Pacman Jones suspended for entire season

[Huckleberry]

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[Eaglesfan27]

Wow. I thought he'd get 4, maybe 8 games at the most. Good for the new commish (even though I doubt it will stand.)

[gstelmack]

And Chris Henry for 8 games.

[gottimd]

So that gives him more free time on his hands....wonderful. What is the over/under on his next offense? It was probably 1 month before suspension, but just got lowered to 2 weeks now.

[Ksyrup]

They went excessive, knowing they'd lose the appeal, but win in the court of public opinion.

[albionmoonlight]

Between his upcoming legal fees, the loss of an anticipated year's salary, and my sneaking suspicion that he has already rained away his signing bonus, I wonder if Pac Man might be bumping into some financial trouble sooner rather than later.

[Maple Leafs]

... rained away his signing bonus.
Gold.

[Leonidas]

NFL administrators finally grew some balls. Maybe Goodall is going to be a great commish.

[ISiddiqui]

Couldn't have happened to a better person ;).

[gottimd]

I wonder if Pac Man might be bumping into some financial trouble sooner rather than later.

and thus the segue into committing felonies such as murder?

[stevew]

Glad to see that Goddell has some balls. Can't possibly see this standing, but even if it gets reduced to 4 games that is a steep punishment. I just wish Jones made more in actual salary, so it would be a harsher penalty. I guess the Titans can go after a pro-rated portion of his signing bonus if they want too, also.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

If they want too? I think it's a foregone conclusion they will go after the signing bonus.

[scooper]

Mike Brown will try to suck out Chris Henry's soul with a straw to repay his signing bonus.

[JPhillips]

Goodell has also made it clear that another offense will lead to a lifetime ban,

[WVUFAN]

Given that Jones has never been convicted of any crime, AND that the rule that Goodall used to suspend them was passed AFTER his "incidents", I don't see this sticking.

[scooper]

Given that Jones has never been convicted of any crime, AND that the rule that Goodall used to suspend them was passed AFTER his "incidents", I don't see this sticking.The NFL is not the court of law and Goodall is not handing down jail sentences. They don't need the proof that a prosecutor needs. This won't stick as it is written, but it will still be substantial.

[Toddzilla]

Given that Jones has never been convicted of any crime, AND that the rule that Goodall used to suspend them was passed AFTER his "incidents", I don't see this sticking.WTF? He's been involved in 10 incidents where he's been interviewed by the police. Convicted or not, malfeasance seems to follow this guy wherever he goes. Good riddance.

[Kodos]

I applaud the new commissioner for taking a harder stance against this kind of crap.

[stevew]

This must be what happens when the new commish doesn't share a hot tub with the players union president.

[gottimd]

WTF? He's been involved in 10 incidents where he's been interviewed by the police. Convicted or not, malfeasance seems to follow this guy wherever he goes. Good riddance.

He is a stand up guy, a role model, and just a classic example of being in the wrong place at the wrong time....again......and again....and again.....and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......and again.......

[lordscarlet]

WTF? He's been involved in 10 incidents where he's been interviewed by the police. Convicted or not, malfeasance seems to follow this guy wherever he goes. Good riddance.

Yes. It's all about the perception given to his product (the NFL and it's players), regardless of the accuracy in the charges (or lack there of).

[Leonidas]

The NFL is not the court of law and Goodall is not handing down jail sentences. They don't need the proof that a prosecutor needs. This won't stick as it is written, but it will still be substantial.If it were me, at my work, conviction or not, I'd be getting a mighty bad performance report, which would certainly end my career regardless of how well I performed.

[Crapshoot]

Innocent until proven guility, except when the public doesn't give a shit. I don't think PacMan's a particularly great human being and I recognize the NFL's right to suspend him (as per their negotiated rules), but dear god, people relishing the idea of him losing some salary smack of nothing more than envy.

[WVUFAN]

WTF? He's been involved in 10 incidents where he's been interviewed by the police. Convicted or not, malfeasance seems to follow this guy wherever he goes. Good riddance.

So being interviewed by the police is now a finable/suspendable offense?

Goodall better be suspending Ray Lewis then. He was arrested for murder, y'know. After all, as Scooper says, they don't need the proof that a prosecutor needs ... he just needs to be interviewed by the police.

So if Jones is suspended for a season for just being interviewed by the police (never actually, y'know, CHARGED with a crime or anything), by god Goodall better throw the book at Lewis.

[wade moore]

So being interviewed by the police is now a finable/suspendable offense?

Goodall better be suspending Ray Lewis then. He was arrested for murder, y'know. After all, as Scooper says, they don't need the proof that a prosecutor needs ... he just needs to be interviewed by the police.

So if Jones is suspended for a season for just being interviewed by the police (never actually, y'know, CHARGED with a crime or anything), by god Goodall better throw the book at Lewis.

Wow.. come on now, you're better at debate than this..

This happened Lewis YEARS ago where the Jones incident was THIS off-season.

[Atocep]

So being interviewed by the police is now a finable/suspendable offense?

Goodall better be suspending Ray Lewis then. He was arrested for murder, y'know. After all, as Scooper says, they don't need the proof that a prosecutor needs ... he just needs to be interviewed by the police.

So if Jones is suspended for a season for just being interviewed by the police (never actually, y'know, CHARGED with a crime or anything), by god Goodall better throw the book at Lewis.


The thing that really got the league's attention in Jones' case was 2 arrests he had last offseason that he never reported to the league or the team, which is against NFL rules.

[WVUFAN]

Wow.. come on now, you're better at debate than this..

This happened Lewis YEARS ago where the Jones incident was THIS off-season.

Doesn't matter. If the idea is that negative actions, even if the actions are not illegal, reflect poorly on the NFL, then Lewis should be held accountable. When the incidents occured doesn't have anything to do with it. Some of the "offenses" they are suspending Jones for occured in his rookie season.

If you're talking recent events, Jones has ONE incident that happened recently. ONE. Otherwise we're talking things that occured before a good bit of time ago.

So, obviously the time in which the "incidents" occured has really no bearing on the punishment. It lends me to ask ... What is worse ... 6 incidents where the person was never even charged with a crime, much less went to trial, or a single incident where a person was charged with MURDER in the first degree and pleaded down? Lewis was convicted. Jones has never even been charged with a single crime.

Add to the fact that the ruling that Jones is being suspended for was passed AFTER JONES' INCIDENT OCCURED.

I don't know if Jones is a good guy or not. I know, however, that being suspended for an entire season for something that isn't illegal to begin with is just wrong.

[st.cronin]

The things Pacman is alleged to have done are far worse than what Ray Lewis is alleged to have done. Afaik, Ray Lewis was basically accused of covering up for somebody who was suspected of being connected to somebody who was suspected to have shot somebody. Or something like that.

[lordscarlet]

I miss Playmakers.

[WVUFAN]

The thing that really got the league's attention in Jones' case was 2 arrests he had last offseason that he never reported to the league or the team, which is against NFL rules.

dola --

That's an excuse -- Goodall is using Jones as an example, and it should not fly. If this was a pressing issue, why wasn't he suspended for those incidents LAST YEAR, when they occured?

This sort of nonsense will come back and bite Goodall and the NFL when it comes time to renegotiate with the Player's Union.

[WVUFAN]

The things Pacman is alleged to have done are far worse than what Ray Lewis is alleged to have done. Afaik, Ray Lewis was basically accused of covering up for somebody who was suspected of being connected to somebody who was suspected to have shot somebody. Or something like that.

Ack?

Lewis was charged with First Degree Murder. You really can't get much worse than that. He pleaded down and was convicted with Obstruction of Justice.

Both of which are much worse than ... no crime at all, which is what Jones has been convicted of.

EDIT: The NFL did not punish Lewis AT ALL for what happened. He did not receive a fine, nor a suspension of ANY KIND.

[Atocep]

dola --

That's an excuse -- Goodall is using Jones as an example, and it should not fly. If this was a pressing issue, why wasn't he suspended for those incidents LAST YEAR, when they occured?

This sort of nonsense will come back and bite Goodall and the NFL when it comes time to renegotiate with the Player's Union.


1.) the league didn't find out about the arrests until the end of this past season.

2.) This is a new commish setting new policy. You can't expect him to go back and retroactively suspend every player in the league that now falls under whatever his new policy is.

3.) The players union is 100% behind the suspensions. The Goodall founded a group that gives input on players conduct last week. If you think he did this without feedback from players, coaches, the Gene Upshaw, ect. You're kidding yourself. This is something a lot people wanted to see happen.

[Kodos]

FWIW, I was in favor of banning Lewis for life.

[WVUFAN]

1.) the league didn't find out about the arrests until the end of this past season.

That's not true. They found out about them in the early part of LAST season.


2.) This is a new commish setting new policy. You can't expect him to go back and retroactively suspend every player in the league that now falls under whatever his new policy is.

They're suspending Jones retroactively. Why not others?


3.) The players union is 100% behind the suspensions. The Goodall founded a group that gives input on players conduct last week. If you think he did this without feedback from players, coaches, the Gene Upshaw, ect. You're kidding yourself. This is something a lot people wanted to see happen.

We'll see about that.

[wade moore]

What I'm saying is - if Lewis does something again, while Gooddall is in charge, then he should get the same treatment as Jones. But Gooddall (unless I'm missing something) is not suspending Jones FOR those other incidents, but that those are weighing into the weight of the punishment.

[Atocep]

We'll see about that.

Have you not been following this at all? There's interview after interview with players, Gene Upshaw, coaches, ect. Not a single person interviewed has said a negative thing about coming down hard on Chris Henry, Tank Johnson, or Pacman.

Goodall has had multiple meetings with Gene Upshaw and was at the Owner's meetings to get input on this subject.

Pacman himself was quoted a couple days ago as saying he expected to be suspended for quite a while.

Do you seriously think he'd make a statement like this as a brand new commish without the players union and owners backing?

[Jas_lov]

So what exactly do you propose instead? Going back and suspending every player for every bad act they've committed during their career? Or just let Pac Man Jones and Chris Henry go without penalties, and the arrests and convictions keep on happening because there are no harsh penalties. The new commisioner is setting an example and I think making steps to clean up the game and people are standing up for Pac Man Jones because he hasn't officially been arrested?

[WVUFAN]

So what exactly do you propose instead? Going back and suspending every player for every bad act they've committed during their career?

If you're gonna do that to two players, then do it to ALL players.


Or just let Pac Man Jones and Chris Henry go without penalties, and the arrests and convictions keep on happening because there are no harsh penalties.
Sigh. Jones has never been even officially charged with a single crime, much less convicted.

What I'm saying is that if you're going to suspend a player under a new rule set up after the player commits the incident, then you do the same to ALL the other players. If not, then warn Jones of the new rules, and if he's the punk y'all evidently think he is, then he'll screw up again, and that's when you throw the book at him.

But don't suspend him for incidents that occur under a new rule, when he wouldn't have been suspeded for them when they were committed. You're punishing him for "illegal" (I use that word lightly because, again, he's never been charged with a crime) activities that weren't "illegal" when they occured.

So, long story short, YES, if you're gonna suspend Jones for this, then suspend Lewis as well. After all, he was never punished for what he did to begin with.

And suspend Jamal Lewis while you're at it. He was convicted of a crime as well.


The new commisioner is setting an example and I think making steps to clean up the game and people are standing up for Pac Man Jones because he hasn't officially been arrested?

I'm all in favor of suspending players when they are convicted of crimes. If they're arrested, no, because an arrest is not indiciative of guilt. My support of Jones is based on the idea that he shouldn't be punished for an infringement of the rules when the rule wasn't created. In "real life" (ie, actual law), Article I, Sections 9-10 would prohibit this from happening.

[Atocep]

WVUFAN, I have no idea what you're looking for from the NFL. Goodall takes his time, gets info, gets feedback, plans policy, gets a group of 6 players to be the player conduct commitee, and you'd rather see him suspend players on a whim as soon as he hears about a player getting arrested.

If you want to blame anyone, blame previous commishes that didn't have anything on player conduct in place. The sports world has been running around trying to bust steroid users when guys like Pacman Jones and Chris Henry run around getting multiple arrests. Which one really should be getting the attention and warrants suspension?

[Jas_lov]

But neither of them is suspended under the new rule. They are both suspended under the old policy and have the right to appeal, but with the player's union supporting the commissioner it's probably useless. The new rule was announced today as well, but the suspensions are for conduct detrimental to the league under the old policy.

[Chubby]

That's not true. They found out about them in the early part of LAST season.



They're suspending Jones retroactively. Why not others?



We'll see about that.

:rolleyes:

The suspension is a good move by the league.

[VPI97]

What I'm saying is that if you're going to suspend a player under a new rule set up after the player commits the incident, then you do the same to ALL the other players.
They're just going after the latest "poster children" to send a message. Bad luck for Pac Man and Chris Henry that they've been the ones in the news the past year. If this was announced during the 2006 or 2008 offseasons it would have likely been someone else to bear the brunt of the punishment since those two may not have been the ones in the public eye for this type of behavior.



BTW - You've got to know that I'm holding back the obvious comment regarding these two out of respect for your opinion. :)

[Toddzilla]

Um, WVUFAN, where did PacMan go to school, anyway? ;)

[WVUFAN]

BTW - You've got to know that I'm holding back the obvious comment regarding these two out of respect for your opinion. :)


Thank you. :)

Note I haven't said a thing about Chris Henry. He's been convicted with a crime, and should get punishment. But Jones got worse and has done less.

[WVUFAN]

Um, WVUFAN, where did PacMan go to school, anyway? ;)

Lemme look.

Whoa. They're both from WVU. I didn't know that.

:)

[Atocep]

Thank you.

Note I haven't said a thing about Chris Henry. He's been convicted with a crime, and should get punishment. But Jones got worse and has done less.

I won't deny the league is using them as an example, but I'll guarantee he has Gene Upshaw's support or he wouldn't have made these suspension so severe.

[miami_fan]

Thank you. :)

Note I haven't said a thing about Chris Henry. He's been convicted with a crime, and should get punishment. But Jones got worse and has done less.

Agreed. Henry should have gotten at least a year and a half.

[WVUFAN]

If you want to blame anyone, blame previous commishes that didn't have anything on player conduct in place. The sports world has been running around trying to bust steroid users when guys like Pacman Jones and Chris Henry run around getting multiple arrests. Which one really should be getting the attention and warrants suspension?

Are you asking me which warrants a suspension, Jones or steriod users? Steriod Users.

Mostly because they're illegal. And, as I've said now about a hundred times both here at work and on the board, Jones hasn't done a single illegal thing yet.

So, yeah, steriod users.

[BishopMVP]

Have you not been following this at all? There's interview after interview with players, Gene Upshaw, coaches, ect. Not a single person interviewed has said a negative thing about coming down hard on Chris Henry, Tank Johnson, or Pacman.A) What did they do to Tank Johnson? Let him play in the Super Bowl after getting a special court order from a (second) judge (that was a Bears fan) that let him leave the state of Illinois?

B) IIRC, Ray Lewis, while not suspended, did get a $250k fine.

C) Did Pac-Man and Henry have any other roomates down there at WVU we should be looking out for?

[Northwood_DK]

And, as I've said now about a hundred times both here at work and on the board, Jones hasn't done a single illegal thing yet.



I don’t think he have to do anything illegal to break the leagues current Personal Conduct Policy (http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx).

[lordscarlet]

What I'm saying is that if you're going to suspend a player under a new rule set up after the player commits the incident, then you do the same to ALL the other players. If not, then warn Jones of the new rules, and if he's the punk y'all evidently think he is, then he'll screw up again, and that's when you throw the book at him.

But don't suspend him for incidents that occur under a new rule, when he wouldn't have been suspeded for them when they were committed. You're punishing him for "illegal" (I use that word lightly because, again, he's never been charged with a crime) activities that weren't "illegal" when they occured.


I agree with this.


I'm all in favor of suspending players when they are convicted of crimes. If they're arrested, no, because an arrest is not indiciative of guilt. My support of Jones is based on the idea that he shouldn't be punished for an infringement of the rules when the rule wasn't created. In "real life" (ie, actual law), Article I, Sections 9-10 would prohibit this from happening.

Not with this.

I think that a large perception of guilt (without evidence, arrest, or conviction) is just as detrimental to the image of the league as conviction. However, I agree that retroactively punishing players is bit of a load of crap.

Having said that, as a fan, I don't mind so much. The sooner things get cleaned up, the better. As someone that enjoys seeing a person's rights respected, I'm not so fond of it.

[Atocep]

A) What did they do to Tank Johnson? Let him play in the Super Bowl after getting a special court order from a (second) judge (that was a Bears fan) that let him leave the state of Illinois?


They waited until the league had at least a rough draft for new policy in place before doing anything, just like Pacman and Chris Henry. Tank Johnson is set to meet with Goodall as soon as he's released from jail. He's not being treated any differently

[WVUFAN]

A)

C) Did Pac-Man and Henry have any other roomates down there at WVU we should be looking out for?

I'm surprised someone in the media hasn't brought the fact that both of the Bad Boy Poster Children came from the same school.

[WVUFAN]

They waited until the league had at least a rough draft for new policy in place before doing anything, just like Pacman and Chris Henry. Tank Johnson is set to meet with Goodall as soon as he's released from jail. He's not being treated any differently

You hit it right on the head. They waited until the new rule was in place before handing down punishments.

"Being punished by the old rule" -- I call bullshit on that.

[Jas_lov]

They were punished by the old policy. If they had been punished by a new policy then i'd agree that they shouldn't go back and suspend them for things that happened before the new policy was in place. Look at the rules dknorwood posted and you'll see why Goddell suspended both players. It's not like Pac Man hasn't done anything. He's gotten probation for a number of things and violated his probation. He punched a police officer, spit in someone's face, public intox, failure to report prohibited conduct, etc. The list of things he's done is here and all of it added to a 1 year suspension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2790090

[Atocep]

You hit it right on the head. They waited until the new rule was in place before handing down punishments.

"Being punished by the old rule" -- I call bullshit on that.

As was said above, they were punished under the old rule. The new rule gives better guidelines for future punishments.

10 run-ins with the police and multiple arrests clearly falls under player conduct. When they put the policy in place they didn't have any guidelines at all for actual punishments. The new policy expands on the old one.

[WVUFAN]

They were punished by the old policy. If they had been punished by a new policy then i'd agree that they shouldn't go back and suspend them for things that happened before the new policy was in place. Look at the rules dknorwood posted and you'll see why Goddell suspended both players. It's not like Pac Man hasn't done anything. He's gotten probation for a number of things and violated his probation. He punched a police officer, spit in someone's face, public intox, failure to report prohibited conduct, etc. The list of things he's done is here and all of it added to a 1 year suspension.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2790090

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of his convictions.

I recind what I said before. Throw the book at him. I was under the assumption (based off a ESPN showcase on Jones) that he's never been convicted of any crimes, but that's seemingly not the case.

[Atocep]

Thanks for the link. I wasn't aware of his convictions.

I recind what I said before. Throw the book at him. I was under the assumption (based off a ESPN showcase on Jones) that he's never been convicted of any crimes, but that's seemingly not the case.


Well, I still agree that he was used as an example and although not necessarily punished under the new 'get tough' policy, he was used to unveil it.

I don't feel a bit sorry for Jones, though. He was the one stupid enough to put himself in position to get arrested that many times. If he hadn't been a top 10 pick and a future pro bowler, he'd be out of the league already.

[molson]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2790090

That's not really that bad a record, and it shows strong efforts at padding.

Looks like a guy that smokes a lot of weed, has a bad temper, and hangs out with the wrong crowd. I'm not sure why, as football fans, we should really care.

[st.cronin]

He also likes to spit on people, which is incredibly disgusting.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

That's not really that bad a record, and it shows strong efforts at padding.

Looks like a guy that smokes a lot of weed, has a bad temper, and hangs out with the wrong crowd. I'm not sure why, as football fans, we should really care.

Maybe he's the wrong crowd -- of one. You can also choose which crowd to hang out with.

[cougarfreak]

I love it. I hope he goes all Kennesaw Mountain Landis on all the trouble makers asses and cleans the sport up. Screw that waiting for a court's decision, it's about perception of the sport and it's players. I give him kudos, and much applause for the move.

[Atocep]

Looks like a guy that smokes a lot of weed, has a bad temper, and hangs out with the wrong crowd. I'm not sure why, as football fans, we should really care.

He also took $81,000 in cash to a strip club, dumped it out on the stage while a girl was dancing, and when she started grabbing bills he grabbed her by the head and slammed her head into the stage.

Sounds like a good guy who just can't catch a break...

[Mustang]

Sounds like a good guy who just can't catch a break...

He'll just have to change his name to Pitfall Jones...

[MrIllini]

Please do not interpret this as condoning the actions of Jones, Henry, Tank, or anyone else for that matter.

But maybe if the NFL wants to clean up it's act, they should put on a clinic for GM's and coaches on "how not to draft assholes". It's not as if these guys were squeaky clean coming into the draft (IIRC, I'll gladly recant if I'm wrong).

For that matter, it would seem to me that the *teams* probably have more power/right (legal, etc) to suspend their own players than the league. Why haven't these guys been suspended significantly by their teams? Because that would be a blatant admission..."hey, sorry, we drafted an asshole."

[Atocep]

Please do not interpret this as condoning the actions of Jones, Henry, Tank, or anyone else for that matter.

But maybe if the NFL wants to clean up it's act, they should put on a clinic for GM's and coaches on "how not to draft assholes". It's not as if these guys were squeaky clean coming into the draft (IIRC, I'll gladly recant if I'm wrong).

For that matter, it would seem to me that the *teams* probably have more power/right (legal, etc) to suspend their own players than the league. Why haven't these guys been suspended significantly by their teams? Because that would be a blatant admission..."hey, sorry, we drafted an asshole."

1.) The new policy gives teams a cap hit for having players suspended for conduct.

2.) Its the same in every league. Bench players get cut. They let the league handle suspensions for starters.

There should be more of a public outcry against guys like Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and Chris Henry than against Barry Bonds steroid use.

[Schmidty]

Modern devil's advocate = Modern pseudo-intellectual.

[Toddzilla]

Lemme look.

Whoa. They're both from WVU. I didn't know that.

:)LOL - Stupid Mountaineers.

The Hokies at least know to get all their arrests and felonies out of their system while they're still in college. ;)

[lordscarlet]

LOL - Stupid Mountaineers.

The Hokies at least know to get all their arrests and felonies out of their system while they're still in college. ;)

..but somethings are in their system for life. :p

[WVUFAN]

..but somethings are in their system for life. :p

Out of respect for VPI not rubbing this whole Jones/Henry thing in my face, I have decided to not hate the Hokies until next week.

:cool:

[Mo.Raider]

WVUFAN-

No disrespect, but I think you are confusing law with a employer's right to set and enforce conduct guidelines. The NFL is a business, and working for them is not a right, but a privelage. Most people realize that they are not guaranteed employment no matter what their actions. Even if those actions just reflect poorly on the business, the business usually has a pretty broad ability to suspend or terminate the employee without much recourse. This even applies to people working for public institutions. Teachers for example have a pretty powerful union, but most know that the local school board isn't going to put up with them having a "night" job at the local strip club, even if in most places it is legal to be employed in that industry. I think waiting for a player to be arrested and convicted before you do damage control and suspend them might be a little too late, if not a little pathetic. It they are convicted, a suspension would be a little silly since most would be imprisoned and pretty much "suspended" anyway. I have to side with the owners who are trying to protect a billion dollar industry from a black eye.

[miami_fan]

They waited until the league had at least a rough draft for new policy in place before doing anything, just like Pacman and Chris Henry. Tank Johnson is set to meet with Goodall as soon as he's released from jail. He's not being treated any differently

Tank Johnson has to get at least a year too doesn't he?

[stevew]

How does Sean Taylor slide with no punishment? Or did he already get a game or two for those shenanigans in Miami beach a summer or two ago.

[WVUFAN]

WVUFAN-

No disrespect, but I think you are confusing law with a employer's right to set and enforce conduct guidelines. The NFL is a business, and working for them is not a right, but a privelage. Most people realize that they are not guaranteed employment no matter what their actions. Even if those actions just reflect poorly on the business, the business usually has a pretty broad ability to suspend or terminate the employee without much recourse. This even applies to people working for public institutions. Teachers for example have a pretty powerful union, but most know that the local school board isn't going to put up with them having a "night" job at the local strip club, even if in most places it is legal to be employed in that industry. I think waiting for a player to be arrested and convicted before you do damage control and suspend them might be a little too late, if not a little pathetic. It they are convicted, a suspension would be a little silly since most would be imprisoned and pretty much "suspended" anyway. I have to side with the owners who are trying to protect a billion dollar industry from a black eye.

For the most part, you are right, but there should be caution as to how far the NFL can go when it talks about "conduct detrimental to the league". There's more than one incident, especially given that many NFL players are celebrities, when they are not at all at faunt with a situation they might be placed in, and they shouldn't be punished for something that in essence they never did.

Not saying Jones or Henry fell under what I just said, but it's entirely possible a good player might be in the future.

You have very good points, though.

[Mo.Raider]

WVUFAN-

Thanks,

In the end Adam Jones will probably just hire Jackie Chiles to clean up the matter. "This is outrageous, iniquitous, and downright disengenuous." Fast forward to the court proceedings. "Who told you to make it rain...?"

[miami_fan]

How does Sean Taylor slide with no punishment? Or did he already get a game or two for those shenanigans in Miami beach a summer or two ago.

Basically the prosecutor's office was embarrassed into droping the charges. The lead prosecutor in the case was publicizing the case while working as a DJ on South Beach.

[Atocep]

Tank Johnson has to get at least a year too doesn't he?

He'll be the hardest one. He doesn't have quite the track record of Henry or Jones, but he has a conviction and a parole violation (and a 3rd arrest where charges were dropped). The Bears also suspended him for a couple games so they'll probably deduct that from whatever suspendsion they give him.

[miami_fan]

He'll be the hardest one. He doesn't have quite the track record of Henry or Jones, but he has a conviction and a parole violation (and a 3rd arrest where charges were dropped). The Bears also suspended him for a couple games so they'll probably deduct that from whatever suspendsion they give him.

I am thinking the same thing. I know the league is supposed to look at each case individually but the suspensions have set the standard by which all others will be compared.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

http://img01.picoodle.com/img/img01/7/4/11/t_GameOver2m_b2ca702.jpg (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?srv=img01&img=/7/4/11/f_GameOver2m_b2ca702.jpg)
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[scooper]

Please do not interpret this as condoning the actions of Jones, Henry, Tank, or anyone else for that matter.

But maybe if the NFL wants to clean up it's act, they should put on a clinic for GM's and coaches on "how not to draft assholes". It's not as if these guys were squeaky clean coming into the draft (IIRC, I'll gladly recant if I'm wrong).

For that matter, it would seem to me that the *teams* probably have more power/right (legal, etc) to suspend their own players than the league. Why haven't these guys been suspended significantly by their teams? Because that would be a blatant admission..."hey, sorry, we drafted an asshole."
Last point first-as part of the new CBA, teams are only allowed to suspend their own players up to 4 games for conduct reasons.

As for the GM and coaches clinic, in theory it's a good idea. Or at least some sort of mandate for teams to consider that more strongly. However, these moves could have a similar affect. A team may be more careful about drafting guys with character issues if there's a risk they could lose them for a 1/2 year, full year or permanently. This has not been a realistic risk to them prior to now. We'll see how they respond come draft time. Some teams may take a gamble, but there is no question the Bengals and Titans are losing big time contributors through this.

[watravaler]

He'll be the hardest one. He doesn't have quite the track record of Henry or Jones, but he has a conviction and a parole violation (and a 3rd arrest where charges were dropped). The Bears also suspended him for a couple games so they'll probably deduct that from whatever suspendsion they give him.

Really? I think Tank's crimes pale in comparison to Henry/Jones. He is also serving time for his actions.

[Subby]

D'oh! (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/dekalb/stories/2007/06/18/0618dkshooting.html)

'Pacman' Jones may be involved in shooting incident

By S.A. Reid ([email protected])

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 06/18/07

Troubled NFL star Adam "Pacman" Jones is wanted for questioning in a shooting early Monday at a DeKalb County strip club that left one man with minor injuries.

DeKalb police confirmed they want to talk to the College Park native, whose entourage got into an argument with three other men about 4:16 a.m. at Club Blaze, a Moreland Avenue strip club, according to Officer Ariel Toledo, a department spokesman.
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When the men with whom they argued left the club, Jones's entourage followed them in two vehicles police identified as a green Dodge Charger and a black Pontiac Grand Prix.

Someone from Jones' entourage allegedly shot into the vehicle they were following, Toledo said. Someone in the victim's car returned fire. One person in the victim's car suffered minor injuries from shrapnel, but refused treatment, Toledo said. The gunfire exchange happened near I-285.

"We're still investigating," Toledo said. "We want to speak to Adam 'Pacman' Jones because we believe the people he was with were involved."

No charges have yet been filed in the case.

Jones, a star defensive back with the Tennessee Titans, will be serving a one-year NFL suspension during the 2007 season. The suspension is linked to his numerous encounters with the police and five arrests since he was drafted in 2005. In the wake of the suspension, the gridiron standout had pledged to turn his life around.

[Lathum]

so what happens first, Pacman wears and orange jumpsuit or Pacman wears a football helmet?

[Ksyrup]

"We're still investigating," Toledo said. "We want to speak to Adam 'Pacman' Jones because we believe the people he was with were involved."



You know you've got a long history of run-ins with law enforcement when even the cops are using your nickname when discussing you. What a fucking moron. It doesn't matter if he had absolutely nothing to do with this shooting. The fact that he is fighting for his professional life, has sworn up and down to the Commish that he's changing his ways and the people he associates with, and then does this shit...? I just don't get it. Even Michael Vick is smart enough not to head down to the local dog fight at this point.

[bulletsponge]

this guy is too dumb for his own good. i bet he never plays pro football again because he wont stay out of trouble during his suspension

[Lathum]

this guy is too dumb for his own good. i bet he never plays pro football again because he wont stay out of trouble during his suspension

I agree, the suspension was the worst thing for him. Now he has all this free time.

[Oilers9911]

Pacman Jones, dumbest human being on Earth? What they should do is instead of suspending him is make him play for the minimum salary...and I mean the Arena League minimum salary.

[albionmoonlight]

"If getting into gunfights around strip clubs is wrong, then I don't want to be right.

"If, however, getting into gunfights around strip clubs is right, then I am comfortable with being right.

"I guess what I am saying is that I pretty much just like getting into gunfights around strip clubs, and the rightness or wrongness of such actions does not really factor into my decisions."

[Galaril]

Pacman is the second dumbest. The dumbest? The guy that ok'd using a 5th round overall pick to drfat this guy. What a waste:I

[Maple Leafs]

"We all have that friend who's addicted to strip clubs. Addicted like heroin." - Chris Rock

[Lathum]

"We all have that friend who's addicted to strip clubs. Addicted like heroin." - Chris Rock

how odd, I am actualy listing to this right now. I mean he just said the very quote you posted.

[Ksyrup]

And fortunately for Pacman's friends, the addict is rolling in money.

[BrianD]

I agree, the suspension was the worst thing for him. Now he has all this free time.

Time to announce the new NFL Expansion/Crime reduction program?

[Ksyrup]

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>http://www.breitbart.com/images/common/dot.gif</TD><TD style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" vAlign=top width="99%">LAS VEGAS (AP) - Suspended NFL player Adam "Pacman" Jones will face two felony charges (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=) in a strip club melee that preceded a triple shooting in February, Las Vegas police and the Clark County District Attorney's office said Wednesday.

Two other people previously identified by police as friends of the troubled Tennessee Titans cornerback also will face felony charges in the fracas inside the Minxx club, police said in a statement.

No one is named in the shooting that occurred later outside the club and left a bar employee paralyzed, police Capt. James Dillon said.

Warrants (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=) were issued for the arrests of Jones, Robert Reid (http://search.breitbart.com/q?s=) of Carson, Calif., and Sadia Morrison of New York, Dillon said.

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[miami_fan]

Time to lawyer up!

[timmynausea]

It's being reported on the radio in West Virginia that Pacman is having a strip club built inside of his house so he can avoid the trouble he gets into by going out to strip clubs. The guy reporting it has been a pretty reliable source for WVU related news for years, so I'm assuming this is legit.

It's funny to think about how that idea even occurs to someone. I imagine he made a list of all of his options and eventually whittled it down to (a) settle down with a nice girl or (b) strip club in the house. It's nice to see the guy actually make a good decision for the first time in years.

[st.cronin]

It's being reported on the radio in West Virginia that Pacman is having a strip club built inside of his house so he can avoid the trouble he gets into by going out to strip clubs. The guy reporting it has been a pretty reliable source for WVU related news for years, so I'm assuming this is legit.

It's funny to think about how that idea even occurs to someone. I imagine he made a list of all of his options and eventually whittled it down to (a) settle down with a nice girl or (b) strip club in the house. It's nice to see the guy actually make a good decision for the first time in years.

Oh Jesus, please let this be true.

[timmynausea]

Damn. I did a little digging and it looks the source is a joke article (a column titled "the fabricator"). I'm not sure if the guy reporting this on the radio didn't understand that it was a joke or what.

hxxp://www.nashvillescene.com/Stories/Columns/The_Fabricator/2007/06/28/Private_Dancers/index.shtml

[st.cronin]

I'm going to believe it anyway.

[bulletsponge]

you know you have a problem when people automaticaly believe you would put a strip club in your own house.

[Ksyrup]

Pacman cited after police stop his orange Lamborghini

Associated Press

Updated: July 11, 2007, 9:04 AM ET

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Suspended NFL player Adam "Pacman" Jones (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7182) received several driving citations in a traffic stop last month in Williamson County, Tenn., where he has a home.

Jones was pulled over June 10 at 8:30 a.m. in his orange Lamborghini sports car because the tags did not match the car, WKRN-TV in Nashville reported.

Sheriff's deputies said he had switched the plate from another vehicle he owns. He was cited with a registration violation, as well as a residency violation for having a Georgia license and failure to show proof of insurance.

Jones was scheduled for an Aug. 10 court appearance on the citations. The Tennessee Titans (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=ten) cornerback is currently suspended from the NFL for a year over several legal scrapes since being drafted in 2005. He faces felony coercion charges in connection with a Feb. 19 fight and triple-shooting at a Las Vegas strip club.

Jones also faces a felony charge of obstruction stemming from a physical altercation in February 2006 with an officer on patrol in Fayetteville, Ga., but no trial date has been set.

Last week a judge delayed a decision on whether to revive charges from an incident last August at a nightclub in Murfreesboro, just south of Nashville. Police said Jones got into an argument with a woman, refused to leave the club and shouted profanities at officers.

[Kodos]

I think the ghosts are going to get Pacman this time.

[Ksyrup]

If you're going to screw with the license plates on your car, it'd probably be a good idea to go with something a little less conspicuous than an orange Lamborghini. Apparently he's above sitting in line at the DMV. Too few stripper poles, probably.

[SunDevil]

So is anyone taking bets on exactly when this guy runs out of money?

[stevew]

So is anyone taking bets on exactly when this guy runs out of money?

He's gotta be close now....I think any kind of protracted legal fight will reduce his lifestyle to "making it drizzle."

[st.cronin]

So is anyone taking bets on exactly when this guy runs out of money?

You know what would be a funny sitcom, PacMan and Mike Vick rooming together in a dingy apartment and working minimum wage jobs to make ends meet.

[Brillig]

You know what would be a funny reality show, PacMan and Mike Vick rooming together in a dingy apartment and working minimum wage jobs to make ends meet.

Fixed.

[Eaglesfan27]

Pacman may be turning to wrestling to make a living:

http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=6856860

[albionmoonlight]

He's gotta be close now....I think any kind of protracted legal fight will reduce his lifestyle to "making it drizzle."

LOL