LA Times sportwriter looking to change......

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

his sex.........

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-oldmike26apr26,0,588768,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Butter]

Uh, wow. Very interesting.

[Critch]

Is there a before photograph so we can judge whether he's going to turn out hawt or not?

[Ksyrup]

Wait...I'm confused. How'd he get Julia Louis-Dreyfuss to play him?

[Mustang]

Is there a before photograph so we can judge whether he's going to turn out hawt or not?

And somehow, someone on the board will still make a case to do 'Christine' before Kathy Griffin...

[Ksyrup]

I wouldn't fuck Kathy Griffin with Christine's dick.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I wouldn't fuck Kathy Griffin with Christine's dick.
THAT WAS JUST UNCALLED FOR!

[stevew]

I wouldn't fuck Vikki Lewis with it either.

[stevew]

Is there a before photograph so we can judge whether he's going to turn out hawt or not?

looked for one, but came up empty handed in my search.

[CamEdwards]

I'm just wondering why his last name is changing as well.

[Mustang]

I'm just wondering why his last name is changing as well.

Penner is too close to Penis.

[Ksyrup]

I guess this puts a new spin on the old female in the locker room quandry.

[flounder]

When I clicked on this thread, I was thinking it would be TJ Simers.

[SackAttack]

I'm just wondering why his last name is changing as well.

He's marrying a woman who's also changing gender?

[Pumpy Tudors]

When I clicked on this thread, I was thinking it would be TJ Simers.
When I saw this post, I was thinking you typed "BJ Symons."

[flounder]

When I saw this post, I was thinking you typed "BJ Symons."

As I was typing my post I was thinking of AJ Simon.

[dawgfan]

Wow - that had to be incredibly tough for him/her to admit and publicize. Props.

[Desmond]

Oh for the love of Lucy. I love dressin up in womens clothes and pretending i'm a dirty little minx as much as the next guy, but is all this stuff really neccesary?

Have you ever seen a transformed vagina? It's not a vagina, it's an open wound. This dude plans on going thru years of surgery to make him look like something, that if you've ever seen a transexual, is not a woman. He'll turn out looking like a man with tits. And at 40 friggin years he'll be sexual for about 20 years and then turn into a grandmapa with all sorts of medicines and crap to take wondering why on earth you didn't just keep your stick and let it be.

I don't even applaud his coming out in the open with this. If it's your bag then cool, I hold nothing against you. But lets be serious here, nobody needs to know that you want a gashunt and manboobs. Write your column, go home and put on your frillies and let your wife put a strap on to ya if that's what gets you off, best to ya, but I need to be told that this is some sort of couragous thing your doing by telling us this what you want.

If a dude could have surgery and come out looking like Rachel Bison i'm sure we'd all go for it, but we would end up looking like Rosie O'Donnell with a beard and I don't see how anyone, man or woman could be happy with that.

[DanGarion]

Wow - that had to be incredibly tough for him/her to admit and publicize. Props.

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[DanGarion]

Oh for the love of Lucy. I love dressin up in womens clothes and pretending i'm a dirty little minx as much as the next guy, but is all this stuff really neccesary?

Have you ever seen a transformed vagina? It's not a vagina, it's an open wound. This dude plans on going thru years of surgery to make him look like something, that if you've ever seen a transexual, is not a woman. He'll turn out looking like a man with tits. And at 40 friggin years he'll be sexual for about 20 years and then turn into a grandmapa with all sorts of medicines and crap to take wondering why on earth you didn't just keep your stick and let it be.

I don't even applaud his coming out in the open with this. If it's your bag then cool, I hold nothing against you. But lets be serious here, nobody needs to know that you want a gashunt and manboobs. Write your column, go home and put on your frillies and let your wife put a strap on to ya if that's what gets you off, best to ya, but I need to be told that this is some sort of couragous thing your doing by telling us this what you want.

If a dude could have surgery and come out looking like Rachel Bison i'm sure we'd all go for it, but we would end up looking like Rosie O'Donnell with a beard and I don't see how anyone, man or woman could be happy with that.
So you have experience with transgender / transsexual hookers?

[dawgfan]

Oh for the love of Lucy. I love dressin up in womens clothes and pretending i'm a dirty little minx as much as the next guy, but is all this stuff really neccesary?

Have you ever seen a transformed vagina? It's not a vagina, it's an open wound. This dude plans on going thru years of surgery to make him look like something, that if you've ever seen a transexual, is not a woman. He'll turn out looking like a man with tits. And at 40 friggin years he'll be sexual for about 20 years and then turn into a grandmapa with all sorts of medicines and crap to take wondering why on earth you didn't just keep your stick and let it be.

I don't even applaud his coming out in the open with this. If it's your bag then cool, I hold nothing against you. But lets be serious here, nobody needs to know that you want a gashunt and manboobs. Write your column, go home and put on your frillies and let your wife put a strap on to ya if that's what gets you off, best to ya, but I need to be told that this is some sort of couragous thing your doing by telling us this what you want.

If a dude could have surgery and come out looking like Rachel Bison i'm sure we'd all go for it, but we would end up looking like Rosie O'Donnell with a beard and I don't see how anyone, man or woman could be happy with that.
:rolleyes:

[jeff061]

I'm sure he's aware of that and I'm reasonably certain not you, I or most people would understand his train of thought. He's wired differently upstairs, he said so himself.

So why the hell would someone pretend to know what's best for him and write a brain numbing post about it.

Anyone can tell he wrote that article more for himself than for us.

edit: in response to Desmond, of course. I was too slow :(.

[Easy Mac]

I wonder if s/he's ever called a player out for not having any balls.

[Desmond]

Whatever. He wrote about it and his newspaper published it. I don't care if it was for him, me or Bobby McGee, it's in a national publication.

I respect that the guy is different, he feels that he's a woman, that's cool beans with me.

But he isn't gonna come out of this surgery a woman. He's gonna have implants or drug induced bitch tits and a gaping wound where his penis used to be.

Him being a woman is in his brain and like I said, i'm down with that, but people are mightlily fooling themselves if they believe that medical science is even close to gender transformation on some sort of tangible level.

Maybe I am overreacting to the fact that he feels the need to shout it from his mountain but I do indeed know a few transexuals who wished they hadn't had the surgery and it does upset me to see so many people thinking it's viable solution to their mental state of dissaray.

[Desmond]

So you have experience with transgender / transsexual hookers?

Could be. It's dark in there.

[dawgfan]

Whatever. He wrote about it and his newspaper published it. I don't care if it was for him, me or Bobby McGee, it's in a national publication.

I respect that the guy is different, he feels that he's a woman, that's cool beans with me.

But he isn't gonna come out of this surgery a woman. He's gonna have implants or drug induced bitch tits and a gaping wound where his penis used to be.

Him being a woman is in his brain and like I said, i'm down with that, but people are mightlily fooling themselves if they believe that medical science is even close to gender transformation on some sort of tangible level.

Maybe I am overreacting to the fact that he feels the need to shout it from his mountain but I do indeed know a few transexuals who wished they hadn't had the surgery and it does upset me to see so many people thinking it's viable solution to their mental state of dissaray.
I think you're missing the point and/or don't put any stock into the idea that gender identification is housed in the brain and doesn't necessarily conform to your body parts.

This person clearly identifies as a woman - after years and years of fighting it and going through therapy, she has decided to undergo multiple processes to make her body match her mind. You might think gender transformation surgery is a waste of time, and that's fine, but it is clearly something she wants to do and has undoubtedly spent much time considering.

And the reason she is writing about it is to explain why her byline will change in a few weeks, as well as acting as another form of therapy. You have no obligation to read the article, so the idea that this person is "shouting it from the mountain" is hyperbole.

[Tigercat]

I actually respect Desmond's point of view, even if I am not sure I totally agree with it. Should every women that wants breast implants to improve their self image do so?

As Desmond implies, is a female body that one secretly knows isn't a true female body truly going to be good enough for someone like this? In the back of their mind even when they know what it really is?

And if they can settle for what it is, and accept things as they are, why not except one's self for what one is BEFORE the big surgery? Good for him/her if it makes him/her happy; but I have to wonder, as Desmond seems to be wondering, if gender changing surgeries are really the right way to go for all or most people in this situation.

[Tigercat]

Dola, I did enjoy reading the article though, and the honesty included in it.

[Desmond]

I actually respect Desmond's point of view, even if I am not sure I totally agree with it. Should every women that wants breast implants to improve their self image do so?

As Desmond implies, is a female body that one secretly knows isn't a true female body truly going to be good enough for someone like this? In the back of their mind even when they know what it really is?

And if they can settle for what it is, and accept things as they are, why not except one's self for what one is BEFORE the big surgery? Good for him/her if it makes him/her happy; but I have to wonder, as Desmond seems to be wondering, if gender changing surgeries are really the right way to go for all or most people in this situation.

That's exactly what i'm trying to say. I admit i can be overly jockular, but yeah, thats my point in a better more concise (although less humurous :) ) way

[st.cronin]

I admit I don't really know, but isn't the track record for the psychological health of transgendered folk really terrifying? I think there may be an ethical issue here, on some level.

[dawgfan]

I admit I don't really know, but isn't the track record for the psychological health of transgendered folk really terrifying? I think there may be an ethical issue here, on some level.
I'm not sure I'm following your point - are you talking about transgender folks' mental health before or after sexual reassignment surgery?

[st.cronin]

I'm not sure I'm following your point - are you talking about transgender folks' mental health before or after sexual reassignment surgery?

After. I mean, obviously before its also not a happy story, or else there would be no market for the surgery.

[dawgfan]

I actually respect Desmond's point of view, even if I am not sure I totally agree with it. Should every women that wants breast implants to improve their self image do so?
AFAIC, so long as doing so doesn't constitute a serious health risk, the woman in question is a fully-developed adult and can clearly understand the consequences of that decision (i.e. they're not mentally retarded or in a state of severe mental illness/delusion), then yes, if that's what they want to do.

As Desmond implies, is a female body that one secretly knows isn't a true female body truly going to be good enough for someone like this? In the back of their mind even when they know what it really is?
It appears that this person has lived 40+ years of extreme mental anguish with a male body that doesn't fit her mental state, so I doubt gender reassignment could be worse (unless the surgery is butchered perhaps).

And if they can settle for what it is, and accept things as they are, why not except one's self for what one is BEFORE the big surgery? Good for him/her if it makes him/her happy; but I have to wonder, as Desmond seems to be wondering, if gender changing surgeries are really the right way to go for all or most people in this situation.
What I don't get about this line of thinking is it seems to presume that the people in question that undergo this process and the therapists and doctors that assist them don't know what they're doing and just jump right into the procedure, when this is almost certainly not the case.

[dawgfan]

After. I mean, obviously before its also not a happy story, or else there would be no market for the surgery.
Ah. If there is a track record of terrifying psychological health among post op transgendered folks, then that's obviously a serious red flag. Do you have some evidence that this is in fact the case?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

You can put a bow tie on a Ford, but that don't make it a Chevy.

[Karlifornia]

The worst part about this is the new sitcom it's going to inspire:


The New Adventures of New Christine

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I have a friend who is really screwed up about his sexuality because he started dating a "woman" who turned out to have been a transexual.

The "woman" is now messing with his head saying "she" is a woman now, just like any other. "She" says that if he liked "her" before he found out that it should make no difference now.

I could care less if guys are gay. Being gay has nothing to do with mutilating your body to appear more like a woman. I can't call a guy who cuts his unit off a woman no more than I can call an amputee a woman. Having surgery doesn't change who you are. A man who get's it lopped off is no more a woman than the guy who has had hundreds of surgeries to put in implants to look like a cat is actually a member of the feline family.

[dawgfan]

I have a friend who is really screwed up about his sexuality because he started dating a "woman" who turned out to have been a transexual.

The "woman" is now messing with his head saying "she" is a woman now, just like any other. "She" says that if he liked "her" before he found out that it should make no difference now.

I could care less if guys are gay. Being gay has nothing to do with mutilating your body to appear more like a woman. I can't call a guy who cuts his unit off a woman no more than I can call an amputee a woman. Having surgery doesn't change who you are. A man who get's it lopped off is no more a woman than the guy who has had hundreds of surgeries to put in implants to look like a cat is actually a member of the feline family.
This issue has nothing to do with being gay. Gay men and gay women are comfortable with their gender. People with gender identity disorder are not - they literally feel like they are women trapped in man's body or a man trapped in a woman's body.

[st.cronin]

Ah. If there is a track record of terrifying psychological health among post op transgendered folks, then that's obviously a serious red flag. Do you have some evidence that this is in fact the case?

None at all, like I said I don't actually know anything about this. I have read a thing or two over the years, and the impression I took away was what I suggested. But its just an impression, not actual knowledge.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

This issue has nothing to do with being gay. Gay men and gay women are comfortable with their gender. People with gender identity disorder are not - they literally feel like they are women trapped in man's body or a man trapped in a woman's body.

I agree completely. I just don't know that a surgical procedure should give someone the right to change who they are, when in all reality you can't. It's like Michael Jackson wanting to be 12 years old...

[st.cronin]

I agree completely. I just don't know that a surgical procedure should give someone the right to change who they are, when in all reality you can't. It's like Michael Jackson wanting to be 12 years old...

Exactly. Or if there was an operation that could make me 7'2", as befits my personality.

[Tigercat]

I agree completely. I just don't know that a surgical procedure should give someone the right to change who they are, when in all reality you can't. It's like Michael Jackson wanting to be 12 years old...

Age and gender aren't the same thing. Age is a finite measurement, gender is not. What gives you the right to define someone else's gender for them by saying its knowable and set in stone at all times? What about hermaphrodites? Should they go to other people, such as yourself, and get permission for the gender they choose to identify with?

[Izulde]

Speaking of hermaphrodites, Jeffery Euginedes' novel Middlesex is a fascinating look at gender identification issues. (He also wrote The Virgin Suicides, which people are probably more familiar with.)

[DanGarion]

I have a friend who is really screwed up about his sexuality because he started dating a "woman" who turned out to have been a transexual.

The "woman" is now messing with his head saying "she" is a woman now, just like any other. "She" says that if he liked "her" before he found out that it should make no difference now.

I could care less if guys are gay. Being gay has nothing to do with mutilating your body to appear more like a woman. I can't call a guy who cuts his unit off a woman no more than I can call an amputee a woman. Having surgery doesn't change who you are. A man who get's it lopped off is no more a woman than the guy who has had hundreds of surgeries to put in implants to look like a cat is actually a member of the feline family.

Well the problem with this, is the woman should have laid out this information when they met your fried, not after they were dating.

[Wolfpack]

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/brian/inlines/07_stan.jpg

FRANCIS:
Why are you always on about women, Stan?
STAN:
I want to be one.
REG:
What?
STAN:
I want to be a woman. From now on, I want you all to call me 'Loretta'.

[John Galt]

Here were the comments from a transsexual that I bet a few people on the board here know and read regularly: http://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=345

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Here were the comments from a transsexual that I bet a few people on the board here know and read regularly: http://baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=345

Still a dude.


Anyome who thinks I'm an unaccepting dick, just respond with "I'd hit it." :D

[Desnudo]

I think it's safe to assume that if he's a sportwriter, she will not be hot.

[Anthony]

i agree wholeheartedly with Desmond. while i (thankfully) have no personal experience with transgenders, i do know that cutting off a penis does not make a man a woman. it just makes a man without male genitalia. some of you may or may not know, but the way doctors make a man into a woman is not so much chopping off the penis, contrary to popular belief, but they simply remove the penile tissue and invert the shell of the penis inside the body cavity to make what is supposed to be a vagina. i don't know about you, but of all the vagina's ive seen and had experience with - they didn't ever make me stop and say "hey, it looks like an inverted penis!".

so rather than going from point A to point B, which would be the desired effect, it's more like going from point A to point AB. neither one or the other. if wanting to transform oneself into a woman was as simple as removing a penis, then yes, mission accomplished, but i think in this case it's more of removing oneself as far as one can get from one sex and trying to get as close as one can get to the other, but not actually ever fully getting to that destination. i can only assume that at some point in the vast amount of therapy one needs to go through for something like this they actually see what their (non) genitalia would look like, i'm sure it's no surprise post-surgery where they say "oh my God, what the hell happened down there?". while i have no desire to see a transgender vagina, i'm sure it looks nothing like an actual one, so i'm sure while he sits in therapy and sees examples of what he'll have between his legs he still accepts it's not quite female but very much not male. and it's probably the "not very much male" part that is enticing.

but i also don't see the need to make this grand proclamation. i can't stand this point in time in our humanity, when people feel they have to be so supportive and accepting of everyone and everything. i really don't like where this civilization is heading.

[jeff061]

But you have no idea how it effects them emotionally, which is what it's all about. Physically, no kidding, I doubt they'd disagree with you.

I mean, I don't have feelings one way or another for transgenders, but the blackhole of logic by some posters in this thread is a bit annoying.

but i also don't see the need to make this grand proclamation. i can't stand this point in time in our humanity, when people feel they have to be so supportive and accepting of everyone and everything. i really don't like where this civilization is heading.
Back to this logic thing. The guy has been hiding it for 40 years, announcing it to the world absolves him of that burden, whether people support him or not.

[Pyser]

i agree wholeheartedly with Desmond. while i (thankfully) have no personal experience with transgenders, i do know that cutting off a penis does not make a man a woman.

just pointing out transsexual and transgender are 2 different things. this guy is transsexual.

[dawgfan]

A bunch of bullshit
Wow, I find it shocking that HA is clueless on this matter.

but i also don't see the need to make this grand proclamation. i can't stand this point in time in our humanity, when people feel they have to be so supportive and accepting of everyone and everything. i really don't like where this civilization is heading.
I have some real concerns about where our civilization is heading as well, but this issue is not one of them.