz is playing survivor and not WW as they got rid of their wolf problem.

I guess I just think its safest to stick with what we originally had all been ok with.

[Grammaticus]

I definately think Oz is being less than forthcoming with info. Apparantly RA gave "a shocker in his exit speech". I would like to know what the shocker was. Also, sounds like they are being quiet about whether or not RA knows who the seer is. Really they should share that.

If they are playing survivor it would be to their best interest to be honest with us as we are likely to be the biggest group coming into a merge. The rules say victory conditions can change at any time. Could be we merge and find out the game fundamentally changes. Plus they are generally safe from good guys until a merge as they are wolf free. It only helps them to try and work with us.

[Lathum]

I get up when I feel like it so I am not a good participant in that question.

[Lathum]

I definately think Oz is being less than forthcoming with info. Apparantly RA gave "a shocker in his exit speech". I would like to know what the shocker was. Also, sounds like they are being quiet about whether or not RA knows who the seer is. Really they should share that.

If they are playing survivor it would be to their best interest to be honest with us as we are likely to be the biggest group coming into a merge. The rules say victory conditions can change at any time. Could be we merge and find out the game fundamentally changes. Plus they are generally safe from good guys until a merge as they are wolf free. It only helps them to try and work with us.

I would imagine the victory conditions would change if we eliminate all the wolves

[Alan T]

I definately think Oz is being less than forthcoming with info. Apparantly RA gave "a shocker in his exit speech". I would like to know what the shocker was. Also, sounds like they are being quiet about whether or not RA knows who the seer is. Really they should share that.

If they are playing survivor it would be to their best interest to be honest with us as we are likely to be the biggest group coming into a merge. The rules say victory conditions can change at any time. Could be we merge and find out the game fundamentally changes. Plus they are generally safe from good guys until a merge as they are wolf free. It only helps them to try and work with us.


Well I assumed "the shocker" was the fact he was a wolf. I didn't read more into it than that. I thought they had said that RA knows who the seer was, it sounded like the seer outed him in their thread. I am pretty sure they said that a few times. The fact they won't answer one way or another about Lathum just drives me up the wall though.

[Alan T]

Well, according to St.cronin's bombshell about Lathum, he now says Lathum is not cleared, they were bluffing.

I still believe what I did before.. I think they are messing with us, and I don't know why you all want to alliance with them once the wolves are gone. They are purposely going after us with either giving wrong information, or just yanking our chain.

[Lathum]

Oz is acting like a bunch of Jackasses.

Can someone explain to me why they would say they were bluffing?

[Lathum]

this is BS, I'm giving you all 10 minutes to convince me not to read their thread.

[SnDvls]

well then really they are playing survivor then and not WW

maybe they were trying to get the wolves to attack Lathum by "clearing" him instead of attacking them. and instead of scanning him yesterday it appears they chose Howard.

it's getting to be like yesterday w/ them

if they want to play games I say let's play games.

[SnDvls]

this is BS, I'm giving you all 10 minutes to convince me not to read their thread.

I'm with you Lathum so you won't get another argument out of me now

[Alan T]

My immediate temptation is to say screw them also. Just I halfway feel it would be like road rage here and purposely driving someone off a road. I still think if you are a good guy and believe wolves can not communicate, giving our wolf the chance at finding out who the seer is ends up being bad for us all.

[Alan T]

Maybe we can work out something else here..

If everyone else wants to play survivor more than WW, perhaps we can too.. Perhaps our wolf can buy some trust with us by outing himself and who the other two wolves are. We can test their trust by feeding the name to the seer to scan tonight. If they come up right, then we go into survivor mode..

In which time all of the wolves except for ours is gone, we all work as a team together (including the wolf) to just beat the other teams. If Oz wants to play this way, so can we...

Thoughts?

[Lathum]

I'm all for a wolf outing himself but tat is probably not gonna happen?

[Lathum]

10 minutes is up. I'm going in

[Passacaglia]

this is BS, I'm giving you all 10 minutes to convince me not to read their thread.

I have no argument. I'm not even sure I would trust any information in their thread at this point, anyway. At the very least, they're not going to say who the seer is in it.

[SnDvls]

AE just said have at it too so they could care less as well.

[Alan T]

Very well, just make sure to post in the common thread that we changed our mind so the seer doesn't end up outing himself without realizing. (even though from their posts it really sounds like they are oblivious to whats happening in this game anyways)

[Lathum]

Very well, just make sure to post in the common thread that we changed our mind so the seer doesn't end up outing himself without realizing. (even though from their posts it really sounds like they are oblivious to whats happening in this game anyways)

I'm not extending them any courtesy.

[Passacaglia]

Very well, just make sure to post in the common thread that we changed our mind so the seer doesn't end up outing himself without realizing. (even though from their posts it really sounds like they are oblivious to whats happening in this game anyways)

That gave me a chuckle.

[Alan T]

Maybe we can work out something else here..

If everyone else wants to play survivor more than WW, perhaps we can too.. Perhaps our wolf can buy some trust with us by outing himself and who the other two wolves are. We can test their trust by feeding the name to the seer to scan tonight. If they come up right, then we go into survivor mode..

In which time all of the wolves except for ours is gone, we all work as a team together (including the wolf) to just beat the other teams. If Oz wants to play this way, so can we...

Thoughts?

I'm all for a wolf outing himself but tat is probably not gonna happen?

I don't know, perhaps not. I tossed it out there though as a wolf has to realize that as long as the seer is not incompetant, he should be able to narrow down the Howard and Lupus wolves before any merger happens. So then its just a case of him vs everyone.

What I was offering is a case of all 6 of us vs the people that will be left in Oz , Lupus and Howard. I would think giving him 5 allies would be better than his 2 who likely will be dead before he can make use of them.

Remember its not just werewolf, this is survivor too.. and our wolf's best way to survive might be to abandon his other wolf friends and be loyal to us.

[Lathum]

nothing interesting at all in their thread.

I think AE is trying to say raiders outed me as a wolf in the common thread. It seems to me they are trying to get us to argue with each other and cause problem among our tribe. I just don't see any reason for their play.

[Passacaglia]

I think that, if anything, they uncleared you, because they thought we might nominate you to look in their thread. But that might be giving them too much credit.

[Lathum]

Remember its not just werewolf, this is survivor too.. and our wolf's best way to survive might be to abandon his other wolf friends and be loyal to us.

yeah, but that gives the wolf no chance to win the game assuming we are operating under normal werewolf winning conditions.

[Alan T]

nothing interesting at all in their thread.

I think AE is trying to say raiders outed me as a wolf in the common thread. It seems to me they are trying to get us to argue with each other and cause problem among our tribe. I just don't see any reason for their play.

Because they got rid of their wolf and have the seer. Now they are playing survivor with us instead of WW. To them we aren't on the same team whereas for us they were.

[Alan T]

yeah, but that gives the wolf no chance to win the game assuming we are operating under normal werewolf winning conditions.


Do we know what the winning conditions are even?

[Lathum]

but why "unclear" me.

Is it a ploy to make people think the seer really didn't out himself?

[Alan T]

Just reread my pm, it just tells me I'm a normal villager, my tribe, and the info on which threads to post in. I don't even know what the winning condition for the villagers are much less the wolf. I'll re-read through the rules, but my assumption is you want to be the last survivor..
I'm pretty sure a wolf will have a better chance at being the final survivor with us as their alliance than the other wolves.

[Lathum]

Do we know what the winning conditions are even?

no, thats why I said assuming

[Lathum]

Just reread my pm, it just tells me I'm a normal villager, my tribe, and the info on which threads to post in. I don't even know what the winning condition for the villagers are much less the wolf. I'll re-read through the rules, but my assumption is you want to be the last survivor..
I'm pretty sure a wolf will have a better chance at being the final survivor with us as their alliance than the other wolves.

seriously, I may be missing something but how does that make any sense?

Lets say I am the wolf in our tribe and I say " Path and Anxiety are the other wolves" So we merge ant Path and Anxiety are the first to get lynched. YAY. Tell me why you wouldn't kill me next?

[Alan T]

seriously, I may be missing something but how does that make any sense?

Lets say I am the wolf in our tribe and I say " Path and Anxiety are the other wolves" So we merge ant Path and Anxiety are the first to get lynched. YAY. Tell me why you wouldn't kill me next?

Well to return this question back to you.. when you say you want to alliance with me and the other members in this tribe once the merger happens.. whats to say that after we vote off the people from Lupus and Howard, you won't come after me next? Its because we have an alliance, and give our word not to. I assume in the end it will be something similar to normal survivor where those voted off get to have the final say for the winner.. that would be the perfect way to lose is by going against your word.

I think a wolf on our team if they allied with us could be advantageous as not only could we ally up against the other tribes, plus the wolf would be able to do night actions against the others too.

Only when it gets down to the final 6 of us (if we are all still around then), would we then be after each other.. at which point is the wolf really that much different than the rest of us?

[Lathum]

Well to return this question back to you.. when you say you want to alliance with me and the other members in this tribe once the merger happens.. whats to say that after we vote off the people from Lupus and Howard, you won't come after me next? Its because we have an alliance, and give our word not to. I assume in the end it will be something similar to normal survivor where those voted off get to have the final say for the winner.. that would be the perfect way to lose is by going against your word.

I think a wolf on our team if they allied with us could be advantageous as not only could we ally up against the other tribes, plus the wolf would be able to do night actions against the others too.

Only when it gets down to the final 6 of us (if we are all still around then), would we then be after each other.. at which point is the wolf really that much different than the rest of us?

sure the wolf is different, it can do night kills. I'll say this much, when we merge I will keep an alliance with guys. In a perfect world we have the 6 of us left and it turns into a small ww game with one wolf and 5 villagers.

[Alan T]

Well it was just an idea to toss out. I figured us as a solid 6 would be stronger than 6 people picking at each other's flaws trying to figure out who the wolf was.

Obviously if people aren't willing to make a deal with the wolf, he probably won't out himself.

Was worth an idea, since other tribes are less concerned about playing WW to try to do our tribe in.

[Lathum]

I am willing to but I just don't see there being much plus side for the wolf.

But lets keep the ideas flowing, I think it is the reason for our success thus far

[Grammaticus]

Well, according to St.cronin's bombshell about Lathum, he now says Lathum is not cleared, they were bluffing.

I still believe what I did before.. I think they are messing with us, and I don't know why you all want to alliance with them once the wolves are gone. They are purposely going after us with either giving wrong information, or just yanking our chain.

I would consider allying with them because they were wolf free. But, good point if they are screwing with us as we try to help them, there is a breaking point somewhere. Right now, I'm under the impression the winning conditions is "to be the ultimate survivor", not to beat wolves or for wolves to beat us. Is there any reason to think otherwise? The rules posted so far, do not state any other objective.

[Alan T]

I am willing to but I just don't see there being much plus side for the wolf.

But lets keep the ideas flowing, I think it is the reason for our success thus far

Well maybe I am just not seeing it from the wolf perspective I guess.

With Howard in Tribal council today, there will be 2 howard members at the end of the day. If the wolf hasn't already been voted off, the Howard wolf is outed in 2 days or less. With 3 people in Lupus (including 1 wolf), that means maximum in 5 days our wolf has lost all of his allies. I am pretty sure that we won't be in the merger by then.

So a lone wolf in this tribe then can go into things vs us 5, the 4 people left in Oz, and the 1-3 people left over in Lupus & Howard... that is 1 vs 10 or so... Or they can betray his fellow wolves, make the seer role one we don't need to necessarily protect any more and become loyal to us. (Likewise us being loyal to him). That way it would be us 6 vs the 5-6 people from other tribes at a merger.

I think by a wolf outing himself now (under gurantuee of being one of the team here), has a much better chance at being the final survivor than one who goes into the merger 1 vs 10 knowing the seer has a wolf immunity idol.

Maybe I am just oversimplifying things in my head here, but I really honestly think this is a win-win for both us and the wolf. We as a team then don't have to worry about throwing jabs at each other, or throwing suspicion at each other and can instead focus at repaying Oz for what they are doing, and putting Lupus and Howard out of commision.

[Grammaticus]

I agree, looks like we will be able to deep six the other wolves by eliminating Lupus and Howard. That would put the wolf in our group all alone. Maybe the wolf can bring something to the table that will help us and if that is the case, I would consider making a deal with our wolf.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Re: HP, I've seen several people state (in discussing the movies) that HP3 is their favorite book. Personally, having read through HP4 (I'm not going to get ahead of the movies), I prefer HP4.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and I like Ivey as a choice from any "connected" players. In addition to Helmuth, two other possible answers that spring to mind are Chris Ferguson and Daniel Negreanu.

[SnDvls]

Barkeep

in case no one else post this. here are our answers...and if someone posts after me then they will superseed my submission.

HP book #1
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:30 AM

Helsing - I won't be on the rest of tonight so feel free to change these just wanted to make sure something was done.

[Lathum]

Barkeep

in case no one else post this. here are our answers...and if someone posts after me then they will superseed my submission.

HP book #1
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:30 AM

Helsing - I won't be on the rest of tonight so feel free to change these just wanted to make sure something was done.

good looking out. I agree with these except maybe for the harry potter one

[Passacaglia]

You guys ever get the feeling we're the only ones actually playing this game?

[Lathum]

You guys ever get the feeling we're the only ones actually playing this game?

a little. It seems Oz was bored and maybe made that play with I'm cleared/ I'm not cleared.

I think we need a merge, people may be getting a little stale.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm not sold on HP1 as the favorite. And I don't think it being the most "popular" is in any way conclusive; the most likely reason for that, IMO, is people who want to "try out" the series and see how the like it before diving in.

[Passacaglia]

Glad to see AE get a vote in, and for someone other than himself. I'm glad he's still trying, after saying he kind of hopes he's voted out. It must be hard to vote, knowing that you don't have any wolves that you can vote for -- it has to be for a villager. Plus, I think the other tribes have "Helsing envy" -- they see how awesome of a team we are, and wish they could be on a team like that.

[Grammaticus]

We can't just post the answers, right? We actually have to PM Barkeep, correct?

[Lathum]

We can't just post the answers, right? We actually have to PM Barkeep, correct?

BK said we could post them in our tribes thread if we wanted to

[Grammaticus]

Cool, I checked his post. He did say either PM'd or clearly posted in the thread. Do you want to PM it just to be safe?

[Grammaticus]

I think some of the whinning that is going on is gameplay.

[Grammaticus]

Are we ready to etend an offer to our wolf?

Will the real wolf please stand up?

[Lathum]

It's not me

[Passacaglia]

I bet there's a lot of whining going on about us in the other threads. Can't wait until this game ends, so I can read them.

[SnDvls]

it's not me

just a last check before I head out for the night

[Passacaglia]

oh, yeah, I'm not the wolf.

[SnDvls]

wow looks like Oz is throwing in the towel

not a good sign for the villagers that's for sure.

[SnDvls]

ok for real this time I'm out...hold down the fort and bring home another Helsing victory!!

[Alan T]

those answers are fine with me too

[Mr. Wednesday]

Can we discuss the HP book choice? My concerns expressed above have not been assuaged.

[Lathum]

Can we discuss the HP book choice? My concerns expressed above have not been assuaged.

sure. I am a big fan of the series and I say book 3.

[SnDvls]

okay I'm back from the parent meeting

I have no pony in the race for HP book so since 2 want it changed what # HP book do you want? Just post a new change.

[Mr. Wednesday]

So are we going with book 3, or book 1?

[Mr. Wednesday]

(FWIW, according to their thread, Howard is going with book 4.)

[Lathum]

I am ok with any HP book. I think more then any other question that answers to that one will be spread across the board.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Double dola, I think my preference is 3.

[Lathum]

If we switch I say switcht to book 4 since that is the most recent movie.

[Alan T]

I dont know HP other than the movies. I'll go with what the majority wants.

[Lathum]

Double dola, I think my preference is 3.

this one was MY favoriate

[Lathum]

Mr. Wed, why don't you pick. Someone needs to.

[SnDvls]

we've got two votes for 3 and 2 I don't cares so let's change it then to book #3

I've got a change I'd like to make for wake up time to 6 AM, but Howard is going w/ that also. If you think about it a little more what times to most schools start? in AZ it's 7:45 to 8:20 AM. My wife's school starts at 8:20 in our case, but she is contracted to be there at 7:45. Having to get a child ready increases the time you must get up. The people asked were at a community library and teachers so I'd like to go with 6 IMO. I will agree to the group opinion though, but my gut says we need to go w/ 6.

thoughts?

[SnDvls]

dola - looks like a vote for 3 and 4 and 2 IDK

[SnDvls]

double dola - should say 2 IDC

[Mr. Wednesday]

I would buy that. I think my mom gets up around 6:15, she's an instructional aide.

[SnDvls]

you know what would help BK

what was the male to female ratio of teachers asked in all questions?

[SnDvls]

also

our wake up time did you make them in 30 min. increments or 15 min increments?

[Lathum]

I'm OK with 6:00

As seemingly the biggest HP fan of the tribe I say we go with book 4

we have 10 minutes

[Lathum]

also

our wake up time did you make them in 30 min. increments or 15 min increments?

I believe it was 30

[SnDvls]

HP book #3
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:30 AM

these are our latest answers any changes?
I'd like to change the last to 6 unless there are objections

[SnDvls]

HP book #4
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:30 AM


okay Barkeep as of now these are our official answers

[Mr. Wednesday]

Out of the first four, I prefer four, I only suggested three because I had seen it mentioned as a favorite by other HP fans. Is there anything useful on the HP fansite? (Mugglenet or Muggle.net or whatever it's called.)

[Lathum]

grrrr

this is the first challenge we have overthought

[Alan T]

I still like 6:30. My girl's a teacher and always woke up at 6:30, plus this wasn't just teachers this question is asked of. I just think 6:30 feels better to me.

[SnDvls]

oops

HP book #4
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:00 AM

these are them sorry

[Barkeep49]

you know what would help BK

what was the male to female ratio of teachers asked in all questions?
29 female, 1 male

[Barkeep49]

And that 1 male was not me.

[Alan T]

ugh. I still like 6:30.. but if you all prefer 6, I guess I will go with that one too. 6:30 is the one I feel best about though.

[Barkeep49]

I believe it was 30
30 is correct.

[SnDvls]

I still like 6:30. My girl's a teacher and always woke up at 6:30, plus this wasn't just teachers this question is asked of. I just think 6:30 feels better to me.


so is my wife. so are her friends I polled. we need to decide in like 5 mins or less so everyone needs to pick a pony in this ASAP

[Lathum]

I say 6:30

[SnDvls]

29 female, 1 male


would you happen to know how many have school age kids?

[Alan T]

grrrr

this is the first challenge we have overthought


I honestly don't have a good feel about most of the answers. I dont know much about poker or harry potter. I think the movies seems pretty straight forward. The only two I really like are pizza and 6:30.

At least this contest isnt for immunity :)

[SnDvls]

HP book #4
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:30 AM

[SnDvls]

oops should say is this okay then?

[Lathum]

I honestly don't have a good feel about most of the answers. I dont know much about poker or harry potter. I think the movies seems pretty straight forward. The only two I really like are pizza and 6:30.

At least this contest isnt for immunity :)

heh

I feel best about the poker

[Lathum]

oops should say is this okay then?

yes

[SnDvls]

gram & mr.W

6 or 6"30? quick

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'm good with our current slate.

[SnDvls]

HP book #4
Pizza
Little Miss Sunshine
Phil Ivey
6:30 AM

with that it's a majority so BK here are our official answers

[SnDvls]

dola - with 3 mins to spare

[Grammaticus]

6:00am

And book One

[Grammaticus]

I think we are golden with Pizza and Little Ms. Sunshine.

[Alan T]

Heh, goldeneagle posted some interesting stuff in the main thread. I don't know if its all true or B.S.

[Grammaticus]

We probably won't finish last.

[Barkeep49]

Glad you didn't pick 6:00. That way we avoid a tie. I really didn't want a tie for this one.

[SnDvls]

heros is on here so be back later

[Alan T]

Dont think it matters for this.. this isnt for tribal council right? Winner just gets a reward, no other losers right?

[Grammaticus]

Interesting stuff in the main thread. So RA just up and outed himself? That just does not sound right. Something else has to be going on.

[Alan T]

Yeah, that seems weird to me too. Also barkeep said we won after a string of defeats?

[Alan T]

Also barkeep said quickly decide one person who will be around for a bit to pm him. I'll be around for a bit.. but if others want to pm I dont mind. I'll be watching a movie.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I'll be around for a few minutes as well.

[Alan T]

anybody? anybody? beuller?

[Grammaticus]

BK screwed up and switched our total with Howard. We didn't win, we got second.

[Lathum]

I'll be around

[Lathum]

so who goes to BK

[Alan T]

BK screwed up and switched our total with Howard. We didn't win, we got second.


Yeah I saw that.


So who wants to send the PM?

[Mr. Wednesday]

He did want one from each tribe to PM, incidentally. But yeah, we should bring that to his attention.

[Lathum]

I know I shouldn't be but I am glad Oz lost

[Alan T]

Doesnt matter who lost, was only a reward challenge. Not immunity

[Mr. Wednesday]

If nobody's beaten me to it at the time I post this, I'll do it.

[Lathum]

I can do it. I'll be around tonight and free tomorrow if it is something that requires alot of time.

any objections?

[Alan T]

I nominate Lathum to send in the PM. He's been active all day. he deserves whatever it is :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

OK, Lathum, I'll defer to Alan's request on this. It's all you.

[Alan T]

lol Kwhit was brutal... "At least Oz got a submission in this time"

[Grammaticus]

Leave me out of the PM.

[Lathum]

damn, Kwhit just pwned Oz

[Alan T]

OK, Lathum, I'll defer to Alan's request on this. It's all you.


Not really a request, was just my way of saying I dont mind not doing it and lathum is usually around alot in the mornings/afternoons/evenings :) I dont care who does it

[Grammaticus]

Well, good job guys. Mr. W. good call on the book and obviously "me" was not on the list for poker playas.

But damn, I feel cheated on Sunshine. What kind of teachers does BK hang with?

[Alan T]

I sucked at most of those questions. Only one I got right was the pizza one :)

[Barkeep49]

Well, good job guys. Mr. W. good call on the book and obviously "me" was not on the list for poker playas.

But damn, I feel cheated on Sunshine. What kind of teachers does BK hang with?
Old ones. Also remember that they were voting who they thought would win, not necessarily their favorites.

[Barkeep49]

Oh and "I am" got 1 response and a real dirty glare from me :)

[Lathum]

obviously "me" was not on the list for poker playas.



told ya ;)

[Barkeep49]

Read the Challenge thread first before reading anything else in this thread

[Lathum]

oh snap!!

[Swaggs]

Checking in...

[Lathum]

welcome new members.

[Lathum]

are we supossed to be using different colors in the main thread?

[Barkeep49]

are we supossed to be using different colors in the main thread?
Yeah you get brown now as your color

[path12]

Hey guys. I'm OK to be in here now, right?

[SnDvls]

Heros is over...don't want to ruin it for anyone, but thought it was meh tonight

[Mr. Wednesday]

Oh, hey, meet the new Helsing tribal thread, same as the old Helsing tribal thread. :)

[Mr. Wednesday]

So I'm wondering... for the original Helsing folks, we had discussed some ideas about what to do after the merge, are we going ahead with that?

[SnDvls]

I still am

[Lathum]

So I'm wondering... for the original Helsing folks, we had discussed some ideas about what to do after the merge, are we going ahead with that?

I plan on it. I think our first target is obvious

[SnDvls]

oh BTW welcome new Helsing

[path12]

So I need to catch up here a bit, but I do want to say that I'd be happy to use my private thread to pass on things we might want to discuss quietly and that I will also report here things that might not be in the public thread.

[Lathum]

So I hate to sound like a dick because outside of this game I really like you ( in a non sexual way), but St. Cronin, give me one good reason why I shouldn't vote you when we go to tribal council?

[SnDvls]

hmm

if we had gone w/ my 6AM answer we would have won too.

[path12]

Oh shit. Are you telling me I'm in council AGAIN? I just finally won a challenge! That sucks, man.

[SnDvls]

Oh shit. Are you telling me I'm in council AGAIN? I just finally won a challenge! That sucks, man.


no it was a reward challenge we're all safe

[Lathum]

Oh shit. Are you telling me I'm in council AGAIN? I just finally won a challenge! That sucks, man.

we don't lose challenges

[path12]

Whew. In that case, carry on.

[SnDvls]

so lathum was it a school yard pick em' for the new tribes?

just tell me I wasn't last is all :D

[SnDvls]

time for bed

see you in the morning

[Lathum]

so lathum was it a school yard pick em' for the new tribes?

just tell me I wasn't last is all :D

It was pretty random

[st.cronin]

hello, Lathum ;)

fwiw, the story put up by me and GE earlier tonight was dead on accurate

and I really haven't understood the survivor aspect of this game at all, none of the challenges have made any sense to me.

[st.cronin]

also I do not have the idol, and I am not the seer, so no objections if you want to vote me off

[st.cronin]

So I hate to sound like a dick because outside of this game I really like you ( in a non sexual way), but St. Cronin, give me one good reason why I shouldn't vote you when we go to tribal council?

1. Because you know I'm not a wolf.

uh ... that's all I can think of. I'm not really any good at these challenges. I don't understand the survivor thing at all. Shoot, I wouldn't even object.

The seer is definitely in the other tribe, so as far as werewolf it doesn't really matter who we vote for.

[st.cronin]

dola

unless the seer was Schmidty

[st.cronin]

fwiw

ardent posted in the main thread that he thought RA was telling the truth about Lathum. This could indicate that he knew who the seer was, and had picked up some comment, or that ardent himself is the seer and had scanned Lathum, or who knows.

[Alan T]

Welcome new members to Helsing. Hopefully we can continue the way things have been. While its possible that there are no longer any wolves here, its unlikely. Our old philosophy however was to worry about that bridge when we get there. For the time we primarily had been focusing on working "as a team" to try to do the best we can in the contests.

Hopefully everyone will work together and carry their own weight. I'm still a bit irked at the stuff from Oz, but for now we probably shouldn't keep going after St.Cronin about it. Its more important to try to keep this tribe strong.

If/when we do end up in tribal council will be the time to try to identify the wolves that have infiltrated our tribe :)

[Alan T]

So, with the way Barkeep said anyone with night actions could perform them now, it seems like to me that we might start seeing wolf kills now. I assume they were prevented from killing before.

[Alan T]

Today's contest:

Today's activity should take you back to your childhood. We're going to play a game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. Each team needs to submit to me by 3:30 a list of it's players arranged from A-H (One player on Helsing will go twice). I will then post the match-ups. By 10 PM tonight each player needs to post in their thread whether they are throwing rock, paper, or scissors. The team which wins the most rounds wins immunity. The losing tribe? It's tribal council for them. Should be simple.

Alan -
Cronin -
Lathum-
Mr. W -
Path -
SnDvls -
Swaggs -



Barkeep, do we choose who goes twice, or do you pick randomly once we give our list of names? If we choose, do we list that player twice, and can their two turns be different? ie: one time rock , one time paper?


So guys, how do you want to do it? Everyone pick their own? Some kind of strategy based off of who knows what? I don't know of much rock, paper, scissor strategy and am guessing its going to end up being mostly luck. :)

We could go in with some strat heavy on one item (like everyone go rock), but that would end up being the easiest strat to be fixed by wolves, simply encouraging the other team to go all paper. Since we don't know the matchups between us and Howard, it seems the type that can be least influenced is if we all just pick our own. Right?

[st.cronin]

Well unless we all wait til deadline to post our choices, the wolves can likely fix the game either way. I still think the risk/reward of fixing a challenge can't possibly make sense for the wolves, so I'm not going to worry about that.

[Alan T]

Well unless we all wait til deadline to post our choices, the wolves can likely fix the game either way. I still think the risk/reward of fixing a challenge can't possibly make sense for the wolves, so I'm not going to worry about that.

Well without them knowing who matches up vs who, its not exactly perfect for them to fix. For instance if we go in with equal number of paper, rock and scissors any strat they chose would cause it to be equal chance of them winning, losing or tying.

[st.cronin]

Well without them knowing who matches up vs who, its not exactly perfect for them to fix. For instance if we go in with equal number of paper, rock and scissors any strat they chose would cause it to be equal chance of them winning, losing or tying.

That's a good point. How would they not know who is going to go first, second, etc. though?

[Barkeep49]

You get to choose who goes twice.

[Alan T]

That's a good point. How would they not know who is going to go first, second, etc. though?

Oh I guess I assumed it would be randomly assigned. I guess it very well may just go in order of the lists.

[st.cronin]

Lets do cronin then. He is more likely a wolf than Schmidty I think.

Catching up, but this post is hilarious, particularly considering who it's coming from.

[Alan T]

Catching up, but this post is hilarious, particularly considering who it's coming from.

You know cronin.. if you are going to get along with us, its probably best to not drag up guesses and hunches from day 1. We know alot more now than we did in day 1.

If you don't want to be a part of the team and work with us, then we'll just vote you off the first chance.. I'm willing to give you a second chance after the whole lying to us thing though.

[Swaggs]

Odd choice for a challenge, as it seems completely random to me. I know that paper/rock/scissors is not a random game, but from what I understand (I actually heard the p/r/s champion talking strategy on NPR one morning :) ), most of the skill is based on reading your opponent and setting up your plays with prior plays. Neither of which will help us much today.

So, I guess the question will become: Do we want to try to give this a lot of thought to come up with a strategy or just go at it randomly and hope for the best?

[st.cronin]

I am actualy enjoying this challange

You're a sick fuck.

[st.cronin]

You know cronin.. if you are going to get along with us, its probably best to not drag up guesses and hunches from day 1. We know alot more now than we did in day 1.

If you don't want to be a part of the team and work with us, then we'll just vote you off the first chance.. I'm willing to give you a second chance after the whole lying to us thing though.

I was honestly amused. I'm allowed to be amused. And honestly, I hope I do get voted off.

[Alan T]

Odd choice for a challenge, as it seems completely random to me. I know that paper/rock/scissors is not a random game, but from what I understand (I actually heard the p/r/s champion talking strategy on NPR one morning :) ), most of the skill is based on reading your opponent and setting up your plays with prior plays. Neither of which will help us much today.

So, I guess the question will become: Do we want to try to give this a lot of thought to come up with a strategy or just go at it randomly and hope for the best?

My suggestion is everyone put down rock, paper, scissors fo their own entry as close to 10pm as they will be around. Then at like 9:55-9:57 we use random.org to decide what order everyone's names get submitted in.

That way we won't overthink a contest thats purely luck driven, and very little chance of a wolf influencing it (if they even wanted to in the first place).

Then we just decide who wants to go twice.

I was honestly amused. I'm allowed to be amused. And honestly, I hope I do get voted off.


I don't get this at all. I don't really understand why people vote themselves or have this type of attitude.