Werewolf XLVI - Sun And Shadow (Game Thread) - Game Over! Cultists win!

[Swaggs]

Alan, can you explain your color coding?

I feel like I should be a little more validated than the other members of my color group.

[Chief Rum]

Maybe its a case of you not being around to discuss the points during the day and then the pile on for in my eyes no reason of me yesterday afternoon that makes a small thing turn into something bigger. Either way, I clearly stated all of the reasons why i felt your ideas were bad, every single one of them, and I gave you the decency to have time to respond to them all (I even stated so in my post) in an effort to draw discussion. You didn't come back to respond though until almost time to leave, dropped one post criticizing me for misrepresenting all of your ideas, not really being open to discussion and then you left. Which in effect did just what you accused me of.

Then several others jump on me without good reasons, made up stories about what I was saying, told half-truths and tried to pick me apart without even touching the things that I was arguing about. That seemed really fishy, very fishy in fact.

For whatever its worth, for my night action, I didn't do anything towards you. I'm open once again today for discussion just like I was yesterday, but the one thing I won't tolerate is people jumping on for no reason. Yes I get critical of others in these games, but I never insult, I never curse and I always keep it civil and you know that. I got critical yesterday of people jumping out of the woodwork yesterday to support me (for what I can tell is no good reason), and I got critical of a few of the people who jumped out to bash me (for what I can tell no good reason). So if you're around today we can debate your ideas more if you would like. I still think though that:

A) Giving the shadow a list of who has mundane abilities to target is bad which is why I cautioned against it when you asked people who had them
B) Purposely voting good guys to cleanse when it brings the shadow closer to the goal without trying to get a hit on a shadow player is also counter-productive. We wouldn't do it in other games, we shouldn't here.

Those were the points that I made yesterday and I still haven't seen anyone give me any reason to feel otherwise. And I still don't have any clue if you are a cultist corrupted by the shadow or not.

Alan, my schedule is pretty clear on days when I work both jobs. I leave in the morning, I don't get home until past midnight. The reason you don't see me posting most of the day is, of course, because I am at work. And the reason you don't see me arguing your points between 3 a.m. and 10 a.m. my time is because, of course, I am sleeping. I generally only have one chance in the morning of days like that to read through what was posted, respond if needed, and then make a decision on votes and even night actions (since I am home after the night phase is run). I'm sorry if that schedule doesn't leave room for a lengthy discussion of my plan, but, realy, my posts are quite long enough as it is. I am not one who spares the detail. So I can't think you're going to get much more from me than what you read in my posts about plans and such. I don't really leabe much to mystery there.

As to point A, my impression is that the mundane abilities are more like accentuators. They can help, but none are big abilities. They are relatively noncritical. I didn't think nor ever advocated that specific abilities be revealed. I was just wondering if we all had them. I was trying to see if it was something we needed to take into account, much as we have been trying to do with items and magical roles. Mundane abilities stay with the person even after being cleansed. I have the impression these are light strength abilities. If I am wrong, then yes, we shouldn't talk about them. But the nature of the game suggests they are noncritical, just aids to add to the game, IMO.

I also thought everyone would have one. It turns out that's not the case, so I am less willing now to advocate revealing that we have them.

For point B, my main issue with your response yesterday was your misleading assumption I was talking about some 4-5 guys being cleansed, which is silly. I would have hoped you would have seen there was no way I would support that. Clearly, my hopes were unanswered. The fact you jumped to that conclusion and blew it up so big seems out of character and suggests you had an ulterior motive to paint me as wolfish. I'm not saying you did, but you went to great lengths to establish that, and that's not what I said at all. It is quite simply completely misreading what I posted.

The only question is whether you did it on accident or on purpose. Then when I pointed out to you that you had misrepresented what I said, instead of reviewing my plan post and seeing your error, you put your head down like a bull and stuck to your guns, damn the evidence contrary to what you suggested. It is that bullheadedness and your description of my response as "backpedaling" that really ticked me off. As I said late last night, I don't have a problem if you don't like the plan. I do have a problem if you willfully appear to choose to misrepresent what I said. If you did that as some sort of game emchanic, fine. But if you did that because you chose to be stubborn and not review what I had posted, then shame on you.

Some points on the plan you also didn't seem to focus on. It was only a contingency plan, if we had no idea who Shadow was, meaning we were facing some random vote once more. It was only a plan presented to place value in what would otherwise be another Day One-like random vote. As it appears that enough information is coming out to give us some good candidates, I don't think we need to follow my plan.

As noted above, I only thought maybe one or at most two times would we want to consider using it in the manner I suggested

I never said we should all reveal our roles as part of this plan. I in fact have come out against mass-revealing roles. This is why I thought we could have a volunteer. Only each individual player will truly know if their role is noncritical and whether they have the type of analytical and debate skills that would be useful as a trusted player. It was never my intent to give the Shadow any more information by which to whittle down who has critical roles. One person revealing a noncritical role and then being cleansed isn't so big a hint, IMO, to who has the big roles, especially given what we would gain (a strong member of a growing COT).

This is not a game to compare to other wolf games. Would we follow a plan like this in other games? Of course not, because the person so targeted would be dead. Here, they are still here, contributing and via cleansing, in fact untouchable. Heck, they could even have their role restored by magic.

Long (long, long) story short, I don't advocate this plan now. But I feel you leaped on what you didn't like about it and then threw me under the bus and anyone who dared to agree with me. And I think you erred terribly in that. That sorta thinkign will get people lynched who are perfectly fine cultists. I just think yesterday you were being particularly defensive and bullheaded in a situation that didn't call for it. This is a unique game. We may need to consider unique ideas, and rejecting things out of hand without, IMO, properly considering them isn't going to help us.

This is the last I will post about the plan unless someone wants to actually do it (which, once again, I now do not support).

[hoopsguy]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

[Mustang]

VOTE NIGHTFALL

i'm going to eat and ponder something in light of what has been brought to light in the past hour.

I'd rather not vote nightfall.

I have 2 options I want to do tonight but, limited input.

1. Give the potion of power to Schmidty

2. We hole up in the ritual room and I use my spiritmaster ability

3. ?

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...I like to be stingy. its in my nature. at least one other person knows my role and has said he is fine with me being trusted.

I don't want to reveal too much about anyone in a game with a conversion mechanism so strong. but I have alluded to my role several times if that helps

[Alan T]

I'd rather not vote nightfall.

I have 2 options I want to do tonight but, limited input.

1. Give the potion of power to Schmidty

2. We hole up in the ritual room and I use my spiritmaster ability

3. ?

I still am nervous about you giving a potion that could be potion of darkness to someone with an important role.

[hoopsguy]

In terms of the "Rum plan" - if at some point we are deliberating on putting it into play I'll throw my name out there as someone who could probably have as much benefit cleansed as active.

I would encourage others to NOT volunteer. If we come across a day where we are stuck without any meaningful leads, then go ahead and consider me non-critical. Just know that you will have a 0% chance of getting a Shadow, based on my allegiance at the time I'm typing this post.

I'm putting this out there as a potential conversion defense - if the Shadow wants to convert me at some later point in the game they will have to factor this into their decision tree.

[Alan T]

alan...I like to be stingy. its in my nature. at least one other person knows my role and has said he is fine with me being trusted.

I don't want to reveal too much about anyone in a game with a conversion mechanism so strong. but I have alluded to my role several times if that helps

I haven't seen anyone vouch for you as far as I remember, and am basing any trust of you on your action today.

[path12]

2. We hole up in the ritual room and I use my spiritmaster ability



I'll put out there that I'm not so sure I want to do this. I think I'd rather have any shadows/sympathizers have to guess where I might be.

[Mustang]

I still am nervous about you giving a potion that could be potion of darkness to someone with an important role.

It would take 2 nights to find that out minimum and 3 to use. I believe the researcher would need to steal it, then identify then dose it.

You might as well worry about anyone giving or using a potion then. At least I'm being upfront about it.

[Swaggs]

In terms of the "Rum plan" - if at some point we are deliberating on putting it into play I'll throw my name out there as someone who could probably have as much benefit cleansed as active.

I would encourage others to NOT volunteer. If we come across a day where we are stuck without any meaningful leads, then go ahead and consider me non-critical. Just know that you will have a 0% chance of getting a Shadow, based on my allegiance at the time I'm typing this post.

I'm putting this out there as a potential conversion defense - if the Shadow wants to convert me at some later point in the game they will have to factor this into their decision tree.

Wouldn't we rather get a known Sun member than a cultist?

[Alan T]

Long Post

Chief, I honestly feel that I was fair in my criticism of the plans and still feel strongly about the points I made. I don't see any need to go into them further now either, but did want to respond in that if you look back, I was open for discussion about the plan, and only ended up jumping to vote for you after I suddenly ended up in the vote lead based on people saying I was misconstruing your plan, which is something I did not do at all. I then voted for you based on self preservation more than anything at the time.

Like I showed last night, I much more suspected the people who jumped on me with what I felt not due cause than I did you, and went after them. I guessed wrongly however in that Tyrith was the one who piled on me that was bad it appears and I feel Barkeep is good, and Path appears to be good based on what Ntndeacon says.

When two people jump on me, vote for me with reasons that I don't feel were true (considering I hadn't voted for you and hadn't done much more than show my concerns about your plan and willingness to wait to talk to you more about it), of course it caused me to become defensive.

I don't believe at any time this morning before DaddyTorgo's reveal did I come out championing you as the person to lynch today, and the only thing close to that which I have done is state how important it is for DaddyTorgo to indeed vouch for you if he feels 100% that you are good (which he has done). I don't feel at all that I was stubborn about anything other than not being willing to go along with a plan that I felt was faulty.

[ntndeacon]

Ntndeacon, who did you use your magical role on night 1? Last night I assume was Path?

The first night I used it on you, but was told you slept through the night. it wouldn't let me pick up anything else.

[Swaggs]

I am out until about 8:00 PM.

See you all later.

[Alan T]

It would take 2 nights to find that out minimum and 3 to use. I believe the researcher would need to steal it, then identify then dose it.

You might as well worry about anyone giving or using a potion then. At least I'm being upfront about it.

Then my suggestion would be to give it to one of the people who are less important. Worst case, they get corrupted, best case they help us find a shadow player. I still am concerned about it being a potion of darkness

[Alan T]

Wouldn't we rather get a known Sun member than a cultist?

I agree, there have been two different people state they know who one of the sun members are. You and I think BrianD. Would much rather sacrifice one of them than a cultist.

[path12]

Then my suggestion would be to give it to one of the people who are less important. Worst case, they get corrupted, best case they help us find a shadow player. I still am concerned about it being a potion of darkness

Give it to the alchemist and let them check it out. Then we can give it to Schmidty if we so desire.

[DaddyTorgo]

alan...I think swaggs feels okay but he isn't even the one I was talking about.

I have no fear of a full reveal if we feel that would be in all our best interest I will. but I am fairly certain our last shadow lies in your "red" group - CR. just playing the numbers. and I don't know if anyone can vouch for ntn to narrow that down more...

i don't know that my reveal would clear anyone new, just might make things more clear

[Mustang]

I'll put out there that I'm not so sure I want to do this. I think I'd rather have any shadows/sympathizers have to guess where I might be.

? Can you hide?

I'm not 100% sure that the Shadow has to say, Look in Alchemy for Mustang to convert and if I'm not there, it doesn't go through.

Thought they would just have to say convert Mustang then it goes off the percent chance.

[Mustang]

Give it to the alchemist and let them check it out. Then we can give it to Schmidty if we so desire.

Is handing it over an option.

Dose is but, that I believe is feeding them the potion and not handing it to them.

[Mustang]

Also, SnDvls isn't proven so, I'm not just handing over it to an unproven person even if I could.

[Alan T]

alan...I think swaggs feels okay but he isn't even the one I was talking about.

I have no fear of a full reveal if we feel that would be in all our best interest I will. but I am fairly certain our last shadow lies in your "red" group - CR. just playing the numbers. and I don't know if anyone can vouch for ntn to narrow that down more...

i don't know that my reveal would clear anyone new, just might make things more clear

Can you rephrase this statement for me? Reading the bold part makes me feel that you are now accusing CR whom I thought you just vouched for...

[Alan T]

oh, I think you mean my red group minus CR.. ok gotcha

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I honestly feel that I was fair in my criticism of the plans and still feel strongly about the points I made. I don't see any need to go into them further now either, but did want to respond in that if you look back, I was open for discussion about the plan, and only ended up jumping to vote for you after I suddenly ended up in the vote lead based on people saying I was misconstruing your plan, which is something I did not do at all. I then voted for you based on self preservation more than anything at the time.

Like I showed last night, I much more suspected the people who jumped on me with what I felt not due cause than I did you, and went after them. I guessed wrongly however in that Tyrith was the one who piled on me that was bad it appears and I feel Barkeep is good, and Path appears to be good based on what Ntndeacon says.

When two people jump on me, vote for me with reasons that I don't feel were true (considering I hadn't voted for you and hadn't done much more than show my concerns about your plan and willingness to wait to talk to you more about it), of course it caused me to become defensive.

I don't believe at any time this morning before DaddyTorgo's reveal did I come out championing you as the person to lynch today, and the only thing close to that which I have done is state how important it is for DaddyTorgo to indeed vouch for you if he feels 100% that you are good (which he has done). I don't feel at all that I was stubborn about anything other than not being willing to go along with a plan that I felt was faulty.

Fair enough. I can understand self-preservation. I never thought you were in serious danger (you never had more than two votes if I recall right, and I had two votes right away), but I understand what happens to oneself is going to impact more than what is happening to others.

I still think you tend to lock into an idea and when someone debates you on it, you haven't been so willing to reconsider things. Perhaps that is a wrong impression, but it is a very strong one I have of you. To each their own.

[Chief Rum]

oh, I think you mean my red group minus CR.. ok gotcha

lol, that threw me, too.

[Alan T]

Well speaking of the red group, I went back and read some of the stuff ntn has said through yesterday and today.. I think I know what role he is claiming to have, and if he is a shadow player, he's being very consistant with his story. i don't see many holes in it. He was one of the ones I felt off about yesterday for magically thinking I was good, or at least vouching for my story that I put in no night 1 order.

I can't say he's not shadow, but I feel better about him than other people in the red group right now...

[Mustang]

Then my suggestion would be to give it to one of the people who are less important. Worst case, they get corrupted, best case they help us find a shadow player. I still am concerned about it being a potion of darkness

And if it is the potion of power it is wasted.

Nice

What sense does that make?

[Chief Rum]

V OTE TYRITH

VOTE PUNISHMENT

Is there a need to go into reasons why? Way to go, DT.

I will be leaving now, but I will return later today before the deadline (about 2-3 hours from now). I don't work both jobs today like I did Monday-Tuesday.

[Mr. Wednesday]

The reason for my drive-by vote is slightly complicated. I got up later than I wanted to this morning, but I still wanted to check in on things before going to school. I saw no reason to hold back on the vote given the information presented.

In addition to sleeping in the chamber of rest last night, I attempted to search the Alchemy Closet, but I didn't find anything.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, I think our chances of closing this out tonight are pretty good. We've been extremely lucky in not only picking off two Shadow in two days, but apparently blocking a conversion attempt last night as well.

[SnDvls]

Also, SnDvls isn't proven so, I'm not just handing over it to an unproven person even if I could.

that's good because I can't do jack with it....give it to the role that can.

[Alan T]

And if it is the potion of power it is wasted.

Nice

What sense does that make?

Well I stated yesterday my opinion was the potion of power if someone had one should go to Kwhit. It would then give us our ritualist back, and more importantly someone who we know 100% is clear who can protect us.

I do concede that its debatable that it might be better to give it to someone who can "track down evil" but I'm thinking from a risk/reward standpoint. The only thing I wonder is what a potion of darkness would do to someone who is cleansed thus still making me afraid to use it without validation of what it is.

I just think we have the upper hand right now, we don't need to hit a home run, we need to make sure we don't give up runs. I would rather play cautious and careful then be risky and suddenly end up with 2-3 shadow players and no one cleared again.

[Mustang]

I just think we have the upper hand right now, we don't need to hit a home run, we need to make sure we don't give up runs. I would rather play cautious and careful then be risky and suddenly end up with 2-3 shadow players and no one cleared again.

Understandable, which is why I suggested also holing up in the ritual room and using my ability which should offer some level of protection for at least 2 nights which will afford people with other abilities to do their work. After 2 nights, I'm spent and you guys can cleanse me all you want.

Should be pretty darn easy to verify if everyone is in the same room and I use the spirit ability. If I don't or can't, not like the real spirit guy can't step up.

[SnDvls]

Well I stated yesterday my opinion was the potion of power if someone had one should go to Kwhit. It would then give us our ritualist back, and more importantly someone who we know 100% is clear who can protect us.

I do concede that its debatable that it might be better to give it to someone who can "track down evil" but I'm thinking from a risk/reward standpoint. The only thing I wonder is what a potion of darkness would do to someone who is cleansed thus still making me afraid to use it without validation of what it is.

I just think we have the upper hand right now, we don't need to hit a home run, we need to make sure we don't give up runs. I would rather play cautious and careful then be risky and suddenly end up with 2-3 shadow players and no one cleared again.

this is the best idea I've heard of yet. Mustang give the potion as a dose to either ITC or Kwhit. I honestly don't want anyone to know as then it doesn't give the shadow a 100% shot at one of them again only 50/50 then we'll know if it's cursed or not. We'll even know by the shadow count we get to start the day.

[Alan T]

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed

4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
9) Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo vouches for him.
12) hoopsguy - Vouched as having role by Swaggs. Slept night 1 so couldn't convert Kwhit
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (unproven)
3) ntndeacon - Given hints to role (unproven)
5) Swaggs - claims to have Sun Amulet = Wizard? (unproven)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)


11) Mr. Wednesday -
15) Tyrith - EVIL!

So breaking down the risk group by group.
Joe, Schmidty and Lathum have proven their ability without doubt I feel. I proved mine, but Barkeep says he can't vouch for it due to what he used last night.

Barkeep I feel pretty good about is not shadow. DaddyTorgo says the same about Chief Rum, Ntndeacon says the same about Path. Hoopsguy has had people do various interaction wit him, but nothing really standing out that helps "clear him" in Swaggs or anyone else's mind yet.

Both BrianD and DaddyTorgo appear to have the village's best interest in mind with their actions, but neither have been vouched for by anyone thus far and arguably could have given up a teammate to gain trust.

I feel ok with Ntn and Swaggs in this group right now. All four have claimed roles, but no one can vouch for these roles. Mustang and Sndvls seem a little more iffy right now in this group to me, but it will be hard to validate anyone here without more information.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not going to argue for Brian and I, cuz we're not in danger or anything, but man we'd be wolves with some huge balls if we gave up converts on the first 2 days. it'd be ridiculously gutsy.

i trust brian. i believe he trusts me as well.

and yes, i meant "the red group minus chief rum"

[DaddyTorgo]

does anyone have any thoughts as to who i should look at tonight to verify their role? someone who will be using their ability, preferably in the dark green group? mustang? ntn? swaggus? sndvls?

[Mustang]

this is the best idea I've heard of yet. Mustang give the potion as a dose to either ITC or Kwhit. I honestly don't want anyone to know as then it doesn't give the shadow a 100% shot at one of them again only 50/50 then we'll know if it's cursed or not. We'll even know by the shadow count we get to start the day.

For a guy that doesn't want the Shadow numbers to swell, this seems like a bad idea.

So, I give ITC or KWhit the potion, It IS the potion of darkness, then the Shadows get a conversion that night and you have 3 total. Then I'm in the same boat because I have to attempt to convince someone that KWhit or ITC is now a Shadow when you don't trust me in the first place????

[Alan T]

For a guy that doesn't want the Shadow numbers to swell, this seems like a bad idea.

So, I give ITC or KWhit the potion, It IS the potion of darkness, then the Shadows get a conversion that night and you have 3 total. Then I'm in the same boat because I have to attempt to convince someone that KWhit or ITC is now a Shadow when you don't trust me in the first place????


If you feel that way, then maybe the safe play is to just hold it for a bit longer. Im not sure how the researcher role works, but if he searches for a potion of darkness would he find it in your posession if it really was one? The rules seem to indicate He has some way of doing so.

[SnDvls]

does anyone have any thoughts as to who i should look at tonight to verify their role? someone who will be using their ability, preferably in the dark green group? mustang? ntn? swaggus? sndvls?

you can look at me, but I won't be using my ability tonight as I already have made my 2nd potion and I don't plan on drinking this one yet.

[SnDvls]

For a guy that doesn't want the Shadow numbers to swell, this seems like a bad idea.

So, I give ITC or KWhit the potion, It IS the potion of darkness, then the Shadows get a conversion that night and you have 3 total. Then I'm in the same boat because I have to attempt to convince someone that KWhit or ITC is now a Shadow when you don't trust me in the first place????

I would think doing this would bring trust wouldn't you? You seem hell bent on not earning other's trust, but to do your own agenda which could be more harmful to the cult than our other ideas.

[ntndeacon]

I will be using my role tonight. as I have each night.

[Joe]

I would not be able to tell if it was a potion of darkness unless I had it. I could search for a potion, but not know if it was dark. I could try to steal it and then identify it, but I think usage would come before steals in the night.

[Lathum]

I am out until after the deadline. I plan on hexing Mr. Wednesday tonight unless something changes

[path12]

I will be using my role tonight. as I have each night.

As will I.

[Mustang]

I would think doing this would bring trust wouldn't you? You seem hell bent on not earning other's trust, but to do your own agenda which could be more harmful to the cult than our other ideas.

Hell bent on not earning others trust when I've given my role and also the potion that I've found???

If I had my own agenda, I wouldn't have said squat about the potion.

[Mustang]

I'll be in the ritual room.

I'll be using my role.

Anyone wants to go to the ritual room so be it..

[Mustang]

If you feel that way, then maybe the safe play is to just hold it for a bit longer. Im not sure how the researcher role works, but if he searches for a potion of darkness would he find it in your posession if it really was one? The rules seem to indicate He has some way of doing so.

I'm not sure. Technically, I believe a potion would be seen as named until used.

Guess Peregrine would need to make the call on this one. At this point, I will be holding onto it and just using my role in the ritual room.

[Tyrith]

/me stops caring

[Mr. Wednesday]

/me stops caring
Look at the bright side... you'll be joining us on the winning side. :D

[Mr. Wednesday]

Could Mustang just pass the potion to Joe so that Joe could then examine it?

[Peregrine]

Searching for a Potion of Darkness would be futile. Basically I'm not giving out potions knowing they'll be Darkness, I'm just rolling a die every time someone drinks them, and there's a small chance it will have been tainted and be Darkness.

Also, there's no mechanic in the rules for publically trading items. Someone could steal it from someone else though.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Searching for a Potion of Darkness would be futile. Basically I'm not giving out potions knowing they'll be Darkness, I'm just rolling a die every time someone drinks them, and there's a small chance it will have been tainted and be Darkness.
Isn't that a modification? The description of the Researcher role says, "You can also identify if a potion is a Potion of Darkness."

[Peregrine]

Isn't that a modification? The description of the Researcher role says, "You can also identify if a potion is a Potion of Darkness."

No. If the Researcher has a potion, I roll the die BEFORE he drinks it, and let him know the result.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, this is my late afternoon check in (or early afternoon in my neck of the woods). After this, I will be out for the day.

It doesn't seem that much has changed. I can confirm that Alan cast a spell last night. I can also confirm I used my power on the first night, as DT suggested. I don't think saying more at this time is beneficial to the cult. I welcome anyone who wants to watch what I do, though.

My vote is already in, so I don't have anything else to add. Not sure where I will sleep yet.

BTW, sleeping/hexing/preventing actions stops conversions--but it also stops attempts to find conclusive proof of anything. I just wanted to note that we can stop a conversion by these actions, but we can't prove someone is a baddie conclusively unless we catch them in the act or am able to find their role in other ways.

I am torn on whether it is best to try to stop a bunch of players from taking their actions as opposed to allowing them to do their thing--but then having their actions watched.

Since I don't have an inhibiting power, I'll leave that decision to those who do (Lathum, Alan, whoever else).

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry I made today so straightforward and boring...LOL

[DaddyTorgo]

gonna have some good questions for tyrith once he is cleansed. that should clear some stuff up

[Barkeep49]

Around for a bit. Doesn't seem like the conversation moved forward much in my absence. We have, I feel, way too many people cleared and think that after tomorrow we need to scrap Alan's list as regardless of whether or not there are bad guys on it, sticking too closely to a list, which turned out to be wrong, is how the good guys got in trouble in X-Men. We're way up as of today. However, I feel like we're going to have a few days set backs as finding that one last shadow member is going to be somewhat difficult.

[Alan T]

Around for a bit. Doesn't seem like the conversation moved forward much in my absence. We have, I feel, way too many people cleared and think that after tomorrow we need to scrap Alan's list as regardless of whether or not there are bad guys on it, sticking too closely to a list, which turned out to be wrong, is how the good guys got in trouble in X-Men. We're way up as of today. However, I feel like we're going to have a few days set backs as finding that one last shadow member is going to be somewhat difficult.

In my mind, there are 7 people cleared. Do you feel this is too many?

As of right now i would be very suprised if the last bad guy was in the group of:

Kwhit
Imthecrew
Joe
Lathum
Schmidty
Alan T
Barkeep

So for me thats 11 people not cleared grouped together by types of risk. If people think that everyone not in red on this list is cleared, then they are too distracted by the pretty colors and haven't read the accompanying commentary :)

As of right now, I agree with the thought from whoever suggested that Mr.W isnt the last shadow player and is purposely playing it in a way we'll throw attention at him and waste it instead of trying to find the right shadow. I just have to assume the real last shadow player would put more effort into trying to blend in than he has been doing. I think the last shadow person will be found in the dark green or orange groups. With a very far reach of possibly being DT or BrianD, but I sure hope thats not the case.

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed

4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
9) Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo vouches for him.
12) hoopsguy - Vouched as having role by Swaggs. Slept night 1 so couldn't convert Kwhit
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (unproven)
3) ntndeacon - Given hints to role (unproven)
5) Swaggs - claims to have Sun Amulet = Wizard? (unproven)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)


11) Mr. Wednesday -
15) Tyrith - EVIL!

[Barkeep49]

I like the list you put forth except I'm not quite sure Joe belongs on it. Otherwise I think that's a pretty solid list. Hopefully we can gain information about three people tonight, either by narrowing down the field or by eliminating them as possible shadow.

Out until after lynch at baseball.

[Mustang]

I'd really hope that me being in the ritual room and using my spiritmaster role would eliminate me as a suspect when the counter is at 1. If it goes to 2.. quite honestly, all bets are off on alot of people. I sure couldn't use my role if I was a Shadow.

Plenty of ways to verify this.

[path12]

I'd really hope that me being in the ritual room and using my spiritmaster role would eliminate me as a suspect when the counter is at 1. If it goes to 2.. quite honestly, all bets are off on alot of people. I sure couldn't use my role if I was a Shadow.

Plenty of ways to verify this.

I don't mean anything by this, but I always look askance at the players who are trying to pimp their innocense.

[Mustang]

I don't mean anything by this, but I always look askance at the players who are trying to pimp their innocense.

I'm not pimping my innocence. I'm saying what I'm doing tonight.

And then if that doesn't clear me.. not sure what the hell will

[DaddyTorgo]

that would certainly be enough. I think if there are plenty of people in the ritual room that will make it easier to get a handle on who outside the room could possibly be doing the converting.

[path12]

Spiritmaster - You have expertise in speaking with spirits and the dead. Twice per game you can summon up spirits that will protect the room you're in, guarding against any intrusion at night.

Clarification needed. Does this prevent those in the room from performing their magical roles? Until I am sure the answer is no, I will not be in the ritual room tonight. If the answer is yes, I may change my mind.

But now I'm out until after deadline.

[Alan T]

I like the list you put forth except I'm not quite sure Joe belongs on it. Otherwise I think that's a pretty solid list. Hopefully we can gain information about three people tonight, either by narrowing down the field or by eliminating them as possible shadow.

Out until after lynch at baseball.


See my reasoning for Joe that I put forth earlier. He's demonstrated his magical role moreso than probably anyone else in the game at this point. I still stand by the thought that Varification of USING your magical role = not shadow. Which he has done I feel.

[Mr. Wednesday]

5) Swaggs - claims to have Sun Amulet = Wizard? (unproven)
I'd be somewhat surprised if he were lying about this. There are a bunch of ways that this could go wrong — the wizard steps forward, the signifier finds his statement to be false, the researcher finds someone else in possession of it — but I suppose it could be done out of desperation.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Clarification needed. Does this prevent those in the room from performing their magical roles? Until I am sure the answer is no, I will not be in the ritual room tonight. If the answer is yes, I may change my mind.
I think it protects against anyone entering the room from the outside, but doesn't prevent anything from happening within it.

[Peregrine]

I think it protects against anyone entering the room from the outside, but doesn't prevent anything from happening within it.

That's correct.

[Mustang]

I think it protects against anyone entering the room from the outside, but doesn't prevent anything from happening within it.

But, from what Peregrine said, higher chance of detecting Shenanigans and goings ons...

[Schmidty]

I've had a hectic day, but I made it before the deadline.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to report this before, but unfortunately, I didn't find anything last night.

[Schmidty]

Can anyone give me a very short synopsis of what happened today? I want to vote, but there's no time for me to read everything before the dealine.

[Schmidty]

Well, after a quick skim, I get the impression that Tyrith is bad, for whatever reason. So here is my late, half-assed vote:

Vote Tyrith

Vote Punishment

[Alan T]

I've had a hectic day, but I made it before the deadline.

I'm sorry I wasn't able to report this before, but unfortunately, I didn't find anything last night.

Schmidty, you are one of my favorite WW players :) You did tell us earlier this morning, I think you forgot! :)

Just got my PM.

I wasn't able to "latch onto" the shadow energies tonight.

But I'm alive, which makes me a bit consoled.

[DaddyTorgo]

meta-game wise I of course want tyrith's net-connection fixed...but how much would it suck if it wasn't and he wasn't around?

walkin the dog...getting coffee...then I will be on

[Schmidty]

Schmidty, you are one of my favorite WW players :) You did tell us earlier this morning, I think you forgot! :)

I was tired. :D

[Tyrith]

VOTE MERCY

I must at least give it an effort, yes?

[Peregrine]

After the revelations of the day, Tyrith was on the block and voted for without any question. He struggled a bit, and no one was very surprised to see the Shadow energy pouring out of him once the ritual was started. By the flavor of his magic you're sure he was the Sorceror. The Shadow has been dealt another blow today.


1) Mustang
2) BrianD
3) ntndeacon
4) Joe
5) Swaggs
6) Barkeep49
7) Kwhit - Ritualist/Shadow - Cleansed Day 2
8) Lathum
9) Chief Rum
10) Schmidty
11) Mr. Wednesday
12) hoopsguy
13) DaddyTorgo
14) ImTheCrew - Summoner - Cleansed Day 1
15) Tyrith - Sorceror/Shadow - Cleansed Day 3
16) Path12
17) Alan T
18) SnDvls

[Alan T]

Well so much for Mr.W being the Sorceror... So would that mean he is possibly the Artificer? Or do people think he actually has a chance of being the final shadow?

Tyrith since you are here, anything you care to share with us? Are you sympathetic to our cause now?

[Tyrith]

Mhm.

Last shadow is the artifacer. He was the dude that got caught night 1; I was sleeping in the sitting room. I also burned my once per game extra action that night to search the alchemy room and found nothing.

[Alan T]

Mhm.

Last shadow is the artifacer. He was the dude that got caught night 1; I was sleeping in the sitting room. I also burned my once per game extra action that night to search the alchemy room and found nothing.

I don't fully understand this message. So you are saying the last shadow was actually the one who converted Kwhit, while you were asleep?



Also for Peregrine... Once a former shadow is cleansed do they have to be sympathetic to our cause? Or do we have to take everything said here with a grain of salt? The role of the artificer leads me to believe that Tyrith would now be sympathetic to our cause and it would be ungamey to purposely mislead us. Is this a safe assumption?

[Joe]

I don't fully understand this message. So you are saying the last shadow was actually the one who converted Kwhit, while you were asleep?



Also for Peregrine... Once a former shadow is cleansed do they have to be sympathetic to our cause? Or do we have to take everything said here with a grain of salt? The role of the artificer leads me to believe that Tyrith would now be sympathetic to our cause and it would be ungamey to purposely mislead us. Is this a safe assumption?

My understanding is that they must be sympathetic to our cause unless they are the artificer, because it explicitly says:


Artificer - You were the first to study the artifact, and a trickle of shadow energy made its way to you, despite the seals. It has been working through you enough that you believe embracing it would be the ultimate source of power. Each night you can make an action to study one player and determine if they have been embraced by the Shadow or not. You want to protect them, and hope to become one in time. Also, if you are cleansed, you are still loyal to the evil side, and don't have to confess their names.

[Alan T]

A second question for Peregrine... Can both the Sun agents and the cultist win? If the shadow is defeated before any Sun agents are revealed, does that mean both groups win? Or does the Sun victory condition override the cultist victory condition?

ie: do we need to reveal a member of the sun agents before removing the shadow to win?

[Alan T]

My understanding is that they must be sympathetic to our cause unless they are the artificer, because it explicitly says:

Thats what I assume also.. I just wanted to clarify, because if I am understanding Tyrith correctly, then the shadow player that remains is the person who converted Kwhit on night 1, which would instantly thrust Hoops into the cleared group as well.

[Peregrine]

Yes, except for the artificer, once anyone is cleansed of the Shadow it's assumed they return to their old loyalties.

And yes, both the cultists and the Sun can win.

[Tyrith]

No, night 1 we both targeted KWhit. Which was a mistake, in retrospect, but at the time I was thinking that 50 percent wasn't a sure conversion, and we wanted to concentrate to make sure we got someone.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think if Mr. W is lying about being the sorcerer, unless anyone else comes forward claiming to be the sorcerer we must act to block him tonight explicitly, and assume that he is the final shadow.

I havn't really seen anything to indicate otherwise.

[Alan T]

I think if Mr. W is lying about being the sorcerer, unless anyone else comes forward claiming to be the sorcerer we must act to block him tonight explicitly, and assume that he is the final shadow.

I havn't really seen anything to indicate otherwise.

......

[Alan T]

Tyrith was the Sorceror DT

[Mustang]

Now is a good time for everyone to claim roles. If we want a complete victory, if we know who the artificer is, we could keep him pinned down and then try to hunt the Sun.

Or, go for the victory... Although, guess it is possible that they were lying to Tyrith just in case he was killed and they could send Tyrith and us on a wild goose chase for the artificer.

Although, no one has claimed that role....

[Mustang]

Also, where does Mr. W explicitly hint or say he is the sorceror?

[DaddyTorgo]

I thought someone inferred that Mr. W was claiming the sorcerer role and i'd just missed it because he's been quiet. My bad. Waiting on a PM from Peregrine btw

[Alan T]

Tyrith, how does the conversion work then if both of you target the cultist? Do you get a message back specifically saying you converted the person, or the other person converted them? Or do you get no message at all back?

[DaddyTorgo]

I will reveal that I am the Diabolist

[DaddyTorgo]

dola

in case I hadn't hinted enough to make that clear

[Mustang]

So, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Swaggs, NTNDeacon, BrianD, Path12, Hoopsguy& Mr W have not said any roles but, BrianD outed Kwhit, Hoopsguy was asleep when Kwhit was converted (and so was Tyrith so, couldn't be Hoopsguy), DT Vouches for Chief Rum, Barkeep was blocked so.. if we are to believe everyone's role at this time that leaves...

Swaggs, NTN, Path12, MrW...

[DaddyTorgo]

wish peregrine had answered my PM.

[hoopsguy]

So, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Swaggs, NTNDeacon, BrianD, Path12, Hoopsguy& Mr W have not said any roles but, BrianD outed Kwhit, Hoopsguy was asleep when Kwhit was converted (and so was Tyrith so, couldn't be Hoopsguy), DT Vouches for Chief Rum, Barkeep was blocked so.. if we are to believe everyone's role at this time that leaves...

Swaggs, NTN, Path12, MrW...

Not too hard to pin down Swaggs, based on the tales he has told ...

[path12]

So, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Swaggs, NTNDeacon, BrianD, Path12, Hoopsguy& Mr W have not said any roles but, BrianD outed Kwhit, Hoopsguy was asleep when Kwhit was converted (and so was Tyrith so, couldn't be Hoopsguy), DT Vouches for Chief Rum, Barkeep was blocked so.. if we are to believe everyone's role at this time that leaves...

Swaggs, NTN, Path12, MrW...

I've said from the beginning I don't plan to reveal either my magical or mundane role unless absolutely necessary. I feel that is to my benefit. I also think that someone paying attention to my posts could figure it out by now.

[path12]

Dola. My benefit = cultists benefit. Stupid no edit button.

[ntndeacon]

So, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Swaggs, NTNDeacon, BrianD, Path12, Hoopsguy& Mr W have not said any roles but, BrianD outed Kwhit, Hoopsguy was asleep when Kwhit was converted (and so was Tyrith so, couldn't be Hoopsguy), DT Vouches for Chief Rum, Barkeep was blocked so.. if we are to believe everyone's role at this time that leaves...

Swaggs, NTN, Path12, MrW...

did it just not matter that I vouched for path? he has a role and I have seen it used in my dreams.

[path12]

It makes me a little nervous that this role speculation always leads towards Mr. W. Seems too easy.

[DaddyTorgo]

so we're down to Mr. W then if that's the case. Seems very easy...

[hoopsguy]

Path, for what it is worth we should have a better idea tomorrow on MrW.

If Lathum sleeps him he won't be able to convert. The remaining Shadow would be living very dangerously to think about converting MrW. So if he is around tomorrow he would probably move close to the front of the list in terms of trust. Or at least that is how I view it if we have two Shadow tomorrow and no good leads. Hopefully we don't find ourselves in that spot ...

[Swaggs]

So, Barkeep, Chief Rum, Swaggs, NTNDeacon, BrianD, Path12, Hoopsguy& Mr W have not said any roles but, BrianD outed Kwhit, Hoopsguy was asleep when Kwhit was converted (and so was Tyrith so, couldn't be Hoopsguy), DT Vouches for Chief Rum, Barkeep was blocked so.. if we are to believe everyone's role at this time that leaves...

Swaggs, NTN, Path12, MrW...

As I have said, I am the Wizard.

And, I can prove it by turning over a member of the Sun, because I found one last night with my night action.

[Lathum]

I still plan on hexing Mr. Wednesday tonight.

I'm not sure where I will be sleeping

[Lathum]

I am the warlock, btw. Duh.

[path12]

Then we shall see what tomorrow brings. My night actions are in.

[Tyrith]

For the record, I'm mailing it in from here on out. I'll vote with hoops unless people scream at me not to, likely.

[Alan T]

Warlock - 8) Lathum
Alchemist - 18) SnDvls
Diabolist - 13) DaddyTorgo
Ritualist - 7) Kwhit
Spiritmaster - 1) Mustang
Researcher - 4) Joe
Sorceror - 15) Tyrith
Summoner - 14) ImTheCrew
Augur - 10) Schmidty
Theurgist - 17) Alan T
Witch - 3) ntndeacon
Wizard - 5) Swaggs

Enchanter -
Craft Mage -
Elementalist -
Medium -
Artificer -
Signifier -

2) BrianD
6) Barkeep49
9) Chief Rum
11) Mr. Wednesday
12) hoopsguy
16) Path12

[Alan T]

Well Lathum is taking the #1 suspect tonight, I'm trying to figure out who to go for as well. It won't be Barkeep as I know first hand I blocked him last night. BrianD is living off of his reveal of Kwhit and thats it. Ntn is pretty adament about Path's innocence. DaddyTorgo is fairly strong about Chief Rum, Hoopsguy was asleep on night 1 when Tyrith was also asleep...

So if its not Mr.W then someone's off on their trust of someone else.

[DaddyTorgo]

we should make sure we have Mr. W blocked then so he can't convert (if someone can do that type of thing). So that we don't end up with another person converted.

[Lathum]

we should make sure we have Mr. W blocked then so he can't convert (if someone can do that type of thing). So that we don't end up with another person converted.

umm. I already sent in the order to put him to sleep.

am I missing something?

[Mr. Wednesday]

I think if Mr. W is lying about being the sorcerer
I've never claimed to be the sorceror. In fact, aside from confirming that I do have a magic role, I've refused to reveal what it is, or what I've been doing with it.

[Mr. Wednesday]

No, night 1 we both targeted KWhit. Which was a mistake, in retrospect, but at the time I was thinking that 50 percent wasn't a sure conversion, and we wanted to concentrate to make sure we got someone.

How was it a mistake? I mean, it obviously would have been better if you'd chosen to target someone else, but the real problem (from the Shadow point of view) is that KWhit was nailed immediately — you weren't going to get more than one conversion under any circumstances.

[Barkeep49]

I'm on that list. Looking at that list I'm somewhat hesitant to reveal when it feels like the two seer roles are there. If I reveal my role it seems to give the Shadow a better chance of getting one of those roles. If people feel strongly in my doing a role reveal, I will, but I'd really rather not.

[DaddyTorgo]

sorry lathum. Just making sure it's done, that's all.

[DaddyTorgo]

I wouldn't think it'd matter at this point barkeep.

tyrith said the last shadow was the artificer, right? So we know that. And we have a pretty good idea of most people's roles. If we don't block the last shadow and get him tomorrow and he fails to convert then I think we do it since we can have him on the block. If he gets a conversion it's a bit murkier but probably still a good play, as it wouldn't hurt.

But a lot of people have abilities or tools that can discover roles. So we could still hit on it that way

[Barkeep49]

Just to make sure we're all on the same page:

I'm blocking CR, Lathum is blocking Mr. W, right? Who is Alan blocking?

[BrianD]

Well Lathum is taking the #1 suspect tonight, I'm trying to figure out who to go for as well. It won't be Barkeep as I know first hand I blocked him last night. BrianD is living off of his reveal of Kwhit and thats it. Ntn is pretty adament about Path's innocence. DaddyTorgo is fairly strong about Chief Rum, Hoopsguy was asleep on night 1 when Tyrith was also asleep...

So if its not Mr.W then someone's off on their trust of someone else.

I am not the artificer. I'll say it again tomorrow during the day if anyone the signifier wants to verify that statement.

[hoopsguy]

I'm not the Artificer. Swaggs would have had the opportunity to out me as that if it was my role. He has stated that I do not hold one of the two Cult roles that are sympathetic to the Shadow.

[DaddyTorgo]

The person who knows my role would reveal me if I were the artificer.

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, coming back to your point on the "role for good" not in the game - any more to say on this point? Has the role you referenced been claimed by someone?

[hoopsguy]

Tyrith, can you provide some insight on your role?

1. What power did you have as Sorcerer?
2. How was it enhanced by being with Shadow?
3. Were you the original Shadow or the 2nd one?
4. How much communication did you do with the other Shadow via the secured channel? Based on that communication were you able to make any guesses as to who the player might be?

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, coming back to your point on the "role for good" not in the game - any more to say on this point? Has the role you referenced been claimed by someone?
Definite follow up but I'd like to see how tonight shakes out before commenting. The conditions might be right for me to explain more about this tomorrow.

[hoopsguy]

Will do on commenting tomorrow, although a conversion tonight upsets the trust apple cart a fair amount. If it is anything that could help with this evening I would encourage talking about it earlier rather than later. But it is your role, your knowledge, and as such I won't push too hard on this point.

[Barkeep49]

Will do on commenting tomorrow, although a conversion tonight upsets the trust apple cart a fair amount. If it is anything that could help with this evening I would encourage talking about it earlier rather than later. But it is your role, your knowledge, and as such I won't push too hard on this point.
Understood, though my information isn't changing, though of course your trust in me to present it might.

[Peregrine]

The night passes peacefully for the most part, with many of you sleeping in the same room. There are no major disturbances during the night.

When you wake, the Seer informs you that the Shadow Count is 1.

Also, because a couple of people asked, everyone slept in the Ritual Room except the following players - Joe, Chief Rum, Swaggs, Lathum, Barkeep49, and Schmidty.

[path12]

We will find a shadow tonight.

[Chief Rum]

What happens when your magic role is blocked? Because I think mine was last night, and wanted to confirm. I guess that would confirm what BK said he could do, although I wish he had switched to someone less vouched. My role helps the cultists, and I couldn't use it last night.

But that might also be for other reasons I am not aware.

[Peregrine]

If you role is blocked, and you try to use it, you'll be notify that something is blocking you.

[Chief Rum]

If you role is blocked, and you try to use it, you'll be notify that something is blocking you.

Thanks. How weird then.

Theory #2. My target has a way of avoiding me. I will have to review the roles to see if there is a fit.

[Chief Rum]

Another question. Would I know if a potion or item was used on me?

If not, then I have a guess what happened, although it runs contrary with what I believe this person said he would do tonight. I will have to review his posts to be sure.

[Alan T]

For the record, I ended up blocking Hoopsguy last night with my power. I also used my one time per game ability to search through Mr.W's stuff but found nothing. I also obviously slept in the ritual room.

I'm assuming that Lathum's blocking Mr.W is what kept our count at 1.. Can anyone confirm he's our guy?

[Joe]

Last night I searched for the triune pyramid, but was unsuccessful.

[hoopsguy]

Since we are still at one Shadow today, I'm comfortable talking about my role and why Chief may have had some difficulties acting on me.

I'm the Elementalist. That whole ability to move between rock and stone means that I'm not the easiest guy to target with actions, as is noted in the role description about being able to avoid the Ritualist. I took an action last night to search the Kitchen, but slept in the Ritual Room (as noted already by Peregrine). Those actions are consistent with what I have done every night so far - I have searched the Kitchen - although last night was my first time sleeping in the Ritual Room.

I also observed someone acting against Mr. Wednesday and struggled to identify them, but believe (not 100% certain) it was Alan T.

[hoopsguy]

Never mind, re-read of posts show that Alan acted against me, not Mr. W.

So I don't have anything to tell Chief about his experience. But I did not receive any notification that Alan blocked my power. As Elementalist, I don't really have a power, except freedom of movement. Alan, did you get any kind of notice that you successfully blocked me?

[hoopsguy]

Argh - re-post one more time.

Never mind, re-read of posts show that Alan acted against me, not CHIEF RUM.

So I don't have anything to tell Chief about his experience

[Alan T]

Never mind, re-read of posts show that Alan acted against me, not Mr. W.

So I don't have anything to tell Chief about his experience. But I did not receive any notification that Alan blocked my power. As Elementalist, I don't really have a power, except freedom of movement. Alan, did you get any kind of notice that you successfully blocked me?


Just like yesterday I am told that I use my power to block you. It doesn't tell me anything of the effect or results, just that I use it for that. Also your comment about observing someone acting against Mr.W, I already stated that I used my once per game ability to do both my role + a mundane action to also search Mr.W while he slept. He didn't have anything on him that I found however. So if you saw that, it probably was me searching him while he slept soundly.

[Mustang]

Those actions are consistent with what I have done every night so far - I have searched the Kitchen

What are you looking for.. Pizza? :p :D

[Alan T]

Hoops, how do you know that Chief tried to use his role against you last night? I didn't see him say that in his posts.

[Mustang]

Other than a good nights sleep, nothing odd happened for me last night.

[Alan T]

Something I would love to understand better today is what Barkeep meant that one of the better roles wasn't in the game. So far I don't see anything to steer us away from the 18 people = 18 roles listed

[hoopsguy]

I misread the poster - he had two in a row and then you said that you used your role against me. I thought it was a third Chief post in a row, then saw it was you who posted that.

Based on my PM, I had zero knowledge of people trying to use a role against me. So I was not told that my role was blocked, as Peregrine indicated in replying to Chief Rum. That was my state of mind when replying initially, then I re-read the posts and realized it was you who set out to use their role on me, not Chief Rum. Posting hilarity/stupidity ensued.

[Alan T]

Other than a good nights sleep, nothing odd happened for me last night.

You used your protection of the room like you said right? Did you not have any information from stuff that occured within it? I was under the impression you had a higher chance of spotting it while protecting the room?

[hoopsguy]

What are you looking for.. Pizza? :p :D

Just figured it was a room that was less likely to have competition searching for items. I don't know how the mechanic works, but if there is only one item per room per night or something like that I figured it would be better to limit the competition when searching. And the Kitchen seemed like the least likely room to search out of those listed, so I've searched it every night.

No Potion of Deep Dish to report :(

[Mustang]

You used your protection of the room like you said right? Did you not have any information from stuff that occured within it? I was under the impression you had a higher chance of spotting it while protecting the room?

Yes, I did use my role and there was nothing else that happened or anything that I noticed.

(I'm not sure if the protection helps everyone notice things better or just me though)

[Alan T]

Yes, I did use my role and there was nothing else that happened or anything that I noticed.

(I'm not sure if the protection helps everyone notice things better or just me though)

Didn't help me notice anything different. As with every other day thus far, I haven't been given any info in my PM other than basically repeating what my request that I sent in was. So I'm pretty oblivious to everything going on around me I guess.

[Peregrine]

Just to clarify any confusion, the blocking ability will block someone's magical role and they will be notified if they use it, but if they didn't use their magical role they won't know that anything happened out of the ordinary.

[Alan T]

Just to clarify any confusion, the blocking ability will block someone's magical role and they will be notified if they use it, but if they didn't use their magical role they won't know that anything happened out of the ordinary.

Based on this then I would guess your role isn't very magical Hoops!

Its really ok being inferior, we won't judge you for it!

[hoopsguy]

This should also explain why I was willing to put myself out there yesterday as the one who would take one for the team if we collectively felt like going that path.

[Peregrine]

One thing I've learned in this game is how much of a pain in the ass it is to deal with 18 night actions and figure out who did what to who, and when. I'm certain mistakes have been made, but I'm doing the best I can.

[Alan T]

One thing I've learned in this game is how much of a pain in the ass it is to deal with 18 night actions and figure out who did what to who, and when. I'm certain mistakes have been made, but I'm doing the best I can.

I can relate totally :) Its all good, I've enjoyed the game so far!

[Alan T]

This should also explain why I was willing to put myself out there yesterday as the one who would take one for the team if we collectively felt like going that path.

Yeah, but I'll go down to my final breath saying that you shouldn't ever concede a lynching purposely lynching one of your own that you -know- is not bad. Its too much like walking in a run on purpose to not pitch to Barry Bonds! Just feels unamerican! :)

[DaddyTorgo]

did anyone see anything in their dreams last night??

also...I would like to know who people think the top couple candidates to be the artificer are at this point. maybe we can smoke them out today.

I slept in the ritual room and used my abilities to discover something that might help us clear one of those uncleared

[Alan T]

did anyone see anything in their dreams last night??

also...I would like to know who people think the top couple candidates to be the artificer are at this point. maybe we can smoke them out today.

I slept in the ritual room and used my abilities to discover something that might help us clear one of those uncleared

I am pretty much assuming Mr.W is our target today, he's really suspect #1 at this point.

Unless someone comes up with some other reason there was no night conversion last night.

[hoopsguy]

Yeah, but I'll go down to my final breath saying that you shouldn't ever concede a lynching purposely lynching one of your own that you -know- is not bad. Its too much like walking in a run on purpose to not pitch to Barry Bonds! Just feels unamerican! :)

I agree it is a sub-optimal strategy and stated such for the first two days of discussion. But when the topic wasn't going away I decided that I would put myself out as the option if enough people wanted to go that way. About the only time I would think about it is if we got a situation near the end of the day where a critical role revealed in a way that granted trust, and we needed to move the vote off him before deadline instead of going "Mercy" - maybe we wanted him to have his power that night or something like that.

I still would rather take a shot at a Shadow, but could understand going in this direction if we were feeling particularly lost. And I would stay involved with the game and analyze after being cleansed if it went that way.

As is, I'm hoping this is a moot point because we are going to wrap this up today.

[Alan T]

As far as I am aware, 3 people had actions blocking them last night:

Mr.W
Chief Rum
Hoopsguy

and we have no reports of conversion attempts being blocked.

My guess is we punish Mr.W and get our last shadow, if not then pretty likely its in one of the other two people who were blocked last night.

I am assuming anyone with scanning roles last night used them on Mr.W so I am hoping we have some form of information from that.

[ntndeacon]

did anyone see anything in their dreams last night??

also...I would like to know who people think the top couple candidates to be the artificer are at this point. maybe we can smoke them out today.

I slept in the ritual room and used my abilities to discover something that might help us clear one of those uncleared

just on the chance we were wrong I looked at Mustang. It seems his job is as he described it.

[DaddyTorgo]

well listen...lemme throw this out there...I have a one-tme option to scan during the day but it uses all my power and exhausts me so I get no more uses...do we want to use that on mr w first to be sure? or on hoops to be sure?

cuz I can tell if they are the artificer before we lynch that way

[Alan T]

Made some updates to the colorful lists from yesterday. With Ntn vouching for Mustang's role moved him to the lime green group. Placed Hoops in the dark green group as claiming a role. Swaggs should be able to vouch that Hoops's role is what he says it is when he gets on in a bit. ALso moved Tyrith to the now brown group

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed
15) Tyrith - Cleansed

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (vouched by Ntndeacon)
4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
9) Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo vouches for him.
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith

3) ntndeacon - Given hints to role = Witch? (unproven)
5) Swaggs - Claims Wizard (unproven)
12) hoopsguy - Claims Elementalist (Vouched as having a role by Swaggs.)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)

11) Mr. Wednesday -

[hoopsguy]

DT, since I'm one of the people being considered as a secondary target I'm not sure how much my opinion counts. But I think we are looking to end the game today, given that there have been no conversions for two days running and we have been able to maintain our trust list far longer than expected. I would use the power.

I would have the Signifier check a statement on another person to try and eliminate them from consideration for today. And hopefully between that 1-2 punch and info listed last night we can feel very good about our chances for the vote today.

[Alan T]

well listen...lemme throw this out there...I have a one-tme option to scan during the day but it uses all my power and exhausts me so I get no more uses...do we want to use that on mr w first to be sure? or on hoops to be sure?

cuz I can tell if they are the artificer before we lynch that way

I wouldn't waste it all today. I would have assumed you scanned mr.w last night. I don't think its worth throwing all of your energy into a one time scan that renders you useless after. My guess is we go to punish Mr.W today unless we find some reason not to, and if he somehow doesn't turn up as a shadow, we block people who were blocked last night again.

DT who can you clear as well? You said it was someone previously not uncleared?

[hoopsguy]

Alan, for your chart you might as well list Diabloist against DaddyTorgo as he has claimed it and his actions are consistent with my understanding of the role.

[hoopsguy]

Also, is there another person out there who knows about the Mask of Whispers at this point? Just wondering if it is still being used in the background ...

[hoopsguy]

Barkeep, can we return to the "role is missing" discussion at this time?

[KWhit]

Barkeep, can we return to the "role is missing" discussion at this time?


Yes, yes.

[Alan T]

Barkeep, can we return to the "role is missing" discussion at this time?

I asked about that earlier this morning too, I'm curious about it.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm going to agreewith hoop on this one alan. my power is ONLY good to dind out roles. not even if they are being used. and there aren't that many people left w/o roles. so if I scan w and he is not artificer then that will clear him and narrow the list to someone else the signifier or whoever can check on thenarrower list.

no point in saving my power...I mean I guess I could scan sndvls or something to be sure he isn't the artificer in hiding...but I think scanning w tells us a great deal

[DaddyTorgo]

whoops...forgot to post I think...ntn is who he says he is role-wise

[Alan T]

whoops...forgot to post I think...ntn is who he says he is role-wise

Well technically ntn never really came out and said who he was, just hinted at it. I put my guess to it based off of those hints :)

[Alan T]

I'm going to agreewith hoop on this one alan. my power is ONLY good to dind out roles. not even if they are being used. and there aren't that many people left w/o roles. so if I scan w and he is not artificer then that will clear him and narrow the list to someone else the signifier or whoever can check on thenarrower list.

no point in saving my power...I mean I guess I could scan sndvls or something to be sure he isn't the artificer in hiding...but I think scanning w tells us a great deal

Its your role, so I wont tell you how to use it. :) I always assume there is going to be some twist that throws us off though, and it can't be this easy to wrap up.

[hoopsguy]

DaddyT, can you give me a quick recap of your actions night by night? Because I'm trying to reconcile Diabloist with the players you have vouched for, as well as this new option you have this morning. I think you have played a pretty up-front game - this isn't intended as some kind of trap - but I want to make sure because I'm probably missing something.

Night 1 - Chief
Night 2 - Tyrith
Night 3 - NTN

Is this accurate?

[hoopsguy]

Alan, any reason why I would have seen you kneeling over a sleeping MrW last night? It sounds like I could have misidentified you, but the info I have indicates that you were doing something I could not make out.

[Alan T]

Alan, any reason why I would have seen you kneeling over a sleeping MrW last night? It sounds like I could have misidentified you, but the info I have indicates that you were doing something I could not make out.

Seek and ye shall find

For the record, I ended up blocking Hoopsguy last night with my power. I also used my one time per game ability to search through Mr.W's stuff but found nothing. I also obviously slept in the ritual room.

I'm assuming that Lathum's blocking Mr.W is what kept our count at 1.. Can anyone confirm he's our guy?

Just like yesterday I am told that I use my power to block you. It doesn't tell me anything of the effect or results, just that I use it for that. Also your comment about observing someone acting against Mr.W, I already stated that I used my once per game ability to do both my role + a mundane action to also search Mr.W while he slept. He didn't have anything on him that I found however. So if you saw that, it probably was me searching him while he slept soundly.

[Lathum]

OK, just got caught up.

I slept in the Kitchen last night and hexed ( my last one) Mr. Wed.

This obviously validates hoops' story since I would asume it was me he saw while he was searching.

Other then that nothing exciting. It never seems this easy but I see no reason not to go for Mr. Wednesday at this point.

[Alan T]

Swaggs, i see you around right now, can you validate Hoops' claim of his role?

[KWhit]

OK, just got caught up.

I slept in the Kitchen last night and hexed ( my last one) Mr. Wed.

This obviously validates hoops' story since I would asume it was me he saw while he was searching.

Other then that nothing exciting. It never seems this easy but I see no reason not to go for Mr. Wednesday at this point.


Why aren't we all sleeping in the same room? I think that would be the best way to keep an eye on each other and make sure no shenanigans are going on.

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, i see you around right now, can you validate Hoops' claim of his role?

I can validate hoopsguy's role as Elementalist from night 1.

I have also identified both Sun members.

[Alan T]

I can validate hoopsguy's role as Elementalist from night 1.

I have also identified both Sun members.

KK thanks. What do people think about outing the sun members? I asked yesterday and Peregrine says cultist and Sun both can win together, so I don't see any reason to alienate them and turn them against us by outing them.

Can anyone come up with a reason to think otherwise?

[Swaggs]

By the way, I noticed this little nugget from the rules:

If the cult members destroy all the Shadow players, or the Shadow is reduced to one player for two consecutive Counts, the cult members win.

So, it looks like we can win if we avoid a conversion between now and tomorrow morning's count.

[Lathum]

Why aren't we all sleeping in the same room? I think that would be the best way to keep an eye on each other and make sure no shenanigans are going on.

trust me when I say I have my reasons

[DaddyTorgo]

KK thanks. What do people think about outing the sun members? I asked yesterday and Peregrine says cultist and Sun both can win together, so I don't see any reason to alienate them and turn them against us by outing them.

Can anyone come up with a reason to think otherwise?

Nope. I was just going to post this. No reason to piss them off and turn them sullen if we can all win together. What happens after we defeat "the wolves" never really matters to me as far as victory conditions, major or minor.

[KWhit]

Nope. I was just going to post this. No reason to piss them off and turn them sullen if we can all win together. What happens after we defeat "the wolves" never really matters to me as far as victory conditions, major or minor.

Same here.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yes Hoops...you are correct about my scan pattern. although technically i didn't "scan" tyrith...i just "used the ring".

*seriously pondering scanning mr. w just so we can be sure of what's going to happen*

[Lathum]

It would be a pretty cagey play for the shadow to purposfely not convert last night knowing we would go for Mr. Wed today if that happened

[Swaggs]

I don't think they really need revealed at this point.

I also think it would not be a bad idea to scan Mr. W if DT has the power. If we are barking up the wrong tree, right now would not be a bad time to know, so that we don't force all of our focus on him and end up losing someone in our "CoT" and are forced to completely restart it.

[Swaggs]

Also, it should go without saying, but hopefully no one is considering using a potion today/tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't think they really need revealed at this point.

I also think it would not be a bad idea to scan Mr. W if DT has the power. If we are barking up the wrong tree, right now would not be a bad time to know, so that we don't force all of our focus on him and end up losing someone in our "CoT" and are forced to completely restart it.


works for me. like i said...once all the roles are out there i'm effectively useless anyways.

[Alan T]

It would be a pretty cagey play for the shadow to purposfely not convert last night knowing we would go for Mr. Wed today if that happened

I can't imagine they would have benefited from that much. I think the only other explanation if Mr.W honestly isn't the last shadow would be the other real last shadow was blocked as well. With Swaggs confirming Hoops's role, that really only leaves Chief Rum as far as I am aware who was blocked last night.

[Mustang]

Also, it should go without saying, but hopefully no one is considering using a potion today/tonight.

Not me.

If the 2 day rule thing is in affect, I plan on repeating my actions of last night.

[DaddyTorgo]

It would be a pretty cagey play for the shadow to purposfely not convert last night knowing we would go for Mr. Wed today if that happened

another reason i don't think it'd be a bad idea for me to check him out. the pool of players with undefined roles is very low if he isn't the artificer

[DaddyTorgo]

I can't imagine they would have benefited from that much. I think the only other explanation if Mr.W honestly isn't the last shadow would be the other real last shadow was blocked as well. With Swaggs confirming Hoops's role, that really only leaves Chief Rum as far as I am aware who was blocked last night.

and CR is not shadow.

so i guess it basically has to be W. I will check and find out

[Alan T]

Just out of curiosity, what has our empath been up to? We haven't heard from him at all, and that could be pretty useful for us to lock up more trust here today.

[DaddyTorgo]

it's done. order sent to peregrine

[Swaggs]

Just out of curiosity, what has our empath been up to? We haven't heard from him at all, and that could be pretty useful for us to lock up more trust here today.

I suspect that the Sun players have roles, but not their powers.

[Alan T]

Just out of curiosity, what has our empath been up to? We haven't heard from him at all, and that could be pretty useful for us to lock up more trust here today.

I went through all 50 of Mr.W's posts and didn't really see anything that an empath could use to scan on him. The best was this from the night Kwhit was converted in the sitting room:

I slept in the sitting room. I'm not aware of anything interesting happening there.

That however could be inconclusive depending on who did it (him or Tyrith), so no idea there.

[path12]

I have a Ring of Shadows. I plan on breaking it tonight to find out our last shadow.

[path12]

Dola, so if we can block a conversion we've got it either way. (ring or two nights with one shadow).

[Alan T]

Today is being rather uneventful.

[BrianD]

Things should get more interesting when we get the report of DT's scan of Mr.W. The game may be over at that point.

[DaddyTorgo]

I have a Ring of Shadows. I plan on breaking it tonight to find out our last shadow.


ummm path...i already used the ring of shadows buddy. you're saying you have another? very doubtful there were 2 of something so powerful to begin with.

or was this...not something that you found?

[DaddyTorgo]

anyone think i should not scan mr. w and scan path instead? i already used the ring of shadows...i doubt there'd be 2 of such a powerful item in the game...

[Barkeep49]

Scan Mr. W. I think that's the smart move.

[Alan T]

Someone refresh my memory, has anyone vouched for DaddyTorgo, other than him giving us Tyrith the other day?

[DaddyTorgo]

not to put them on the spot, but i know several people out there can vouch for me.

[Alan T]

Just checking. you seem to have been avoiding Mr.W alot both last night and today with your comments and I'm not quite sure I understand why. There is only one shadow player left, so its not a case of you + him being bad. I just was curious especially after looking into Path after he had been adamantly vouched for by Ntndeacon (which is more than anyone has done for you)

7) Kwhit - Cleansed
14) ImTheCrew - Cleansed
15) Tyrith - Cleansed

1) Mustang - Claims Spiritmaster (vouched by Ntndeacon)
4) Joe - claims Researcher (possibly validated based on finding an item?)
8) Lathum - Claims Warlock (proven by sleeping Hoops night 1 and Tyrith last night)
10) Schmidty - Claims Augur (proven with the info on Kwhit)
12) hoopsguy - Claims Elementalist (Vouched for by Swaggs.)
17) Alan T - Claims Theurgist (proven by action on Barkeep)

6) Barkeep49 - Blocked by Alan last night, couldn't have attempted conversion on swaggs
9) Chief Rum - DaddyTorgo vouches for him.
16) Path12 - Vouched for by ntndeacon as having some role?

2) BrianD - First to out Kwhit
13) DaddyTorgo - Outed Tyrith (claims Diabolist)

3) ntndeacon - Given hints to role = Witch? (unproven)
5) Swaggs - Claims Wizard (unproven)
18) SnDvls - Claims Alchemist (unproven)

11) Mr. Wednesday -


Signifier -
Medium -
Artificer -
Enchanter -
Craft Mage -

[Mustang]

I went through all 50 of Mr.W's posts and didn't really see anything that an empath could use to scan on him. The best was this from the night Kwhit was converted in the sitting room:


50 msgs and that is the only statement that could be verified with a true or false statement?

Sounds like someone has been covering themselves to make sure they don't have any verifiable info.

[Alan T]

50 msgs and that is the only statement that could be verified with a true or false statement?

Sounds like someone has been covering themselves to make sure they don't have any verifiable info.


Well he had alot of statements, but he didnt commit to what role he had, or really much of what he has been up to the entire game. The only other thing is he had said he had a magical role that he would reveal if a proper time came up..

Which of course was yesterday and he didnt reveal

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, as the Wizard why would you want to turn over the Sun members to us?

Wizard - Despite being in the coven, you've grown increasingly worried about things here, because you're basically a good person and want to get out. Each night as a night action you can check someone to see if they are a member of the Sun faction. You also have a Sun Amulet which gives you a powerful ability - you can't be corrupted by the Shadow.

To me that sounds like there would be a strong possibility of a personal win condition with the Sun members. Is this not the case?

[DaddyTorgo]

okay alan. i guess i just didn't realize the extent to which ntn vouched for path. i'm not complaining...it just seemed curious that there were 2 rings of shadows so quickly. then again on N0 i did call out for the craft mage to start making another (my first hint that i had it) in case we'd need it so i guess it makes sense.

[DaddyTorgo]

well my order is in on w. i didn't avoid him yesterday either...but i wanted to scan ntn to add to the CoT. figured he was slept and that would be enough more evidence on him. plus i sorta was thinking ahead to today and using my ability on him like this

[Swaggs]

Swaggs, as the Wizard why would you want to turn over the Sun members to us?



To me that sounds like there would be a strong possibility of a personal win condition with the Sun members. Is this not the case?

I would rather one of the Sun members be cleansed than one of us. Wouldn't you?

My terms for winning are to avoid being cleansed and see the Shadow defeated.

[hoopsguy]

Swaggs, I definitely would prefer removing Sun before Cultists. I'm just a little surprised that you would based on how I thought the Wizard role would work. Reading the role, it sounded to me like a Sun sympathizer - more like a traditional Sorceror/Cultist role (not the meanings those names have in this game).

[Alan T]

I would rather one of the Sun members be cleansed than one of us. Wouldn't you?

My terms for winning are to avoid being cleansed and see the Shadow defeated.

Interesting. I don't have any special individual victory conditions at all, and was a bit shocked when you said this. Looking at the rules though I see it says there are some individual victory conditions as well.

[Alan T]

Swaggs, I definitely would prefer removing Sun before Cultists. I'm just a little surprised that you would based on how I thought the Wizard role would work. Reading the role, it sounded to me like a Sun sympathizer - more like a traditional Sorceror/Cultist role (not the meanings those names have in this game).

I am assuming the same as you, that his ability to search for them is to help him in protecting them from the lynch, and not as much to reveal who they are to us.

Right now I am assuming Barkeep is one of the sun agents as well, and not sure on the other but leaning towards Chief right now.

[Alan T]

Oh, given Swaggs's stance on day 1, I guess it probably isn't chief actually. but I do think barkeep is one of them.

[Swaggs]

I know of two members of the Sun.

As I have said, I'm happy to give them to you.

[Alan T]

I know of two members of the Sun.

As I have said, I'm happy to give them to you.

I don't really see the point right now. I'm merely speculating out of boredom and no one else talking about anything interesting :)

[Alan T]

I merely guess Barkeep because of his refusal to talk about his early comment about one of the roles being missing, thinking that it might line up with the comment someone else made that perhaps sun agents received roles but they can't use them. Thus Barkeep getting a big role that he can't use..

Or something along those lines. You'd be suprised at all the neat things I can make up in my head when bored :)

[hoopsguy]

Agreed - I would much rather talk about Barkeep's "missing role" but that hasn't happened yet (hint: he is in the room now).

Other than that, waiting on someone to have something compelling from last night (Schmidty maybe?) to help us confirm/deny MrW.

[BrianD]

Just for something to say, I know one of the Sun members that Swaggs knows, but not the other one. I thought about giving him up just to dick with the Sun, but there is no need to destroy their victory if it doesn't help us get ours.

[Alan T]

Agreed - I would much rather talk about Barkeep's "missing role" but that hasn't happened yet (hint: he is in the room now).

Other than that, waiting on someone to have something compelling from last night (Schmidty maybe?) to help us confirm/deny MrW.


Barkeep's been around all morning and made a post without commenting on it despite numerous mentions of it. Seems pretty obvious he is avoiding it. The reason I wanted to know more about it wasn't really to out Sun people as much as just trying to provide further validation to the idea that 18 people = 18 roles, and thus narrow down who the last shadow person is.

[Swaggs]

Imagine how much I want to gloat for picking correctly two nights in a row. :)

[ntndeacon]

And DaddyTorgo, it would be a HUGe waste of your powers to scan path. I am certainly not surprised about seeing path with a ring of shadows. I even expected it. I did not say path's role as I thought he might be a target for Shadow if I did.

[Alan T]

Just for something to say, I know one of the Sun members that Swaggs knows, but not the other one. I thought about giving him up just to dick with the Sun, but there is no need to destroy their victory if it doesn't help us get ours.


Care to share how you know the person?

[Alan T]

And DaddyTorgo, it would be a HUGe waste of your powers to scan path. I am certainly not surprised about seeing path with a ring of shadows. I even expected it. I did not say path's role as I thought he might be a target for Shadow if I did.

I think you just told us what his role was

[ntndeacon]

just to get a start on things...
Vote Mr. Wed.
Vote Punishment

[ntndeacon]

I think you just told us what his role was

maybe but it doesn't matter as much now.

[Barkeep49]

I'll also agree that scanning path is a HUGE waste of time.

As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

[Alan T]

maybe but it doesn't matter as much now.

Probably not, you're right. I'm glad I didn't attempt to block path last night then (in fairness, not sure if his role is magical either though). My main target last night was mr.W like I said in the thread, but Lathum came in after I said I was going for Mr.W and said he was going to sleep him, so I had to choose someone else... and really didn't like most of the other choices so took a gamble on Hoops just in case.

[Alan T]

I'll also agree that scanning path is a HUGE waste of time.

As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

Better than thinking you are affected by the shadow isnt it? :)

[DaddyTorgo]

i was sort of poking at path to see if he would hint that that is what his role actually was.

[Alan T]

I do find it ironic though that Barkeep whom was one of the first to trumpet mass role reveals, is one of the last 4 that I don't know which role matches up to :)

[BrianD]

Care to share how you know the person?

Scroll of Identity night before last. I talked about it a bit yesterday. That was also why I think all 18 roles were given out but they aren't all active. I know what role this particular person is pretending to have. I'm guessing that is what Barkeep is talking about with his knowledge of a role that isn't in the game. It may be assigned to a Sun member who can't actually use it.

[Alan T]

So speaking of sun members, it says their powers are only known to them... if we assume they can't use their magical role powers, what type of powers do you all think they actually do get to use?

[BrianD]

I don't really know, but I would guess that their powers are at least somewhat in line with other magical roles. Maybe not the same powers as the role they pretend to have, but the typical identify Shadow or protection from Shadow powers.

[path12]

ummm path...i already used the ring of shadows buddy. you're saying you have another? very doubtful there were 2 of something so powerful to begin with.

or was this...not something that you found?

Correct.

[KWhit]

As for the speculation about me, that's so nice of all of you to think I 'm a member of the Sun. How pleasant indeed.

:confused:

[path12]

Might as well get a vote out there:

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

[Lathum]

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

[KWhit]

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

[DaddyTorgo]

glad to see whoever was the crafter took my advice early on then and made another fabulous ring of power...errr...shadows

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

if peregrine would pop back on and answer my PM-scan then we could confidently vote nightfall and get this thing on the road

[Alan T]

VOTE MR. WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

if peregrine would pop back on and answer my PM-scan then we could confidently vote nightfall and get this thing on the road

On night 1 when I didnt get my action in time, I had asked Peregrine why the deadline was so early. He said he works at night and does the actions while at work. So my guess is he probably is asleep right now and wakes up around 7pm or so EDT (or whenever in the afternoon). So unfortunatly you might be waiting a bit.

[Swaggs]

I'll go ahead and vote early, as well.

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY
VOTE PUNISHMENT

[hoopsguy]

Since I see Peregrine lurking I don't see a reason to fire a vote quite yet. Everyone is either going to fall in line quickly or discussion will open up on alternate candidates.

[Barkeep49]

Why are we voting so early? I mean if DT scans Mr W and he comes up clean aren't we going to go in a whole different direction?

[Chief Rum]

Just so everyone knows, according to what Peregrine said earlier this morning, I wasn't blocked. I would have known if I was blocked.

It appears that my role didn't work because of something that relates to my target. I have reviewed his suggested role, and he would have that power. But he also said yesterday he wasn't going to use it last night. So I find that odd. Hoopsguy was not my target (although I think you all know that).

[Chief Rum]

Why are we voting so early? I mean if DT scans Mr W and he comes up clean aren't we going to go in a whole different direction?

I'll be voting early because I am leaving soon. So I hope DT has his scan order in and Peregrine is responding right now because 20 minutes from now I won't be here.

BTW, not sure it's such a good idea to look like you're protecting MrW right now. I'm not reading anything into it, but just so you know.