SkyDog: Oh, what could have been....

[Anthony]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/power-ratings.jpg

this is Power Ranking for the upcoming 2010 season in the Imperial Football League. imagine if you would have been my gameplanner - having that weapon of mass destruction known as the California Heroes at your disposal?

for all those keeping score - sovereignstar's team is the Portland Seals. Suicane's team is the St. Louis Cardinals. Warhammer's 2009 IFL Bowl winning team is the Hartford Grizzlies.


in any event, this team is my greatest accomplishment in all of online gaming. it's a shame we actually have to play a season, to me (speaking as a GM) getting this #1 rating is my Super Bowl. now i leave the teams in the hands of the AI and hope for the best. i can finally see what it feels like to be a real GM, to put in all those hours building a team that on paper is a world beater only to have someone else screw it up. but regardless i'll always remember this team, 2010 California Heroes.

[Hoya1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/power-ratings.jpg
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Wichita has been at the top of that list for many years, and done nothing. What's going to make me laugh is when your team loses its first 4 games. lol

[Logan]

Threadjacking into "what will be..."

10-6, 1st round exit. Good luck next year.

[heybrad]

My Heroes looking great in preseason?

[Hoya1]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/755/haox8.png

lovin that cohesion. I wonder what it will be like in 2 seasons when your "stars" are retired.

[MrBigglesworth]

My Heroes looking great in preseason?
Perfect.

[Ben E Lou]

Actually, Hoya, my experience has been that the Power Rating (even in the preseason) is quite a bit more meaningful in FOF2K7, particularly 6.0e, than in previous versions. It does a pretty darn good job of identifying the teams with better/worse talent. HA's team may still struggle compared to its power rating, though, because FOF is not just a GM sim. It's about the dual experience of GMing and coaching.

[Hoya1]

my point was/is, the Wichita team has always had a talented team but they could never muster up any wins. I'm just saying that the power rankings are, while better than the 2k4 version, still misleading. This list also looks eerily similar to the "roster strength rating in the franchise value screen.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I see the cocky, but no funny...

[Ben E Lou]

my point was/is, the Wichita team has always had a talented team but they could never muster up any wins. I'm just saying that the power rankings are, while better than the 2k4 version, still misleading. This list also looks eerily similar to the "roster strength rating in the franchise value screen.
See, I'd argue that they're now a reasonably fair representation of the talent of the teams in the league. What you DO with that talent is up to you, though.

And yes, it's the strength of your roster.

[Ben E Lou]

Dola:

Based on the number of reads versus the number of responses, it's pretty clear that a LOT of popcorn-eaters were terribly disappointed when they came into this thread. :D

[twothree]

Dola:

Based on the number of reads versus the number of responses, it's pretty clear that a LOT of popcorn-eaters were terribly disappointed when they came into this thread. :D

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/192/popcornnq1.gif

[Anthony]

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/755/haox8.png

lovin that cohesion. I wonder what it will be like in 2 seasons when your "stars" are retired.


New England Patriots didn't worry about cohesion when they revamped their entire receiving corps this season.

to paraphrase Bill Clinton: it's all about the talent, stupid. :D


i said this in a discussion over my league's boards, but i really think that cohesion plays no more than a 15-20% influence on the outcome. i haven't done any testing on this, it's just i think with all the ratings and factors that is in the game that i'm not confident that Jim would put more stock in cohesion and let that be the end all be all. i think talent is the main factor in the roll of the die, then cohesion will be a modifier that gets throw into the formula.

[Anthony]

one thing to further consider is that the Heroes in their previous life were a bottom feeder team called the Fresno Chaos. devoid of talent/studs. what you see on this page is the work of the last 2 1/2 seasons, trading, signing FAs, knowing who to keep and who to move. so yes, i would expect the cohesion to be on the poor side only because a total overhaul of the starting players was called for. i wasn't left with much to work with.

if the Cleveland Browns could overhaul their team so that the talent level more closely resembled the Pats, i think they would do it without blinking, cohesion be damned.

[MrBigglesworth]

i said this in a discussion over my league's boards, but i really think that cohesion plays no more than a 15-20% influence on the outcome.
What percentage do you think separates the best from the worst teams?

[MrBigglesworth]

Last season, California had the third best roster and finished 4 games behind the division winner, who had the 16th best roster.

Also, last year's end of season IFL roster strengths from 2k4 and 2k7 are identical. Either it's a freak occurance, or that part of the game wasn't really changed.

[Anthony]

last season i was handling the gameplan, and i may have been stepping on my own feet. seeing that i was able to win a Super Bowl in my 4th year of my solo career letting the AI set my gameplan for me on a weekly basis, i have more confidence in my California Heroes now that i don't have to worry about the gameplan section of the game.

nevermind Bigglesworth, he's a jealous cat bent on saying the sky is green if i say it's blue. he's jealous that i've taken a horrible team and made them the "Now" team of the league. it's hip to like the Heroes these days. it's en vogue, you could say.

[Crim]

Dola:

Based on the number of reads versus the number of responses, it's pretty clear that a LOT of popcorn-eaters were terribly disappointed when they came into this thread. :D


Guilty as charged. I came in here thinking I was gonna see a coupla titans (uh, to varying degrees) slug it out over some perceived insult.


Bummer.

[QuikSand]

Actually, Hoya, my experience has been that the Power Rating (even in the preseason) is quite a bit more meaningful in FOF2K7, particularly 6.0e, than in previous versions. It does a pretty darn good job of identifying the teams with better/worse talent. HA's team may still struggle compared to its power rating, though, because FOF is not just a GM sim. It's about the dual experience of GMing and coaching.

Power rating in the preseason is just the roster rating (from the franchise value screen)... correct?

[Ben E Lou]

Power rating in the preseason is just the roster rating (from the franchise value screen)... correct?

Correct.

[Anthony]

this is what dominance looks like:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-qb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-wr.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-guards.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/Heroes-kicker.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-de.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-dt.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-cb.jpg

that's both sides of the ball. we're talking a combo of the 1999 Ravens Defense and the 2006 Colts Offense.

i picked up the best kicker in the league - Chuck Morris - in the 5th round using "Best Kicker available" thanks to VPI's draft utility. someone wasted their 3rd round pick on a kicker. it's not even fair.

[MrBigglesworth]

Here is another view of dominance:

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/772/dominancelw0.jpg

[Senator]

Thanks for taking it easy on us in the IHOF, HA.

[Daimyo]

Every season there will be a team with a 100 roster rating so its not exactly special.

[B & B]

Nice photoshop job. Especially with the quote superimpose.

[Buccaneer]

Every season there will be a team with a 100 roster rating so its not exactly special.

Are you implying that it is grading on a curve??? Get out of town.

[tarcone]

Did you see those backup CBs in Tulsa? Pure dominance

[flere-imsaho]

Dola:

Based on the number of reads versus the number of responses, it's pretty clear that a LOT of popcorn-eaters were terribly disappointed when they came into this thread. :D

Oh, there's still time.... :)

[Anthony]

Nice photoshop job. Especially with the quote superimpose.

if you take over a team that was in the bottom 5 of the league since inception then, surprise, surprise, you, too will start out not so good. this is the 1st season i can actually say the team is mine. there's only about 7 players on the team since the season i took over.

the clock starts this season. already last season i took the team to a 10-6 record and within one win of its 1st playoff appearance. i don't know what jealousy smells like, but i see it emmanating from Bigglesworth's pores.

don't be a hater, biggs, it's not good for your complexion. let it go. we've surpassed you. it happens. it's the cycle of life.

anyway, i just wanted to show SD the team he would've been able to gameplan for. we were gonna have an arrangement where i built the team and he would do my gameplans, but then i felt i would never get my props if i went far and had a gameplan guru on my staff. just wanted to show him what i was talking about and that i wasn't lying - the team is poised to make The Leap.

[Anthony]

Are you implying that it is grading on a curve??? Get out of town.

someone has to have the best roster in the league - i say why not me?

curve, straight line, octagon - you name it - top to bottom this team is stacked with dominance. i don't fight it, i embrace it.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Those who ignore cohesion do so at their peril.

I find it critical to making it all the way to a Bowl triumph (as opposed to the basic 11-12 victory season, divisional round exit), where you need every advantage you can get. And if you think a 20% effect on victory is insignificant, you are sadly mistaken.

[Anthony]

i think it's insignificant when the talent level at a position group (like, my front four vs your O-line) is so drastically in my favor. if you have a bunch of guys rated in their 50's, 60's overall - do you really think a 20% modifier (if one does exist) is going to help them?

[Kodos]

We know who they are! You want to crown 'em, then crown 'em!

[Crim]

We know who they are! You want to crown 'em, then crown 'em!

applause

[MrBigglesworth]

i think it's insignificant when the talent level at a position group (like, my front four vs your O-line) is so drastically in my favor. if you have a bunch of guys rated in their 50's, 60's overall - do you really think a 20% modifier (if one does exist) is going to help them?
So the question is, does a +20% modifier help? I need to do some research and get back to you.

[MrBigglesworth]

Yes.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

i think it's insignificant when the talent level at a position group (like, my front four vs your O-line) is so drastically in my favor. if you have a bunch of guys rated in their 50's, 60's overall - do you really think a 20% modifier (if one does exist) is going to help them?

As Biggie said, the answer is obviously yes. What about when running up against the opposition's group with same level of ratings? Uh, yes it would help. As I said, it may not matter much during the regular season against the mediocre clubs (like your example), but when you hit playoffs against the good rated teams with good gameplanning, it's important. And finally, what makes you think it's 20%? So, no, you don't necessarily need good cohesion to go 12-4 and win a playoff game. If you want to win the Bowl, you need all the help you can get.

[KWhit]

I can't wait for this thread to be bumped at the end of the season.

[JeeberD]

I can't wait for this thread to be bumped at the end of the season.

x2

[Warhammer]

Hartford is repeating baby!

[Joe]

updated

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/George%20W%20Bush/week8.png

[MikeVic]

Hahaha.

[Kodos]

Seriously, is there any game that HA is good at?

[Logan]

Does Pumpy control the other 31 teams?

[Vinatieri for Prez]

HA must be right. Cohesion don't mean a thing.

[Crim]

pwned.

[MIJB#19]

In HA's defense, his first six opponents are averaging to go 11-5.

[Icy]

ROFL, i just started to read this thread, missed it when it was started, but i was 100% sure that i would have a laught at the end as i just had.

The fun is not about the disaster as i must agree with HA, than once he has set a good team, and for sure he did, you are on the game AI hands, specially not gameplanning.

The real fun is that every single person who read this thread knew that this end was coming, exactly like the famous Jbmagic thread about the Raiders (that was cuoted here early in this thread).

There must be an unwritten rule somewhere, be cocky about something and you will end being funny.

[Anthony]

Seriously, is there any game that HA is good at?

hey genius, as MIJB pointed out my opponents have a winning % of .692, which, and i'm sure i have to point this out to you since reading basic reports like the one pictured above may be outside of your comprehension - is tops in the league. the 2010 California Heroes have, unfortunately, the toughest schedule in the league. maybe for a gameplanner that can be overcome, but for someone who lets the AI set the gameplan (and i've only just started to fiddle around with it cuz if the AI is gonna get me a 1-5 then i can do that on my own) that probably isn' the best recipe for success.


good looks, great marriage, lots of friends, immense talent and my dog gets my slippers for me. i'm a winner in the game of life.

[Kodos]

You have the best roster in the league -- one would certainly expect a better record than 1-5.

I maintain that you are crappy at virtually any sort of game.

**Polishes his 2013 IHOF championship trophy**

[Warhammer]

hey genius, as MIJB pointed out my opponents have a winning % of .692, which, and i'm sure i have to point this out to you since reading basic reports like the one pictured above may be outside of your comprehension - is tops in the league. the 2010 California Heroes have, unfortunately, the toughest schedule in the league. maybe for a gameplanner that can be overcome, but for someone who lets the AI set the gameplan (and i've only just started to fiddle around with it cuz if the AI is gonna get me a 1-5 then i can do that on my own) that probably isn' the best recipe for success.

You're schedule will get easier from here on out. We'll see how good you are from there. Heck, looking at that can be deceiving. We're 3-4, but the teams we had lost to were something like 12-4 or something. We had lost to each of those guys by less than one score (possible exception of IWC). But, we're nowhere near as good as we were last year, primarily because I can't figure out the coverage stuff. I understand we were geared towards the FOF2k4 coverage system, but we shouldn't be as bad as we've been in 2k7 either.

[Subby]

HA is cursed with a small sample size.

[Kodos]

this is what dominance looks like:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-qb.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-wr.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-guards.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/Heroes-kicker.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-de.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-dt.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/HellAtlantic/heroes-cb.jpg

that's both sides of the ball. we're talking a combo of the 1999 Ravens Defense and the 2006 Colts Offense.

i picked up the best kicker in the league - Chuck Morris - in the 5th round using "Best Kicker available" thanks to VPI's draft utility. someone wasted their 3rd round pick on a kicker. it's not even fair.

Dominance indeed.

[Anthony]

between bad clock management, putting my defense in 4-deep *at the goal line* and other quirks of AI, there is a lot that is out of our hands. i won my last game to bring the record to 2-5, but alas i face one of the top 3 teams in the league (Suicane's 6-1 team). i agree with Warhammer, the move from 2k4 to 2k7 affected how my team was built. i had some luck in a solo career letting the AI set my gameplan, but now i see i need to heavily rely on it but do most of the general stuff myself.

also, my last 2 losses i lost by a total of 4 points. my record could have been 4-3 had some things gone my way. it means nothing of course, cuz if things had gone Norwood's way the Bills' would've had at least 1 Super Bowl win. but still, the Heroes are known around the league has having a better team than our record indicates. most everyone respects the roster i have and will mention i'm just a victim of said bad breaks. it happens.

[AZSpeechCoach]

good looks, great marriage, lots of friends, immense talent and my dog gets my slippers for me. i'm a winner in the game of life.


And don't forget the chip toting midget and the passionate hoagie. HA's got it all!

[highfiveoh]

between bad clock management, putting my defense in 4-deep *at the goal line* and other quirks of AI, there is a lot that is out of our hands.

Not quite sure how MP works. Does everyone in the league play a different game?

[sterlingice]

between bad clock management, putting my defense in 4-deep *at the goal line* and other quirks of AI, there is a lot that is out of our hands.

So Herm Edwards writes the AI?

SI

[Joe]

end of season update

http://www.fof-ihof.com/upload/George%20W%20Bush/heroes.png

[Logan]

With those preseason expectations, the media and fans have to be pushing for the GM to be fired.

[MrBug708]

Even Matt Millen is outraged

[Coder]

To be fair to HA, he came on very strong in the second half of the season. I expect California to be a very serious threat next year with the team having a season's worth of "cohesion" behind them.

[Warhammer]

He's come one strong at the end during each of the last two years. Why should next year be any different?

[Chubby]

Let's see, another season or two and I predict HA will quit because "he's not wanted" or some other hokie excuse.

HA - Gee, if only you could reload after each loss you'd be undefeated!

[Kodos]

I laugh in HA's general direction. Best roster in the league, and can't even hit .500.

[Coder]

Haven't been pimping my videos here before, but figured that since the season was over now, and I finished below California in the power-rankings.. I figured, what the hell..

The IFL is a fantastic league, and every GM is awesome (Yeah, I know everyone loves to pick on HA, but he lives and dies with his Heroes).

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[RendeR]

I want to know who the talented bastard is that has turned my houston Renegades into winners!?!

I intigated that team and we had talent, but I sucked ass and they never won more than 4 or 5 games for me. Then I had to get out of all my leagues because life intervened.

So who is this God of player and game plan managemnt that could bring my Renegades to prominance?

[Anthony]

i'm going to go strong in the draft this year, one of the first times i've ever done that in a MP league. i have a 1st-3rd round pick for the first time in ever. i've seen some really good starters come out of that 2nd thru 3rd round range, so while i've been trading away my picks like a banshee in previous years, taking on other people's 7th, 8th, 9th year+ players, i'm finally planning on adding 3 starters to my team via the draft. it's a strange, new world.