Web Browsers Piss Me Off

[MJ4H]

Why is there so something so *)(@#*$@ annoying about every web browser out there? If I could get one that just works (!!) without pissing me off every 5 minutes, I would probably sleep better every night.

IE: ugh. Ads everywhere, can't import bookmarks from firefox, slow.

Firefox: can't scroll smoothly with the keyboard!!! for some stupid reason a few versions back, firefox started making it where there is a useless cursor on the page somewhere and the arrow key manipulates that instead of just scrolling. Same for the space bar, which used to just work like page down. And using page up and page down is a pain in the ass and also requires that you click on the page first to make sure the page has focus and the stupid cursor is there.

Opera: cpu usage never dips below 50%. EVER!!! I've tried everything to fix it, and nothing. Also, the behavior of tabs is backwards from what I want (when you close a tab it goes to the previous tab, not the next one) with no apparent way to change this behavior.

K-Meleon: can't get most plugins to work.

Sigh. Can anyone fix the problems I have in firefox or opera? I'm seriously getting frustrated.

[st.cronin]

That's not how my firefox works.

[MJ4H]

Why does mine work that way? It's got to be a setting. When I use the arrow keys to try to scroll, I wind up moving a cursor around the screen instead of scrolling. What the hell is a cursor doing amongst text I can't edit??

[adubroff]

Why does mine work that way? It's got to be a setting. When I use the arrow keys to try to scroll, I wind up moving a cursor around the screen instead of scrolling. What the hell is a cursor doing amongst text I can't edit??


You might have hit F7 at some point I guess...



Firefox has a feature called caret browsing, which can be enabled / disabled by clicking F7 or ticking the checkbox under Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> General and "Allow text to be selected with the keyboard" (or "Always use the cursor keys to navigate within pages" for Firefox 2). This is somewhat misleading as text can be selected with the keyboard even without caret browsing. The main difference is that the keyboard navigation keys (e.g. the cursor keys, PgUp, etc.) will affect the caret rather than the page location.

[MJ4H]

THANK YOU LORD.

My heavens how that pissed me off. I owe you cash. Seriously.

[Ksyrup]

If I had known the new IE had tabs and changed the bookmarks from drop-down to a menu that takes up a quarter of the screen, I wouldn't have upgraded. Tabs suck. I'm far quicker with multiple browsers and alt-tab. I had it down to a science, now it's useless, or even worse, I still try to use alt-tab because I'm so used to it and it slows me down even more.

[MJ4H]

ctrl-tab should work for switching tabs.

Now, if anyone can solve my problem with Opera and CPU usage I could actually have options.

[MJ4H]

Oh nice I was just showing my wife how F7 has screwed up at least a year of browsing for me, and when I hit F7, I got a WARNING about caret browsing. Oh how I wish I'd have seen a warning earlier.

[Ksyrup]

How do Firefox and Opera handle favorites? This is actually my biggest gripe, becaue instead of one click and hovering over sub-folders to quickly get to the links I want, I know have to click 5-6 times justto get to a link. Plus, the damn thing remembers what I already opened, making it difficult to access links further down the list.

Do those other browsers do the same thing, or are they drop-down? This is killing me.

[MJ4H]

Sub-folders open on hover in firefox. I'm not certain that's what you are asking but I think so.

[Ksyrup]

Probably. With IE7, they replaced the drop-down menu with a click menu, so when youclick on favorites, a quarter-page menu comes up with your favorites folders displayed, and you have to click through each one to get to the link you want. then let's say you want to browse to another link later, when you click on favorites again (after clicking it off so you can see the damn screen underneath), it's open to where you last clicked to, so if you need to go somewhere else, you have to scroll down or close the folders you opened previously. It's an awful system. I just want the basic drop-down menu that you hover over, and that goes back to default so that when you come back to it, you start at the same point every time.

[MJ4H]

If you hit "alt" in IE7, the menu bar comes up with the old Favorites menu the way you like it. I'm sure there's a way to arrange this so it doesn't take up extra space and is on the screen at all times. If you need help, I'll be glad to try.

[AZSpeechCoach]

There is an option to kep the menu bar up. Under tools, select menu bar. Favorites works like you are used to. That's what I did.

[Ksyrup]

I do remember finding that when I first installed this, then I got ticked when I realized that I couldn't consolidate all 3 menu bars to two (at least when I tried). Of course, if things hold to form, you'll tell me that it's possble. :D

[AZSpeechCoach]

I'm not that good :D

[Ksyrup]

I should probably just go back to IE6. I thought this would be a step forward. Foolish me.

[MJ4H]

Huh. I tried even disabling tabbed browsing altogether and I still can't see a way to consolidate the 3 bars to at least 2. I'm with you, I'd much rather have fewer bars. Yeah, kind of sucks, though you can at least auto-hide the menu bar and get it back with just a quick alt if you want. I assume then that firefox/opera aren't doing what you want either?

[Ksyrup]

I tried those a couple of times over the past few years and found that they wre really slow, for some reason. Maybe I will gve them a try again. But they were noticeably slower and I ended up going back to IE because of it. I never really got into them much past the speed issue because that was such a basic problem.

[MJ4H]

OK. Opposite problem for me. IE is too slow for me. Firefox is so much more tolerable for me now that I got this problem cleared up. Im sure Ill be back with something else to bitch about in a few hours.

[st.cronin]

Im sure Ill be back with something else to bitch about in a few hours.

Can't wait!

[Ksyrup]

I figured out how to disable tabbed browsing, but there's still no way that I can see to move items from the bottom toolbar to the menu toolbar so that I can consolidate those two toolbars into one. So I have two toolbars open that both have about 2/3 of their space empty. Ridiculous.

[MJ4H]

Agreed. Get Firefox :D

[RendeR]

I'm stunned that people are seeing a slow down with firefox at all. Every version of Firefox I've used has improved page loading and brwosing speeds in general.

IE, especially the newest update, is the single slowest buggiest web browser I've ever encountered. Always has been. Micro-blow spends more time and effort trying to make it integrate with all their other useless software that they forget to make a viable browser first.

Don't even get me started on the ignorant gits who can't program a business website for cross-browser use. Talk about worthless....

[wade moore]

I figured out how to disable tabbed browsing, but there's still no way that I can see to move items from the bottom toolbar to the menu toolbar so that I can consolidate those two toolbars into one. So I have two toolbars open that both have about 2/3 of their space empty. Ridiculous.

Tabbed browsing r0x0rs.

[Oilers9911]

OK. Opposite problem for me. IE is too slow for me. Firefox is so much more tolerable for me now that I got this problem cleared up. Im sure Ill be back with something else to bitch about in a few hours.

Maybe you should try Lynx.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lynx-wikipedia.png

:D

[Rizon]

Tabbed browsing r0x0rs.

I have to agree. Tab browsing is the bomb. At first I hated it, and couldn't get use to it. I was all about the alt-tabbing. Now I cannot live without it and find I'm twice as fast ctrl-tabbing than alt-tabbing.

[Yellow5]

I use Maxthon as my IE replacement and it runs fast, with low mem use.

Firefox is fast but there are times where it will consume a ton of ram and then it starts to slow down a bit.

[MJ4H]

Maybe you should try Lynx.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lynx-wikipedia.png

:D

I actually quite like Lynx.

[DanGarion]

My god what a bunch of whiners. How can you NOT like tabbed browsing?

Also, yes you can move the menu items around. It just takes some thinking out of the box. Look this graphic.

http://www.dangarion.com/files/firefox.gif

Now take your cursor up to the area I have circled and you will get a hand icon not you can click there and drag the items to the toolbar above it.

[Schmidty]

Firefox is a pile of stinky crap. If it were a person, I would wish for it's painful death.

[cthomer5000]

Tabbed browsing r0x0rs.

It's so good I would have no real problem placing those who dislike it on my list of sworn enemies.

[Schmidty]

It's so good I would have no real problem placing those who dislike it on my list of sworn enemies.

I like tab browsing now, but I still hate Firefox.

IE and the evil corporation for life!!!!!!

[MJ4H]

My god what a bunch of whiners. How can you NOT like tabbed browsing?

Also, yes you can move the menu items around.

I think he was asking about in IE.

[DanGarion]

I think he was asking about in IE.

Well tough shit for him then, I don't use an inferior browser that is more susceptible to security issues.

[daedalus]

That's weird, MJ4H. Opera had always been less resource intensive for me. On my old piece of crap computer, I more or less could not run Firefox because it needed more resource than was available (I'm guessing because of the XML-based nature of Firefox). I still prefer Opera's handling of mouse gestures but have moved onto Firefix because Opera cannot seem to handle behaviour on sites where pages are executables for me. That irritated me more.

[wade moore]

I like tab browsing now, but I still hate Firefox.

IE and the evil corporation for life!!!!!!

Can you elaborate? I see no reason to prefer IE.

[Oilers9911]

I actually quite like Lynx.

And my little joke goes backfire. :)

[MJ4H]

Well tough shit for him then, I don't use an inferior browser that is more susceptible to security issues.

Thanks for the help.

[Logan]

Can I somewhat threadjack this to bitch about IE?

My mother just let me know her IE (version 6) is acting weird. When it starts up, it will show all the toolbars, but no content (just a plain white screen below everything). After about 5 minutes her homepage (Optimum Online) will show up. But after that, moving around is damn near impossible and results in it freezing. I looked at it, and I have no clue how to fix it. Ran a Spybot check...nothing found.

I had her switch to Mozilla (just getting to the page to download was a trial by itself) and see seemed to like it. But oh no...apparently the java games she plays off the Optimum Online site only work with IE. Fuckers.

My mom is a simple person. She uses the internet to see pictures/videos of her grandkids and to play these games. I'd like to fix this for her, but I have no clue. She's using XP Home edition, without service pack 2 (which I can't figure out how to download simply), so apparently IE7 is out. So I'm out of ideas. Any help? Thanks.

[MJ4H]

Maybe this page will help on upgrading to SP2?

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/sp2/how.mspx

Worth a try at least.

[DanGarion]

Thanks for the help.

Sorry I forgot the j/k :D face. I'm just kidding around :).

[Logan]

Thanks for the link. I've gotten to that before, but when using Mozilla to get it, I'm then told it can only be accessed through IE or by going through X, Y, and Z which seems to put me in a never-ending loop. Had the bright idea of e-mailing the link from my laptop to her Optimum account, which after about 10 minutes of waiting, I was able to access and it looks like things are starting to move. Hopefully this will be the beginning of taking care of it. Thanks.

[MJ4H]

Thanks for the link. I've gotten to that before, but when using Mozilla to get it, I'm then told it can only be accessed through IE or by going through X, Y, and Z which seems to put me in a never-ending loop. Had the bright idea of e-mailing the link from my laptop to her Optimum account, which after about 10 minutes of waiting, I was able to access and it looks like things are starting to move. Hopefully this will be the beginning of taking care of it. Thanks.

Good luck. Didn't think of that IE only problem. Glad you are getting somewhere.

[Schmidty]

Can you elaborate? I see no reason to prefer IE.

I'm just going to be straight up honest, and say that I have no actual intelligent reason. I've tried both, and I am simply more comfortable with IE. That's all.

[DanGarion]

I'm just going to be straight up honest, and say that I have no actual intelligent reason. I've tried both, and I am simply more comfortable with IE. That's all.

That's fair enough.

[wade moore]

That's fair enough."