Werewolf LVIII: Clash of the Gods (GAME OVER)

[Lathum]

You jumped on my vote on hoops quickly. Which put him WAY out on the lead at the time. Then you unvoted and went to me. It was more the quick jump onto hoops that I found suspicious.

oh yah. I did vote for Hoops early, didn't I

[path12]

Humbug.

[Abe Sargent]

I was referring less to that than the idea that the Titans know which Olympians are in the game and can fake reveal accordingly.

Ah. We don;t know that's what AlanT was referring to, but its a good guess. That makes all reveals suspect, and I'm not sure I buy that.

To be fair, Ares seems like a pretty major god to not be in teh game at all.

[Poli]

Bed is calling soon.

[Schmidty]

Holy crap. When I left at like 5:45, there was only 6 pages.

[RendeR]

OK, we have a lot of weird shit going down here. I'm gonna open myself up to scrutiny by listing out the people I trust in the groupings/order that I trust them:


Most trusted:
Barkeep
Daddytorgo
Anxiety - Aries

Sortof trusted, no bad vibes yet:
St Cronin
Lathum
Schmidty
Hoopsguy

Very Suspicious:(mostly gut feelings, perhaps some voting isues)
Racer - nothing firm, but the whole be nice to the newbie on day 1 thing really pinged my radar today and its still singing when I ponder him atm.


Anyone else is pretty neutral, Ardent is always someone to consider, he's been real quiet this game, but thats not a huge issue to me. Raiders got pretty defensive when I called his name early day 1, so he may be hiding something too. Then of course there is always Telle. She's a pretty good wol, so she may well be a titan in hiding. (love you honey)

thats what I got atm.

[RendeR]

Holy crap. When I left at like 5:45, there was only 6 pages.


yeah we sorta went ape-shit crazy posting abck and forth.

[Lathum]

How on earth can you semi trust me with the great case barkeep made against me?

[RendeR]

How on earth can you semi trust me with the great case barkeep made against me?


Well, to be honest, its too easy of a case to jump on. You're never that obvious about anything. You defended path, but I also understand why you did, you believe in not killing off quality villagers on the first day for no good reason.

Also, while you were on the opposite side as barkeep, you had a valid point and you stuck with it. Most players as olves tend to see their argument getting ignored/beaten down and look for something else, you didn't, you stuck with your guns.

Now does that mean I trust you absolutely? NO.

Does that mean I can see another side of your possible game decisions? yes.

I figure at worst you're a monster or perhaps even a human in league with the titans.

My gut tells me yer safe though so I'll hold off judgement on you for now.

[ntndeacon]

Hey guys/gals, out for the night. We got a Titan and no first day seer loss, so all in all, not too bad.

Am I the only one a little concerned at the loss of the goddess of Wisdom? The idea that Athena has seer like abilities seems very possible.

[Chief Rum]

So the big question is: Why am I alive and path is dead? Clearly I threw 5 points at path. But that ought not to have been enough. DT is now claiming to have thrown some, which surprises me since he'd given no indication all day he was open to the idea. Were the Titans so arrogant as to assume that the vote count would be accurate? Or were the Titans not around? Seems to me like a line of discussion.

Well, now that I have seen what happened, I will be the first to admit I must be wrong about Barkeep. No way a Titan leads a mad charge at Cronus less than 100 posts before deadline. So BK, you are on my trust list now, for what that's worth. I give similar good support for Render, Neon (duh, obviously attacked anyway) and DaddyTorgo, since they also moved to path late.

But my vote, and I am guessing many others there for Barkeep, was a Day One vote, with little to go on. Not to say there aren't Titans there. The numbers alone say there are (not too many other places to go with their votes). But I suspect Barkeep and Neon were much more a Day One target for most, with a handful of Titans using them as cover. So I would say Titans are in those two voting groups, but there will be Olympians there as well. We have to regard the whole group as suspicious (including myself, I acknowledge) until proven otherwise, but hopefully we will see other indications as to which are actual Titans and which are just your usual poorly guided Day One votes.

I have some thoughts on how the Barkeep versus path12 vote brokedown, which I will get to in a second.

[Chief Rum]

Woops, I found an error, this should be the final vote count I mean:

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)
neon chaos - purduebrad (135), Ardent Enthusiast (316), St.cronin (370), hoopsguy (375)
Path - Barkeep (315), render (324), daddytorgo (328), neon chaos (330)
anxiety - anxiety (132), Raiders Army (140), schmidty (201)
Hoopsguy - racer (208)


Okay, here is the final vote.

Barkeep has claimed 4 points on path (of course, since this was the reason I voted for him), and I have no reason to doubt him. Given path was lynched, I have no reason to doubt DT's 4 point reveal either. So at limit, we have at least 10 voting points on path. Neon said earlier today he would be maximizing his ability (which, I guess, still didn't work out so well, or perhaps he was petrified before he got to use his AP points), so I would guess he put on just the one point. Render, did you put down just one point?

I think most people put down 1 point, unless stated otherwise, in order to maximize their abilities (we all have them, I would guess). So I'm going to assume right now that 10 points were on path.

That means that 10 points is the limit Barkeep received from seven players, and it was likely less, 7-9. So most votes on BK had to be of the one point variety. path was in that group, too, so you would guess he didn't just put one point down (unless he was overconfident, not sure). Passacaglia, an Olympian, was also a voter (I would guess one point).

So BK voters around at deadline have to be looked at it with at least somewhat a more positive view, because if they were Titans, they would certainly have increased their points on BK to ensure path gets saved. Not a clear by any means, of course, just food for thought.

I used posting within 15 minutes of deadline as my standard.

Of the seven BK voters, Telle and Lathum both posted just a few minutes before deadline. So that proves to me they were around at the deadline. The other BK voters without "proof" they were around are myself (I last posted around 6 p.m. PDT, an hour before deadline), ntndeacon and Arlington Colt. So I would look at Telle and Lathum with less suspicion right now then the latter three (if I were not me; I, of course, trust me completely).

As for myself, I was online and in the thread reading along until a half hour after deadline (but before Alan posted results). Unfortunately, I didn't post after my 6 p.m. post, just reading along, so I can't prove that. Don;t know if anyone saw me in the thread. Read into that what you will, though. I was around to "up" my points on Barkeep to save path if I was a Titan, but I did not, using but the one point. But I acknowledge that does nothing to clear me (nor should it).

One other thing that occurred to me--Neon had a lot of his voters around at deadline (Purdue, cronin and hoops), so does that clear them or not? Not sure it does so much, because there were less votes on Neon. You could argue with 7 BK votes that a couple Titans in the mix could likely put it away with that many individual votes. Not so much with Neon voters. Even if every Neon voter had 2 points on his vote, eight points is unlikely to beat out Barkeep's votes. So Titans on Neon were unlikely to up their points. If we assume the Titans split their votes, I would guess we have at most a couple (including path) on Barkeep, and maybe as much as two on Neon as well.

Just throwing this all out there to be considered while I am away tomorrow, although I should be back again in the late afternoon like I was today.

[Barkeep49]

CR: Good anlaysis except that I put 5 votes, not 4 on path. I'm not sure from DT's message if he put 4 on path or 5. So it moves up, slightly, the amount of possible votes on path. This makes it somewhat likely that a titan could have bumped up the votes on me, while still doing some other action.

[Raiders Army]

I agree we need to look at the voters for BK. I'm certain there is a wolf in there somewhere.

[Lathum]

well that was a slow overnight...

I'll be out most of the day FWIW.

[PurdueBrad]

One other thing that occurred to me--Neon had a lot of his voters around at deadline (Purdue, cronin and hoops), so does that clear them or not? Not sure it does so much, because there were less votes on Neon. You could argue with 7 BK votes that a couple Titans in the mix could likely put it away with that many individual votes. Not so much with Neon voters. Even if every Neon voter had 2 points on his vote, eight points is unlikely to beat out Barkeep's votes. So Titans on Neon were unlikely to up their points. If we assume the Titans split their votes, I would guess we have at most a couple (including path) on Barkeep, and maybe as much as two on Neon as well.


CR, good analysis. I already admitted to throwing three points on Neon_Chaos although it does sound like everybody else only threw one on him. If there is a Titan on Neon, it isn't me but I'm certainly as worthy of suspicion as anyone else there.

[DaddyTorgo]

i put 4pts on Path because that was the maximum that Alan said I could put on him (1 pt to be reserved for actions, even if you don't use it).

the reason i did this: i didn't feel that D1 was a good day to use my action, although I maintain that I could have up until I saw things suspicious with path and thought that saving Neon and Barkeep was the stronger play

[Raiders Army]

I'll go first today as I might not be in later. Getting bad vibes from ArlingtonColt so...

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

[DaddyTorgo]

love love CR's analysis. particularly because it's not self-serving and an attempt to clear himself.

[DaddyTorgo]

hi thomkal - more playing from you please!

[DaddyTorgo]

RendeR - what are your feelings on Neon Chaos? Are you inclined to trust him as much as Barkeep given that the two were in similar situations yesterday?

[RendeR]

I've got the sinus head cold death infection from hell, so I'll be in and out in short spurts (even if I apear to be here I may not be.)

I put 2 points on Path12.

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)

Of these voters for barkeep I'm pretty sure we can trust Lathum and Pass is dead. I'd bet by collection of greek tragedies that there is at least 1 more Titan on the remaining list of:

Chief Rum
NtnDeacon
Arlington Colt
Telle

Chief put in some real good analysis there and I'm interested to hear what the others have to say. So lets here some commentary from them.

[RendeR]

RendeR - what are your feelings on Neon Chaos? Are you inclined to trust him as much as Barkeep given that the two were in similar situations yesterday?


I don't have a reason to trust or distrut him at this point. he offered to reveal his role to gain trust, which, personally, seems like a desperate attempt at hiding in plain sight, though I could be wrong.

At this point I wouldn't vote for Neon, but I probably wouldn't move a vote to save him either.

I'm assuming Medusa is in the game since Neon is now a rather sad little statue of himself.

[PurdueBrad]

DT, I know you are asking RendeR about Neon, but my feeling is (unless making a fairly gutsy play) that Neon is good which means I was wrong all day yesterday. So back to the drawing board for me.

[PurdueBrad]

Am I the only one a little concerned at the loss of the goddess of Wisdom? The idea that Athena has seer like abilities seems very possible.

It is possible although I'm not necessarily sure that powers are tied to the role as they were in previous games. If we think that is the case though, Ares is probably important as well given the role of God of War.

[DaddyTorgo]

Purdue - Thanks. Always interested in other's insights too. Should have made that a more general question.

I think it's fairly clear that powers are in some ways tied to characters, both from knowing what my power is, as well as from seeing Neon turned to stone (an odd choice unless medusa is in the game, which in turn means medusa is in the game IMO).

[PurdueBrad]

Okay, then the verification is good because mine isn't really tied into mine. It's a rather strange connection actually. That being said though, I should've figured out that most are related with Medusa and Neon's situation.

[RendeR]

My ability matches my role exactly. I'm not sure Athena would specifially be a seer type character. I'm thinking that the abilities that most of us have fit in well with the character we were given and the seer/BG/etc etc are add-ons to those abilities.

[Thomkal]

hi thomkal - more playing from you please!

heya DT. That's three "votes" asking me to play. I may have to do it now. :)

[RendeR]

Always good to have more people thomkal! I'll need at least 18 for my gaqme so feel free to join up for the next one!

[Barkeep49]

My ability matches my role exactly. I'm not sure Athena would specifially be a seer type character. I'm thinking that the abilities that most of us have fit in well with the character we were given and the seer/BG/etc etc are add-ons to those abilities.
That seems weird to me. I would agree that Athena isn't necessarily the seer (I can think of another God who I think would, based on their abilities make more sense as a seer) but I think Athena certainly had some ability tied to her role, whether it was wisdom or battle.

[st.cronin]

Barkeep, I think the maximum APs you can put on a vote is 4.

[ntndeacon]

If Athena isn't the seer then great. Still the idea of losing wisdom is not a pleasant one.

[st.cronin]

I've got the sinus head cold death infection from hell, so I'll be in and out in short spurts (even if I apear to be here I may not be.)

I put 2 points on Path12.

Barkeep - Ntndeacon (159), lathum (210), Chief Rum (261), Arlington (277), passacaglia (324), path (352), telle (376)

Of these voters for barkeep I'm pretty sure we can trust Lathum and Pass is dead. I'd bet by collection of greek tragedies that there is at least 1 more Titan on the remaining list of:

Chief Rum
NtnDeacon
Arlington Colt
Telle

Chief put in some real good analysis there and I'm interested to hear what the others have to say. So lets here some commentary from them.


I'm not sure Lathum is trusted. I'm also not sure I trust RendeR. But I'll probably vote for one of those players, anyway, as it seems like a good place to start.

[ntndeacon]

I will say that I was not near a computer from about 5:30 until after the deadline. So I was unable to affect my points after that point in any way.

[ntndeacon]

in terms of insights A lot of what I think currently goes along with what several have said. (I realize that isn't a big help, but i will say it regardless) The path voters are more trusted now. (not completely trusted mind you. I know I was even the convicting vote for a wolf in one game when I was a wolf...But trusted enough though.)
I suspect that the wolves split up thier votes. So I am more apt to vote for someone who voted for someone besides Barkeep and path.

[Barkeep49]

Barkeep, I think the maximum APs you can put on a vote is 4.
This keeps getting floated around. Where are people seeing this? I must be wrong, I just don't see it in the rules as we get 5 APs have to use 1 to vote. WE're then limited to place 3 of our remaining 4 APs on powering up the vote?

[st.cronin]

Alan has posted that 1 AP is reserved for voting, and 1 AP is reserved for action. The other 3 can be used to strengthen either action. So the maximum APs for an action is 4, and the maximum APs for a vote is also 4.

That's my understanding.

[Poli]

I told Alan I wanted to use 4AP last night in my action. I wasn't told that was impossible.

[Poli]

Nevermind. That doesn't fit with what you're saying, does it.

[Alan T]

This keeps getting floated around. Where are people seeing this? I must be wrong, I just don't see it in the rules as we get 5 APs have to use 1 to vote. WE're then limited to place 3 of our remaining 4 APs on powering up the vote?

Its mentioned briefly in the rules, but I also posted this clarification:

This is correct. You have 5 total APs each day (unless your role says otherwise). You MUST use 1 AP on a vote for that day or be penalized. You have 1 AP reserved for an action (which is optional and does not have to be performed if you do not choose). The remaining 3 AP can be spent either on strengthening your vote or strengthening your Action, or just left unused.

Anyone who sends in a PM stating a vote of 5 AP will be assumed to be 4 AP on the vote and the 1 AP for the action left unused/wasted. Anyone who votes but does not send in a PM will be assumed to spend 1 AP on the vote and leaving 4 AP unused/wasted.


Unless your role says otherwise, you are capped at 4AP for the vote regardless if you use an action or not. Anyone who submitted a 5AP vote yesterday will have been capped at 4AP for their vote with 1 wasted point regardless if they got a PM or not, unless their role dictates otherwise.

[Barkeep49]

Thanks Alan.

[Poli]

I'll get this out of the way quick.

VOTE LATHUM


(currently 1 AP)

[Abe Sargent]

I agree with Chief Rum's really good analysis, which points to ntndeacon, CR himself, or AC as good votes. I'll be looking this way today probably.

[ArlingtonColt]

I agree on the good analysis... I know I am an Olympian and I'm against revealing, but I will if i have to save myself. I only put1 point on my vote last night, because really it was a random day 1 vote and I had nothing to base it on (except lathum's theory).

[Lathum]

wow, hit and run by Ardent...

[RendeR]

wow, hit and run by Ardent...


Its weird, when I can't possibly trust you, everyone else does, when I do trust you even a little, no one else does.

Just weird.

[Lathum]

Its weird, when I can't possibly trust you, everyone else does, when I do trust you even a little, no one else does.

Just weird.

that's my game :)

[Lathum]

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

[Poli]

Hit and run? I've been here all day.

[Barkeep49]

I won't be voting for AC today, baring further revelations, because he admitted that he cast more than 1 AP on a person. I respect that.

[Barkeep49]

Its weird, when I can't possibly trust you, everyone else does, when I do trust you even a little, no one else does.

Just weird.
Render I haven't stated this because you trust me, but it sure does seem like you trust an awful lot of people. This makes me slightly uncomfortable so early in the game.

[Abe Sargent]

I won't be voting for AC today, baring further revelations, because he admitted that he cast more than 1 AP on a person. I respect that.

That's not what he just said. He just said his vote was 1 ap.

[Abe Sargent]

I agree on the good analysis... I know I am an Olympian and I'm against revealing, but I will if i have to save myself. I only put1 point on my vote last night, because really it was a random day 1 vote and I had nothing to base it on (except lathum's theory).

See, just one point according to him.

[ArlingtonColt]

I used 1 for the vote and 4 for my ability.... I really don't want to reveal.

[ArlingtonColt]

[B]Vote Lathum[B]

[ArlingtonColt]

Vote Lathum

[DaddyTorgo]

btw...just want to state for the record: game 1 of the WS is more important to me than being here constantly until deadline.

i will be around to lay a vote (hopefully an informed one), but i might not be too active discussion-wise once it hits around...6:30 or 7pm EST.

[Racer]

Okay, I've caught up and I have a question. How does discussing how many AP votes each player spent last night on the vote help the Olympians? The reason why I ask this is that aside from neon_chaos or Barkeep, it seems that anyone using most or all their AP’s on the vote last night probably don’t have an important role such as seer or bodyguard (assuming those roles are in this game). The reason I say this is that I find it hard to believe anyone was confident enough in their vote that they would forgo looking at or protecting someone to strengthen their vote. So in effect, it seems it would help out the Titans to know how many AP's a person spent on their vote. Is more information always better? Because many people seem to think that.

[Barkeep49]

Ok so perhaps I will vote for AC after all. Was it Purdue who voted 3 AP then?

Also, I plan on using my role today which will obviously affect how many APs I am putting into my vote.

[PurdueBrad]

Ok so perhaps I will vote for AC after all. Was it Purdue who voted 3 AP then?

Also, I plan on using my role today which will obviously affect how many APs I am putting into my vote.

Yeah BK, it was me that voted 3 AP on Neon_Chaos. It was my fault for jumping on Hoops' move.

[Barkeep49]

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT
How did you decide on AC versus others on CR's list?

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay, I've caught up and I have a question. How does discussing how many AP votes each player spent last night on the vote help the Olympians? The reason why I ask this is that aside from neon_chaos or Barkeep, it seems that anyone using most or all their AP’s on the vote last night probably don’t have an important role such as seer or bodyguard (assuming those roles are in this game). The reason I say this is that I find it hard to believe anyone was confident enough in their vote that they would forgo looking at or protecting someone to strengthen their vote. So in effect, it seems it would help out the Titans to know how many AP's a person spent on their vote. Is more information always better? Because many people seem to think that.

very good point by the noob. i think we all need to shut up with how many AP's we're spending (or the important roles should just lie)

[Abe Sargent]

This is a temporary vote on one of the current suspects under teh radar. AC is getting some votes, so I want to put some pressure on another candidate. This could remain temporary or no.

Vote ntndeacon

[PurdueBrad]

I'm throwing another placeholder out there today and perhaps this one will be just that, a placeholder. I'll be maximizing my power tonight and not sure how much I'll be on after about 6 pm CST given we have a softball double-header and the Sox World Series. Anyway, look forward to reading some discussion hopefully.

Vote Arlington Colt

[ArlingtonColt]

Okay, I've caught up and I have a question. How does discussing how many AP votes each player spent last night on the vote help the Olympians? The reason why I ask this is that aside from neon_chaos or Barkeep, it seems that anyone using most or all their AP’s on the vote last night probably don’t have an important role such as seer or bodyguard (assuming those roles are in this game). The reason I say this is that I find it hard to believe anyone was confident enough in their vote that they would forgo looking at or protecting someone to strengthen their vote. So in effect, it seems it would help out the Titans to know how many AP's a person spent on their vote. Is more information always better? Because many people seem to think that.

It could be some people throwing a hint... thats all.

[Barkeep49]

Racer: Last night the vote did not go down the way a plurality of people wanted it to. They wanted me dead. Now it just happened that group was wrong, but what happens next time when a minority, using AP, kill somebody who is a villager, perhaps even a villager with an important role. Having a sense of where we're at for the vote is, to me, an incredibly important part of our daily routine.

[Lathum]

How did you decide on AC versus others on CR's list?

I didn't use CR's list.

I realize it's early but it looks lke there may be some heat on me and I woun't be home most of the night so I wanted to vote for someone who already has a vote.

[Poli]

Hmm. I wonder...with hoops AWOL and Neon muted, are they penalized for not voting this time around or are they given a pass for it?

[Lathum]

I would assume they aren't penelized.

[Lathum]

ok, I am leaving in a few minutes but I am gonna take a chance and not reveal.

I may not be back until close to the deadline so those of you who are around please be ready in case I have to reveal.

[Poli]

I'd hate to assume anything after that last crap game I played.

[DaddyTorgo]

ok, I am leaving in a few minutes but I am gonna take a chance and not reveal.

I may not be back until close to the deadline so those of you who are around please be ready in case I have to reveal.


i think that's for the best. i should be home by deadline...i just may not be paying the world's closest attention, but enough to move if i have to.

still no idea where my vote should go

[ArlingtonColt]

I'm going out to eat tonight with my g/f and I'm not sure if I'll be back before the deadline...

I am Hephaestus the God of smithing, an olympian.

[DaddyTorgo]

mmm...i'd like to save AC, knowing the usual types of roles that Alan makes.

[Racer]

Racer: Last night the vote did not go down the way a plurality of people wanted it to. They wanted me dead. Now it just happened that group was wrong, but what happens next time when a minority, using AP, kill somebody who is a villager, perhaps even a villager with an important role. Having a sense of where we're at for the vote is, to me, an incredibly important part of our daily routine.

We'll have have to agree to disagree especially for a day one vote. I just feel revealing the number of AP votes used probably helps the Titans more then us because in my opinion it quite possibly narrows the list of players that could have important roles.

[RendeR]

Render I haven't stated this because you trust me, but it sure does seem like you trust an awful lot of people. This makes me slightly uncomfortable so early in the game.


I have a fairly small true CoT it includes myself and DT, My role has allowed that to happen. I trust you because I saw how the vote was going and beieved that you and lathum were villager/villager going at one another.

I beyond that there is always room for movement up or down the trust lader. I just thin we ought to keep the nmain group together while we work out a few others to bring into the CoT that I have already.

[RendeR]

I'll be out for awhle again. I'm sick and sleep is the only real option right now.

back in a while.

[Poli]

Racer, I'm thinking we all have something special we can do. I'm not sure revealing AP usage is harmful if we all do.

[Racer]

I used 1 for the vote and 4 for my ability.... I really don't want to reveal.

Arlington Colt, if you get lynched tonight, I'm guessing using 4 APs on your ability isn't going to do any good.

[DaddyTorgo]

*shrug* i dunno what you're talking about RendeR. I haven't been contacted by you or anybody else. Not like Lathum where I had a midnight visitor or anything.

Don't know why you're trying so hard to link the two of us. Maybe because you have something to hide. Or else you have some knowledge of my goodness some other way.

[Poli]

Interesting.

[Racer]

Vote ntndeacon

He voted for the same person as path last night and from what I can tell has been under the radar. This isn't definite, but I need a reason to switch my vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

i need a reason to vote for someone in the next like...hour

[Schmidty]

I am exhausted. Normal 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. shift. Wife work s at 7:30 a.m. I take daughter to school at 8:30. She gets out at 11:30, but has the jogathon after school (f'ing pta), and then I have to cover from 5 - 8 p.m. at work. Then 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. again. sorry to whine, and sound like excuses, but I'm here for a few, and that's it.

I have no reason for this other than vibes:

Vote ArlingtonColt

[Poli]

I'll go first today as I might not be in later. Getting bad vibes from ArlingtonColt so...

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

I'll get this out of the way quick.

VOTE LATHUM


(currently 1 AP)

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

Vote Lathum

This is a temporary vote on one of the current suspects under teh radar. AC is getting some votes, so I want to put some pressure on another candidate. This could remain temporary or no.

Vote ntndeacon


I'm throwing another placeholder out there today and perhaps this one will be just that, a placeholder. I'll be maximizing my power tonight and not sure how much I'll be on after about 6 pm CST given we have a softball double-header and the Sox World Series. Anyway, look forward to reading some discussion hopefully.

Vote Arlington Colt

Vote ntndeacon

He voted for the same person as path last night and from what I can tell has been under the radar. This isn't definite, but I need a reason to switch my vote.

Votes thus far as far as I could tell.

1) Render
2) Barkeep
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE
By my count, we have 8 non-voters thus far and 2 others that likely won't. I'm concerned about my vote on Lathum at this point (having re-read CR's comment from early this morning...however, with Arlington's reveal and ntndeacon nowhere around 4 hours till deadline, I wonder what's going on here.

[st.cronin]

I'm going to

VOTE RENDER

The tone of some of his posts has been perplexing.

[Poli]

SONOFA. Schmidty wrecks my post.

[Racer]

Racer, I'm thinking we all have something special we can do. I'm not sure revealing AP usage is harmful if we all do.

This may be true, but my main concern is that some things people can do are more important/special then what others can do and thus some people are unlikely to ever spend all their APs on the vote unless it is to save their own skin.

[Poli]

Now cronin too.

1) Render
2) Barkeep
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE
Render: cronin

Fixed, I think.

[Poli]

This may be true, but my main concern is that some things people can do are more important/special then what others can do and thus some people are unlikely to ever spend all their APs on the vote unless it is to save their own skin.
In which case, aren't we on the honor system as for how many AP we're using? I don't see how it matters.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm not inclined to vote render, despite what i said earlier. nor am i inclined to vote AC since his unchallenged reveal.

of the people with votes already, the only person i feel okay voting for is ntn. so due to that

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Poli]

And here's ntn. Magic.

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE
Render: cronin

I'll likely switch my vote to ntn unless I hear otherwise.

[DaddyTorgo]

very interesting AE. did you happen to notice who else was in the thread when i placed my vote (i didn't notice). maybe someone tipped him off?

[Barkeep49]

AE: Great job with that vote count there. I'm leaving shortly for basketball but will be back before lynch. But to help move the discussion along I'm going to cast a vote for now with the guy I trust the least.

Vote Lathum

I could be convinced to go AC though depending on how things go down.

[st.cronin]

What was AC's "unchallenged reveal"?

[Poli]

very interesting AE. did you happen to notice who else was in the thread when i placed my vote (i didn't notice). maybe someone tipped him off?
Hoops, maybe? I'm not sure. I was going around doing the multiple quote thing and piecing that 2 cent voting thing together.

[DaddyTorgo]

he said:

I am Hephaestus the God of smithing, an olympian.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hoops, maybe? I'm not sure. I was going around doing the multiple quote thing and piecing that 2 cent voting thing together.

i don't think i've seen hoopy in thread all day

[Poli]

What was AC's "unchallenged reveal"?
I can't remember the name, but he said he's the god of smithing. Heph-something, I think.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm going out to eat tonight with my g/f and I'm not sure if I'll be back before the deadline...

I am Hephaestus the God of smithing, an olympian.


AC's reveal.

[ntndeacon]

Vote ntndeacon

He voted for the same person as path last night and from what I can tell has been under the radar. This isn't definite, but I need a reason to switch my vote.

Ok this is the second person to say this about me this game. I don't see how I have been really under the radar. Normally I am under the radar, but I have made a bigger effort to post when I could and do it in blocks.

I will again say what my major problem with Chief's analysis (other than the fact it points to me among others :) ) I am making the assumption that we started out with 3 bad Titans. I just don't buy that 2 of the 3 titans were on the same guy in the first day. Now I admit this is just a theory, but since we know path voted for Barkeep, I am willing to give the others that voted for him a little break. And keeps them all from my least trusted list today.

Currently iam considering looking at the voters of Anxiety, Hoops and Neon.

[Poli]

i don't think i've seen hoopy in thread all day
I'm almost positive I've "seen" him, but I don't think we'll hear from him.

[DaddyTorgo]

who were those who voted for anxiety/hoops/neon?

[ntndeacon]

And here's ntn. Magic.

Magic indeed. I leave to go to a meeting...internet working. I come back...not so much.

[st.cronin]

Come on, that's not a reveal. That means nothing.

[DaddyTorgo]

Come on, that's not a reveal. That means nothing.

true i suppose. i was just thinking "smith...might make magical items for use...good guy"

[DaddyTorgo]

interestingly: in Greek thought, the fates of the goddess of wisdom and war (Athena) and the god of th forge that makes the weapons of war were linked.

[PurdueBrad]

Guys, I'm likely out until just about deadline. I'm leaving my vote as is for now but am willing to change.

DT, I see the "reveal" you are talking about it and it is the one thing, at this point, that is making me consider moving my vote.

Go Sox, and see you guys in a little bit.

[DaddyTorgo]

then again, claiming hephaestus doesn't necessarily make him a good olympian. hephaestus had his darker side, and who knows how the randomizing came up. *shrugs*

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK
Render: cronin

[RendeR]

*shrug* i dunno what you're talking about RendeR. I haven't been contacted by you or anybody else. Not like Lathum where I had a midnight visitor or anything.

Don't know why you're trying so hard to link the two of us. Maybe because you have something to hide. Or else you have some knowledge of my goodness some other way.


I never said I had contacted you. Simply that You are a person I trust.

[ntndeacon]

After looking through the people voting for someone other than Barkeep or path I have a couple of observations...

First, I do not know whether it is just not knowing a lot about the game or nerves or that he is a Titan or a bad guy at least. Racer seems to be throwing out there some highly questionable things out there. For example what seems to me to be the main reason he is voting for me is that I voted along with path. There may be one other bad guy in the group who voted for BK but I kinda doubt it at the moment, and certainly not ALL of those that voted with path could be guilty. Note also that mine was the very first vote on Barkeep when it was a two man race. I will also note that Racer has been under the radar quite a bit.

I was a little surprised to seeing posts from cronin so little on the first day, but at the moment am just attributing that to him being busy as it seems he has started to post more today.

I am not sure what to make of RA and AE right now. If I had to choose early in the day if one was bad, I would have chosen AE,,, now not as sure. Of course the helpful wolf has been played before.


So after due thought and careful deliberation I will

Vote Racer

[ntndeacon]

then again, claiming hephaestus doesn't necessarily make him a good olympian. hephaestus had his darker side, and who knows how the randomizing came up. *shrugs*

Why are you so sure there ARE bad Olympians. I agree hephaestus has a temper, but he is an Olympian.

[DaddyTorgo]

interesting. guys i'm out of here in like 10 minutes. i likely will not be home until very close to deadline. i will try to check in on my phone at the party depending, but i am not sure it will allow me to vote (pocket internet explorer sucks donkey balls with vbb).

[Poli]

Interesting vote.

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Arlington Colt
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: RA, Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK
Render: cronin
Racer: ntndeacon

Hmm. We're all about here now, save CR and Telle. Render's been in and out, but hasn't cast a vote.

[DaddyTorgo]

Why are you so sure there ARE bad Olympians. I agree hephaestus has a temper, but he is an Olympian.

i'm just saying, there could be.

the possibility is open. why are you trying to convince me not to move my vote to AC when my vote is on you at the moment?

that's either ballsy covering wolf-play, or seriously concerned villager-play

[DaddyTorgo]

i find cronin's relatively hit-n-run vote for render interesting....

[ntndeacon]

i'm just saying, there could be.

the possibility is open. why are you trying to convince me not to move my vote to AC when my vote is on you at the moment?

that's either ballsy covering wolf-play, or seriously concerned villager-play

Well I assume that question will be answered tonight about my style of play. But I do not see that possibility as being open. The rules are pretty clear on that to me. I would also guess that Aphrodite is more likely to be in the game since Hephaestus is (zHusband and Wife if iremember my mythology correctly.)

[DaddyTorgo]

okay...i'm out!

[ntndeacon]

Well folks I am out till at least 8:30 -8:45 (all times are central time :) ) Chior calls.

[st.cronin]

i find cronin's relatively hit-n-run vote for render interesting....

I haven't run.

[Chief Rum]

CR: Good anlaysis except that I put 5 votes, not 4 on path. I'm not sure from DT's message if he put 4 on path or 5. So it moves up, slightly, the amount of possible votes on path. This makes it somewhat likely that a titan could have bumped up the votes on me, while still doing some other action.

I thought Alan said you could only put in four points yesterday. One point is always reserved for vote and one is always reserved for action. The rest are for your choosing, but that's only three points. So four total.

[Chief Rum]

Its mentioned briefly in the rules, but I also posted this clarification:



Unless your role says otherwise, you are capped at 4AP for the vote regardless if you use an action or not. Anyone who submitted a 5AP vote yesterday will have been capped at 4AP for their vote with 1 wasted point regardless if they got a PM or not, unless their role dictates otherwise.

Whoops, Alan covered it. Nevermind. :)

[Poli]

Almost time for must see tv.

I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.

[Raiders Army]

I'm really impressed that we nailed a Titan on Day 1.

That being said, I hope we can keep it up. Since AC did a reveal and no one has opposed it (hopefully Neon isn't Heph), I'll unvote.

UNVOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

I have three people in my CoT right now...but they are not going in the same direction. I'm going with

VOTE LATHUM

since AC voted for him and Lathum voted for AC after me.

[Raiders Army]

Almost time for must see tv.

I'll be in and out like a fiddler's elbow.

Yeah, some good shit on tonight. I loves me some Kid Nation and Kitchen Nightmares...and Phenomenon is on tonight as well!

[Poli]

We're watching Kid Nation now. No idea what else is on yet.

[RendeR]

I'm really impressed that we nailed a Titan on Day 1.

That being said, I hope we can keep it up. Since AC did a reveal and no one has opposed it (hopefully Neon isn't Heph), I'll unvote.

UNVOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

I have three people in my CoT right now...but they are not going in the same direction. I'm going with

VOTE LATHUM

since AC voted for him and Lathum voted for AC after me.


I'm not sure but I tihnk AC's reveal came after lathum left?

If not then I agree with you and may vote that way, but if he left first I'll wait a bit before making up my mind.

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Render: cronin
Racer: ntndeacon

[st.cronin]

Ardent, have you been tracking whether people have been claiming more than 1 AP for their vote?

[Poli]

I didn't track that, but when I first started tracking I quoted the votes. I don't recall anyone saying it was a 1 AP vote other than me.

[Raiders Army]

I'm not sure but I tihnk AC's reveal came after lathum left?

If not then I agree with you and may vote that way, but if he left first I'll wait a bit before making up my mind.

Yeah, I'm not sure about anything other than the 3 (possibly 4 if AC is on the level) that are in my CoT.

I wonder what happened to hoops?

[Poli]

I've got a guess. Could he be the messenger?

[Poli]

Hermes - Messenger of Heaven...didn't have to quote it from Alan T. Show's back on.

[RendeR]

I've got a guess. Could he be the messenger?

Can you expound upon this a bit? what makes you think so?

[Chief Rum]

Hmm, I don't know that today's voting patterns are very satisfactory for me. The best candidate, I think, is Arlington Colt, prior to reveal, but like others, I am reluctant right now to just lynch someone who claims to be an Olympian, at least not without some further evidence.

That said, everyone here is giving too much weight to reveals. I mean, Alan as much as said the wolves have ways to work around mass reveals. Someone suggested that they might know what roles are in the game, and having used that myself in a game as a GM, I have to think that is a strong possibility. If so, no reveal (by character name, that is) is in and of itself a voucher for safety. For all we know, Hephaestus is not in the game, AC is a Titan and is hiding his identity, and since he theoretically would know who is in the game, his "reveal" goes unchallenged.

So not saying he isn't who he says he is, but we should probably not look the other way so fast just because of a reveal.

As to the rest of the options, Lathum is a tough sell for me, because if he is a Titan, why would he and path let path get lynched yesterday? I already showed how close that vote likely was, and noted that Lathum was around at the deadline (proven by his posting).

ntndeacon fits the bill best if we let AC slide for now, although my vibe says he's good. Votes on Render just confuse me, as I think he comes off pretty good from yesterday. I would look askance at anyone voting for Render or Barkeep or Neon right now--it doesn't make sense without a ton more evidence that they would be Titans. So cronin is on the list (but he sorta always he is, isn't he?).

Anyway, I'm going to go with ntndeacon for now, but it's a vote I can change.

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Chief Rum]

Can you expound upon this a bit? what makes you think so?

Everyone in the game is here, right? Who's hoops delivering a message to that would take him away from the game? No, while I don't discount the possibility he is Hermes, I don't think he is delivering a message. I think he is incognito for game purposes, probably as a result of an action taken against him last night. We will probably see him back tonight. Much like Neon, though, he likely isn't able to participate until the deadline.

[st.cronin]

Hmm, I don't know that today's voting patterns are very satisfactory for me. The best candidate, I think, is Arlington Colt, prior to reveal, but like others, I am reluctant right now to just lynch someone who claims to be an Olympian, at least not without some further evidence.

That said, everyone here is giving too much weight to reveals. I mean, Alan as much as said the wolves have ways to work around mass reveals. Someone suggested that they might know what roles are in the game, and having used that myself in a game as a GM, I have to think that is a strong possibility. If so, no reveal (by character name, that is) is in and of itself a voucher for safety. For all we know, Hephaestus is not in the game, AC is a Titan and is hiding his identity, and since he theoretically would know who is in the game, his "reveal" goes unchallenged.

So not saying he isn't who he says he is, but we should probably not look the other way so fast just because of a reveal.

As to the rest of the options, Lathum is a tough sell for me, because if he is a Titan, why would he and path let path get lynched yesterday? I already showed how close that vote likely was, and noted that Lathum was around at the deadline (proven by his posting).

ntndeacon fits the bill best if we let AC slide for now, although my vibe says he's good. Votes on Render just confuse me, as I think he comes off pretty good from yesterday. I would look askance at anyone voting for Render or Barkeep or Neon right now--it doesn't make sense without a ton more evidence that they would be Titans. So cronin is on the list (but he sorta always he is, isn't he?).


Why would Render look good from yesterday? Did he vote for path?

I do agree with this analysis, particularly concerning Lathum. I don't understand the votes against him.

[RendeR]

...So cronin is on the list (but he sorta always he is, isn't he?).




AMEN Brother! :D:D:D:D


That being said I actually feel pretty good about Cronin this game, even though he did throw a vote at me =)

[Poli]

Can you expound upon this a bit? what makes you think so?

Everyone in the game is here, right? Who's hoops delivering a message to that would take him away from the game? No, while I don't discount the possibility he is Hermes, I don't think he is delivering a message. I think he is incognito for game purposes, probably as a result of an action taken against him last night. We will probably see him back tonight. Much like Neon, though, he likely isn't able to participate until the deadline.


I seem to remember a game that took us to...some sort of "area" out of the game. When I read he disappeared or whatever, that was my initial thought, anyhow.

[st.cronin]

That being said I actually feel pretty good about Cronin this game

Why?

[RendeR]

Why would Render look good from yesterday? Did he vote for path?

I do agree with this analysis, particularly concerning Lathum. I don't understand the votes against him.


Dude, where have you been? From this post its almost like you haven't read the thread at all? This concerns me as you're normaly VERY on top of the game. Not saying that I've done anything specific to gain trust, but I definitely was involved in getting things rolling in a better direction last night.

BK had some points that would throw a bad light on Lathum. Personally I disagree and think Lathum was just arguing an opposite side to BK because they tend to butt heads that way.

[Chief Rum]

Why would Render look good from yesterday? Did he vote for path?

Yes, Render was one of the four (along with BK, DTorgo and Neon) that essentially got path hung in the final hour yesterday. I doubt a Titan would participate in a mad rush to hang their own king.

[Raiders Army]

At this point, I'm not going to change my vote. Primetime TV comes on in 13 minutes and I've got to prepare by taking a leak (TMI, I know), getting something to eat and grabbing another beer. Good luck to us all.

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin render
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Render: cronin
Racer: ntndeacon

I think this is accurate.
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[RendeR]

Why?


Normaly with you my senses almost always scream wolf. but not tihs game. Why? no clue. but I put a lot of stock in my own gut feelings and thus far nothing you've done or said has pushed me to distrust you at all.

I don't TRUST you yet either, of course =)

[st.cronin]

Dude, where have you been? From this post its almost like you haven't read the thread at all? This concerns me as you're normaly VERY on top of the game. Not saying that I've done anything specific to gain trust, but I definitely was involved in getting things rolling in a better direction last night.

BK had some points that would throw a bad light on Lathum. Personally I disagree and think Lathum was just arguing an opposite side to BK because they tend to butt heads that way.

I know you were leading us away from BK. I'm not as convinced that just voting for path clears anybody. With the way the votes work, I think its possible that the wolves might take a chance that they could push the vote behind the scenes.

[st.cronin]

I guess I'll get on the ntn train.

UNVOTE RENDER

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Poli]

1) Render
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin ntndeacon
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR, cronin
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Racer: ntndeacon

Has render not voted yet?

[Chief Rum]

I don't believe so. And where is Telle? Has she been aorund at all today? I guess we can ask Render that, too, while we're wondering about his vote.

[Barkeep49]

I know you were leading us away from BK. I'm not as convinced that just voting for path clears anybody. With the way the votes work, I think its possible that the wolves might take a chance that they could push the vote behind the scenes.
I think it's entirely possible the wolves felt I was lynched. Through path and/or some other Titan they had put multiple points on me. Plus I was the the leading vote getter. Even with my putting 4 votes on path it wouldn't be enough to overcome the sheer number of people voting for me. Little did they know that DT would, for reasons which while explained don't quite add up, also way pump up his voting. So I think it's entirely possible that the Titans simply wanted to use their AP for other things than saving path, not realizing what danger he was in. They were, to choose an answer from my list, complacent and it bit them on the ass.

So, I can't disagree with cronin here, since voting for path should have been "safe". That said, I tend to trust Render a step above. He wouldn't be in a CoT for me, but he'd standing real close to it.

I maintain that Lathum could have put the vote on my early, and didn't have to switch later on as I drew more suspicion, despite there being a shift towards path.

[Barkeep49]

DT, when you get back, can you walk me through why you increased the increased points on path? I just don't understand your reasoning.

[RendeR]

Not yet.

I'm torn, i really don't like any of the high vote getters for choices right now.

AC gets at least a 1 day pass from me for the reveal.
Lathum I just don't believe is a titan.
NTN is a choice, but I really haven't seen anything that compelling to warrent so many votes either.
Racer I've been suspicious of from the get go so I'm gonna go that way, perhaps we can pull a couple over to him and save people I feel strongly are villagers.

VOTE RACER

[Barkeep49]

BK had some points that would throw a bad light on Lathum. Personally I disagree and think Lathum was just arguing an opposite side to BK because they tend to butt heads that way.

I have to say I'm happy that you see that experienced players will go after each other if the situation warrants.

[Barkeep49]

I have to admit I'd like to hear more from telle. She placed the should have been nail in my coffin yesterday. I'm curious to see what happens with her closer to deadline today.

[Poli]

1) Render Racer
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin ntndeacon
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum Arlington Colt
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Lathum, Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR, cronin
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Racer: ntndeacon, render

This is going to be interesting. I'm here for the next hour until "Life" comes on. There's apparently no must see tv for this hour of the night in my home.

[Poli]

Yeah, I've been around all day (lucky me), but I haven't seen Telle...at all.

And I know I just saw hoopsguy again.

[Telle]

I've been ill and haven't been on all today. Can someone give me a quick recap??

[Barkeep49]

See post 658 for a very helpful vote summary.

[Barkeep49]

AE is the only person we know powering up their vote today, correct? If true Lathum has a fairly substantial lead.

[Poli]

I'm not sure I can do that, but CR commented that ntn and arlington might be questionable.

AC gave a role reveal.

Umm, Votes are about 3 posts above this one.

[Telle]

See post 658 for a very helpful vote summary.

Thanks. Any particular compelling arguments regarding the vote leaders? I really don't have the wherewithal to dig through pages of posts right now.. I pretty much just want to get a vote in and then go curl up on the couch again.

[Poli]

AE is the only person we know powering up their vote today, correct? If true Lathum has a fairly substantial lead.
No, we have to give 1 AP, don't we? That's all I'm doing.

[RendeR]

I have to say I'm happy that you see that experienced players will go after each other if the situation warrants.

umm, I think my normal position is that you all do that to much :)

[Barkeep49]

No, we have to give 1 AP, don't we? That's all I'm doing.
My bad. So is there anyone known to be powering up their vote?

[Poli]

Not that I recall. I think I'd remember something like that.

[Barkeep49]

umm, I think my normal position is that you all do that to much :)
Wait? You think experienced players go after experienced players? I thought it was that we went after people who weren't in "the elite". Frankly I think the whole thing is bunk to begin with, but one could argue I'm biased...

[Barkeep49]

Thanks. Any particular compelling arguments regarding the vote leaders? I really don't have the wherewithal to dig through pages of posts right now.. I pretty much just want to get a vote in and then go curl up on the couch again.
Lath = Very wrong day 1

Not sure what the charge is against ntn which is why I haven't voted for him :)

[Telle]

Lath = Very wrong day 1

Not sure what the charge is against ntn which is why I haven't voted for him :)

Well ntn is historically very quiet, which is usually why people vote for him. But I recall him being pretty active yesterday.. which is kind of out of character for him.

[Lathum]

OK, I just got caught up

UNVOTE ARLINGTONCOLT
VOTE NTNDEACON

I am still considering revealing because I am worried about people using multiple action points ( Barkeep)

[st.cronin]

OK, I just got caught up


I am still considering revealing because I am worried about people using multiple action points ( Barkeep)

I hope its not going to be like AC's "reveal." If so, I'll reveal too: I'M A VILLAGER.

[Racer]

After looking through the people voting for someone other than Barkeep or path I have a couple of observations...

First, I do not know whether it is just not knowing a lot about the game or nerves or that he is a Titan or a bad guy at least. Racer seems to be throwing out there some highly questionable things out there. For example what seems to me to be the main reason he is voting for me is that I voted along with path. There may be one other bad guy in the group who voted for BK but I kinda doubt it at the moment, and certainly not ALL of those that voted with path could be guilty. Note also that mine was the very first vote on Barkeep when it was a two man race. I will also note that Racer has been under the radar quite a bit.

I was a little surprised to seeing posts from cronin so little on the first day, but at the moment am just attributing that to him being busy as it seems he has started to post more today.

I am not sure what to make of RA and AE right now. If I had to choose early in the day if one was bad, I would have chosen AE,,, now not as sure. Of course the helpful wolf has been played before.


So after due thought and careful deliberation I will

Vote Racer

I agree that there is no way everyone in that group is a Titan. However, I think Chief Rum's analysis from earlier is about the best thing we have to go on at the moment. Combined with my opinion that you were a bit under the radar earlier I went with you.

[Barkeep49]

OK, I just got caught up

UNVOTE ARLINGTONCOLT
VOTE NTNDEACON

I am still considering revealing because I am worried about people using multiple action points ( Barkeep)
If it makes you feel better you should now that I plan to use my action today to the fullest extent possible.

[Lathum]

sigh...

gonna reveal in 3 minutes unless someone changes.

Which is what I think Barkeep want me to do BTW...

[Barkeep49]

Well ntn is historically very quiet, which is usually why people vote for him. But I recall him being pretty active yesterday.. which is kind of out of character for him.
I agree ntn was uncharacteristically active yesterday which was nice to see.

[Barkeep49]

sigh...

gonna reveal in 3 minutes unless someone changes.

Which is what I think Barkeep want me to do BTW...
The thing is I kind of don't believe any role reveals at this point so no I don't really want you to reveal. I don't feel so great about my vote today, just that you're the best candidate out there.

[Poli]

1) Render Racer
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin ntndeacon
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum ntndeacon
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast Lathum
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR, cronin, lathum
Lathum: Arlington Colt, AE, BK, RA
Racer: ntndeacon, render

[st.cronin]

sigh...

gonna reveal in 3 minutes unless someone changes.

Which is what I think Barkeep want me to do BTW...

Don't do it.

[Telle]

On the off chance that Lathum does actually have something worth revealing, I'll put my vote elsewhere..

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

You all have a lovely night, and hopefully I'll be feeling better and more engaged tomorrow.

[Lathum]

Don't do it.

why not?

[Lathum]

On the off chance that Lathum does actually have something worth revealing, I'll put my vote elsewhere..

VOTE ARLINGTONCOLT

You all have a lovely night, and hopefully I'll be feeling better and more engaged tomorrow.

huh?


NTNDeacon is where you should go then

[Barkeep49]

Yeah I don't think Telle realized that AC revealed.

[Lathum]

giving it 2 more minutes

[Chief Rum]

I am stepping out until after the deadline. Have to get my workout in and get some dinner. Good luck, Olympians!

[Lathum]

ok

I am Heracles, strongest of the humans.

I'm the bodyguard. I was hoping not to have to reveal.

[st.cronin]

Yeah I don't think Telle realized that AC revealed.

Come on, he did no such thing. He claimed to be a villager.

[Barkeep49]

I just find it disturbing how many people are revealing so easily. Alan has said mass reveal would be disastrous. Yet we get reveal after reveal. Leads me to believe more and more that the Titans can easily fake reveal and that only reveals accompanied by actions should be believed.

[Lathum]

Dola- I think it's best I keep to myself who visited me last night. If that person wants to come forward I will confirm their statement.

[Poli]

Shoot.

UNVOTE LATHUM.

[Lathum]

I just find it disturbing how many people are revealing so easily. Alan has said mass reveal would be disastrous. Yet we get reveal after reveal. Leads me to believe more and more that the Titans can easily fake reveal and that only reveals accompanied by actions should be believed.

Well when someone ( YOU ) forces my hand what should I do?

Basicly I need to reveal and hope for the best.

[RendeR]

I really don't think lathum is a god vote.

BK: If yer not certain about it I'd suggest moving off him for now. Join me on Racer and lets see what happens.

[Poli]

VOTE NTNDEACON

[Barkeep49]

Lathum not claiming to be an olympian is reassuring.

[Poli]

1) Render Racer
2) Barkeep Lathum
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin ntndeacon
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum ntndeacon
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle ArlingtonColt
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast ntndeacon
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR, cronin, lathum, AE
Lathum: Arlington Colt, BK, RA
Racer: ntndeacon, render

[Barkeep49]

Can I get a vote count?

[st.cronin]

I just find it disturbing how many people are revealing so easily. Alan has said mass reveal would be disastrous. Yet we get reveal after reveal. Leads me to believe more and more that the Titans can easily fake reveal and that only reveals accompanied by actions should be believed.

+1

[Barkeep49]

Wow AE anticipating my every need.

[Lathum]

Lathum not claiming to be an olympian is reassuring.

lol.

Yeah, losing the bodyguard is much more reassuring. :rolleyes:

[RendeR]

Well when someone ( YOU ) forces my hand what should I do?

Basicly I need to reveal and hope for the best.

You're way to quick with this, it wasn't necessary. Dumb play.

[Lathum]

once I am dead I want everyone to take a real close look at barkeeps play.

[Lathum]

You're way to quick with this, it wasn't necessary. Dumb play.

are you kidding?

I was leading the vote?

How long do you want me to wait? , educate me.

[Poli]

I just find it disturbing how many people are revealing so easily. Alan has said mass reveal would be disastrous. Yet we get reveal after reveal. Leads me to believe more and more that the Titans can easily fake reveal and that only reveals accompanied by actions should be believed.
+2

Hmm.

[Barkeep49]

once I am dead I want everyone to take a real close look at barkeeps play.
Bring it.

[Barkeep49]

Granted I'm not the bodyguard, but I was prepared to go to my death with my role. At some point others need to be willing to do the same or at least back up their reveals with actions.

[Lathum]

Bring it.

I noticed your vote is still on me?

[Barkeep49]

I noticed your vote is still on me?
Yeah it'll move. I just can't decide who to vote for, ntn or Racer. I'm doing some post reveiwing. But if it makes you feel better

Unvote Lathum

[st.cronin]

Lathum, who did you guard last night?

[st.cronin]

Actually never mind don't answer WHO.

[Lathum]

Granted I'm not the bodyguard, but I was prepared to go to my death with my role. At some point others need to be willing to do the same or at least back up their reveals with actions.

so are you suggesting I should have just thrown myself on the sword?

Last I checked trhe bodyguard was a pretty powerful role, and if there is someone with a 1 time night protection I can stick around for a while.

[Barkeep49]

I noticed your vote is still on me?
I have to admit I admire your boldness. You were hugely wrong about everything yesterday but still stubbornly cling to the same beliefs.

For AE (and others who watch Kid Nation) I think he's the Taylor of our game :).

[Barkeep49]

Actually never mind don't answer WHO.
Yeah. We definitely don't want that info out there.

[RendeR]

once I am dead I want everyone to take a real close look at barkeeps play.

Bring it.


this constant bickering between you two is getting tiring. I'll lay 10-1 odds that neither of you is a titan.

[Barkeep49]

so are you suggesting I should have just thrown myself on the sword?

Last I checked trhe bodyguard was a pretty powerful role, and if there is someone with a 1 time night protection I can stick around for a while.
You're the first reveal that doesn't bother me since you have a genuinely fundamental role. You also are not claiming to be an Olympian which I find somehow reassuring. I also wouldn't mind one of the Big 3 revealing since the Titans have to be focused on finding them and we need to do whatever it takes to keep them alive for as many days as possible.

[Barkeep49]

this constant bickering between you two is getting tiring. I'll lay 10-1 odds that neither of you is a titan.
Render: We're not bickering. There's no real ill will between either Lathum or I over any of this.

[Barkeep49]

Render: We're not bickering. There's no real ill will between either Lathum or I over any of this.
Or at least I asusme there's none with Lathum as I know I don't have any ill will.

[Lathum]

this constant bickering between you two is getting tiring. I'll lay 10-1 odds that neither of you is a titan.

Render, you need to realize when I play werewolf I will jump on anything I notice that is off and go after it like a doberman.

Sometimes I am wrong and sometimes I am right. Like when I nailed you last game. :p

I think I do it in a respectfull and in game manner

[Poli]

For AE (and others who watch Kid Nation) I think he's the Taylor of our game :).
Deal with it!

Actually, my goal originally was not to post anything but votes, but I realized early on I just can't do that. It's not me. However, I'm devoted to trying to be a mellow yellow AE.

Otherwise, deal with it. :)

Actually, when you said bring it a second ago I thought of Taylor.

[Lathum]

Or at least I asusme there's none with Lathum as I know I don't have any ill will.

never.

[Barkeep49]

Render, you need to realize when I play werewolf I will jump on anything I notice that is off and go after it like a doberman.

Sometimes I am wrong and sometimes I am right. Like when I nailed you last game. :p

I think I do it in a respectfull and in game manner
I feel the same way. My intense side shows play WW.

[Barkeep49]

Deal with it!

Actually, my goal originally was not to post anything but votes, but I realized early on I just can't do that. It's not me. However, I'm devoted to trying to be a mellow yellow AE.

Otherwise, deal with it. :)

Actually, when you said bring it a second ago I thought of Taylor.
Ouch AE. Fair, but ouch. Is this week's episode as good as last weeks, which was the first one that made me glad I've been watching the show?

[Poli]

I know people have said worse. I don't know which people. No one in particular coMEs to mind.

[Barkeep49]

Ok it seems more symbolic than anything as there seems to be very little movement at this point, but:

Vote Racer

[Poli]

Ouch AE. Fair, but ouch. Is this week's episode as good as last weeks, which was the first one that made me glad I've been watching the show?
Um, it was alright. You're guaranteed to hear "deal with it".

[Poli]

1) Render Racer
2) Barkeep Racer
3) Chief Rum ntndeacon
4) PurdueBrad Arlington Colt
5) St.Cronin ntndeacon
6) Neon_Chaos Can't vote?
7) Lathum ntndeacon
8) ntndeacon Racer
9) ArlingtonColt Lathum
10) Passacaglia - Killed Day 1 Athena / Olympian
11) Telle ArlingtonColt
12) Hoopsguy Can't Vote?
13) Path12 - Lynched Day 1 Cronus / Titan
14) Anxiety ntndeacon
15) Ardent_Enthusiast ntndeacon
16) Racer ntndeacon
17) DaddyTorgo ntndeacon
18) Raiders Army Lathum
19) Schmidty Arlington Colt

(no particular order)
Arlington Colt: Purdue Brad, Schmidty
Ntndeacon: Racer, Anxiety, Daddy Torgo, CR, cronin, lathum, AE
Lathum: Arlington Colt, , RA
Racer: ntndeacon, render, BK

[Lathum]

ok, I think it is weird that someone believes my reveal enough to unvote me then doesn't vote for the leading candidate.

[RendeR]

Ok it seems more symbolic than anything as there seems to be very little movement at this point, but:

Vote Racer


Thank you for the support. I just feel right on this one. Wish I could convince a couple more to join me in taking down the Enemy.

[ntndeacon]

maybe he doesn;t see me as the leading candidate Lathum

[Barkeep49]

ok, I think it is weird that someone believes my reveal enough to unvote me then doesn't vote for the leading candidate.
Really? Why is that. I don't think ntn is a bad guy and he has the overwhelming lead. Unless both AC and RA both powered up their votes you're safe Lathum.

[RendeR]

ok, I think it is weird that someone believes my reveal enough to unvote me then doesn't vote for the leading candidate.

It makes some sense if, like me he just doesn't see a good reason to vote for ntn.

[Barkeep49]

Thank you for the support. I just feel right on this one. Wish I could convince a couple more to join me in taking down the Enemy.
I don't feel right about it, but I do think it's less wrong. And it reassures me to vote with someone who I consider made of villager like substances :).

[ntndeacon]

Would look at Chief's reasoning if I were y'all

Would also look strong into Racer.

[Barkeep49]

In fact Lathum if you're powering your vote at all on NTN get rid of it. Please save your strength for yourself.

[Alan T]

The sun sets in the distant sky over Mount Olympus and you have reached today's deadline.

[Lathum]

In fact Lathum if you're powering your vote at all on NTN get rid of it. Please save your strength for yourself.

really it doesn't matter I don't think

[Neon_Chaos]

Well. What fan-f'n-tastic day.

[Alan T]

The sun sets in the distant sky over Mount Olympus and you have reached today's deadline.

Well that was a hair early, but either way its deadline now :)

[ntndeacon]

I am Dionysys.

Now you gotta play the rest of the game sober!

[Poli]

Sucky way to end the night. WAIT, Neon's back!

[Alan T]

This is what i show for today's votes:

ArlingtonColt - Purdue Brad (565), Schmidty (585), telle (681)
Lathum - Arlington Colt (556), Raiders Army (627)
Ntndeacon - Anxiety (564), racer (583), daddytorgo (592), chief rum (638), st.cronin (650), lathum (672), ardent enthusiast (694)
racer - ntndeacon (614), render (655), barkeep (724)

Someone please tell me if you spot any mistakes.

[ntndeacon]

and no I cant spell my own name lol

[Lathum]

And for the record, this is bickering and ill will.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1176811&postcount=1497

[Barkeep49]

I am Dionysys.

Now you gotta play the rest of the game sober!
That's great, if a tad premature cause we can assume, but don't know that people didn't power up their votes. Don't forget that yesterday I looked dead at this time.

[RendeR]

I am Dionysys.

Now you gotta play the rest of the game sober!


What possible good reason do we have to believe this? And why on earth would you even try to reveal after everything everyone else has said about the reveals we've had?

[ntndeacon]

several people thought my play looked villgary and still voted for me as well. .... Just throwing out avenues to look at before I croak

[Poli]

And for the record, this is bickering and ill will.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1176811&postcount=1497


Wow, can't believe I wasn't the subject of that one. ;)

[Neon_Chaos]

And for the record, this is bickering and ill will.

http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=1176811&postcount=1497


Classic. :D

[RendeR]

What possible good reason do we have to believe this? And why on earth would you even try to reveal after everything everyone else has said about the reveals we've had?



Erg, ignore this, for some reason I thought Neon Chaos posted this.


My bad.

[Poli]

This is what i show for today's votes:

ArlingtonColt - Purdue Brad (565), Schmidty (585), telle (681)
Lathum - Arlington Colt (556), Raiders Army (627)
Ntndeacon - Anxiety (564), racer (583), daddytorgo (592), chief rum (638), st.cronin (650), lathum (672), ardent enthusiast (694)
racer - ntndeacon (614), render (655), barkeep (724)

Someone please tell me if you spot any mistakes.

Looks about right to me. I forgot to add telle to AC. Doh.