What we allow on television (re: VT Shooting)

[Huckleberry]

This incident once again causes me to wonder why I am allowed to see one person shoot another person dead on prime time television but I can't see a bare breast.

Why are boobies worse than glorified violence? That's a terrible statement about our society.

If he had grown up since age three watching characters on television deal with their problems by going to a strip club and letting loose instead of watching them exact revenge by shooting someone there's a possibility there'd be fewer dead college kids today. Seriously.

Maybe not a good chance and certainly not definite, but we send a message that shooting someone is more acceptable than looking at tits by what we allow to be broadcast.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating that we start broadcasting porn or even nudity at all. But what does it say that we consider naked people more damaging than murder?

Just seems weird to me and yesterday reminded me.

[Coder]

This has always confused me as well. What harm could some televised nudity possibly do that televised violence can't? I'm not against violence on TV; hell, I love action movies, but that doesn't make me a very violent person. But naked people doesn't make me a raving sexual maniac either.

[molson]

I have no idea, but I'm glad I was shielded from boobs growing up. It made college all the more interesting.

[Logan]

I have no idea, but I'm glad I was shielded from boobs growing up. It made college all the more interesting.

Yeah, a high speed internet connection must've done wonders for you.




Here's the reason*: nudity is real; it doesn't matter if the situation leading up to the nudity is fake. Murder on TV is fake.







* That was my best attempt at a rational explanation. I agree with you.

[bulletsponge]

Yeah, a high speed internet connection must've done wonders for you.




Here's the reason*: nudity is real; it doesn't matter if the situation leading up to the nudity is fake. Murder on TV is fake.







* That was my best attempt at a rational explanation. I agree with you.


not all breasts are real :D

[Logan]

Well done sir.

[Groundhog]

Because boobies are the DEVIL!

[molson]

Yeah, a high speed internet connection must've done wonders for you.
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Not just high speed my friend - college was my introduction to the gloriousness of the Internet itself!

It was two semesters before I realized the Internet had stuff other than porn.

[bulletsponge]

Not just high speed my friend - college was my introduction to the gloriousness of the Internet itself!

It was two semesters before I realized the Internet had stuff other than porn.

wait... are you telling me theres something other than porn on the net?

[Toddzilla]

One of the most graphic images from yesterday was one of 4 officers carrying an unconscious student out of a building, covered in blood, with a tourniquet around his thigh. Some news outlets ran the picture over and over uncensored, but other outlets were careful to make sure they censored his junk which was hanging out.

The kid, BTW, is in the hospital and recovering nicely.

[MikeVic]

wait... are you telling me theres something other than porn on the net?

Naw, just FOFC and porn.

[KWhit]

I have often asked the same questions Huck. I hate the way our society (our country in particular) views sex and violence. It is truly backwards.

[cthomer5000]

I have often asked the same questions Huck. I hate the way our society (our country in particular) views sex and violence. It is truly backwards.

It really is very very specific to the United States. If anyone is really interested in the sex/violence disparity in films, i highly suggest the documentary This Film Is Not Yet Rated. It illustrates a lot of the differences in rating in the US versus aborad and generally exposes the MPAA rating system for the shady mess that it is.

[Groundhog]

Nothing is yet to beat me having to watch footage of 2 planes fly in to the twin towers, as well as people plummeting to their death, over and over and over and over again. That was an absolute disgrace the way the media handled that, and I'm thankful that I didn't know anyone who was killed in those attacks, because that would have affected me even more.

[chesapeake]

Nothing is yet to beat me having to watch footage of 2 planes fly in to the twin towers, as well as people plummeting to their death, over and over and over and over again. That was an absolute disgrace the way the media handled that, and I'm thankful that I didn't know anyone who was killed in those attacks, because that would have affected me even more.

I think there is a difference between networks showing video of 9/11 and the VT shootings and the point of this thread, which is the violence anyone can see on network TV most evenings.

9/11 and VT really happened. Both were/are horriffic, but the public needs to know that those awful events happened, and they need to know the magnitude of the horror that occurred so that sufficient action can be taken to address the problems that caused each event.

24, however, did not happen. Until this season, I've been a big fan. But now, it is a violent torturefest in search (unsuccessfully) of a plot. The line for what is and is not acceptable on television with regard to violence has not just been blurred, it has been obliterated.

Remember the scene in Reservoir Dogs when they slice off the the guy's ear? At the time, it was one of the most violent scenes in movie history. That happens jsut about every week on 24.

Now if 24's current hottie, Nadia, were to pop out a nipple, Fox would be fined millions and the show would be pulled.

[JasonC23]

Remember the scene in Reservoir Dogs when they slice off the the guy's ear? At the time, it was one of the most violent scenes in movie history. That happens jsut about every week on 24.

My wife watches Criminal Minds. The episode she watched last night featured a kidnapped man whose ear was cut off. While they didn't show it happen (of course, neither did Tarantino), they did have him pass by the camera a couple of times with the bloody side of his head facing the camera. I thought that was ridiculous.

pop out a nipple

Quoted because I can.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Now if 24's current hottie, Nadia, were to pop out a nipple...
Just put her into a room with Eaglesfan27 and this is sure to happen.

[albionmoonlight]

Sex is powerful. Control sex, and you do a lot to control your citizens.

[Drake]

Where can I sign up for this sex control business? Right now, it seems like my wife controls most of the sex.

[Tim Tellean]

My wife watched on TV a news crew broadcast from the front door in Centreville of the shooters family and then give out the address.
That seems very wrong to me, while the shooter had his problems this puts the family square in the lenses of hate crime idiots.

[DanGarion]

My wife watched on TV a news crew broadcast from the front door in Centreville of the shooters family and then give out the address.
That seems very wrong to me, while the shooter had his problems this puts the family square in the lenses of hate crime idiots.

WTF, that's just wrong that they would do that.

[Desnudo]

Sex is powerful. Control sex, and you do a lot to control your citizens.

I've been trying to control my citizen for years

[rkmsuf]

all you people clamoring for nudity on tv remember....it will come with dicks as well.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm totally on board with substituting boobs for guns on TV

[DanGarion]

all you people clamoring for nudity on tv remember....it will come with dicks as well.

No they won't, the men in the government are too homophobic to allow that.

[rkmsuf]

No they won't, the men in the government are too homophobic to allow that.

then rock on. Cagney and Lacey...now with boobs!

[rkmsuf]

Murder She Wrote in high def!

[Butter]

NYPD Blue in...

oh, wait.

[Leonidas]

Over here in England it's the exact opposite. They have a show called Badly Dubbed Porn that runs at 11pm on weekends that is exactly what it sounds like. They take pornos and dub over really silly dialogue. No coitus is shown, but everything else is. Meanwhile when they show the WWE, the cut out scenes where people bust chairs over heads or use any kind of a weapon. It really is a 180 on the violence and sex attitudes on TV over here, which is one of the things they get on their high horse to give themselves some sort of moral superiority over Americans. Oh, and FWIW a guy gunning down 32 people also gives them ammo to get on a high horse over gun control. America is being viewed as the wild west over here right now.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Over here in England it's the exact opposite. They have a show called Badly Dubbed Porn that runs at 11pm on weekends that is exactly what it sounds like. They take pornos and dub over really silly dialogue. No coitus is shown, but everything else is. Meanwhile when they show the WWE, the cut out scenes where people bust chairs over heads or use any kind of a weapon. It really is a 180 on the violence and sex attitudes on TV over here, which is one of the things they get on their high horse to give themselves some sort of moral superiority over Americans. Oh, and FWIW a guy gunning down 32 people also gives them ammo to get on a high horse over gun control. America is being viewed as the wild west over here right now.

Same thing in Belgium, really. They ran R-rated movies and even soft core porn on some channels (late at night) that were unedited. In clothing stores there were sometimes giant pictures/posters of topless women on the walls.