Playcalling and YAC

[Nogram]

I have noticed over many many games and seasons of calling all my own plays that I can never seem to get any significant YAC from my receivers.

Does anyone else share this experience?

If someone has, can they let me know what they have done to overcome this?

I can provide significantly more details on this if it is requested / required. However, I can state that often I have top notch qb's and wr's.

I make sure that I call all types of routes (slants, cross, Curl, etc.), and of a variety of formations.

Thoughts?

Nogram

[stevew]

I believe that basically YAC is generated after the play result is decided, and is more of a "window dressing" type of stat instead of an actual metric.

[Hammer]

I don't agree its window dressing. You need a QB with Accuracy (hitting receivers in stride) and receivers high in Getting Downfield.

[stevew]

yes, that's how real football works.

Front office football, however, supposedly generates the result of a pass play, and then goes and adds the YAC afterwards.

[Ben E Lou]

Actually, what I am led to believe is happening here is that GD and Accuracy are factored into the initial calculation that determines the end result of the play. Then after the end result is determined, YAC is calculated. YAC has been demonstrated to be significantly lower than real footballl--in all likelihood the result of the overall estimates of YAC being too low. What is very clear from my tests, though, is that it is unequivocal that high Accuracy and Getting Downfield lead to higher YAC. It's not really up for debate whether or not they're used, just how they're used.

[Hammer]

yes, that's how real football works.

Front office football, however, supposedly generates the result of a pass play, and then goes and adds the YAC afterwards.



The guy asked how to improve his YAC. Getting Downfield and Accuracy are the answer, how the play is calculated really doesn't matter for the purpose of this thread.

[ReiperXHC]

I'm thinking that SkyDog has answered the "real" question here. That he's done some testing and that in FOF, YAC is lower than in the real NFL. Thanks, SD.

-Reip

[cuervo72]

Interesting side discussion I found trying to find real YAC stats:

http://www.bbnflstats.com/2007/08/yac-receiver-correlation.html (part of an evolving conversation)

Addresses...qb accuracy and wr ability.

Here are the YAC leaders for the NFL in 2006:

http://sikids.com/football/nfl/stats/2006/receiving/0_byRECPT_YAC.html

Here they are for FOFL in 2015 (which I believe has inflated passing numbers vs the NFL...two QB's over 5300 yards):
http://www.thefofl.com/league/seasonleaders.php?y=2015&r=false&set=2

I'm with SD - in FOF accuracy and getting downfield are factors, the effects just aren't translated to YAC quite right.

[dberner30]

whats funny is how often i see comments about how FOF doesnt translate to the NFL...

so i guess having a steve smith isnt effective in FOF because he doesnt take the 5 yd slant and bust loose for 60 yds. Guess Jerry Rice is a has been in FOF. But all you need is a guy like Ted Ginn that can run downfield and be a big play receiver and you can light up the boards. Even when he is double covered. or maybe he isnt since FOF cant really decide who is double covered.

[Narcizo]

My receiver turned a 6 yard pass into a 60-yard touchdown score in NAFL yesterday. The thing is, he's fast (96 big play and sub 4.40 time when I drafted him) but he's pretty rubbish at getting downfield (43). The commentary in the Solevision made it pretty clear that he scored because of his speed - ("he was just too fast for the coverage" or some such). Admittedly this all came about because of the infamous goal-line defence problem but still it struck me as a bit unusual.

I've always assumed that getting downfield was solely used to calculate yards after catch but it looks like Big Play was used in this case. Which leads me to wonder why it's called Big Play and not just "Speed", which seems to be what it is. It would certainly cause less confusion.

So, anyway, it is possible for a receiver to convert a 5 yard pass into a 60 yard score. Admittedly by having a great big play rating (which is what you're complaining about) but still.

[Ben E Lou]

Or, maybe a guy with decent-but-not-great moves and escapability (getting downfield rating) made a good play. Just because a guy's GD rating is in the 40s, it doesn't mean that he'll *never* turn a short completion into a TD. Same thing in real life.

[cuervo72]

My receiver turned a 6 yard pass into a 60-yard touchdown score in NAFL yesterday. The thing is, he's fast (96 big play and sub 4.40 time when I drafted him) but he's pretty rubbish at getting downfield (43).

Best I can tell, GD = agility, BP = dash.

[Hammer]

Maybe the words in solevision mean nothing in this case? Its just a random phrase that pops up when a guy gets high YAC. Another good question for Jim.

[ace1914]

Which leads me to wonder why it's called Big Play and not just "Speed", which seems to be what it is. It would certainly cause less confusion.


Well I think big play is beter because someone doesn't have to have top tier speed to be a big play receiver..i.e.-Marvin Harrison.

[Narcizo]

Or, maybe a guy with decent-but-not-great moves and escapability (getting downfield rating) made a good play. Just because a guy's GD rating is in the 40s, it doesn't mean that he'll *never* turn a short completion into a TD. Same thing in real life.

The point I was trying to make was that the game log pretty much indicated that the reason for him getting so much yardage was his BP ability/speed. It made absolutely no mention of him slipping a tackle or beating his man or whatever. Therefore BP can = YAC. Which, as you point out, tallies with real life. Obviously this would also be the case when he burns his cover before the catch and can just carry on into the end zone, but I'm guessing that in a loose M2M he didn't do that in the first 6 yards.

[Ben E Lou]

The point I was trying to make was that the game log pretty much indicated that the reason for him getting so much yardage was his BP ability/speed. It made absolutely no mention of him slipping a tackle or beating his man or whatever. Therefore BP can = YAC. Which, as you point out, tallies with real life. Obviously this would also be the case when he burns his cover before the catch and can just carry on into the end zone, but I'm guessing that in a loose M2M he didn't do that in the first 6 yards.I can't say this with 100% certainty, but my strong suspicion here is that you're taking the text of Solevision too literally here. I've seen such a message, and I've never been under the impression that it's actually related to his speed.

[Vinatieri for Prez]

Yes. I agree. Jim already said in the other post that Solevision has reporting issues.

I'll stick with the obvious for now. For the receiver, YAC = Getting downfield.