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Easy Mac
03-18-2007, 12:00 PM
With all the commercials for the new Terence Howard/Tom Arnold swimming movie, it got me thinking, what sports haven't they made a movie about that isn't based around race/class?

Baseball: Bad News Bears (more class than race)
Basketball: Glory Road (Race)
Football: Remember the Titans (race)
Hockey: The Mighty Ducks (more class than race)
Swimming: that new Terence Howard movie
Cheerleading: Bring it on (race)
Horse Racing: ? (Seabiscuit?)
Gymnastics: ?
Soccer: ? (Victory?)
Golf: ? (Happy Gilmore?)
Boxing: Rocky (race/class)
Tennis: ?
Curling: ?
Polo: ?
Karate: Karate Kid (class)
Mixed Martial Arts: Bloodsport (race)

If you were a movie producer, what race/class based sports movie would you greenlight next?

Logan
03-18-2007, 12:13 PM
We're calling swimming a sport?

Easy Mac
03-18-2007, 12:15 PM
how about, athletic event

Havok
03-18-2007, 12:20 PM
getting really old, really fast.

thats how i feel about it anyway.

Remember the Titans was a dam good flick, im just getting sick of race based movies in general.

albionmoonlight
03-18-2007, 12:37 PM
Karate Kid.

Marc Vaughan
03-18-2007, 12:38 PM
Soccer - When saturday comes (class), Goal! (race/class), Who's Jimmy Grimble (class)

PS> If you're a soccer fan I'd recommend all three - they're corny but good. For added bias:

When Saturday comes - centers around Sheff Utd
Goal! - centers around Newcastle
Who's Jimmy - centers around Man City

duff88
03-18-2007, 01:05 PM
Hockey - Maurice Richard ("race" or "class")

Antmeister
03-18-2007, 01:20 PM
Soccer:
Shoalin Soccer (class)

Basketball:
Coach Carter (more class than race)
Finding Forrester (more class than race) - You the man now dawg!
Hoosiers (class ?)

Football:
Brian's Song (race)

heybrad
03-18-2007, 01:24 PM
My buddy was a tennis coach at Jordan high school which is predominantly black. He's as cracker as they come, so we've talked for a while of making our own movie titled...

Forty Love!

finkenst
03-18-2007, 01:37 PM
Soccer: Bend it like Beckham: Race/Religion

football: Wildcats: Gender.

Young Drachma
03-18-2007, 01:52 PM
With all the commercials for the new Terence Howard/Tom Arnold swimming movie, it got me thinking, what sports haven't they made a movie about that isn't based around race/class?

Baseball: Bad News Bears (more class than race)
Basketball: Glory Road (Race)
Football: Remember the Titans (race)
Hockey: The Mighty Ducks (more class than race)
Swimming: that new Terence Howard movie
Cheerleading: Bring it on (race)
Horse Racing: ? (Seabiscuit?)
Gymnastics: ?
Soccer: ? (Victory?)
Golf: ? (Happy Gilmore?)
Boxing: Rocky (race/class)
Tennis: ?
Curling: ?
Polo: ?
Karate: Karate Kid (class)
Mixed Martial Arts: Bloodsport (race)

If you were a movie producer, what race/class based sports movie would you greenlight next?

I'm half tempted to write a screenplay based on my high school tennis coach and team. It'd be a lot better than Remember The Titans in the pool..

sabotai
03-18-2007, 03:33 PM
How could you forget Cool Runnings!?

14ers
03-18-2007, 03:46 PM
Horse Racing: ? (Seabiscuit?)

Why the "?" ? I am sure this movie was all about Class. From the owner, to the jockey this movie was all about people from the wrong side of the track trying to compete against the upper class.



Mixed Martial Arts: Bloodsport (race)
I would also question this one. The only race problem Frank Dux had in the movie is when he showed up at the tournament and tried to represent the Tanaka clan. Other than that the show didn't seem to have any bias towards anyone's race.


BTW Do not try to look this tournament or Frank Dux up on the internet, you will not like what you find.

shefffred
03-18-2007, 04:42 PM
Rugby League: This Sporting Life (class)

shefffred
03-18-2007, 05:02 PM
Boxing: The Great White Hope (race)

kamacdon
03-18-2007, 05:04 PM
Cycling: Breaking Away (town vs. gown)

Vinatieri for Prez
03-18-2007, 08:01 PM
Soccer - When saturday comes (class), Goal! (race/class), Who's Jimmy Grimble (class)

PS> If you're a soccer fan I'd recommend all three - they're corny but good. For added bias:

When Saturday comes - centers around Sheff Utd
Goal! - centers around Newcastle
Who's Jimmy - centers around Man City

This is totally incorrect. No Sheff Utd, Newcastle, or ManCity players or supporters have any class!:)

cuervo72
03-18-2007, 08:06 PM
How is Gymkata classified?

JonInMiddleGA
03-18-2007, 08:24 PM
How is Gymkata classified?

As one of the worst movies ever conceived, sports or otherwise ;)

shefffred
03-19-2007, 04:36 AM
Baseball: Eight Men Out (class)
Basketball: Hoop Dreams (race/class)
Boxing: Cinderella Man (class???)
Golf: Caddyshack (class)

Icy
03-19-2007, 05:31 AM
Soccer - When saturday comes (class), Goal! (race/class), Who's Jimmy Grimble (class)

PS> If you're a soccer fan I'd recommend all three - they're corny but good. For added bias:

When Saturday comes - centers around Sheff Utd
Goal! - centers around Newcastle
Who's Jimmy - centers around Man City

I saw Goal! 2 announced yesterday, this time the player moves from Newcaste to R.Madrid. There he starts to play with fame, women, parties etc. The nice thing is that it was recorded in the real R.Madrid stadium and sports facilities, and the team mates are the real football players, Beckam, R.Carlos, Raul etc. Should be fun to watch.

Icy
03-19-2007, 05:35 AM
Dola, more on on the thread subject, I love all the sports movies, but I agree that they are getting old, it's always the same, from the bottom to the top with a happy ending.

Something i really hate are the comebacks to end winning in the last second. For example in the serie Friday night lights, i love the TV show but why do they need to win always in the last second while showing the scoreboard clock counting down?? One time is already tiresome, but on every game? come on.

JeeberD
03-19-2007, 06:25 AM
After Glory Road, I just find it difficult to enjoy movies that are "based on true events." While I was ecstatic that Texas Western finally got their story told in a format that enabled the entire country to learn about them, some of the BS they injected into the film really turned me off. Now whenever I see a preview for a movie that's based on true events, I roll my eyes and wonder how much of it is really true...

shefffred
03-19-2007, 06:27 AM
Dola, more on on the thread subject, I love all the sports movies, but I agree that they are getting old, it's always the same, from the bottom to the top with a happy ending.

Something i really hate are the comebacks to end winning in the last second. For example in the serie Friday night lights, i love the TV show but why do they need to win always in the last second while showing the scoreboard clock counting down?? One time is already tiresome, but on every game? come on.

Sports movies without a happy ending....

Bang the Drum slowly
Brian's Song
Bad News Bears (redemption, but they lost)
This Sporting Life


Any others? Not many, I'd venture...

stevew
03-19-2007, 07:48 AM
Basketball-

FastBreak(class/Race/gender)--Gabe Kaplan's having a ball! - His dream team's got a preacher, a jailbird, a pool shark, a muscleman. And the best guy on the team is a girl

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079136/

ISiddiqui
03-19-2007, 09:50 AM
Sports movies without a happy ending....

Bang the Drum slowly
Brian's Song
Bad News Bears (redemption, but they lost)
This Sporting Life


Any others? Not many, I'd venture...

Well, if you will name the Bad News Bears because they lost in the end, then "Rocky" definately qualifies and "Friday Night Lights" as well.

sooner333
03-19-2007, 01:20 PM
I guess you could call Ladybugs gender for soccer.

What was that baseball movie with Keanu Reeves pretty recently. I believe that was race/class as well.

Qwikshot
03-19-2007, 01:25 PM
Bagger Vance (both)? - Never saw it, but I think it's got both in it. Golf

Leonidas
03-19-2007, 01:35 PM
How is Gymkata classified?If you want to stretch gayness into race/class, then this is your gymnastics flick.

Vinatieri for Prez
03-19-2007, 06:15 PM
Well, if you will name the Bad News Bears because they lost in the end, then "Rocky" definately qualifies and "Friday Night Lights" as well.

YEah, you could also add Any Given Sunday to that kind of list too. Also, Tin Cup. There are a lot close but no cigar sports movies.

Easy Mac
03-19-2007, 07:43 PM
I saw Goal! 2 announced yesterday, this time the player moves from Newcaste to R.Madrid. There he starts to play with fame, women, parties etc. The nice thing is that it was recorded in the real R.Madrid stadium and sports facilities, and the team mates are the real football players, Beckam, R.Carlos, Raul etc. Should be fun to watch.

The movie was ass, more ass than #1

Easy Mac
03-19-2007, 07:45 PM
I guess you could call Ladybugs gender for soccer.

What was that baseball movie with Keanu Reeves pretty recently. I believe that was race/class as well.

Hardball

cuervo72
03-19-2007, 08:19 PM
Field of Dreams? Bull Durham?

shefffred
03-19-2007, 08:42 PM
Field of Dreams? Bull Durham?

Both happy endings:

Costner gets his Dad at the end of the first, gets Susan Sarandon at the end of the second.

When i saw Field of dreams, I cried. When I saw the end of Bull Durham, I thought, "Lucky b*stard."

shefffred
03-19-2007, 08:54 PM
YEah, you could also add Any Given Sunday to that kind of list too. Also, Tin Cup. There are a lot close but no cigar sports movies.

At the end of the story that the film The Natural is based on, the hero strikes out , loses his family , and becomes a national disgrace. Needless to say, the story was a satire of American sports hype and legend.

The film was just a melodrama. Shame, that.

adubroff
03-19-2007, 09:12 PM
Million Dollar Baby is not a particularly happy ending.

Grammaticus
03-19-2007, 10:21 PM
Raging Bull - Probably the best sports movie ever. Maybe you could make a case for it being a "class" based movie. But really all boxing is lower class, so it really is not a class struggle thing.

Slap Shot - Greatest sports comedy.

ISiddiqui
03-19-2007, 10:36 PM
On the original topic, I was thinking "The Replacements" was a class based football movie. The striking football pros being rich, snotty types and the scrubs being ordinary joes (Go Falco!! Yeah, the movie was cheesy and all, but I still love it ;)).

Super Ugly
03-20-2007, 07:37 AM
Sports movies without a happy ending....

Bang the Drum slowly
Brian's Song
Bad News Bears (redemption, but they lost)
This Sporting Life


Any others? Not many, I'd venture...

How about North Dallas Forty? Not exactly a happy ending.

cthomer5000
03-20-2007, 08:49 AM
Shane "Footsteps" Falco

DeToxRox
03-20-2007, 01:34 PM
Mystery, Alaska didn't have a "happy ending" I guess.

Franklinnoble
03-20-2007, 02:08 PM
So, to summarize: It's OK to make a movie where the bad guy is either white or rich (preferably both), but underprivileged minorities can't be cast as evil, because even if they're antagonistic, they're just victims of circumstance.

Bonus points are awarded if your movie portrays America, Christianity, and capitalism in a negative light as well, because at this point, the only thing it's OK to hate is everything this country was founded upon.

shefffred
03-20-2007, 02:45 PM
So, to summarize: It's OK to make a movie where the bad guy is either white or rich (preferably both), but underprivileged minorities can't be cast as evil, because even if they're antagonistic, they're just victims of circumstance.



And how many instances in sports of oppressed rich white guys, held down by the yoke of evil underprivileged minorities, are there?

shefffred
03-20-2007, 02:55 PM
Bonus points are awarded if your movie portrays America, Christianity, and capitalism in a negative light as well, because at this point, the only thing it's OK to hate is everything this country was founded upon.

America was founded as a Christian country?

My US constitution includes this in its first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Does yours?

Franklinnoble
03-20-2007, 03:21 PM
And how many instances in sports of oppressed rich white guys, held down by the yoke of evil underprivileged minorities, are there?


You're missing the point. There are plenty of instances of ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness, but nobody cares for that sort of "hero."

America was founded as a Christian country?

My US constitution includes this in its first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Does yours?

I love the revisionist argument that attempts to make America an atheist nation.

Who founded America, and why did they come here in the first place? It's not like the Pilgrims came over on the Mayflower because they wanted to practice Godless Darwinism without fear of persecution.

Atocep
03-20-2007, 03:42 PM
America was founded as a Christian country?

My US constitution includes this in its first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

Does yours?

If you don't think the US was founded on Christianity, I suggest you check the writing on the coins in your pocket along with what our laws are originally based on.


A lot of this is tied to America's love for the Underdog. Jeeber mentioned Glory Road and thats a great example. Hollywood took what was already a great story and turned it into some Remember the Titans underdog knockoff because thats what the masses enjoy and its what they expect to see in sports movies.

Honolulu_Blue
03-20-2007, 03:44 PM
You're missing the point. There are plenty of instances of ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness, but nobody cares for that sort of "hero."

Invincible?
Karate Kid?
Bad News Bears?
Hoosiers?
Rocky?
Happy Gilmore?
Breaking Away?

Sports movies are chalk full of stories of "ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness." I guess it depends slightly on your definition of "middle class".

Woe be to rich, white Christian men in America. The oppression they suffer day-in, day-out must be simply unbearable. What am I talking about? I was a relatively white Christian male in America before many years, I know first-hand just how difficult a road that is...

Do you think there will ever be a rich, white Christian president? Any successful rich, white Christian athletes in America? Businessmen? Oh dare to dream!!

Vinatieri for Prez
03-20-2007, 03:58 PM
So, to summarize: It's OK to make a movie where the bad guy is either white or rich (preferably both), but underprivileged minorities can't be cast as evil, because even if they're antagonistic, they're just victims of circumstance.

Bonus points are awarded if your movie portrays America, Christianity, and capitalism in a negative light as well, because at this point, the only thing it's OK to hate is everything this country was founded upon.

Um, you're in the wrong thread. You must be looking for the one that discusses the "War on Christmas."

Subby
03-20-2007, 04:03 PM
Invincible?
Karate Kid?
Bad News Bears?
Hoosiers?
Rocky?
Happy Gilmore?
Breaking Away?

Sports movies are chalk full of stories of "ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness." I guess it depends slightly on your definition of "middle class".

Woe be to rich, white Christian men in America. The oppression they suffer day-in, day-out must be simply unbearable. What am I talking about? I was a relatively white Christian male in America before many years, I know first-hand just how difficult a road that is...

Do you think there will ever be a rich, white Christian president? Any successful rich, white Christian athletes in America? Businessmen? Oh dare to dream!!
Please stop feeding his persecuted white christian male minority complex.

shefffred
03-20-2007, 04:07 PM
You're missing the point. There are plenty of instances of ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness, but nobody cares for that sort of "hero."




Who would pay to see a film about someone who achieves "greatness" without struggle against external factors? A story about a guy who wins who just trains hard and wins, while noble, is boring.




I love the revisionist argument that attempts to make America an atheist nation.



Maybe you do, but I did not say that. The USSR was an officially atheist nation, we are a secular nation.



Who founded America, and why did they come here in the first place? It's not like the Pilgrims came over on the Mayflower because they wanted to practice Godless Darwinism without fear of persecution.

The Pilgrims came here because they were being persecuted in a state which had an established, state Christian religion. You know, like the one a certain type of Christian would like to establish here.

This country was established by people who were Protestant (Anglicans, Methodists, Unitarians, Quakers, non-conformists) Catholic, Jewish, Deist, Free-mason, non-believers. It was established as secular because these folks remembered the persecution they and their ancestors faced in their countries of origin. Hence the first amendment.

What do you think the First Amendment means, anyway?

Crapshoot
03-20-2007, 04:08 PM
You're missing the point. There are plenty of instances of ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness, but nobody cares for that sort of "hero."
.

Yeah, damn that Rocky, Brian's Song, Invincible, Prefontaine, Hoosiers, Rudy, Pride of the Yankees, Cinderella Man, Raging Bull, Chariots of Fire and what not. Clearly liberal propaganda!

Please Franklin, tell us more about your oppressed lifestyle - damn those brown/black/gay/female people who come by your house every day to oppress you.

Crapshoot
03-20-2007, 04:09 PM
Invincible?
Karate Kid?
Bad News Bears?
Hoosiers?
Rocky?
Happy Gilmore?
Breaking Away?

Sports movies are chalk full of stories of "ordinary middle-class white guys achieving athletic greatness." I guess it depends slightly on your definition of "middle class".

Woe be to rich, white Christian men in America. The oppression they suffer day-in, day-out must be simply unbearable. What am I talking about? I was a relatively white Christian male in America before many years, I know first-hand just how difficult a road that is...

Do you think there will ever be a rich, white Christian president? Any successful rich, white Christian athletes in America? Businessmen? Oh dare to dream!!

Crap - my parody post has already been done. :D

damnMikeBrown
03-20-2007, 04:21 PM
There's a new swimming movie coming out that I think was mentioned earlier in the thread. The tag line in one of the commercials is "I know how you white people hate to loose". The movie looks to be black swimmers achieving in a traditionaly white sport. I have to say, it offends me.

Maybe Hoosier's tag should have been something like "I know how you black basketball players like to create unwed mothers" as they face off against the mostly black "big school" team in the finals. It's just not necessary and more to the point, stupid.

Karlifornia
03-20-2007, 05:35 PM
There's a new swimming movie coming out that I think was mentioned earlier in the thread. The tag line in one of the commercials is "I know how you white people hate to loose". The movie looks to be black swimmers achieving in a traditionaly white sport. I have to say, it offends me.

Maybe Hoosier's tag should have been something like "I know how you black basketball players like to create unwed mothers" as they face off against the mostly black "big school" team in the finals. It's just not necessary and more to the point, stupid.

Yeah..saying "I know how you white people hate to lose" is right on the same level as "I know how you black basketball players like to create unwed mothers."

Yep...I hardly see any difference there. White people not liking to lose is probably one of the most hurtful, prevalent stereotypes through the history of man.

ISiddiqui
03-20-2007, 05:41 PM
Yeah..saying "I know how you white people hate to lose" is right on the same level as "I know how you black basketball players like to create unwed mothers."

Yep...I hardly see any difference there. White people not liking to lose is probably one of the most hurtful, prevalent stereotypes through the history of man.

LOL!

st.cronin
03-20-2007, 05:46 PM
Sports movies without a happy ending....

Bang the Drum slowly
Brian's Song
Bad News Bears (redemption, but they lost)
This Sporting Life


Any others? Not many, I'd venture...

Tin Cup

greatest ending to any movie ever

Buccaneer
03-20-2007, 05:58 PM
Who founded America, and why did they come here in the first place? It's not like the Pilgrims came over on the Mayflower because they wanted to practice Godless Darwinism without fear of persecution.

I do, however, wonder why Roger Williams and my ancestor, Dr. John Clarke, were banished from the Pilgrims and Puritan colonies and founded Rhode Island? I would suggest you actually read some history instead of getting it from sound-bite websites, thus making you sound even more ignorant.

Sorry to threadjack.

damnMikeBrown
03-20-2007, 06:04 PM
Yeah..saying "I know how you white people hate to lose" is right on the same level as "I know how you black basketball players like to create unwed mothers."

Yep...I hardly see any difference there. White people not liking to lose is probably one of the most hurtful, prevalent stereotypes through the history of man.

You got my point but didn't get it. It's stupid. My quip was absolutely not on par with the film's add, but it was just stupid. Racist, stupid, and not really on point with anything...just like the film's add. Just like one of the reasons they are supplying to watch this film.

Franklinnoble
03-20-2007, 06:12 PM
The Pilgrims came here because they were being persecuted in a state which had an established, state Christian religion. You know, like the one a certain type of Christian would like to establish here.

This country was established by people who were Protestant (Anglicans, Methodists, Unitarians, Quakers, non-conformists) Catholic, Jewish, Deist, Free-mason, non-believers. It was established as secular because these folks remembered the persecution they and their ancestors faced in their countries of origin. Hence the first amendment.

What do you think the First Amendment means, anyway?

Who, exactly, wants to establish a state religion here? I didn't realize anyone had submitted a bill before Congress for the establishment of the Church of the United States of America.

I'm not sure what context you took my original comment in, but it appears you've gone off on this constitutional tangent... all I said was that this country was founded by Christians. You seem to take some issue with that historical fact.

Buccaneer
03-20-2007, 06:15 PM
Be careful. You're going to get lumped in with me as a so-called Christian who is afraid to share his faith, if you're not careful.

I understand, Ben. I keep forgetting it's all about saying the magic words and believing in the institutions and cults of men. It is no wonder that since my Pilgrim forebears so lacked the understanding of grace, that those resting their faith on them would display the same lack of understanding as well!

stevew
03-20-2007, 06:18 PM
what the fuck happened to this thread?

Karlifornia
03-20-2007, 06:19 PM
Who, exactly, wants to establish a state religion here?

Go rent Jesus Camp.



I'm not sure what context you took my original comment in, but it appears you've gone off on this constitutional tangent... all I said was that this country was founded by Christians. You seem to take some issue with that historical fact.

Maybe you're in fact corrrect. What does the country being founded by Christians have to do with anything that's going on today? The country's founders are dead and gone.Times change.

Buccaneer
03-20-2007, 06:19 PM
what the fuck happened to this thread?

Sorry.

stevew
03-20-2007, 06:19 PM
I know how you asian people like to be good at math.

Karlifornia
03-20-2007, 06:20 PM
I know how you asian people like to be good at math.

lmao

stevew
03-20-2007, 06:21 PM
I know how you british people hate to brush your teeth.

digamma
03-20-2007, 06:21 PM
all I said was that this country was founded by Christians.

Let's go to the video tape...

Bonus points are awarded if your movie portrays America, Christianity, and capitalism in a negative light as well, because at this point, the only thing it's OK to hate is everything this country was founded upon.

What better founded by or founded upon?

Franklinnoble
03-20-2007, 06:22 PM
I do, however, wonder why Roger Williams and my ancestor, Dr. John Clarke, were banished from the Pilgrims and Puritan colonies and founded Rhode Island? I would suggest you actually read some history instead of getting it from sound-bite websites, thus making you sound even more ignorant.

Sorry to threadjack.

Now you're just splitting hairs for the sake of your usual smug dickery. I like the gratuitous mention of your "ancestor"... that's a nice touch.

While Roger Williams disagreed with the theocratic tendencies of the Puritans in Salem, the fact remains they were all Christians - which was my whole point from the beginning.

Franklinnoble
03-20-2007, 06:26 PM
I understand, Ben. I keep forgetting it's all about saying the magic words and believing in the institutions and cults of men. It is no wonder that since my Pilgrim forebears so lacked the understanding of grace, that those resting their faith on them would display the same lack of understanding as well!


Wow... you really have me lumped with the wrong crowd.

I put no stock in cults or institutions. I get my doctrine directly from the Bible, and noplace else. In fact, I agree more with the opinions of your boys Williams and Clarke than the Puritans in regards to state administered morality. I mentioned the Puritans for the sake of reinforcing the historical fact that the nation was founded by Christians and you're jumping all over me for uttering the word "Puritan."

miami_fan
03-20-2007, 06:31 PM
And I really thought this thread would not take the same turn as all the other threads that have "class" or "race" in it do.

What a dumbass I am

Buccaneer
03-20-2007, 06:49 PM
Bonus points are awarded if your movie portrays America, Christianity, and capitalism in a negative light as well, because at this point, the only thing it's OK to hate is everything this country was founded upon.

Continuing in the smug dickery role, "everything this country was founded upon" doesn't even come close to your views, unless you pick and choose very selective elements and ignore the rest.

Who founded America, and why did they come here in the first place? It's not like the Pilgrims came over on the Mayflower because they wanted to practice Godless Darwinism without fear of persecution.

They were opportunists, just like most everyone else that picked up and moved somewhere else. They were much more concerned with meeting their obligations to the Merchant Adventurers (which made up half of the surviving Mayflower folks along with the Strangers). They were culturally religious, much like everyone else was in Europe at the time, but were spurred to go somewhere else by their charismatic leader, John Robinson, because he feared that the congregation would become, ironically, too worldly in the capitalistic environment of Holland.

To get back to the point the thread, one can view "oppression" in many different ways. History has never been so homogeneous as to find a simple example to base a belief upon. That we can make movies portraying underdogs, regardless of who they were or why they were underdogs, and have it be relevant to many of us is one of the basis for humanity.

Buccaneer
03-20-2007, 06:54 PM
I put no stock in cults or institutions. I get my doctrine directly from the Bible, and noplace else. In fact, I agree more with the opinions of your boys Williams and Clarke than the Puritans in regards to state administered morality. I mentioned the Puritans for the sake of reinforcing the historical fact that the nation was founded by Christians and you're jumping all over me for uttering the word "Puritan."

You obviously put a lot of stock in doctrine of capitalism which is antithesis to how the disciples and the early church governed themselves.

I'll shut up now, I just felt like debating with FB again. I do admit, however, that sometimes I confuse him with Bubba Wheels. Anyone else do the same thing?

Franklinnoble
03-20-2007, 07:04 PM
You obviously put a lot of stock in doctrine of capitalism which is antithesis to how the disciples and the early church governed themselves.



As opposed to what? Is there another practical economic "doctrine" that would be more palatable?

Atocep
03-20-2007, 07:27 PM
In an attempt to save this thread, here's an example of why movies that are based on a true story get twisted around and each end up being the same movie with the only real difference being the sport they portray.


hxxp://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=keown/070320&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos2

I know, its ESPN so we already know its crap. But if there aren't upsets and if there isn't an underdog to cheer for, no one cares.

ISiddiqui
03-20-2007, 09:54 PM
As opposed to what? Is there another practical economic "doctrine" that would be more palatable?

Jesus was a socialist. After all, a rich man could get to heaven as easily as a camel could get through the eye of a needle.

Franklinnoble
03-21-2007, 12:58 AM
Jesus was a socialist. After all, a rich man could get to heaven as easily as a camel could get through the eye of a needle.

Jesus was a homeless person. He relied upon the charity of others, and encouraged his disciples to do the same. I'm not sure there's a name for that sort of economic model, but I'm pretty sure even Socialists have paying jobs.

So, let me repeat... name a practical economic model that would be more palatable.

PSUColonel
03-21-2007, 12:08 PM
well, it appears to me that many of the second tier sports movies may take on these themes.

Let's take a look at some of the best sports movies ever made:

Miracle

The Natural

Hoosiers

Friday Night Lights

The Greatest Game Ever Played

Seabiscuit

Raging Bull

The only one really really good movie I can think of that deals with both themes is "He Got Game"

Dr. Sak
03-21-2007, 12:25 PM
Actually if you read the book Friday Night Lights it deals with both race and class. It tells about how the School actually extended it's lines into the one "black" district to get those players. It ended up being a predominately white school with their "token" blacks for the football team.

Their rival school protested that for years saying those people should no be going to Permian rather they should go to Odessa.