USF-Rutgers aka College Football Week 8

[Galaxy]

Should be a fun game. Was the Rutgers crowd chanting overrated?

[Crim]

Looking forward to this. Huge. I live in Lakeland, forty minutes outside of Tampa, and Bulls Fever is everywhere. My personal opinion is, USF is prolly NOT the 2nd (or even 5th) best team in the country right now, but to this point they have absolutely earned their spot. (The more talented teams shit the bed, there are and oughta be consequences fer that)

That said, I look for USF by about 7-10 pts tonight, then to run the rest of the table (might have trouble with Cincinatti later on though). Still wouldn't be surprised if tOSU and a 1-loss LSU or Okie play in the BCSNCG.

[Passacaglia]

Should be a fun game. Was the Rutgers crowd chanting overrated?

it's like raaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiin on your wedding day

[astrosfan64]

I want Rutgers to win, but Teel scares me.

I want Rutgers to win because they are my favorite team. I want South Florida to win, because it is good for the Big East.

The Big East is solid and Florida deserves the Number 2.

[Galaxy]

I want Rutgers to win, but Teel scares me.

I want Rutgers to win because they are my favorite team. I want South Florida to win, because it is good for the Big East.

The Big East is solid and Florida deserves the Number 2.

You mean Florida, or South Florida?

[Lathum]

The key for rutgers is get an early lead so Teel doesn't try and force things

[VPI97]

Rutgers should win this one.

[cartman]

Rutgers has struggled at home this season. USF hasn't been tested on the road yet. Should be a good one.

[lynchjm24]

Rutgers should win this one.

Based on what exactly?

[Lathum]

nice play.

The Mrs. just looked at me and said " Maybe the punter should play quarterback"

[astrosfan64]

You mean Florida, or South Florida?

South Florida sorry

[astrosfan64]

Rutgers has struggled at home this season. USF hasn't been tested on the road yet. Should be a good one.

Yeah, because playing IN AUBURN isn't being tested on the road?

[Lathum]

I would have rather seen play action on second down

[VPI97]

Based on what exactly?
I've seen both play a couple times and I don't think USF matches up well with Rutgers. I mean, if Rutgers turns the ball over a half dozen times like WVU did against USF, I think the Bulls will win...but on average, I just don't think that will happen.

[astrosfan64]

I've seen both play a couple times and I don't think USF matches up well with Rutgers. I mean, if Rutgers turns the ball over a half dozen times like WVU did against USF, I think the Bulls will win...but on average, I just don't think that will happen.

To me it is all about Teel.

[Lathum]

that whole goalline series was terrible

[miked]

Booo. Why would anyone cover WRs when Lovelace is in. You know he's going to run. Bringing him in on 3rd and goal is silly. It's like the Falcons OC is calling plays in over the phone.

[Lathum]

nice stuff on third and short

[cartman]

Yeah, because playing IN AUBURN isn't being tested on the road?

If you are the underdog and you win, that isn't a test, it's an upset. A test is when you are the favorite going into the game.

[Lathum]

Christ, Teel looks tight

[Young Drachma]

Rutgers wins the college commercial game so far.

[Lathum]

great catch there.

[Lathum]

Rutgers wins the college commercial game so far.

Well when you have the first ever game played as your lynchpin you aren't gonna do to bad

[Lathum]

Teel makes some scary throws

[wade moore]

Just tuned in a bit ago, looks to be a good game so far.

[jbergey22]

Ray Rice will win this game for Rutgers

[Lathum]

great drive by RU there

[Lathum]

dola- now the D needs to step it up

[wade moore]

Ray Rice will win this game for Rutgers
That drive right there really showed what VPI was talking about in the other thread it seems.. I haven't watched either of these teams much this year, but he seemed to nail it that Rice up the middle could have a lot of success against USF.

[Lathum]

man, Grothe just got crunched

[Lathum]

This is a HUGE recruiting game for both schools. RU does alot of recruiting in Florida

[wade moore]

That muffed punt could really hurt later.

[Lathum]

turnovers continue to kill RU

[TargetPractice6]

WOW! Crazy play...

[Swaggs]

Wow...

[Lathum]

there is no way this should count

[Swaggs]

Interesting judgement call here.

The advances do look a little shady, but they may be pure judgement calls.

[wade moore]

there is no way this should countIf they rule this correctly it won't - that was pretty damned obvious.. you gotta call ONE of those illegal.

[Swaggs]

Rutgers needs this overturned.

I think, with their style of offense and Teel at the helm against this defense, they will have a real tough time coming back from 14. USF will pin their ears back and blitz the crap out of Teel and cause some turnovers.

[Lathum]

justice

[wade moore]

That was the right call.

[Swaggs]

Who gets the second half kickoff?

[wade moore]

This kid has to learn what "throw it away" means.

[Buccaneer]

Go Bulls.

[Lathum]

why the hell are they blitzing on second and a mile?

[Lathum]

take out the horrible special teams and RU is in great shape

[cartman]

take out the horrible special teams and RU is in great shape

Texas could have said the same thing against Kansas State.

[Crim]

it's like raaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiin on your wedding day

Can't believe it took us 40+ posts to acknowledge it, Pass, but this was a damn fine post, buddy. Damn fine.

[Lathum]

Texas could have said the same thing against Kansas State.

escept we're not talking about the Texas game

[Crim]

cartman is.

[Lathum]

cartman is.

when isn't he?

[cartman]

I'm just sayin' that all three phases of the game count towards the final score.

[Lathum]

getting an early 3 and out is key here

[Lathum]

UNDERWOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[General Mike]

Tiquan Underwood Mother FTW

[Lathum]

he is one fast dude

[Lathum]

is it just me or is the USF offensive line getting away with murder?

[wade moore]

Doh, stayed on the baseball game too long and missed the Rutgers score.

[Lathum]

Doh, stayed on the baseball game too long and missed the Rutgers score.

watch sportscenter

[Lathum]

GOD DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Young Drachma]

Oops.

[Lathum]

I could have caught that ball.

This is the shit that has killed RU all season

[Crim]

ditto the ugly special teams = killing Rutgers comment.

[Lathum]

PAYBACK!!!

[Young Drachma]

See Ray Run.

[astrosfan64]

Rice is great

[Lathum]

Rice is beast.

[Lathum]

another bonehead move by rutgers

[ISiddiqui]

Rice is a beast!

But what was with that personal foul just now? That could kill the momentum on this drive... for a dumb, dumb penalty.

[Young Drachma]

Wow. Nice play.

[ISiddiqui]

WOW!! :eek:

What a call on the fake FG!!!

TD!!!

[astrosfan64]

Fake FG, I can't believe SF didn't expect that. Schiffano does crazy crap like that all the time.

[TargetPractice6]

Another amazing fake. Rutgers is emptying the playbook for this one.

[Lathum]

that tricky, tricky schiano

[General Mike]

whooo fake FG TD.

Schiano's pulling out all the stops.

[ISiddiqui]

I think that deserves a

RU, Rah, Rah;
RU, Rah, Rah,
Whoo-Rah, Whoo-Rah;
Rutgers Rah

Up Stream Red Team
Red Team Up Stream
Rah, Rah, Rutgers Rah

:)

[Young Drachma]

I think that deserves a

RU, Rah, Rah;
RU, Rah, Rah,
Whoo-Rah, Whoo-Rah;
Rutgers Rah

Up Stream Red Team
Red Team Up Stream
Rah, Rah, Rutgers Rah

:)

Good on ya.

[Buccaneer]

Well fine, don't go Bulls then.

[wade moore]

Nice catch on a crucial play.

[wade moore]

This kid has to learn what "throw it away" means.
QFT

[Lathum]

Nice answer on the kickoff.

[Young Drachma]

That blitz is no joke.

[wade moore]

I don't need to quote myself again, do i?

[wade moore]

They rushed TWO with a spy that eventually came in and he gets sacked and doesn't THROW IT AWAY?!

Good god.

[Lathum]

USF's O-line is looking like they are getting tired

[Galaxy]

They rushed TWO with a spy that eventually came in and he gets sacked and doesn't THROW IT AWAY?!

Good god.

He just stood there.

Dumb play on the punt.

[wade moore]

If you're a USF player - how do you not just fall down laughing at that absurd coach?

[ISiddiqui]

Wow, that was an ugly kick... but good!

[Lathum]

Rutgers is just asking to let USF back in this game by gewtting conservitive on offense

[ISiddiqui]

Ouch... Rutgers can start playing defense now.

[Lathum]

Allright, RU gets great field position here, gotta get it done here. I would love to see them go play action deep pass here.

[Lathum]

I see this turning into a nice yearly rivalry

[Lathum]

I'm all for riding your horse but Rutgers has to get more creative

[Galaxy]

Come on Bulls.

[Lathum]

This is going to end badly for Rutgers

[wade moore]

Ouch.

[General Mike]

Rutgers doesnt want to win.

[Lathum]

Rutgers deserves to lose this game with how much they shut it down in the fourth quarter

[ISiddiqui]

Damn.. Rice gives it away... plenty of time for USF to do something.

[Galaxy]

Jeez....Why not get Matt on rollout passes?

[wade moore]

Rutgers doesnt want to win.
Apparently neither does USF.

[ISiddiqui]

yeah... the game is there for the taking... does anyone want it?

[ISiddiqui]

Crap, holding! And Teel made a very nice pass there.

[JetsIn06]

Big, big penalty. :mad:

[Lathum]

considering some of the spots RU has been put in the defense has been awesome

[Lathum]

another stupid delay of game call

[Lathum]

HUGE SACK!!

[JetsIn06]

WHAT. A. SACK.

WOOOOO!!:D

[Young Drachma]

Last. Play.

[JetsIn06]

Announcer is right. Dumb spike there.

[Young Drachma]

Oh geez...what's the call now?

[JetsIn06]

WOW

[Young Drachma]

Oh ok.

[JetsIn06]

More trickery coming up?

[wade moore]

Really - for me - the game is about this moronic QB taking WAY too many sacks that he shouldn't have.

[Galaxy]

I don't know about that penalty. He did touch him lightly, but it didn't look like a "push".

What a dumb quarterback.

[Young Drachma]

And...the sea of red converges.

[wade moore]

Well, at least we can get the Big East out of the NC discussions now ;)

[Neon_Chaos]

done.

[ISiddiqui]

Rutgers ball... and 50 seconds left.

[Galaxy]

Why a Hail Mary play?

[Galaxy]

Is Rex Grossman/J.P Losman playing quarterback tonight?
Two quarterbacks this year (the backup qb at Cal) have cost their teams a shot at the title.

[k0ruptr]

didnt they learn anything from the Fiesta Bowl, the hook and ladder wins there :D

[ISiddiqui]

Well, at least we can get the Big East out of the NC discussions now ;)

Well, West Virginia and USF only have 1 loss... and I'm thinking at least one of the two teams will have one loss ;).

[Young Drachma]

At least they won.

[astrosfan64]

Good Game, terrible call by the ref on the push off.

Glad Rutgers won, though its bad for the big east.

Actually, since the SEC can use the excuse of we are so good can't the big east?

When Auburn beats LSU this week all will be right in the world.

[wade moore]

Well, West Virginia and USF only have 1 loss... and I'm thinking at least one of the two teams will have one loss ;).But let's face it - right or wrong a 1-loss BE team is going to slip quite a bit compared to 1-loss teams in the other conferences.

[GoSeahawks]

Was that Offensive PI illegitimate?

[Young Drachma]

Looked clear to me that he pushed off.

[astrosfan64]

Was that Offensive PI illegitimate?

It should of been a no call and I really wanted Rutgers to win.

[ISiddiqui]

But let's face it - right or wrong a 1-loss BE team is going to slip quite a bit compared to 1-loss teams in the other conferences.

While true, WVU is 9. If they go undefeated all the rest of the way (may be difficult), they have a shot.

[General Mike]

The offensive pass interference was the right call.

[TargetPractice6]

It looked like he pushed off to me. And you can't give him a free pass because of the situation because they took what would have been a critical first down away from Rutgers too.

[GoSeahawks]

I have watched it over and over on tivo, but I don't see that it was PI. It looked like it should have been a no call.

[cartman]

I really didn't see the path or momentum of the defender be affected on the play. It could have been a makeup call for the borderline holding call on the Rutgers series before.

[bhlloy]

I thought he pushed off clearly. It was a weak push, but you can't really factor that into the call.

[Doug5984]

He clearly had his hands on the defender, and it appeared to be a pushing motion- now I agree there seemed to be no force behind the push, but you have to make that call- if it isn't made then there would have been a huge uproar over the non call when he clearly had a pushing motion with his arms (again, even though there seemed to be no force behind the push).

This was a nice game for LSU- now all we have to do is win out, and we should be back in the National Championship game, although winning out will be very tough considering how bad Flynn has been playing (imo), and the very tough schedule left.

[Logan]

Wooooooooooooooooooooooo :)

Fake FG, I can't believe SF didn't expect that. Schiffano does crazy crap like that all the time.

Maybe Schiffano does shit like that all the time, but Schiano doesn't. I believe the number of fakes he's attempted during his 6.5 year tenure, prior to tonight, was one.

They rushed TWO with a spy that eventually came in and he gets sacked and doesn't THROW IT AWAY?!

Good god.

See, I was being conservative in the other thread when I said he makes 2-4 terrible decisions per game. Unfortunately for us, many of those long distances they needed to convert because of his inability to throw the ball away were easily achieved because of his pure athletic ability.

Obviously in the end it was all worth it, but boy was this a frustrating game to be at. As someone said, it was if we didn't want to take the win. The long conversions, Timmy Brown's two muffed returns, a personal foul call when we're down at the goalline, blocked FG, that ridiculous 4th quarter offense, Ray fumbling, etc. Whatever, good win that we desperately needed.

[k0ruptr]

Kansas, BC, Ohio St, Hawaii and Arizona St. are the only undefeated teams left.

[cschex]

He clearly had his hands on the defender, and it appeared to be a pushing motion- now I agree there seemed to be no force behind the push, but you have to make that call- if it isn't made then there would have been a huge uproar over the non call when he clearly had a pushing motion with his arms (again, even though there seemed to be no force behind the push).

This was a nice game for LSU- now all we have to do is win out, and we should be back in the National Championship game, although winning out will be very tough considering how bad Flynn has been playing (imo), and the very tough schedule left.

The East is much stronger than the West this year and, more importantly, the rest of our schedule doesn't have an offense anywhere close to Kentucky or Florida. Auburn is always a battle and Bama will be emotionally charged, but I think the toughest part of LSU's schedule is over with. We should win all of our conference games from this point out. I guess I'm not nearly as concerned as you are.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Man, I'm all psyched up about Mizzou's game this weekend. They're playing Texas Tech on ABC (regional) at 2:30 for those that are interested. With all of the incomplete passes during this game, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4+ hour game. The #1 offense in the nation vs. the #5 offense in the nation. Should be a track meet.

[Ksyrup]

I saw bits and parts of this game last night, most importantly the overturned USF TD, and I'm surprised that play didn't generate more discussion in this thread. I was playing cards with the sound down on the TV, so I didn'tget to hear the discussion of how/why that play was reviewable. But I'm stunned that it was reviewable.

To me, determining intent on whether a fumble was an illegal lateral or not should not be a reviewable play. That's no different, IMO, than reviewing a play and determining there was pass interference or holding after the fact. It should have been called on the field, and whatever the judgment of the refs was during the play, that should have been the call they went with.

Now, again, I didn't hear the discussion of this, so can someone fill me in - why was this reviewable? Ironically, as it happened in real time, I thought it was a no-doubt illegal lateral that should have been flagged immediately, but then when I watched the replay, I didn't think there was enough evidence of an obvious intent to throw the ball forward and that the original non-call should have been upheld.

So I think they got it wrong twice. But I'm still at a loss for why they reviewed the play to begin with. Assuming that it's one of the scenarios that is definitively allowed to be reviewed, my question is why? What makes this different than other judgment calls that are off-limits? Because that's what this is - a judgment call as to the fumbler's intent. I don't get it at all.

[Lathum]

I don't remember what they said about why it was reviewable but I am glad they did because the important thing is they got the call right.

[Ksyrup]

But you could say that about game-changing pass interference calls, too. We dont' review those to make sure that even obvious calls or non-calls are right. Like I said, my initial reaction to the play was that it should have been an obvious flag. Under the review standards, though, I thought there was enough doubt as to whether the defender started to knocked the ball out with his left hand and hit the guy's right arm causing the ball to fly forward, that I don't think the original call should have been overturned.

But apart from whether the call was right or not, I'm really more interested in how this play is reviewable, but other judgment calls are not.

[gstelmack]

Man was I disappointed, but the key difference was Rutgers played smart, South Florida did not.

On the overturned TD, I agreed with the announcers that if you overturned either of those, it had to be the first, because on the second you can clearly see the defender punching for the ball from behind and getting his arm. I don't see how you call that on the return guy. The first one was much more borderline, but at least you could make a case that he tried to shovel it instead of really pick it up as he was falling forward.

On the PI, I think it was clear the refs were calling the game VERY tight. The excessive celebration call on USF in the endzone where he threw the flag even before the guys bumped chests; I mean almost nothing had happened. The "hit out of bounds" where the guy was still running upfield and had barely crossed over when he got a light shove. The holding call on Rutgers. Etc. I think in most cases it isn't called, and in fact more typically that's interference on the DB for undercutting the route (the DB pulled up in front of him while the receiver was trying to run under it with the defender not even looking for the ball; see: DEN/NED playoff game two years ago). But at least they consistently called it very tight.

Fundamentally, this was a tale of two halves. In the first half, USF receivers kept dropping balls, and this carried over into the early part of the second half. In the second half, Grothe started taking TERRIBLE sacks when he should have been throwing it away. And yes, the spike was a HORRENDOUS decision, you can't throw away a down in that situation, especially right after losing 12 yards. I also think you can't punt on 4th-and-15 on the series before and were VERY lucky they got the ball back for one last shot.

USF did a great job in keeping Rice from beating them and shut down Teel in the process except for the long TD where they just blew the tackle. Special teams play was up-and-down but averaged out. The offense just could not get anything going consistently.

Fundamentally, Rutgers played smart, USF didn't, and Rutgers stole the game away. It was there for the taking and USF could not take it. Good game, Rutgers.

[miked]

How did USF keep Rice from beating them? He ran for 180 yds and kept a few big drives going. Sure his average wasn't very high, but that's because Rutgers ran Rice every play in the final 10 minutes when everyone knew he was just trying to jam it up the middle for a few yards and keep the clock going.

The PI was questionable, but so was the hold. The late hit out of bounds was not. It wasn't a light shove when he was 1 step out. The guy popped him after the RU player took a few steps out. Also, I thought the drops weren't really a problem in the first half as Grothe was like 9 of 12 going into the locker room. The 3rd Q was when the drops hit and I think it's just because the whole rhythm was off with the constant RU pressure.

It was a great game, I think the calls pretty much canceled out and football decided the outcome.

[Swaggs]

I would agree about not letting Rice beat them. He played his role, but Rutgers won that game with great defense, a great individual play by Underwood (the long TD where he got hit hard, but kept going after the catch), and some ballsy calls by Schiano on special teams.

[JeeberD]

Man, I'm all psyched up about Mizzou's game this weekend. They're playing Texas Tech on ABC (regional) at 2:30 for those that are interested. With all of the incomplete passes during this game, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 4+ hour game. The #1 offense in the nation vs. the #5 offense in the nation. Should be a track meet.

Incomplete passes? Harrell doesn't throw many of those... :(

[Logan]

The PI was questionable, but so was the hold. The late hit out of bounds was not. It wasn't a light shove when he was 1 step out. The guy popped him after the RU player took a few steps out.

I was at the game so maybe my view wasn't great, but even on the replay I thought Brown had barely gotten a foot out of bounds when he got knocked down. I thought it was a very generous call...his lack of size really helps when it comes to stuff like that.

Can't believe I forgot to mention that clock kill. Let's just say that when the visitors do that, and the crowd starts cheering wildly, it probably wasn't the best idea.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Incomplete passes? Harrell doesn't throw many of those... :(

Well, when each team is going to throw 45-50 passes, there's going to be a good portion of incompletions.

[Logan]

Resisting...urge...bump...week 7 thread....for st.c...

:)

The excessive celebration call on USF in the endzone where he threw the flag even before the guys bumped chests; I mean almost nothing had happened.

edit just to discuss this...was reading the RU Rivals board and apparently Flutie or James was all over this, saying it was absolutely the right call, and that it was for taunting the crowd and not celebrating...

[JeeberD]

Well, when each team is going to throw 45-50 passes, there's going to be a good portion of incompletions.

When Harrell's thrown the ball between 45 and 50 times in a game, he's averaged a mere 7 incomplete passes. OK, so he's thrown between 45 and 50 once this year. Between 35 and 60 passes, though, and it's an average of 10.2 per game. He's completing just a shade under 75% of his passes for the season.

I can't stand Tech, but Harrell and Tech's offense are a match made in heaven...

[Galaxy]

I was at the game so maybe my view wasn't great, but even on the replay I thought Brown had barely gotten a foot out of bounds when he got knocked down. I thought it was a very generous call...his lack of size really helps when it comes to stuff like that.

Can't believe I forgot to mention that clock kill. Let's just say that when the visitors do that, and the crowd starts cheering wildly, it probably wasn't the best idea.

Looks like he was on his way out of bounds when he got hit. I didn't think it was late.

[Dr. Sak]

edit just to discuss this...was reading the RU Rivals board and apparently Flutie or James was all over this, saying it was absolutely the right call, and that it was for taunting the crowd and not celebrating...

Is this the same Flutie and Craig James that called the refs idiots last week for the way they (correctly) enforced the penalty against Wake which gave FSU a first down. If you arent sure which one i am talking about, it is the call that too 15 mins to decide on who touched the ball first. Fowler, James, and Flutie referred to it many times last night.

I for one cant stand those two. I cringe when i say this but I like Mark May and Lou Holtz better in the booth.

[Logan]

Is this the same Flutie and Craig James that called the refs idiots last week for the way they (correctly) enforced the penalty against Wake which gave FSU a first down. If you arent sure which one i am talking about, it is the call that too 15 mins to decide on who touched the ball first. Fowler, James, and Flutie referred to it many times last night.

I for one cant stand those two. I cringe when i say this but I like Mark May and Lou Holtz better in the booth.

Unfortunately I wasn't watching that game so I'm not sure what you're talking about...but my point wasn't to say "Well, Flutie said it was the right call, so it must've been..." rather more to stress that it was for taunting the crowd and not celebrating excessively.

[Dr. Sak]

Unfortunately I wasn't watching that game so I'm not sure what you're talking about...but my point wasn't to say "Well, Flutie said it was the right call, so it must've been..." rather that it was for taunting the crowd and not celebrating excessively.

I got your point :) . I just wanted to bitch about James and Flutie and I forgot to do it last week.

[Logan]

Cool with me, bring it on!

[Blade6119]

Kansas, BC, Ohio St, Hawaii and Arizona St. are the only undefeated teams left.

And none of them have really played a tough schedule so far...and really, only 2 of those (BC, ASU) have a tough schedule left...

[Dr. Sak]

I wouldn't call Ohio State's easy either, at Michigan and at Penn State while home against Illinois and Wisconsin.

[sooner333]

So...who thought it would be a good idea to have Northwestern-Eastern Michigan on a Friday night at Ford Field so it could be shown on ESPNU?

[Passacaglia]

So...who thought it would be a good idea to have Northwestern-Eastern Michigan on a Friday night at Ford Field so it could be shown on ESPNU?

Could it be....a Motor City Bowl preview? The world can do nothing but wait in suspense in the weeks to come!

[CU Tiger]

This is a HUGE recruiting game for both schools. everyone does alot of recruiting in Florida

Fixed. ;)

[Blade6119]

I wouldn't call Ohio State's easy either, at Michigan and at Penn State while home against Illinois and Wisconsin.

Id disagree, so to each his own...the big 10 has been embarrassed out of conference this year, so i have a hard time giving it respect regardless of what records teams run up in conference.

[ISiddiqui]

Wow... and Connecticut with a HUGE win. I had no idea they were 5-1 (now 6-1).... snuck up on me!

[cthomer5000]

Rutgers should win this one.

I love you.

[Dr. Sak]

Id disagree, so to each his own...the big 10 has been embarrassed out of conference this year, so i have a hard time giving it respect regardless of what records teams run up in conference.

I agree with you on Arizona State, but I wouldnt call Florida State, Clemson, Miami and Maryland harder than the 4 teams tOSU has left. I know I am leaving out VT, but even they haven't proved anything besides getting spanked by LSU.

[Lathum]

Wow... and Connecticut with a HUGE win. I had no idea they were 5-1 (now 6-1).... snuck up on me!

tonights game ironicaly reminded me of this game

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores102/102269/20020926NCAAFLOUISVILLE0nr.htm

[JeeberD]

Fixed. ;)

Bullshit. The mighty Miners of UTEP are all about Texas, Cali, and a bit of 'Zona.


...except for those FSU transfers we have, that is. :)

[dime]

re: the Big East, THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!

[Lathum]

re: the Big East, THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!

You could argue the Big East is top to bottom one of the best confrences out there.

[st.cronin]

Resisting...urge...bump...week 7 thread....for st.c...

:)


:)

Go ahead, I don't mind being called out when I'm wrong.

[dime]

You could argue the Big East is top to bottom one of the best confrences out there.

I could, but I'd be lying through my ass. They did some great non-conference scheduling last year to run teams like Rutgers and WVU much higher in the polls than they deserved to be, and that has carried over to this year's inflated rankings. But I don't really think they have any top-tier teams, and it's hard for me to be impressed when they are just taking turns beating each other in games where neither team looks particularly good.

[st.cronin]

The differences between the BCS conferences are greatly exaggerated by partisans.

[Logan]

:)

Go ahead, I don't mind being called out when I'm wrong.

We're all wrong plenty of times.

But I'm wondering if you watched the game and what your thoughts are afterwards -- did your opinion on them change at all?

[st.cronin]

We're all wrong plenty of times.

But I'm wondering if you watched the game and what your thoughts are afterwards -- did your opinion on them change at all?

I only caught bits and pieces. I think where I was mistaken was that I had thought of Ray Rice as merely "good" to "very good" rather than "outstanding." In BBCF terms, I thought of him as a 3.0 or 3.5, when he's actually probably a 4.5 (on a 1-5 scale).

He looked really, really good: Far better than I had ever seen.

I did think this was the most LIKELY loss for South Florida, and I would still say they're unlikely to lose again. The same might be true of Rutgers, and the Big East could have 3 1 loss teams again.

[Scoobz0202]

Id disagree, so to each his own...the big 10 has been embarrassed out of conference this year, so i have a hard time giving it respect regardless of what records teams run up in conference.

I'd agree that the Big Ten has definitely been embarrassed this season. All of Ohio States remaining opponents are 5-2. Michigan was definitely embarrassed out of conference. Michigan State lost at wisconsin, but yes they did get beat by Northwestern. Penn State has lost at Michigan and at Illinois. Wisconsin has been beaten at Penn State and at Illinois. Illinois got beat by Missouri and Iowa. Iowa did surprise me. Then we have Michigan, who's offense has definitely picked it up. Outside of Michigan, the remaining 8 losses combined by the other four teams only one of them was out of conference.

But yes, I do agree the Big Ten is weaker this year but I would not go far to say Ohio State has an easy remaining schedule. They do play Penn State at night in Happy Valley. They also go to Ann Arbor. Easy? I don't know about that.

[st.cronin]

South Carolina, making the SEC look bad: Vanderbilt up 17-0 on them, in South Cackalack...

[General Mike]

Minnesota is making the Big Ten look bad. Down 27-21 to North Dakota State

[k0ruptr]

Oklahoma is having one of those inconsistent days again, I thought people thought they would just roll through the rest of their schedule.

[st.cronin]

Minnesota is making the Big Ten look bad. Down 27-21 to North Dakota State

That's actually not a surprise at all, No. Dakota is a better team than App. State.

[Huckleberry]

Oklahoma is having one of those inconsistent days again, I thought people thought they would just roll through the rest of their schedule.

Some people did.

[General Mike]

suck it Ben Mauk.

[Noop]

Oklahoma is just trying to hang on.

[General Mike]

Pitt upsets Cinci 24-17.

[st.cronin]

That should be a safety! He came out! Oh, boy.

[Lathum]

That should be a safety! He came out! Oh, boy.

I thought the same thing

[st.cronin]

Wow, Iowa State is getting hosed by the refs.

[Logan]

suck it Ben Mauk.

+1.

Rutgers officially controls their own destiny. Win out, and the BE title is ours.

[Celeval]

+1.

Rutgers officially controls their own destiny. Win out, and the BE title is ours.

So does Connecticut. :-D

[Logan]

True...fuckin bullshit fair catch.

[sterlingice]

Mizzou-Tech is only 7-0 and the TD was scored defensively. There's something wrong there. This game should be 21-14 or so by now (now, being halfway through the first quarter)

SI

[General Mike]

WVU up 28-0 on Miss State with 2 minutes+ left in the 1st quarter.

[sterlingice]

WVU up 28-0 on Miss State with 2 minutes+ left in the 1st quarter.

I think we can almost officially call that one for the commonwealth of West Virginia ;)

SI

[Young Drachma]

Except, West Virginia isn't a commonwealth. Virginia is, as is Kentucky. But not West Virginia. Just sayin' :)

[st.cronin]

Mississipi State, making the SEC look bad?

[sterlingice]

Except, West Virginia isn't a commonwealth. Virginia is, as is Kentucky. But not West Virginia. Just sayin' :)

I figured that was wrong as the only place I had ever heard of referred to as a commonwealth was Virginia (never had heard of Kentucky being one) but I just rolled with it.

So what makes somewhere a commonwealth?

SI

[Swaggs]

Pennsylvania is also a Commonwealth.

[Swaggs]

Notre Dame's green uniforms make them look like a high school team.

[sterlingice]

So does their offense

SI

[Swaggs]

Is this the least publicized Florida State-Miami game in like the last 25 years or what?

[larrymcg421]

I'm not sure there is a worse Div. 1 Quarterback than Kirby Freeman.

[Noop]

I'm not sure there is a worse Div. 1 Quarterback than Kirby Freeman.

Drew Weatherford.

[sterlingice]

Getting ready for KU-Colorado to start. First of a tough two game stretch for KU with Colorado and Texas A&M on the road.

SI

[larrymcg421]

Drew Weatherford.

Drew Weatherford 6.4 YPA
Kirby Freeman 3.4 YPA

And Kirby's has only gone lower since he entered today's game.

[Swaggs]

Getting ready for KU-Colorado to start. First of a tough two game stretch for KU with Colorado and Texas A&M on the road.

SI

Channel?

[Noop]

Drew Weatherford 6.4 YPA
Kirby Freeman 3.4 YPA

And Kirby's has only gone lower since he entered today's game.

Well I agree Kirby sucks but maybe I am bias against Drew because I have watched him play for three years. Either way both suck.

[larrymcg421]

Miami fakes the FG and converts a TD pass to a wide open receiver for the 24-23 lead.

[st.cronin]

Wow, Colorado-Kansas has been painful to watch.

[Swaggs]

UCLA with the pick six to go up on Cal, 30-21.

Cal was driving with a chance to kick a FG for the win.

[MrBug708]

Damn. Verner just saved Dorrell's job

[st.cronin]

I'm not sure there is a worse Div. 1 Quarterback than Kirby Freeman.

You take that back.

[larrymcg421]

Kirby I take back everything I said about you. Well, not really. You still suck, but that was a gutsy drive when we needed it most.

[larrymcg421]

Wow, if both Kirby and Kyle are hurt, who the hell does Miami put out there? Take the shirt off Mavre? I don't believe we have another scholarship QB.

[bronconick]

LMAO. This is vintage Florida State football in the 2000's.

[larrymcg421]

Woot! Yeah, it was a sloppy game but it has been miserable to be a fan of Miami teams lately. This is the best I've felt about football in a long time.

[Noop]

Florida State blows it.

[st.cronin]

If Auburn can knock off LSU, there won't be any 1 loss SEC teams - right?

[bronconick]

Last 5 minutes of any close Florida State game since 2000.

Step 1. Defense makes miracle stand to hold lead.

Step 2. Offense does nothing through play calling and execution.

Step 3. Defense watches other team march downfield. Turns average to medicore player into Heisman candidate

Step 4. Offense blows any chance of comeback.

[DeToxRox]

Sounds like Mike hart wont be playing tonight. If so, we're down to our #4 RB and our #5 is a walkon.

[DeToxRox]

Is there a cooler coach then Mark Mangino?

[st.cronin]

I really like this Kansas QB, he's fun to watch.

[duckman]

You better say nice things about him. I hear likes the taste of human flesh.

[Buccaneer]

Is there a cooler coach then Mark Mangino?

Jim Harbaugh

[Swaggs]

Is there a cooler coach then Mark Mangino?

If, by cooler, you mean amazingly large, then yes there is. He coaches Maryland.

[cartman]

I always expect to see a KU cheerleader wearing a metal bikini with a chain around her neck not too far from their head coach.

[st.cronin]

I always expect to see a KU cheerleader wearing a metal bikini with a chain around her neck not too far from their head coach.

Thanks, that image will come in handy.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Man, hard to believe that Texas Tech has fallen back so far. The MU defense is the weaker portion of our team and they put on a clinic against Harrell today. A couple of interceptions were dropped. Mizzou should have had 6 interceptions today. TT looked like a high school team.

[Blade6119]

Mizzou-Tech is only 7-0 and the TD was scored defensively. There's something wrong there. This game should be 21-14 or so by now (now, being halfway through the first quarter)

SI

Well one team turned it on :D

[JeeberD]

I laughed so hard when I saw the TT-Mizzou score... :)

[Blade6119]

My 2 favorite teams both got QB recruits this weekend!

Mizzou picked up Blaine Dalton, one of elite QBs for next year's class, while Arizona State got Jack Elway(John Elway's son if you cant make the connection)!

[Swaggs]

Maryland and UVA in a tight one on ESPN2.

[sterlingice]

Is there a cooler coach then Mark Mangino?

I still think Jowls is a notch or two below the level of talent he needs to recruit here but he's a great gameday coach. Seems very well prepared and has good plans going into the game and always seems to have the team ready and even playing a bit above its head.

SI

[Galaxy]

What a finish in LSU. Why did Auburn not use any of the timeouts to try to save time?

[Swaggs]

Les Miles thinks he is Keith Hernandez.

[Galaxy]

Did Miles say we kicked their asses or something like that?

[Swaggs]

Did Miles say we kicked their asses or something like that?

No, he just has humungous balls making a call like that.

[Galaxy]

No, he just has humungous balls making a call like that.

Oh I know. I just thought he said that in the post-game interview.

[st.cronin]

This is a good era to be an LSU fan.

[Tigercat]

Certainly enjoyable, and thats all you can ask for. Even more enjoyable than Mile's Colossal testes, as an LSU fan I have enjoyed how the coaching staff has gotten this team to fight. We were dead in the first halves against Florida and Auburn.

We may not have the best X and Os staff(although still a pretty good staff at Xs and Os) but Miles and company can get these kids to fight and play hard.

[st.cronin]

I actually think that whoever calls offensive plays for LSU is freaking brilliant. They do a fantastic job of matching their strengths against the other guys weaknesses.

[Tigercat]

I actually think that whoever calls offensive plays for LSU is freaking brilliant. They do a fantastic job of matching their strengths against the other guys weaknesses.

My only complaints of Crowton (OC) is that he tries to do too much in the course of the game and that he stretches the field too more horizontally and not enough vertically. Pellini (DC) is too conservative with his 3 gap minimal blitz packages. Despite a few complaints, overall it is a very good staff. They were outcoached in the first half on both sides of the ball though, IMO. But like the players, they came out to play in the second half.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

My 2 favorite teams both got QB recruits this weekend!

Mizzou picked up Blaine Dalton, one of elite QBs for next year's class, while Arizona State got Jack Elway(John Elway's son if you cant make the connection)!

I'm thrilled that Mizzou picked up Blaine Dalton. I've seen him play several times as he plays just down the road in my hometown. He's a great QB and should keep the string of great QB's at Mizzou going. Brad Smith-------------Chase Daniel------------Blaine Dalton. Pretty good run. Blaine Gabbert is still considering Mizzou, but I wonder if Dalton's commitment may scare him off. Dalton is that good.

[sooner333]

Did Miles say we kicked their asses or something like that?

I thought he did at first...but I think he said "we would have kicked it afterwards."

[CU Tiger]

You could argue the Big East is top to bottom one of the best confrences out there.

You could but you'd be laughed at.

Notre Dame's green uniforms make them look like a high school team.


Honey, its not the dress that makes you look fat, its the fat that makes you look fat.

[DeToxRox]

You could but you'd be laughed at.




Honey, its not the dress that makes you look fat, its the fat that makes you look fat.

Ha. Well played sir.

[VPI97]

I actually think that whoever calls offensive plays for LSU is freaking brilliant. They do a fantastic job of matching their strengths against the other guys weaknesses.
Yeah, tell me about it.

[JW]

Did Miles say we kicked their asses or something like that?

I thought that was what he said when I first heard it, but on further review, listening carefully on ESPN Classic this morning, he actually said "we had a chance to kick after that." I like "Kicked their asses" better, and hope that becomes the quasi-official version of what he said.

[k0ruptr]

Sweet , Hawaii doesn't play and they move up 2 spots in the Coaches poll.

[duckman]

Sweet , Hawaii doesn't play and they move up 2 spots in the Coaches poll.

[BCS Nazi]

No BCS bowl for you!

[/BCS Nazi]

[Blade6119]

Lol, its nice to see Arizona State at #4...its not going to last, but its nice