**SPOILER ALERT** (Captain America)

[Mateo]

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NEW YORK - Captain America has undertaken his last mission — at least for now. The venerable superhero is killed in the issue of his namesake comic that hit stands Wednesday, the Daily News reported.

On the new edition's pages, a sniper shoots down the shield-wielding hero as he leaves a courthouse, according to the newspaper.
I'm not a comic guy, but how fucked up is this? Killing off a super hero who only super power is his patriotism? Long time coming, in my opinion.



http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/030707_captain.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257398,00.html) Marvel Entertainment
Demise of a Comic Hero (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257398,00.html)
In latest issue, legendary superhero Captain America gets shot down by sniper in front of courthouse.

[dubb93]

I'm not a comic book guy, but I know threads like these have lead to angry masses in the past. I would retitle this thread and add in a spoiler warning incase anyone here happens to read this particular comic book series.

[MikeVic]

Yes please. Spoiler warning!

[lordscarlet]

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I'm not a comic guy, but how fucked up is this? Killing off a super hero who only super power is his patriotism? Long time coming, in my opinion.

I'm not up on the Marvel story lines, but I assume this is closing up the Civil War storyline that got big media coverage when Spider-Man revealed himself as Peter Parker.

Also, people went nuts when Superman was killed. This won't last, he'll be back before you know it.

[rkmsuf]

you people and your spoiler warnings. geesh.

[MikeVic]

Thank you for the spoiler warning.

[Ksyrup]

Don't forget to contact CNN about putting a spoiler alert at the top of their website, too.

[rkmsuf]

Don't forget to contact CNN about putting a spoiler alert at the top of their website, too.

avoid all contact with civilization until you are sure you know everything. that will avert all spoiling.

[wade moore]

There's no harm in a spoiler tag on something like this. I edited the title to put in a spoiler tag. I don't even read comics, but it seems perfectly fair to put a tag in the title.

[Ksyrup]

This site is different, though, because we never discuss current events here, so it's not like you should expect to read about something that's happened recently.

[rkmsuf]

There's no harm in a spoiler tag on something like this. I edited the title to put in a spoiler tag. I don't even read comics, but it seems perfectly fair to put a tag in the title.

I just like to give the spoiler tag crowd a hard time.

[Ksyrup]

There's no harm, but it seems silly to not expect to learn something new when you visit here.

[wade moore]

There's no harm, but it seems silly to not expect to learn something new when you visit here.

This is very different than a current news article. This would be like putting the ending of the next Harry Potter book the day it comes out in the title. Let's use some common sense here - the people that keep up with and read Captain America comics do not want to know the end game before they have a chance to read it - just like anyone that reads a book, particularly a series like Harry Potter.

[MikeVic]

edit: wade moore beat me to the point.

[rkmsuf]

There's no harm, but it seems silly to not expect to learn something new when you visit here.

"What's the show about?"

"It's about nothing."

"Well, why am I watching it?"

"Because it's on TV."

[Toddzilla]

This site is different, though, because we never discuss current events here, so it's not like you should expect to read about something that's happened recently.Well played, sir.

[Ksyrup]

CNN Headline, in the list of news items at the top of the page:

"Shocking Event for Captain America"


This is a news article. And the "we hardly knew ye" comment wasn't any more of a spoiler than CNN's headline.

I have a problem with expecting to be insulated from news items in a forum, in general.

[rkmsuf]

somebody post some soccer scores

[Honolulu_Blue]

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I'm not a comic guy, but how fucked up is this? Killing off a super hero who only super power is his patriotism? Long time coming, in my opinion.

His only super power is his patriotism? What about the Super-Solider serum that he took that turned him into a perfect specimen of human development and conditioning? Let's also not forget his vibranium-steel fused, nigh indestructible shield.

I'm not up on the Marvel story lines, but I assume this is closing up the Civil War storyline that got big media coverage when Spider-Man revealed himself as Peter Parker.

Also, people went nuts when Superman was killed. This won't last, he'll be back before you know it.

Quoted for truth.

[st.cronin]

somebody post some soccer scores

0-0
1-0
1-1

Those are the only ones I can think of.

[Ksyrup]

somebody post some soccer scores

The irony is, I think posting a big ole "SPOILER ALERT" after "WTF - Captain America" pretty much tells you as much as "we hardly knew ye." In fact, it probably draws more attention to it.

Perhaps someone should mod the "Parental Advisory" sticker for use on spoiler threads so they can be as counter-productive as the stickers were on tapes/CDs.

[rkmsuf]

0-0
1-0
1-1

Those are the only ones I can think of.

Dammit! I taped a bunch of games and those might be the scores!

[Ksyrup]

In that case, I won't mention the game that ended 2-1.

Whoops!

[rkmsuf]

In that case, I won't mention the game that ended 2-1.

Whoops!

KKKAAAHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[wade moore]

I have a problem with expecting to be insulated from news items in a forum, in general.

Because a spoiler tag insulates you from this story?

[lordscarlet]

This is very different than a current news article. This would be like putting the ending of the next Harry Potter book the day it comes out in the title. Let's use some common sense here - the people that keep up with and read Captain America comics do not want to know the end game before they have a chance to read it - just like anyone that reads a book, particularly a series like Harry Potter.

Possibly even the hour it comes out. A lot of comic shops don't get their books out until Wednesday afternoon.

As for the people claiming it's news -- I would not expect CNN to have a headline about Dumbledore dieing (and I'm sure they did not). So readers of Captain America readers should get punished because CNN thinks that Comic Book fans don't deserve the same respect?

[Ksyrup]

Because a spoiler tag insulates you from this story?

The implication is that it does, but I think anyone seeing it would already know what the "news" is without the spoiler tag or having to read the thread.

[Ksyrup]

Possibly even the hour it comes out. A lot of comic shops don't get their books out until Wednesday afternoon.

As for the people claiming it's news -- I would not expect CNN to have a headline about Dumbledore dieing (and I'm sure they did not). So readers of Captain America readers should get punished because CNN thinks that Comic Book fans don't deserve the same respect?

It's a news items, plain and simple. Just like Superman's death was. Perhaps Bumblefuck isn't that big a character in whatever LaLaLand he's from to be sufficiently eye-catching as a stand-alone headline. I don't know, I'm not in marketing/journalism.

[BrianD]

CNN Headline, in the list of news items at the top of the page:

"Shocking Event for Captain America"


This is a news article. And the "we hardly knew ye" comment wasn't any more of a spoiler than CNN's headline.

I have a problem with expecting to be insulated from news items in a forum, in general.

There is a difference between news and endings to stories. News comes out of life pretty randomly and with little warning. Ends of stories usually have some kind of warning...like the beginnings and middles of stories. It doesn't seem overly unreasonable to have some kind of notice that you are about to be talking about the end of a recently released movie, book, or TV show. It is a small precaution to placate those that keep up with those things.

[Ksyrup]

Then take it up with CNN! If it is reported as a news-worthy item, then I don't see how we can be more restrictive about disclosing the "news" than news organizations are.

[Ksyrup]

And this isn't just limited to CNN. I just Google News'd "captain america." Guess what I found?


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</TD><TD vAlign=top>Marvel Kills Captain America (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/170749/marvel_kills_captain_america.html)
Associated Content, CO - <NOBR>25 minutes ago</NOBR>
Captain America, who is the alter ego of Steve Rogers was originally created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. He received his special powers from taking a dose ...
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ABC News - <NOBR>8 minutes ago</NOBR>
NEW YORK Mar 7, 2007 (AP)— Captain America has undertaken his last mission at least for now. The venerable superhero is killed in the issue of his namesake ...

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Monterey County Herald, CA - <NOBR>6 minutes ago</NOBR>
Over the years, an estimated 210 million copies of "Captain America" comic books, published by New York-based Marvel Entertainment Inc., have been sold in a ...

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Captain America was created in 1941 to embody patriotic feeling during World War Two. And over the years, an estimated 210 (m) million copies of `Captain ...

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[rkmsuf]

Then take it up with CNN! If it is reported as a news-worthy item, then I don't see how we can be more restrictive about disclosing the "news" than news organizations are.

I'm with you on this one, sizzle chest.

[Ksyrup]

FWIW, I understand all of your points. But my point is, the cat's out of the bag, and anyone with even a slight interest in the news is likely to accidently discover this information, so being tight-lipped about it here is ridiculous, IMO.

[wade moore]

Just because CNN does it, doesn't make it right.

BTW - what flavor of ice cream do you like with your spoilers?

[BrianD]

Then take it up with CNN! If it is reported as a news-worthy item, then I don't see how we can be more restrictive about disclosing the "news" than news organizations are.

Maybe because this place is roughly a community and most people in a communitiy will deal with the tiniest bit of inconvenience on behalf of the rest of the community.

[Ksyrup]

Just because CNN does it, doesn't make it right.

BTW - what flavor of ice cream do you like with your spoilers?


Rocky Road.

[Ksyrup]

I'm with you on this one, sizzle chest.


Thanks. I've got your back in the Stall.

Hey wait, that's not exactly what I meant... :D

[st.cronin]

Rocky Road.

I love Rocky Road. So gimme half a gallon and leave me alone.

[Ksyrup]

Maybe because this place is roughly a community and most people in a communitiy will deal with the tiniest bit of inconvenience on behalf of the rest of the community.

Like I said above, I don't have a problem with keeping certain information secret - in fact, most people have appreciated the way I've handled spoiler info in the AI thread - but here, it makes no sense. To me, there's a difference between giving away the ending of a new movie that even the critics purposely avoid doing, and reporting a "news item" (whether or not it rightfully should be considered one) that is all over the internet.

[st.cronin]

Hey! I have 10,000 posts! When did that happen?

[Ksyrup]

I love Rocky Road. So gimme half a gallon and leave me alone.

Shit, I wish you hadn't told me that. I was going to guess your favorite ice cream, but now you've spoiled it for me. Please place a SPOILER ALERT at the top of your posts before you give away such information in the future. Thanks.

[Logan]

"What's the show about?"

"It's about nothing."

"Well, why am I watching it?"

"Because it's on TV."

Not yet.

[Passacaglia]

Just curious -- what's the big problem with something in the title warning about spoilers? Just seems like common courtesy, and it doesn't suppress any news.

[Ksyrup]

Just curious -- what's the big problem with something in the title warning about spoilers? Just seems like common courtesy, and it doesn't suppress any news.

I don't have a problem with it, I just find it ridiculous for something that is such a high-profile news item at this point. On any given Sunday afternoon, you'd have to dig further to find a to-the-minute NFL score than to find out that [SPOILER ALERT] Captain America died. IMO, there's an expectation that newsworthy items will be discussed here, and I don't see the need for an automatic alert.

Again, this is in a gray area, because I understand how this news is similar to a movie ending, etc., but at this point - right or wrong - it's being treated like a real-life news story about a courthouse shooting, as opposed to a movie/book review. I get that point and agree. But, as many cliche sports figures have pointed out, "it is what it is."

[Mateo]

People please.... let's not fight.

That's not how Cap would want it.

*sniff*

[wade moore]

I don't have a problem with it, I just find it ridiculous for something that is such a high-profile news item at this point. On any given Sunday afternoon, you'd have to dig further to find a to-the-minute NFL score than to find out that [SPOILER ALERT] Captain America died. IMO, there's an expectation that newsworthy items will be discussed here, and I don't see the need for an automatic alert.

Again, this is in a gray area, because I understand how this news is similar to a movie ending, etc., but at this point - right or wrong - it's being treated like a real-life news story about a courthouse shooting, as opposed to a movie/book review. I get that point and agree. But, as many cliche sports figures have pointed out, "it is what it is."

fwiw, I likely would have had no clue about this story if it wasn't here on FOFC. I don't know how typical or a-typical I am from other FOFCers, but i'd be pretty surprised if I heard about this in my normal day-to-day activities outside of FOFC.

[Ksyrup]

People please.... let's not fight.

That's not how Cap would want it.

*sniff*

Whaddaya mean?! Did something happen to Captain America?!

[Mateo]

http://www.thenosegay.com/aboutus/b_funeral_tributes/ft4_redwhite/redandwhite.jpg

I can't decide which arrangement to get

[lordscarlet]

fwiw, I likely would have had no clue about this story if it wasn't here on FOFC. I don't know how typical or a-typical I am from other FOFCers, but i'd be pretty surprised if I heard about this in my normal day-to-day activities outside of FOFC.

Honestly I get 80% of news from FOFC. The other 20% is from coworkers. I get everything important so I don't even bother with news sites, newspapers or news on television.

(Maybe I should've put a 10% for sports news on ESPN :) )

[Ksyrup]

Needs more blue.

[Ksyrup]

Honestly I get 80% of news from FOFC. The other 20% is from coworkers. I get everything important so I don't even bother with news sites, newspapers or news on television.

(Maybe I should've put a 10% for sports news on ESPN :) )

Well, that just proves my point even more. You expect to get news from this place. So why would we put spoilers on any of it?

[BrianD]

Like I said above, I don't have a problem with keeping certain information secret - in fact, most people have appreciated the way I've handled spoiler info in the AI thread - but here, it makes no sense. To me, there's a difference between giving away the ending of a new movie that even the critics purposely avoid doing, and reporting a "news item" (whether or not it rightfully should be considered one) that is all over the internet.

So basically if you know about something from the news, you assume that everyone else knows and it is ok to talk about. You don't care that someone may have just bought the comic and hasn't had a chance to read it yet? You don't care that some people impose their own media blackout for certain things?

I never watched any news between the time a new Star Wars movie came out and the time I had a chance to see it. If I miss the Survivor finale but have it recorded, I'll avoid the news so I don't know who won until I see it. If I have to miss the Super Bowl, I'll avoid the news until I can watch the recording.

I'm sure you have noticed that most news outlets have an "Entertainment News" section. Lots of things are spoiled there every day. They give away endings to movies, books, and TV shows.

The question is, do you NEED to be right about this, or would you rather keep the general FOFC population happy and allow a spoiler tag to exist?

[BrianD]

Well, that just proves my point even more. You expect to get news from this place. So why would we put spoilers on any of it?

He probably expects the delivery of news around here to be handled more appropriately.

[wade moore]

Well, that just proves my point even more. You expect to get news from this place. So why would we put spoilers on any of it?

Because let's say he's a Captain America reader...

He'd see that, see it's a spoiler, and avoid that thread until he read it - just like I do with AI, Heroes, etc. when I watch them on Tivo.

[Ksyrup]

Again, I see this particular issue as in the gray area - it's certainly akin to a movie/show/book spoiler and should normally be handled as such. Just look at the AI thread where I heavily participate and take great pains to avoid giving spoiler info. But the difference is, I'm not equating this particular bit of news to a movie/show/book review/discussion, because it has, in and of itself, become a news item that is out there, in as plain a text as could possible be written, for everyone to see.

And to answer the question above, if it's a news item, I don't expect everyone to know about it - but it's news, meant to be shared. I didn't see anyone post about the Libby Conviction with a SPOILER ALERT in case there were people who wanted to find out about it on their own terms. Likewise, with sporting events, I'm sorry, but they're fair game as well. It's news.

I hate to keep repeating myself, but again - I understand the point about this normally not being a typical news story. But it is. Superman's death was handled the same way. As a news story, it is entitled to be disseminated and discussed without being purposely kept under wraps.

[JonInMiddleGA]

He'd see that, see it's a spoiler, and avoid that thread until he read it - just like I do with AI, Heroes, etc. when I watch them on Tivo.

Would have been kind of hard to avoid on ajc.com, with prominently displayed link text in the first screen right frame (i.e. you don't even have to scroll down, it's just sitting there just below Rosie's depression & above Jenna Bush's book.

"Comic Book Hero Captain America Dies'

Now that's a spoiler.

[lordscarlet]

Well, that just proves my point even more. You expect to get news from this place. So why would we put spoilers on any of it?

He probably expects the delivery of news around here to be handled more appropriately.

You are correct. I hold FOFC to a higher standard than CNN. I think people here know the difference between real life and a comic book as far as breaking news goes. :)

[dubb93]

Would have been kind of hard to avoid on ajc.com, with prominently displayed link text in the first screen right frame (i.e. you don't even have to scroll down, it's just sitting there just below Rosie's depression & above Jenna Bush's book.

"Comic Book Hero Captain America Dies'

Now that's a spoiler.

To be fair, before you mentioned it I had no clue what ajc.com was. Not everyone on this board visits the same web sites. And to be truthful, I probably would not have even known about this "news" item had it not been brought up here.

[Passacaglia]

Well, that just proves my point even more. You expect to get news from this place. So why would we put spoilers on any of it?

So that the reader can decide whether or not he or she wants to know the info at this time? FWIW, I'm in the same boat as these guys -- I would have had no idea about this, if not for FOFC. I don't read Captain America or anything, so it's not like I need to be spoiler-free on this matter. But I do tape football games, so I appreciate people who don't want things given away. When I don't want to be spoiled from football games, I stay away from FOFC -- much like someone who doesn't want to be spoiled from Captain America plots would stay away from threads marked Captain America -- SPOILER ALERT. Seems like a pretty simple system.

[Fidatelo]

This isn't a spoiler. Marvel likely pushed that news item out to all the media outlets it could in order to advertise it. It's an "event" issue, it's aimed at getting attention.

[Ksyrup]

We put spoiler alerts on our discussion of sporting events?

[Ksyrup]

This isn't a spoiler. Marvel likely pushed that news item out to all the media outlets it could in order to advertise it. It's an "event" issue, it's aimed at getting attention.

Exactly. And the news organizations were more than happy to oblige.

Except the AP. I understand they're trying out a one-week Captain America news blackout, but they'll tell us more about that next week. :D

[BrianD]

Again, I see this particular issue as in the gray area - it's certainly akin to a movie/show/book spoiler and should normally be handled as such. Just look at the AI thread where I heavily participate and take great pains to avoid giving spoiler info. But the difference is, I'm not equating this particular bit of news to a movie/show/book review/discussion, because it has, in and of itself, become a news item that is out there, in as plain a text as could possible be written, for everyone to see.

And to answer the question above, if it's a news item, I don't expect everyone to know about it - but it's news, meant to be shared. I didn't see anyone post about the Libby Conviction with a SPOILER ALERT in case there were people who wanted to find out about it on their own terms. Likewise, with sporting events, I'm sorry, but they're fair game as well. It's news.

I hate to keep repeating myself, but again - I understand the point about this normally not being a typical news story. But it is. Superman's death was handled the same way. As a news story, it is entitled to be disseminated and discussed without being purposely kept under wraps.

So share the news but put a spoiler tag in the headline. I don't read comics, but if I saw a posting about Captain America, I'll check it out. You don't see that topic everyday around here. Discussion can then be had. You don't need an overly specific title.

The point isn't whether people should be upset to see that kind of headline, the point is whether people will be upset. You know how people are around here about spoilers so assume people will be overly sensitive to them and err on the side of caution.

Does it really surprise you that people have this reaction? You have over 18,000 posts here so I am assuming that you do occasionally read some as well, right?

[wade moore]

We put spoiler alerts on our discussion of sporting events?

No, because there is an expectation there.

[rkmsuf]

I want to hear from the people that read Cap America regularly and were potentially offened by knowing this plot line.

[MikeVic]

I didn't know it was an actual news item. That's dumb. I read New Avengers, but am a couple issues behind... Captain America is still alive in those. So to me, this is a spoiler... I don't go to cnn.com or anywhere like that very often. But if I had seen the spoiler there, I'd be annoyed with the news source too.

[wade moore]

I didn't know it was an actual news item. That's dumb. I read New Avengers, but am a couple issues behind... Captain America is still alive in those. So to me, this is a spoiler... I don't go to cnn.com or anywhere like that very often. But if I had seen the spoiler there, I'd be annoyed with the news source too.

I think that's part of the problem here. I have a problem with CNN doing this too, but they're money grubbing whores so I can't hold them accountable - I can try to make things more responsible around here.

[lordscarlet]

This isn't a spoiler. Marvel likely pushed that news item out to all the media outlets it could in order to advertise it. It's an "event" issue, it's aimed at getting attention from people that do not read the title.

Corrected.

We put spoiler alerts on our discussion of sporting events?

You and I both know that is a totally different situation. :)

[lordscarlet]

I didn't know it was an actual news item. That's dumb. I read New Avengers, but am a couple issues behind... Captain America is still alive in those. So to me, this is a spoiler... I don't go to cnn.com or anywhere like that very often. But if I had seen the spoiler there, I'd be annoyed with the news source too.

Same here.

[Ksyrup]

So share the news but put a spoiler tag in the headline. I don't read comics, but if I saw a posting about Captain America, I'll check it out. You don't see that topic everyday around here. Discussion can then be had. You don't need an overly specific title.

The point isn't whether people should be upset to see that kind of headline, the point is whether people will be upset. You know how people are around here about spoilers so assume people will be overly sensitive to them and err on the side of caution.

Does it really surprise you that people have this reaction? You have over 18,000 posts here so I am assuming that you do occasionally read some as well, right?

Had I come across an unofficial discussion of this and wanted to discuss it here, I almost certainly would have put a spoiler alert in the title. I didn't make the original post, but I saw the article earlier on CNN and wouldn't have thought twice about posting it as a news items, given how it was presented. To me, this particular story - not movie/show/book plotlines in general - is similar to a sports score. I wouldn't think to hide it because it's out there for everyone to find out. This went from spoiler to news when you could simply google the damn character's name and come up with dozens of articles explicitly describing this "news."

[BrianD]

We put spoiler alerts on our discussion of sporting events?

We don't, but we headline them in a way that makes it clear we are talking about them. If we have a "Super Bowl Discussion" thread, it is pretty clear that we are talking about the game in progress.

I personally don't care if we put the word "spoiler" in a thread title, but I'd like to be able to figure out what threads to stay away from if I don't want a spoiler. A thread titled "Survivor Winner" is one I would stay away from until seeing the last show. A thread titled "Holy Crap, Susan Smith Won Survivor!!!" would annoy me just a bit.

[wade moore]

Had I come across an unofficial discussion of this and wanted to discuss it here, I almost certainly would have put a spoiler alert in the title. I didn't make the original post, but I saw the article earlier on CNN and wouldn't have thought twice about posting it as a news items, given how it was presented. To me, this particular story - not movie/show/book plotlines in general - is similar to a sports score. I wouldn't think to hide it because it's out there for everyone to find out. This went from spoiler to news when you could simply google the damn character's name and come up with dozens of articles explicitly describing this "news."

But again - many of us it seems - would not have known about this if not for this thread.

Face it - this is a story/plotline that someone is trying to make into a news story, no reason we have to do it here.

[MikeVic]

Had I come across an unofficial discussion of this and wanted to discuss it here, I almost certainly would have put a spoiler alert in the title. I didn't make the original post, but I saw the article earlier on CNN and wouldn't have thought twice about posting it as a news items, given how it was presented. To me, this particular story - not movie/show/book plotlines in general - is similar to a sports score. I wouldn't think to hide it because it's out there for everyone to find out. This went from spoiler to news when you could simply google the damn character's name and come up with dozens of articles explicitly describing this "news."

What if there's a sporting event that occurs at 3am wherever you live... and you know it'll be shown the next day at noon. Would you want to come to FOFC at 11am to see something like: "WOW! Team A beat Team B 120-119 in the third OT!"

I'd like to think that's why title threads like: "NFL Week 11 Discussion." Not only for a thread to store our collective thoughts, but also to avoid spoiling a fresh occurence for others.

[BrianD]

Had I come across an unofficial discussion of this and wanted to discuss it here, I almost certainly would have put a spoiler alert in the title. I didn't make the original post, but I saw the article earlier on CNN and wouldn't have thought twice about posting it as a news items, given how it was presented. To me, this particular story - not movie/show/book plotlines in general - is similar to a sports score. I wouldn't think to hide it because it's out there for everyone to find out. This went from spoiler to news when you could simply google the damn character's name and come up with dozens of articles explicitly describing this "news."

Now that you've seen the reaction, would you still do the same thing?

If you regularly read Captain America, would you Google him after a new issue came out and before you had read it? This would be the exact action people would avoid to be sure they didn't get spoiled. They probably wouldn't know a spoiler event would be in the news, but why even look in that situation?

[DanGarion]

I'm not a comic book guy, but I know threads like these have lead to angry masses in the past. I would retitle this thread and add in a spoiler warning incase anyone here happens to read this particular comic book series.
You better tell them not to visit Yahoo.com then since it's on their front page....

[Ksyrup]

What if there's a sporting event that occurs at 3am wherever you live... and you know it'll be shown the next day at noon. Would you want to come to FOFC at 11am to see something like: "WOW! Team A beat Team B 120-119 in the third OT!"

I'd like to think that's why title threads like: "NFL Week 11 Discussion." Not only for a thread to store our collective thoughts, but also to avoid spoiling a fresh occurence for others.

I would absolutely expect to see the score posted here, and I wouldn't care if it was in the thread title because I wouldn't watch it if it wasn't live. In fact, I'd probably stop by ESPN.com on my way here to find out the score before reading the discussion of it here.

[rkmsuf]

shouldn't the WTF be eliminated from the title? I mean that strongly suggests something odd with Captain America which in and of itself is a spoiler. Regular readers should be given the chance to leave here with the belief that it's status quo.

[Ksyrup]

Now that you've seen the reaction, would you still do the same thing?

If you regularly read Captain America, would you Google him after a new issue came out and before you had read it? This would be the exact action people would avoid to be sure they didn't get spoiled. They probably wouldn't know a spoiler event would be in the news, but why even look in that situation?

I wouldn't think to do anything other than what I was used to doing, that's my point. A regular reader of Captain America who simply goes to AOL.com or Yahoo or CNN or Google has as much chance of running across this item as someone who purposely googles the topic to try to find out spoiler info. That's why this isn't a spoiler!!!

[Ksyrup]

shouldn't the WTF be eliminated from the title? I mean that strongly suggests something odd with Captain America which in and of itself is a spoiler. Regular readers should be given the chance to leave here with the belief that it's status quo.

I think I made that point earlier in the thread.

I mean, if we had a thread up during the Super Bowl titled, "WTF -Chicago Bears SPOILER ALERT," given their underdog status, I would automatically assume they were doing something unexpected, like winning.

[wade moore]

I wouldn't think to do anything other than what I was used to doing, that's my point. A regular reader of Captain America who simply goes to AOL.com or Yahoo or CNN or Google has as much chance of running across this item as someone who purposely googles the topic to try to find out spoiler info. That's why this isn't a spoiler!!!

But my point - many DON'T go to those pages. Just because AOL.com, Yahoo, or CNN could give a fuck about ruining the story, doesn't mean that we shouldn't.

There is not a reasonable expectation that the ending to Captain America is a public news item (and it shouldn't be). This is no different than the ending to any other book, movie, etc - just because Marvel is trying to drum up press to increase sales doesn't make it a news item. This should be treated the same as any other book/story, regardless of the corporate pimping going on at "news" sites.

[DanGarion]

[SIZE=-1]Captain America, who is the alter ego of Steve Rogers was originally created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby. He received his special powers from taking a dose

Holy shit, i didn't know Captain Amercia was Steve Rogers, WTF, thanks asshat!

[Ksyrup]

But my point - many DON'T go to those pages. Just because AOL.com, Yahoo, or CNN could give a fuck about ruining the story, doesn't mean that we shouldn't.

There is not a reasonable expectation that the ending to Captain America is a public news item (and it shouldn't be). This is no different than the ending to any other book, movie, etc - just because Marvel is trying to drum up press to increase sales doesn't make it a news item. This should be treated the same as any other book/story, regardless of the corporate pimping going on at "news" sites.

I understand that point and agree to an extent, but I think the idea of having to decipher between news items and spoilers becomes very tricky if you try to look at it like that. My easy way to differentiate is whether it is a news item or not. If it's readily available news, then I have no expectation as a member here that I am going to be shielded from the information. I have no problem with people doing just that - I'm not looking to purposely spill the beans about something - but I don't think it should be an expectation when it's something that's being reported everywhere like this, either. And honestly, the original thread title was miles away from being as explicit about this news as the news headlines are.

The bottom line for me is that while it shouldn't be different from exposing a movie/show/book plot, it is different, in this particular circumstance. Now, it's as much a news item as a plane crash.

[wade moore]

I understand that point and agree to an extent, but I think the idea of having to decipher between news items and spoilers becomes very tricky if you try to look at it like that. My easy way to differentiate is whether it is a news item or not. If it's readily available news, then I have no expectation as a member here that I am going to be shielded from the information. I have no problem with people doing just that - I'm not looking to purposely spill the beans about something - but I don't think it should be an expectation when it's something that's being reported everywhere like this, either. And honestly, the original thread title was miles away from being as explicit about this news as the news headlines are.

The bottom line for me is that while it shouldn't be different from exposing a movie/show/book plot, it is different, in this particular circumstance. Now, it's as much a news item as a plane crash.

I respectfully disagree.

Can we agree that there is a segment of this community that feels the way I do so it makes sense to be considerate and not give spoilers away to fictional stories in thread titles?

[rkmsuf]

WTF? FOFCers arguing over whether or not you can say that Captain America is killed


lol

[Subby]

" WTF? FOFCers arguing over whether or not you can say that Captain America is killed."

winnah!

[Qwikshot]

Not to threadjack,

but can you believe that Captain America was killed by a sniper!?!

[Mateo]

I want to hear from the people that read Cap America regularly and were potentially offened by knowing this plot line.

I want to hear about someone who still reads comic books as an adult and admit that they are offended knowing Captain America was rubbed.

WTF? FOFCers arguing over whether or not you can say that Captain America is killed. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1412498#post1412498)

wtf? The new title is AWESOME!

[Ksyrup]

Someone forgot to remove the WTF from the thread title. Completely gives it away.

[wade moore]

I want to hear about someone who still reads comic books as an adult and admit that they are offended knowing Captain America was rubbed.

WTF? FOFCers arguing over whether or not you can say that Captain America is killed. (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=1412498#post1412498)

wtf? The new title is AWESOME!

What an asshole maneuver.

[Subby]

What an asshole maneuver.
I totally agree. Whoever is responsible for that should get BOXED. :mad:

[wade moore]

I totally agree. Whoever is responsible for that should get BOXED. :mad:

Hah.

Joking about it in the thread is one thing, actually changing the title is another.

[Subby]

Hah.

Joking about it in the thread is one thing, actually changing the title is another.
I am totally serious. The person that changed the thread title should get two weeks in the hole.

[MrIllini]

I totally agree. Whoever is responsible for that should get BOXED. :mad:

Seriously...what a prick.

[Ksyrup]

I respectfully disagree.

Can we agree that there is a segment of this community that feels the way I do so it makes sense to be considerate and not give spoilers away to fictional stories in thread titles?


I agree. It's funny, I didn't even post this thread and really, my original thoughts on this were of a more general nature about spoilers, but I still stand by my delineation between news/spoilers and when it is necessary/appropriate to not reveal information in a thread title. But I guess despite my repeated posts in this thread, I'm the anti-spoiler guy who eats babies or something.

Hopefully, this isn't something that happens all that often. But if Monica has triplets next time, I'll be sure to make it a SPOILER ALERT for you and your ilk. How's that?

[wade moore]

I am totally serious. The person that changed the thread title should get two weeks in the hole.

You my friend are an enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in mystery.

[spleen1015]

Who knew SackAttack could cause this much trouble?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I want to hear about someone who still reads comic books as an adult and admit that they are offended knowing Captain America was rubbed.

I admit that I still read comic books as an adult, though I was not offended knowing that Captain America was killed. Then again, if it were a character I followed in a series I still read, yeah, I might be pissed knowing something like that ahead of time.

How's it any different than if, for example, before the first episode of the last season of "24" someone titled a thread "WTF!? President Palmer is killed by a sniper!" Just because it's a comic book instead of a tv show, it's fine?

[lordscarlet]

I want to hear about someone who still reads comic books as an adult and admit that they are offended knowing Captain America was rubbed.


I read comic books as an adult. I'm not offended (I would have read the spoiler thread) because I just can't know what happened, but based on the principle of it. Had this been American Idol, a sporting event, a movie, or a popular novel people would be up in arms. Because Comic Books are largely considered childish people think it doesn't matter.

[Subby]

You my friend are an enigma
Hey now. Let's save the race card for when we really need it!

[wade moore]

I agree. It's funny, I didn't even post this thread and really, my original thoughts on this were of a more general nature about spoilers, but I still stand by my delineation between news/spoilers when it is necessary/appropriate to not reveal information in a thread title. But I guess despite my repeated posts in this thread, I'm the anti-spoiler guy who eats babies or something.

Hopefully, this isn't something that happens all that often. But if Monica has triplets next time, I'll be sure to make it a SPOILER ALERT for you and your ilk. How's that?

Monica?

Anyway. I think it's fair that it is assumed that in running Show discussions there will be spoilers after the episode is aired, that in game discussions there will be spoilers as the game airs, and that in book threads there will be spoilers within if the book has been released.

However, none of them have it in the thread title.

Non-Fictional news events are complete fair game to be in the thread title, it's the sporting events and fictional stories that to me should not be in the title - no matter what news agencies are doing. It's such a simple thing to be more generic to be considerate to those that it means something to.

Again, I don't read comics, but it's a principle thing. I know you are good about spoilers, and I've even commented on it in the past in the AI thread. So, this is a philisophical discussion for me to - but in the end I guess my thought is that it does no harm to anyone to avoid the spoilers in the thread title, but it does harm to some to put the spoiler information in the title.

[DanGarion]

Not to threadjack,

but can you believe that Captain America was killed by a sniper!?!
Are you sure this isn't a spoiler for the new "Shooter" movie?

[Mateo]

This picture reminded me of this thread:

hxxp://static.flickr.com/31/62403830_9827a6f538.jpg (http://static.flickr.com/31/62403830_9827a6f538.jpg)

[wade moore]

Hey now. Let's save the race card for when we really need it!

I'm lost - how many diet cokes today?

[Ksyrup]

How's it any different than if, for example, before the first episode of the last season of "24" someone titled a thread "WTF!? President Palmer is killed by a sniper!" Just because it's a comic book instead of a tv show, it's fine?


Read the rest of the thread. I stand by my opinion that if it was all over the news, it would be an appropriate discussion item. Now, whether that particular title would be necessary - no, of course not. But the original title of this thread wasn't that explicit, either. And I wouldn't fault someone for not even thinking about how they titled a story of that nature, if it was plastered all over the news. I guarantee this will be on at least one of the nightly news broadcasts tonight, if not all of them.

[rkmsuf]

This picture reminded me of this thread:

hxxp://static.flickr.com/31/62403830_9827a6f538.jpg (http://static.flickr.com/31/62403830_9827a6f538.jpg)

that's the worst hxxp job I've ever seen

[wade moore]

Read the rest of the thread. I stand by my opinion that if it was all over the news, it would be an appropriate discussion item. Now, whether that particular title would be necessary - no, of course not. But the original title of this thread wasn't that explicit, either. And I wouldn't fault someone for not even thinking about how they titled a story of that nature, if it was plastered all over the news. I guarantee this will be on at least one of the nightly news broadcasts tonight, if not all of them.

fwiw, if people wouldn't have gotten up in arms about changing the thread title, this would have gone away. If people would just have accepted that it was reasonable to change the thread title, we'd be fine. No one was jumping down Mateo's throat, and it could have ended with me changing the thread title.

But some folks (i guess you and smurf) for whatever reason wanted to argue the validity of changing the thread title - which it seems we all agree changing it doesn't really harm anything. It may be a little overkill to you, but seems very reasonable to quite a few folks it seems.

[MrIllini]

fwiw, if people wouldn't have gotten up in arms about changing the thread title, this would have gone away. If people would just have accepted that it was reasonable to change the thread title, we'd be fine. No one was jumping down Mateo's throat, and it could have ended with me changing the thread title.

But some folks (i guess you and smurf) for whatever reason wanted to argue the validity of changing the thread title - which it seems we all agree changing it doesn't really harm anything. It may be a little overkill to you, but seems very reasonable to quite a few folks it seems.

didn't you just get all pissy about someone (wink, wink) changing the thread title a couple minutes ago?

[Ksyrup]

WE SHOOK THE WORLD!

[rkmsuf]

fwiw, if people wouldn't have gotten up in arms about changing the thread title, this would have gone away. If people would just have accepted that it was reasonable to change the thread title, we'd be fine. No one was jumping down Mateo's throat, and it could have ended with me changing the thread title.

But some folks (i guess you and smurf) for whatever reason wanted to argue the validity of changing the thread title - which it seems we all agree changing it doesn't really harm anything. It may be a little overkill to you, but seems very reasonable to quite a few folks it seems.

hey don't group me in with that hooligan

[Ksyrup]

hey don't group me in with that hooligan

OK...I SHOOK THE WORLD!

[wade moore]

didn't you just get all pissy about someone (wink, wink) changing the thread title a couple minutes ago?

Yes, when they put the spoiler back after this long conversation. Again - triggered by people not just accepting the spoiler being removed.

[Ksyrup]

OK wade, lighten up. Have some sherbet or something.

[rkmsuf]

OK...I SHOOK THE WORLD!

I appoint you head of the pro spoiler union.

[Ksyrup]

I appoint you head of the pro spoiler union.

I find this very ominous since I'm headed to NYC on Friday. This doesn't mean I'm going to end up in a Meadowlands dump, does it?

[Mateo]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/398252096_b817877af0.jpg

[rkmsuf]

I find this very ominous since I'm headed to NYC on Friday. This doesn't mean I'm going to end up in a Meadowlands dump, does it?

If you do I'll do you proud and post a thread spoiling it.

[DeToxRox]

Blade set the bar .. Wades going to get his ladder.

[wade moore]

OK wade, lighten up. Have some sherbet or something.

Aight, aight.. I'll try...

I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if it was announcing an idol elimination or something (maybe a bad example because you read spoilers) that is important to you...

[wade moore]

Blade set the bar .. Wades going to get his ladder.

Wow - you're seriously comparing this to blade's situation? imo, they're not even in the same stratosphere.

[MikeVic]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/398252096_b817877af0.jpg

He's crying! What a sissy.

[wade moore]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/398252096_b817877af0.jpg

Nicely played - and pretty accurate at this point. :D

[spleen1015]

This didn't really happen. It's not on the Wiki.

[DanGarion]

http://www.dangarion.com/sig/captamer425x1004up.jpg

Also I think that in the future all spoilers should be included in the title of the post.

[Ksyrup]

Aight, aight.. I'll try...

I can't help but wonder how you'd feel if it was announcing an idol elimination or something (maybe a bad example because you read spoilers) that is important to you...

If it was plastered all over the news and I honestly didn't know about it, I might be pissed for a second, until I saw that the article the poster linked was from CNN.

[DanGarion]

This didn't really happen. It's not on the Wiki.

Woohoo someone mentioning the WIKI! Someone should add it!

[wade moore]

If it was plastered all over the news and I honestly didn't know about it, I might be pissed for a second, until I saw that the article the poster linked was from CNN.

I think you care more about CNN than I do ;).

[14ers]

Captain America Lives!
http://faroutshirts.com/images/americanWay-pnged.png

[Ksyrup]

I think you care more about CNN than I do ;).

If [fill in news organization here] posts it, it's news. To be honest, this is very much like the "news items" about what Jenna Bush or Paris Hilton does. They aren't really news but become such because they are treated that way by the media.

[lordscarlet]

Woohoo someone mentioning the WIKI! Someone should at it (http://www.rwbl.net/fofcwiki/index.php?title=Captain_America)!

huh?

[wade moore]

If [fill in news organization here] posts it, it's news. To be honest, this is very much like the "news items" about what Jenna Bush or Paris Hilton does. They aren't really news but become such because they are treated that way by the media.

Agreed to disagree ;).

[Ksyrup]

Fine. And next time Britney goes pantiless, I'll make sure sure to alert you that what she exposed is probably beyond the spoil date.

[DanGarion]

This is totally not news! OMGOOSES!

http://www.dangarion.com/files/cap1.jpg

http://www.dangarion.com/files/cap2.jpg

[DanGarion]

huh?

Haha.. it was a typo, nice add.

[Ksyrup]

Can someone PM me with Captain America's secret celebrity alias? Thanks!

[spleen1015]

Why did it take so many years for a sniper to get him?

Was he in full Captain America gear or was he Steve Rodgers when it happened?

[lordscarlet]

Haha.. it was a typo, nice add.

The "huh?" was for the add, not the typo. ;)

[DanGarion]

Why did it take so many years for a sniper to get him?

Was he in full Captain America gear or was he Steve Rodgers when it happened?

Isn't Steve Rodgers the 6 Million Dollar Man?

[spleen1015]

Whoops. Steve Rogers.

[DanGarion]

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

In the Marvel Comics 2006 Civil War crossover, Captain America leads the Anti-Registration faction and resistance movement, becoming a fugitive in the process and pitting himself against the heroes of the Pro-Registration movement, including his former friend Iron Man. He adopts the alias "Brett Hendrick", a mall security guard, to avoid government detection.[36] As the War continues, Rogers becomes more and more extreme in his desire to win, including allowing the Punisher to join his "Secret Avengers," (though he does not condone the man's willingness to kill) and working (albeit reluctantly) with the Kingpin.[37] In the last issue of the core Civil War series, realizing that his fight against the Registration Act is endangering civilians, he removes and drops his mask to surrender as Steve Rogers. He gives the anti-Registration side the order to stand down. As Captain America is led away, the Punisher picks up the discarded mask.

In Captain America #25, Steve Rogers is shot in the shoulder, chest, and stomach by a sniper on his way up the steps to Federal Court. In the ensuing crowd chaos, he is shot three times with a shotgun, and later appears to die of his injuries. It is later revealed that the plan was orchestrated by the Red Skull; the sniper was Crossbones, and Sharon Carter, under a hypnotic suggestion by Dr.Faustus, was the person who had shot Rogers in the stomach. Marvel Entertainment editor in chief Joe Quesada said, however, that a Captain America comeback wasn't impossible.[2] The character's death came as a blow to co-creator Joe Simon, who said 'We really need him now.'" [2]

[Mateo]

Whoops. Duck Dodgers.

[Shkspr]

Isn't Steve Rodgers the 6 Million Dollar Man?


Oh, god, no. Steve Rogers played in a totally different era. I'd be surprised if he grossed more than a million and a half during his 1973-1985 tenure with the Expos.

[Abe Sargent]

THE FUCK WOULD YOU POST THIS LIKE THIS

[Subby]

THE FUCK WOULD YOU POST THIS LIKE THIS
You are my favorite minister.

[Chubby]

There should be a spoiler in this thread's title. It will save countless people from having to read wade's whining.

[Kodos]

Why did it take so many years for a sniper to get him?

Was he in full Captain America gear or was he Steve Rodgers when it happened?

I worked with Steve Rodgers for years. Too be honest, he was a jerk. And I had no idea he was Captain America! :eek:

[DanGarion]

I demand someone change the title to say he appears to have died, there are no confirmed reports of his death!

[Maple Leafs]

I don't say this lightly: This thread may have the highest "people trying very hard to post a witty one-liner and failing" ratio in FOFC history.

[WVUFAN]

Well, I read comics, and this spoiled the comic for me (which I have in my hand).

Normally, I don't go to spoiler sites until after I read the book, and I hadn't checked Yahoo or anything else before I got to work, so this title honestly did spoil the book for me.

It's sorta disapointing, because if this was 24, and Jack Bauer died on an episode, people would be frothing at the mouth if somone spoiled it on the title, but since it's a comic, and "it's on Yahoo and CNN", it's perfectly ok to spoil it.

On the other hand, it won't ruin the book just because I know the ending. I would have still bought it and still read it regardless.

[Ksyrup]

I'd respond to you, WVUFAN, but I'm done being semi-serious.

[Kodos]

At least Captain Chaos lives on. And Captain USA!

[Abe Sargent]

You are my favorite minister.

Thanks! :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

You are my favorite minister.

Waitaminute.

If he's the minister, then what happened to this guy?
http://guardian.curtin.edu.au/cga/art/cleese.jpg

Or did he replace this guy?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/James_Hacker.jpg/200px-James_Hacker.jpg

Either way, that's a pretty big deal. You really ought to post a spoiler warning on stuff like that.:mad:

[Passacaglia]

I know all there is to know about the crying game.

[Izulde]

Seriously this is fucking bullshit.

Have you no respect for understanding that in works of art that involve a fictional story, whether they be television, film, literature, comic books, manga, whatever, much of the enjoyment comes from the mystery and excitement of NOT knowing what happens?

I don't give a fuck if CNN, Yahoo, the Drudge Report, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, ES fucking PN stream that shit 24 fucking 7, you do -not- fucking pull that spoiler bullshit.

It ruins it, it fucking ruins it in a way that you can't have it back. The experience is gone. Even if you try to pretend to yourself, even if you try to forget the spoiler you just read, it's there. The enjoyment and the excitement can no longer reach the level they would've originally had.

To say that "OH! ALL THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS R REPORTIN' IT SO ITZ OK!" does not fucking fly. It's being an asshat to spoiler it like that and it's a fucking cheapshit excuse.

No, I don't read comics and no I don't read Captain America. But it's the god damned principle of the thing.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You realize that when this thread gets deleted people will lose posts?
(or does bringing that up spoil it for anybody)

[Fonzie]

At least Captain Chaos lives on. And Captain USA!

And let us not forget Captain Caveman.

[Subby]

Seriously this is fucking bullshit.

Have you no respect for understanding that in works of art that involve a fictional story, whether they be television, film, literature, comic books, manga, whatever, much of the enjoyment comes from the mystery and excitement of NOT knowing what happens?

I don't give a fuck if CNN, Yahoo, the Drudge Report, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, ES fucking PN stream that shit 24 fucking 7, you do -not- fucking pull that spoiler bullshit.

It ruins it, it fucking ruins it in a way that you can't have it back. The experience is gone. Even if you try to pretend to yourself, even if you try to forget the spoiler you just read, it's there. The enjoyment and the excitement can no longer reach the level they would've originally had.

To say that "OH! ALL THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS R REPORTIN' IT SO ITZ OK!" does not fucking fly. It's being an asshat to spoiler it like that and it's a fucking cheapshit excuse.

No, I don't read comics and no I don't read Captain America. But it's the god damned principle of the thing.

DO U WANT 2 CYBER??

YES ______ NO _______ (Check one only)

[MrIllini]

Seriously this is fucking bullshit.

Have you no respect for understanding that in works of art that involve a fictional story, whether they be television, film, literature, comic books, manga, whatever, much of the enjoyment comes from the mystery and excitement of NOT knowing what happens?

I don't give a fuck if CNN, Yahoo, the Drudge Report, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, ES fucking PN stream that shit 24 fucking 7, you do -not- fucking pull that spoiler bullshit.

It ruins it, it fucking ruins it in a way that you can't have it back. The experience is gone. Even if you try to pretend to yourself, even if you try to forget the spoiler you just read, it's there. The enjoyment and the excitement can no longer reach the level they would've originally had.

To say that "OH! ALL THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS R REPORTIN' IT SO ITZ OK!" does not fucking fly. It's being an asshat to spoiler it like that and it's a fucking cheapshit excuse.

No, I don't read comics and no I don't read Captain America. But it's the god damned principle of the thing.

I'M IN YUR FORUMZ SPOILING YUR COMICZ

[JonInMiddleGA]

Seriously this is fucking bullshit.

Hey, stop it.

Find your own parroty thread.

[st.cronin]

THE FUCK WOULD YOU POST THIS LIKE THIS

omfg, one of the funniest posts EVER

[DanGarion]

I think we have all learned something here today. If a topic is a show or something you like you don't read it. Viola, problem solved.

[digamma]

I was similarly crushed when I found out Kerri Strug's vault score before NBC televised it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Viola, problem solved.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Bratsche.jpg/200px-Bratsche.jpg

[st.cronin]

By the way, where is Emiliano's ftb???????

[KevinNU7]

I think we have all learned something here today. If a topic is a show or something you like you don't read it. Viola, problem solved.
Dude it's in the title

[Izulde]

I think we have all learned something here today. If a topic is a show or something you like you don't read it. Viola, problem solved.

Not when it's right in the fucking title. Christ, can you not fucking read?

[st.cronin]

By the way, I didn't even realize they still made comics.

[MrIllini]

Not when it's right in the fucking title. Christ, can you not fucking read?

prescription run out?

[KevinNU7]

prescription run out?
classy

[Fidatelo]

Not when it's right in the fucking title. Christ, can you not fucking read?

Ya fuck, can't you fucks fucking read? Fuck!

[Honolulu_Blue]

By the way, I didn't even realize they still made comics.

You're missing out.

[Desnudo]

Dammit! I taped a bunch of games and those might be the scores!

Spoiler:



They weren't. Plus get a Tivo.

[MJ4H]

This is quite surreal.

[DeToxRox]

It's sorta disapointing, because if this was 24, and Jack Bauer died on an episode, people would be frothing at the mouth if somone spoiled it on the title, but since it's a comic, and "it's on Yahoo and CNN", it's perfectly ok to spoil it.


Jack Bauer just became the new Captain America.

[Desnudo]

This is quite surreal.

if you replace "surreal" with "dumb" I think you're getting somewhere

[Tigercat]

There seems to be an abnormally high case of tourette's symptoms in this thread.

Because to actually be upset about any of the title(s) of this thread would be ridiculous. Right? Parody and mental illness are the only rational assumptions.

[Ben E Lou]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Bratsche.jpg/200px-Bratsche.jpg

:D

[Honolulu_Blue]

This is quite surreal.

if you replace "surreal" with "dumb" I think you're getting somewhere

Correct.

[Mateo]

Seriously this is fucking bullshit.

Have you no respect for understanding that in works of art that involve a fictional story, whether they be television, film, literature, comic books, manga, whatever, much of the enjoyment comes from the mystery and excitement of NOT knowing what happens?

I don't give a fuck if CNN, Yahoo, the Drudge Report, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, ES fucking PN stream that shit 24 fucking 7, you do -not- fucking pull that spoiler bullshit.

It ruins it, it fucking ruins it in a way that you can't have it back. The experience is gone. Even if you try to pretend to yourself, even if you try to forget the spoiler you just read, it's there. The enjoyment and the excitement can no longer reach the level they would've originally had.

To say that "OH! ALL THE NEWS ORGANIZATIONS R REPORTIN' IT SO ITZ OK!" does not fucking fly. It's being an asshat to spoiler it like that and it's a fucking cheapshit excuse.

No, I don't read comics and no I don't read Captain America. But it's the god damned principle of the thing.


http://www.watchungspringwater.com/images/Decaf%20decanter.jpg

Try the coffee with the orange handle.

[Schmidty]

prescription run out?

What a buttfuck.

[vtbub]

Wow.

[WVUFAN]

Jack Bauer just became the new Captain America.

(puts fingers in ears) LALALALA! I can't hear you!!!

[DanGarion]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Bratsche.jpg/200px-Bratsche.jpg
I don't speak french, I don't care if I speeled it wrong!

[JonInMiddleGA]

I don't speak french, I don't care if I speeled it wrong!

Neither did I really, but I figured since I already got a Ministry of Silly Walks reference into the thread, I might as well get in at least one more visual one-liner. It's not like the thread could get much more absurd.

[DanGarion]

Neither did I really, but I figured since I already got a Ministry of Silly Walks reference into the thread, I might as well get in at least one more visual one-liner. It's not like the thread could get much more absurd.

Yeah exactly. I'm going to go write on the wiki!

[Raiders Army]

No offense to pussies, but some of you are acting like pussies.

[Karlifornia]

I've altered my signature in honor of this thread.

[Abe Sargent]

I want to hear from the people that read Cap America regularly and were potentially offened by knowing this plot line.

That's obviously how I personally found out, and it did take away from my reading experience after work.

[jbmagic]

hxxp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_en_ot/captain_america (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_on_en_ot/captain_america)


I'm not a comic guy, but how fucked up is this? Killing off a super hero who only super power is his patriotism? Long time coming, in my opinion.



http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/030707_captain.jpg (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257398,00.html) Marvel Entertainment

Demise of a Comic Hero (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,257398,00.html)
In latest issue, legendary superhero Captain America gets shot down by sniper in front of courthouse.



They kill Superman once too and brought him back to life later on.

[Bearcat729]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/PCM72/ilovethisthread.jpg

[WVUFAN]

They kill Superman once too and brought him back to life later on.

There isn't a single character in Marvel that has died "a permanent death" that hasn't been brought back -- They brought back Bucky, and a few months ago they brought back Captain Mar-vell.

So, yeah he'll be back. The big rumor is that he isn't dead, but paralyzed, so he'll become the new Iron Man (the suit will allow him to walk), and some new guy will be Captain America.

[st.cronin]

There isn't a single character in Marvel that has died "a permanent death" that hasn't been brought back -- They brought back Bucky, and a few months ago they brought back Captain Mar-vell.

So, yeah he'll be back. The big rumor is that he isn't dead, but paralyzed, so he'll become the new Iron Man (the suit will allow him to walk), and some new guy will be Captain America.

I heard the most likely candidates are Pascual Perez and Andy McAffigan.

[WVUFAN]

I heard the most likely candidates are Pascual Perez and Andy McAffigan.

:D

It'll probably be Bucky, aka Winter Soldier.

[wade moore]

For the record: I don't feel nearly as strongly about this as Izulde ;)... My only goal was to change the thread title and move on, somewhere in the middle KSyrup and I got into a spirited debate that seemed to turn things in a crazy direction.

[Fidatelo]

Captain America has been dead before, all of the non-mutants died at the end of the Onslaught thing IIRC. Then there was the "Heroes Reborn" story-arc that brought them all back. I think they spent about a year-and-a-half in an alternate universe or something.

The funny thing is I have all those comics, as well as the internet, but I'm too lazy to actually fact check any of the above.

[hoosierdude]

:D

It'll probably be Bucky, aka Winter Soldier.

Son works in the business, and the rumors are rampant that Winter Soldier might have offed Steve, and that Punisher picked up the mask in the story, so who knows who will be the new Cap. :)

I have a long post in me about this story, and I am not sure if I should post it...

Being a fan of comics, this can only get either really nasty (read Superman, Batman, Green Lantern deaths and rebirths...angry fans..) or generate more interest in the field, with fans coming back to see what happened, and what direction they take the property. Old Guard will hate it.. new readers might jump on and take to a revamped Winghead.

EBay already has the two variant issues for almost 60 bucks or more.

[Ksyrup]

Izulde, your shtick is getting old and pretty transparent. If you insist on playing the character, at least go back to writing love poems for non-existent women and rating fragrances. Those were more entertaining. This one was...over the top, even for you.

[lordscarlet]

Son works in the business, and the rumors are rampant that Winter Soldier might have offed Steve, and that Punisher picked up the mask in the story, so who knows who will be the new Cap. :)

I have a long post in me about this story, and I am not sure if I should post it...

Being a fan of comics, this can only get either really nasty (read Superman, Batman, Green Lantern deaths and rebirths...angry fans..) or generate more interest in the field, with fans coming back to see what happened, and what direction they take the property. Old Guard will hate it.. new readers might jump on and take to a revamped Winghead.

EBay already has the two variant issues for almost 60 bucks or more.

We should start a Comic Book (with spoilers) discussion thread. :)

I am very excited. I had a brief down moment when I went to my comic shop last night (about a 30-40 min bus ride round trip) and it had moved. Then I looked at the sign and it is now 2 blocks frome me. :D

[Subby]

Izulde, your shtick is getting old and pretty transparent. If you insist on playing the character, at least go back to writing love poems for non-existent women and rating fragrances. Those were more entertaining. This one was...over the top, even for you.
Word to your undermedicated mother.

[MrIllini]

What a buttfuck.

I love you too. Don't be angry because no one will let you pitch.

[Groundhog]

The Captain America movie was pretty bad IMO.

[Fidatelo]

The Captain America movie was pretty bad IMO.

Way to fuckin' spoil that shit for me, fuck! Guess I'm taking that baby back to Blockbuster unwatched.

Fuck!

[DanGarion]

Followup.

<spoiler> Captain American has been buried! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070630/ap_en_ot/captain_america;_ylt=Av8ZrkR56QJ8x8zFukJ.tWrMWM0F </spoiler>

[cuervo72]

Bump.

[DanGarion]

Never forget!

[dubb93]

Possibly even the hour it comes out. A lot of comic shops don't get their books out until Wednesday afternoon.

As for the people claiming it's news -- I would not expect CNN to have a headline about Dumbledore dieing (and I'm sure they did not). So readers of Captain America readers should get punished because CNN thinks that Comic Book fans don't deserve the same respect?

What the fuck!?!?! Now I know Dumbledore dies. Thanks FOFC.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

This thread also spoiled Easy Rider FWIW.

[Passacaglia]

This thread title also spoils the thread itself -- reading along, I totally knew he was going to change the title.