Oden out for the year

[dawgfan]

Microfracture surgery on his right knee. Portland fans have to be having nightmares about this being Bill Walton all over again, only without winning a title first.

Seattle has to be breathing a sigh of relief right about now...

[rkmsuf]

Oh shi. Somehow the ping pong balls worked out for the C's.

[cartman]

Sam Bowie is a more recent memory.

[Lathum]

Thats a shame, I really like Oden alot.

At least he came out early and got his money.

[Izulde]

Ouch!

[rkmsuf]

Greg Oden, we hardly knew ye.

[Lathum]

link

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3017538

[Logan]

No surprise when a guy's knees start to go when he's on the wrong side of 30.

[thesloppy]

If this hadn't happened to the Blazers this wouldn't even be in the news. Greg Oden has the most relevant knee of the last 20 years.

[Eaglesfan27]

I think the #1 pick having knee problems that knocked him out for the year would be a big story regardless of what team had made that pick. I really liked Oden, too. I hope he can come back.

[miami_fan]

If this hadn't happened to the Blazers this wouldn't even be in the news. Greg Oden has the most relevant knee of the last 20 years.

Wrong! It is just a big story because he is black and chasing the home run record!:D

[dawgfan]

Sam Bowie is a more recent memory.
Yep, I'd forgotten about Bowie. Hopefully Oden is able to return at close to 100% - I like the guy and like the team Portland is putting together.

[korme]

Terrible news

[korme]

As a basketball fan in general

[Atocep]

If there's any good news out of this, its that the doctor said it was a very small area that they had to use the microfracture procedure on and the rest of the knee was fine.

Still horrible news, but he should be able to come back from this fine instead of coming back like Chris Webber did.

[Anthony]

worse comes to worst he's already a millionaire and never really needs to work again. dont cry for him, Argentina.

[Hammer755]

Amare Stoudemire seems to have returned from the microfracture surgery better than anyone anticipated. Hopefully he's a better comp for Oden than Webber is.

[ThunderingHERD]

:( Hope he makes a full recovery--I was looking forward to seeing him play.

[korme]

worse comes to worst he's already a millionaire and never really needs to work again. dont cry for him, Argentina.

I don't think anyone's worried about his financial well-being. I think anyone's concern is losing a potentially top-tier basketball player to watch compete.

[dawgfan]

I don't think anyone's worried about his financial well-being. I think anyone's concern is losing a potentially top-tier basketball player to watch compete.
Yep. And to boot, he certainly comes across as a likable personality (even if he is coached).

[Mike1409]

No surprise when a guy's knees start to go when he's on the wrong side of 30.
STRONG!

[Anthony]

I don't think anyone's worried about his financial well-being. I think anyone's concern is losing a potentially top-tier basketball player to watch compete.

its the NBA. i don't think you'll go hungry waiting for the next under-20 7 foot center to come into the draft.

besides, NBA isn't for centers anymore. no one likes that type of play. it's all forwards and guards.

[Atocep]

besides, NBA isn't for centers anymore. no one likes that type of play. it's all forwards and guards.

I'm guessing you're a big Knicks fan? ;)

[korme]

its the NBA. i don't think you'll go hungry waiting for the next under-20 7 foot center to come into the draft.

besides, NBA isn't for centers anymore. no one likes that type of play. it's all forwards and guards.

so, is devil's advocate the only gimmick you use?

[cartman]

so, is devil's advocate the only gimmick you use?


please stop causing problem


:D

[Groundhog]

This is terrible, terrible, terrible news. :(

I hadn't been so excited about a rookie since my Cavs nabbed LeBron James. Still, with medical technology as it is, I have little doubt that he'll bounce back in a year's time.

[Anthony]

so, is devil's advocate the only gimmick you use?

no, my current gimmick is not caring about what happens to people who made more money off their initial contract than i'll ever make in my lifetime. if his leg was cut off in a freak accident he would still have more money than i'll ever make. and then in a couple years, if not next year, the next big thing will come out and Oden will just be that guy who had a lot of potential but his injuries always got in the way.

seen it too many times to really get down about it. how many times do you have to see a Friday the 13th movie to realize Jason always comes back?

[Groundhog]

no, my current gimmick is not caring about what happens to people who made more money off their initial contract than i'll ever make in my lifetime. if his leg was cut off in a freak accident he would still have more money than i'll ever make. and then in a couple years, if not next year, the next big thing will come out and Oden will just be that guy who had a lot of potential but his injuries always got in the way.

I see where you're coming from, but I believe most people are more dissapointed that they won't be seeing him play this year than anything else. Oden is a once in a decade bigman.

[Anthony]

I see where you're coming from, but I believe most people are more dissapointed that they won't be seeing him play this year than anything else. Oden is a once in a decade bigman.

Oden is a flashback to the 80's bigman. that's all. how many pts you think he was gonna average over his career? he's not putting up 20 per game. he's gonna be the Russell-type center, anchor of the defense, shotblocking, rebounding, being the emotional force. but points? highlights? that's not him.

[Eaglesfan27]

Oden is a flashback to the 80's bigman. that's all. how many pts you think he was gonna average over his career? he's not putting up 20 per game. he's gonna be the Russell-type center, anchor of the defense, shotblocking, rebounding, being the emotional force. but points? highlights? that's not him.

Why not? He showed some offensive versatility while playing one handed. I don't think he would score 20 per game his first year, but I could certainly see him him doing that with a few years of development.

[Groundhog]

Oden is a flashback to the 80's bigman. that's all. how many pts you think he was gonna average over his career? he's not putting up 20 per game. he's gonna be the Russell-type center, anchor of the defense, shotblocking, rebounding, being the emotional force. but points? highlights? that's not him.

He'd be a ~15ppg scorer who blocks everything and throws down two-handed slams anytime he's near the basket. I think he'd get plenty of highlights.

[Neon_Chaos]

Oden is a flashback to the 80's bigman. that's all. how many pts you think he was gonna average over his career? he's not putting up 20 per game. he's gonna be the Russell-type center, anchor of the defense, shotblocking, rebounding, being the emotional force. but points? highlights? that's not him.

Russell didn't play in the 80's. :)

[cartman]

Russell didn't play in the 80's. :)


please stop causing problem


:D

[Schmidty]

so, is devil's advocate the only gimmick you use?

Just thinking that.

Spot on.

[Subby]

Money loses its value to some people if it isn't money earned...

[Schmidty]

Money loses its value to some people if it isn't money earned...

Those people probably never had to live paycheck to paycheck, and eat lots of mac and cheese.

[Pyser]

put in brady quinn!

[wade moore]

No surprise when a guy's knees start to go when he's on the wrong side of 30.

How does this go unnoticed? Gold!

That being said, I do hate to see this happen to such a young, promising player.

[Anthony]

i'm getting down on sports lately. too much dishonesty. too many people taking performance enhancing drugs, one too many players caught running underground dogfighting rings, too many teams caught cheating, refs on the take. it basically seems everyone is doing something they shouldn't be doing. it used to be pro athletes were pro's because they had God-given talents and blessed with great genetics. now, it's all of the above (plus the fact that they cheat, be it drugs or whatnot). so when something bad happens to someone like Oden, i don't bat an eyelash. worst case scenario is he won't ever reach his full potential and he'll retire from pro basketball having an unfullfilled career and live the rest of his days in his mansion and drive his Bentley if he can't walk to where he needs to go. yes, truly a tragic story.

so i don't care about some millionaire - however young he may be - who gets derailed before he starts. i don't care about some retired football player who spent all his dough and now has a mountain of medical bills to show for his troubles. how many times do you have to hear the same type of story until you become desensitized to it? if you needed microfracture surgery would Oden feel bad for you? pro athletes are marionettes, there for our entertainment and when something bad happens to one you replace them with another puppet and start the show all over again.

save your concern and sorrow for people who need it. like this boy (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.boy/index.html).

[Subby]

Those people probably never had to live paycheck to paycheck, and eat lots of mac and cheese.
No one gives a shit what you peasants eat for breakfast.

[Schmidty]

No one gives a shit what you peasants eat for breakfast.

I'm a high class peasant. I put ground turkey in my mac and cheese. So there!!!!

[Logan]

i'm getting down on sports lately. too much dishonesty. too many people taking performance enhancing drugs, one too many players caught running underground dogfighting rings, too many teams caught cheating, refs on the take. it basically seems everyone is doing something they shouldn't be doing. it used to be pro athletes were pro's because they had God-given talents and blessed with great genetics. now, it's all of the above (plus the fact that they cheat, be it drugs or whatnot). so when something bad happens to someone like Oden, i don't bat an eyelash. worst case scenario is he won't ever reach his full potential and he'll retire from pro basketball having an unfullfilled career and live the rest of his days in his mansion and drive his Bentley if he can't walk to where he needs to go. yes, truly a tragic story.

so i don't care about some millionaire - however young he may be - who gets derailed before he starts. i don't care about some retired football player who spent all his dough and now has a mountain of medical bills to show for his troubles. how many times do you have to hear the same type of story until you become desensitized to it? if you needed microfracture surgery would Oden feel bad for you? pro athletes are marionettes, there for our entertainment and when something bad happens to one you replace them with another puppet and start the show all over again.

save your concern and sorrow for people who need it. like this boy (http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/22/iraq.boy/index.html).

You know, some of us have the ability to understand the true plights in life while also getting down on the not-so-terrible-in-the-long-run things that come about in sports. What the fuck is the point of ANYTHING in life if our attitude is constantly "Who cares about X when people in Africa are starving?"

I'm sure you never once complained about how a ref screwed over your team at the end of a tight game, how one of your favorite players left through free agency, or bitched about how your fake team has a shit record because they keep playing good teams (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1543443&postcount=49). It's just a game -- why stress over it? Those guys can be replaced, other games can be won. After all, 8 year olds in Asia are being forced to work 18 hour days.

[Schmidty]

You know, some of us have the ability to understand the true plights in life while also getting down on the not-so-terrible-in-the-long-run things that come about in sports. What the fuck is the point of ANYTHING in life if our attitude is constantly "Who cares about X when people in Africa are starving?"

I'm sure you never once complained about how a ref screwed over your team at the end of a tight game, how one of your favorite players left through free agency, or bitched about how your fake team has a shit record because they keep playing good teams (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1543443&postcount=49). It's just a game -- why stress over it? Those guys can be replaced, other games can be won. After all, 8 year olds in Asia are being forced to work 18 hour days.

Meh. Don't worry about it.

Hell Atlantic is just a character Mr. Anthony Casso plays on the internet. :)

[Logan]

"Anthony, tell us about Hell Atlantic."

[Anthony]

I'm sure you never once complained about how a ref screwed over your team at the end of a tight game, how one of your favorite players left through free agency, or bitched about how your fake team has a shit record because they keep playing good teams (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1543443&postcount=49). It's just a game -- why stress over it? Those guys can be replaced, other games can be won. After all, 8 year olds in Asia are being forced to work 18 hour days.

any "bitching" i do about any of my fake teams is all abundantly clearly tongue-in-cheek, unless you think i stay up at nite lamenting my 2-5 record. it's all in jest. i have this bad habit of being able to put things in perspective. sure, i complain about my teams (my awful knicks) and feel bad about injuries to guys that affect my teams' chances of winning (fucking Giants and their injury bug), but you won't ever hear me say "i feel bad for...." or "my thoughts are with Player X". they don't need my thoughts/prayers. they're there for my entertainment just the same as a clown in a circus is. do you cry when you see a clown slip on a banana? it's pro-athletes job to "dance" for me, and if they get hurt on the job they're being grossly compensated anyway. if i'm going to feel bad for someone, yes, it will be a kid who was disfigured in an act of violence, or some african woman who was genitally abused. there is a clear line that i don't allow to be crossed where some player i care about watching gets hurt and when i stop caring that he's hurt. i go into "well, he's a millionaire so it's not all that bad, he's gonna wake up in his bed with the thousand-count sheets and plasma tv in his bedroom" mode, and also shift into "how does this injury affect my team's chances of winning" mode. yes, pro athletes are human just like you and me, but some people in this world need more prayers and good thoughts than others. i'm not trying to preach to anyone, i'm not religious, but sometimes it seems i care more about the people who need caring for more than the people holding the bibles do.

Oden's contract is guaranteed. he'll be fine. anyway i'm done with this, i've made my point. if you feel so bad for Oden draw him a picture and send it to him.

[Young Drachma]

Wow, seems like the Grinch came to steal this thread.

Anyway, sad story and unexpected. But at least he's young and I'll echo the sentiment that it's a good thing he got out of school when he did.

[AZSpeechCoach]

how many times do you have to see a Friday the 13th movie to realize Jason always comes back?

Dammit HA, you have to spoiler that thing! Now I might as well take the DVD set back to Best Buy. Thanks a lot!

[daedalus]

i find it semi-amusing that y'all still try to have a discussion with hell atlantic like he has sufficient thoughts to attempt an actual discussion worth partaking in. especially those of you who have been on the board long enough to "know" him. more power to y'all.

on the other hand, i heart ryan for putting in the ignore feature. :)

regardless, as a hoops fan, i find this to suck. significantly. he seemed like a good basketball player who has a good head on his shoulder. i never heard of this surgery to be career-ending so i am curious about some of the more morbid underlying tones.

[cartman]

i never heard of this surgery to be career-ending so i am curious about some of the more morbid underlying tones.

Not so much the surgery being threatening, as to what was the root cause. Some people are pointing to the fact that one of his legs is a bit longer than the other. The thought is that maybe because of this, he gets weird stresses on his knees, hips, and back trying to compensate for the difference. But who knows. He was pretty thoroughly vetted before the draft. There were rumors about his knees back then, but they were brushed off.

[Atocep]

i never heard of this surgery to be career-ending so i am curious about some of the more morbid underlying tones.

The surgery itself isn't, but its usually a sign that it was a significant enough knee injury that it could be career ending. Jamal Mashburn was unable to come back after microfracture surgery and its killed Chris Webber's career. Also, since its a fairly new surgery, they're still waiting to see what the long term effects are. They originally speculated that the surgery may have to be re-preformed every 5-6 years.

In this case however, the doctor specifically said it was a small area in the knee that was injured and a full recovery is likely.

[dawgfan]

The funny thing about this "debate" with HA is that he really doesn't seem to get the point most of us are making - it's not that we feel bad for Oden so much as we feel bad for ourselves that we don't get to watch him play this year, and because it's possible (given the somewhat risky nature of microfracture surgery) that we may never see Oden at his full physical potential.

Maybe another stud big man will come along soon to take his place, but he really did seem to be a once every 5-10 years kind of center, and perhaps even better than that.

[ThunderingHERD]

Apparently someone thinks sympathy is a finite resource. Unfortunately, being an insufferable prick is forever.

[stevew]

The funny thing about this "debate" with HA is that he really doesn't seem to get the point most of us are making - it's not that we feel bad for Oden so much as we feel bad for ourselves that we don't get to watch him play this year, and because it's possible (given the somewhat risky nature of microfracture surgery) that we may never see Oden at his full physical potential.

Maybe another stud big man will come along soon to take his place, but he really did seem to be a once every 5-10 years kind of center, and perhaps even better than that.

Yeah, I could care less about the kid, he's rich bitch, but I am dissapointed that I won't get to see him play this year. I think the blazers will be a fun team to watch, assuming he gets healthy. Hopefully the microfracture takes well with him, it seems like a crazy surgery, I wish there were alternatives for it. I mean, guys get a bad ACL and it's no big deal these days. But the microfracture is horrible and potentially career altering.

[daedalus]

Not so much the surgery being threatening, as to what was the root cause. Some people are pointing to the fact that one of his legs is a bit longer than the other. The thought is that maybe because of this, he gets weird stresses on his knees, hips, and back trying to compensate for the difference. But who knows. He was pretty thoroughly vetted before the draft. There were rumors about his knees back then, but they were brushed off.The surgery itself isn't, but its usually a sign that it was a significant enough knee injury that it could be career ending. Jamal Mashburn was unable to come back after microfracture surgery and its killed Chris Webber's career. Also, since its a fairly new surgery, they're still waiting to see what the long term effects are. They originally speculated that the surgery may have to be re-preformed every 5-6 years.

In this case however, the doctor specifically said it was a small area in the knee that was injured and a full recovery is likely.ahhhh. i did not know these. thanks, fellas.

ESPN just did a piece (first time i've been able to watch ESPN in months, wow) and mentioned webber and mashburn as you said and also allan houston. mashburn and houston mentioned loss of explosiveness. i'm assuming webber experienced the same thing. hopefully, ogden's youth works in his favour. they also mentioned that stoudamire made a good recovery so hopefully that is hope.

[Atocep]

Great article on mircrofracture in the NFL and NBA.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/10/05/ramblings/5565/