Xbox 360 vs Playstation 3 [Archive] - Front Office Football Central

MrBug708

10-28-2007, 01:26 PM

I'm debating on which system to get. I'm never been much of a console game player so I havent been following how each system is and what the pro's and con's are. I don't have a high definition tv and I dont plan on going out and buying a ton of games. I'm about a 2 games a year type of console game purchaser. Obviously the xbox 360 has been out for a while and I'm not sure when the next generation of xbox is coming so I dont want to buy one and then see it get passed by within a couple of years.

Any help would be appreciated. I tried doing a search and didn't find any straight comparisons between the two

rowech

10-28-2007, 01:33 PM

I bought a 360 about 6 months ago and couldn't be happier. Every time news comes out about the PS3 versus the 360, things tend to go in the 360's favor. Especially, since you don't have have an HDTV, I'd say definitely 360.

Doug5984

10-28-2007, 01:35 PM

I have both and play the xbox daily, haven't used the ps3 in more than a month for anything but a glorified dvd player. With Halo & NCAA both on the 360 it's no question. That's assuming you'd like Halo 3.

spleen1015

10-28-2007, 01:35 PM

The 360 has a much bigger library of good games and is cheaper. Xbox Live is said to be much better than what the PS3 has to offer, but I haven't experienced that first hand.

You're going to find that the vast majority of the folks on this board will recommend the 360.

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 01:39 PM

If you don't have a HDTV and therefore don't care about a Blu-Ray player, I think the 360 is an easy choice unless you are a big fan of either the Final Fantasy series or the Metal Gear Solid series.

The pros of the 360:

- Much larger library of good games right now - including some great exclusives such as Bioshock (on PC as well), Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect (coming out in November) among others.
- Cheaper
- More people have one, particularly more people on here. If you like playing games against other people, this is a plus.
- Better online service, although it costs 50 dollars a year.
- So far all of the sports game have played better on the 360 than the PS3.

Cons:

- Doesn't include a HD-DVR or any other high def media player.
- Has had reliability issues in the past, but by all accounts the newer versions are on the shelves now and they are reportedly more reliable. I'd still recommend a 2 year warranty plan with it.
- Likely won't have Final Fantasy or Metal Gear Solid released for it.

PS3:

Pros:

- Final Fantasy is a great series. It likely will remain a PS3 exclusive and will likely be out in 08. Metal Gear Solid should be out in 08. God of War 3 will eventually be out and should be an exclusive to the PS3.
- Contains a Blu-Ray player which is a nice addition if you had a HDTV and wanted to buy Blu Ray discs.
- May have more raw power, but developers have said it is hard to program for so it is questionable if that will ever get taken advantage of. Also, it has the same RAM as the 360 so that may never truly be an advantage.
- Free Online gaming, but it isn't as well developed as the 360's system.

Cons:
- More expensive.
- Small library of good games right now, even fewer great exclusives out right now.
- The brand new cheaper models that are coming out have no backwards compatibility.
- Some developers may shift resources away from it if it continues to flounder in 3rd in sales. Multiple developers have publicly called for more price cuts.

Neuqua

10-28-2007, 01:46 PM

Ping: Mizzou

MrBug708

10-28-2007, 01:52 PM

I'm thinking mainly for a game like Assassin's Creed and the usual yrun of sports games.

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 01:55 PM

I'm thinking mainly for a game like Assassin's Creed and the usual yrun of sports games.

Assassin's Creed will be out on both the 360 and the PS3. In the past year, most sports games have run better on the 360. Madden and NCAA have both run better on the 360. If you aren't a big fan of final fantasy or any of the other PS3 exclusives, the 360 is an easy choice in your situation.

Rich1033

10-28-2007, 02:31 PM

CraigSca

10-28-2007, 02:41 PM

Regarding the power of the PS3 vs. the 360 - here's a blog by a developer on both the Guitar Hero and Rockband teams: hxxp://jbooth.blogspot.com/ (http://jbooth.blogspot.com/)

Pretty scathing.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 04:04 PM

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 04:17 PM

I agree that the 360 is the better choice of the two for two reasons. Its cheaper and it has more games.

I honestly think a ps2 may be your best option if you arent much of a gamer and dont plan on picking up have a HDTV anytime soon. A friend has his 360 on a standard TV and it just doesnt look like that much of an improvement over the last gen systems IMO. I have no idea if you have a ps2 or xbox, its just something to consider.

Agreed, there's no reason to get a PS3 or 360 if you don't have a HDTV. The upgrades in AI and gamplay aren't exponential on either system thus far. Most of the benefit of the PS3 or 360 is in the eye candy (graphics) and you aren't going to get any of that on a standard TV.

I disagree. The gameplay itself is different in many of the next gen games. NBA 2k8 has significantly different gameplay on the 360/PS3 than it does on the PS2. Ditto for Madden, NCAA, College Hoops 2k7, etc. I played my 360 for 7-8 months on a standard definition TV and there is no doubt that the game play was different and the graphics were still improved over PS2/Xbox. Sure, with a standard def TV, the graphics aren't going to be as dazzling but they are still a big jump up from the PS2/Xbox and more importantly at least some of the games have gameplay that is a big jump up as well. Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Mass Effect are still going to be great games whether they are played on a SDTV as opposed to a HDTV.

Kodos

10-28-2007, 04:34 PM

Go with the 360. Or a PS2 if cutting-edge graphics aren't a priority. You don't have an HDTV now, but during the life of the console, you might get one.

Edit: And I agree with EF27. Even having a SDTV like I do, there are lots of good reasons to own a 360.

14ers

10-28-2007, 04:36 PM

So, on a standard TV would the Wii be the best choice for a new system?

Kodos

10-28-2007, 04:37 PM

Depends on if you want a party system, or if you are looking for mostly solo or online play.

Big Fo

10-28-2007, 04:38 PM

So, on a standard TV would the Wii be the best choice for a new system?

It really depends on what types of games you enjoy most.

Calis

10-28-2007, 04:39 PM

Do you have an LCD monitor? I had a 360 without an HDTV for a little over a year, but I picked up a VGA adapter for it and ran it through my monitor and it looks fantastic, so that's an option if you don't have the TV, and I would assume the PS3 has the same capability.

EagleFan

10-28-2007, 04:41 PM

I have picked up a 360 elite the other week and have been hooked on NCAA 2008 and Bioshock ever since so I would definitely give the 360 a nod.

I also "cheated" and picked up a Wii for the famliy and actually find that quite addictive too, though I love the 360 for my games though.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 04:43 PM

I disagree. The gameplay itself is different in many of the next gen games. NBA 2k8 has significantly different gameplay on the 360/PS3 than it does on the PS2. Ditto for Madden, NCAA, College Hoops 2k7, etc. I played my 360 for 7-8 months on a standard definition TV and there is no doubt that the game play was different and the graphics were still improved over PS2/Xbox. Sure, with a standard def TV, the graphics aren't going to be as dazzling but they are still a big jump up from the PS2/Xbox and more importantly at least some of the games have gameplay that is a big jump up as well. Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Mass Effect are still going to be great games whether they are played on a SDTV as opposed to a HDTV.

Couldn't disagree more with regards to the sports games especially. Bill Abner wrote an article recently that is stirring up a lot of 'I agree' responses both on message boards and in the gaming media. He points out just how bad and uninspired the latest sports games are at this point.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_118/2316-The-Stagnant-State

As far as other games, they're playable, but you're paying for features in next-gen games that you simply don't get to enjoy on a standard TV. There's no need to spend $60 on a game that you can't fully enjoy all of the features you're paying for.

Terps

10-28-2007, 04:43 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 04:45 PM

I've had both, got rid of my 360 for a PS3 mainly because of MLB The Show and that anything else I play I could play on either system for the most part (not big into Halo or most of the other MS exclusives.) I'm not diappointed in my decision.

Definitely would agree with that. MLB '07: The Show is the best of the baseball games available for next-gen systems.

astrosfan64

10-28-2007, 04:47 PM

Couldn't disagree more with regards to the sports games especially. Bill Abner wrote an article recently that is stirring up a lot of 'I agree' responses both on message boards and in the gaming media. He points out just how bad and uninspired the latest sports games are at this point.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_118/2316-The-Stagnant-State

As far as other games, they're playable, but you're paying for features in next-gen games that you simply don't get to enjoy on a standard TV. There's no need to spend $60 on a game that you can't fully enjoy all of the features you're paying for.

Are you Bill's alt?

I really like FIFA 2k8, NHL 08 and NCAA 08. They play totally different on 360 then they do on PS2 or XBOX. It is a completely different engine.

Do you just talk about games, or actually play them?

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 04:48 PM

Are you Bill's alt?

I really like FIFA 2k8, NHL 08 and NCAA 08. They play totally different on 360 then they do on PS2 or XBOX. It is a completely different engine.

Do you just talk about games, or actually play them?

Ditto for NBA 2k8 which is one of the best sports games I've ever played even with its flaws (it has several) and College Hoops 2k7. Who cares what Bill Abner thinks.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 04:50 PM

Are you Bill's alt?

Do you just talk about games, or actually play them?

Bill Abner is consider by most to be the premier sports and gaming writer in the industry. I certainly think his article is very relevant to the discussion given the original poster's mention that he likes sports video games and that it would play a part in his decision.

I play games on all consoles, including the 360 though I don't own the 360 console I use in my home.

MizzouRah

10-28-2007, 04:53 PM

I wouldn't get a nex-gen system without either an HDTV or an LCD display to see the games in HD. That's me though.. I'd for a ps2.

BUT.. for the specific question asked, 360 easily over the ps3 - just look at the gaming libraries and what's to come. Shoot, you can get a nice 20" LCD for about $250 nowdays. (I had a BenQ 20" widesreen when I bought my 360, I've since upgraded to a Dell 24" LCD - games look spectacular on both) (I'm also not sure you can just hook up a ps3 to an LCD monitor since they do not support a VGA cable).

Ironhead

10-28-2007, 05:08 PM

I purchased a 360 a couple months ago and have been very happy with it. And no I don't play it on a HDTV.

For me at least it's about playing NEW games. I have already played most of the good games of the last console generation and given that those consoles aren't being developed for anymore it's either buy a new system or have no games to play. Pretty simple choice.

14ers

10-28-2007, 05:15 PM

For me at least it's about playing NEW games. I have already played most of the good games of the last console generation and given that those consoles aren't being developed for anymore it's either buy a new system or have no games to play. Pretty simple choice.
Where did you hear or read that they are going to completely stop making games for the PS2?

Ironhead

10-28-2007, 05:18 PM

Wow, I just checked IGN and there are still tons of games coming out for PS2. There definitely isn't anything coming out on the original Xbox though.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 05:20 PM

Where did you hear or read that they are going to completely stop making games for the PS2?

They aren't totally, but the number of releases for the PS2 is significanly decreased from previous years. Also, the enhancements on sports games on the PS2 are basically nil from previous versions.

14ers

10-28-2007, 05:27 PM

Wow, I just checked IGN and there are still tons of games coming out for PS2. There definitely isn't anything coming out on the original Xbox though.
And, I bet some of those games will only play on the PS2, and not the PS3.

I gave my PS2 away when I upgraded to the PS3, and I love that my PS3 is backwards capable, so I can still play old "Discount Bin" Ps2 games. I have no idea why Sony is making the next generation of PS3s not backwards compatable.

I'll take a 60gb PS3 that can play PS2 games over and 80gb PS3 that can only play PS3 games anyday.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 05:28 PM

I wouldn't get a nex-gen system without either an HDTV or an LCD display to see the games in HD. That's me though.. I'd for a ps2.

BUT.. for the specific question asked, 360 easily over the ps3 - just look at the gaming libraries and what's to come.

Existing gaming libraries, give 360 the nod. But the level of quality exclusives is larger for the PS3 in 2008. God of War 3, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Gran Turismo 5 are all AAA titles and system sellers along with new versions of Motorstorm and Resistance.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 05:29 PM

I'll take a 60gb PS3 that can play PS2 games over and 80gb PS3 that can only play PS3 games anyday.

FYI.....the 80 GB PS3 can play roughly 70% of the PS2 games. Granted, it's not as good as the 60 GB machine, but it does still have a good amount of backward compatibility. The 40 GB machine is the one that has no PS2 backwards compatibility.

Groundhog

10-28-2007, 05:52 PM

I bought a PS3 yesterday and already have a 360 (which I'll probably sell now). No question that the 360 has better games right now, and perhaps always will with the head start it had, but I've come to the realisation that the only games that hold my attention any more are sport titles, and being in Australia means that no college games get released over here, meaning that the PS3's lack of region coding was finally enough to get me to bite the bullet and shell out the dosh.

TRO

10-28-2007, 05:57 PM

Definitely would agree with that. MLB '07: The Show is the best of the baseball games available for next-gen systems.

No, MLB Power Pros is better and is available for Wii (and PS2 for that matter).

astrosfan64

10-28-2007, 06:04 PM

Bill Abner is consider by most to be the premier sports and gaming writer in the industry. I certainly think his article is very relevant to the discussion given the original poster's mention that he likes sports video games and that it would play a part in his decision.

I play games on all consoles, including the 360 though I don't own the 360 console I use in my home.

I like some of the things he writes, but I wouldn't say he is the premier sports and gaming writer. He is a guy just like us that plays games.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 06:07 PM

No, MLB Power Pros is better and is available for Wii (and PS2 for that matter).

MLB Power Pros displays in 480i and is a PS2 port to the Wii. It's not a next-gen game, but I do agree with you that it is a great baseball game.

Fidatelo

10-28-2007, 06:07 PM

To strictly answer the question of 360 vs. PS3, the answer is: 360.

If you want to drag other systems in because of the non-HDTV issue, it gets cloudier (I agree that 360/PS3 don't really shine on a normal TV, but what type of games you want to play is still a huge factor).

I'd say you can't really go wrong with a 360.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 06:07 PM

I like some of the things he writes, but I wouldn't say he is the premier sports and gaming writer. He is a guy just like us that plays games.

Who do you think is a better gaming writer right now? Just curious.

TRO

10-28-2007, 06:13 PM

MLB Power Pros displays in 480i and is a PS2 port to the Wii. It's not a next-gen game, but I do agree with you that it is a great baseball game.

You didn't say "best next-gen baseball game" you said "best baseball game available for next-gen systems". :p

MJ4H

10-28-2007, 06:14 PM

MLB Power Pros displays in 480i and is a PS2 port to the Wii. It's not a next-gen game, but I do agree with you that it is a great baseball game.

haha

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 06:54 PM

You didn't say "best next-gen baseball game" you said "best baseball game available for next-gen systems". :p

:)

I play the PS2 version on my PS3, but I wouldn't use the words 'next gen' with it.

astrosfan64

10-28-2007, 07:04 PM

Who do you think is a better gaming writer right now? Just curious.

Heck I would say EaglesFan27 or the other host of guys we have on this board. I like some of the things they say and some I don't agree with. I generally fall more online with the guys here then most other places.

The guy Clay at OS is usually pretty close to what I like also.

MJ4H

10-28-2007, 07:09 PM

dont you guys get it next-gen means hyper-realistic grafix only

sabotai

10-28-2007, 07:10 PM

I play my 360 on my monitor now through VGA cables, but before that I played in a standard TV. The only real drawback was that it's hard to read the text in some games on a standard TV, but other than that, it's not a big deal. Obviously it looks a lot better on a monitor or HDTV, but if you are not one of those types that needs to play every PC game with all of the settings turned to max, you can live with 360/PS3 on a standard TV. There is still a giant leap in difference between the 360/PS3 and the XBox/PS2 in terms of graphics when on a standard TV.

MrBug708

10-28-2007, 07:50 PM

MizzouRah

10-28-2007, 07:50 PM

Existing gaming libraries, give 360 the nod. But the level of quality exclusives is larger for the PS3 in 2008. God of War 3, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII Versus, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Gran Turismo 5 are all AAA titles and system sellers along with new versions of Motorstorm and Resistance.

Again, it's all about what YOU as the person purchasing the console like, gaming wise.

I have NO desire to play FF or GT 5.

I would like to play MLB The Show, MGS 4 - that's about it for ps3 games.

On the 360, I'll take the better framerate in the NHL series and APF. I'll also take Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect. There are also the games that both systems share.. too many to name.

It's pretty clear for ME, the 360 is the perfect choice.

I don't give two shits who makes the console, I just go where the games are that interest me.

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 08:16 PM

The responses seem to be favoring the xbox 360. What price should I be looking to pay for the xbox 360 as well as the playstation 3? I would assumet hat the standard price I would find at bext buy would hold true across the board?

Pretty much all places have the same price unless you catch a sale. It depends upon which model of the 360 you want. The Core doesn't have a hard drive, but is the cheapest. I'd recommend with going with the Pro edition which should run 349 at most places and has a 20 GB Harddrive. If you think you are going to use your 360 as a DVR or to download a lot of media, then I'd go with the elite which has a bigger hard drive. Also, I think very soon (maybe this week?) the pro version is going to come bundled with 2 very good games, Forza 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance, so I'd be looking for that.

Edit the pro bundle is already out apparently according to this story with picture:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/spotted/xbox-360-pro-bundle-in-the-wild-315866.php

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-28-2007, 08:19 PM

Again, it's all about what YOU as the person purchasing the console like, gaming wise.

I have NO desire to play FF or GT 5.

I would like to play MLB The Show, MGS 4 - that's about it for ps3 games.

On the 360, I'll take the better framerate in the NHL series and APF. I'll also take Bioshock, Halo 3 and Mass Effect. There are also the games that both systems share.. too many to name.

It's pretty clear for ME, the 360 is the perfect choice.

I don't give two shits who makes the console, I just go where the games are that interest me.

Not sure anyone has said that the maker of the console should matter. Your game preference should be the main factor. As I mentioned before, the 360 right now has the larger library, but you mentioned that the games upcoming favored the 360 and that's simply not the case. It doesn't favor the PS3 either. There's a lot of big titles coming on both consoles in the upcoming year. The PS3 still has a few exclusives for this year for that matter. The 360 has most of its holiday exclusives already out with Mass Effect still to come.

MrBug708

10-28-2007, 08:20 PM

Pretty much all places have the same price unless you catch a sale. It depends upon which model of the 360 you want. The Core doesn't have a hard drive, but is the cheapest. I'd recommend with going with the Pro edition which should run 349 at most places and has a 20 GB Harddrive. If you think you are going to use your 360 as a DVR or to download a lot of media, then I'd go with the elite which has a bigger hard drive. Also, I think very soon (maybe this week?) the pro version is going to come bundled with 2 very good games, Forza 2 and Marvel Ultimate Alliance, so I'd be looking for that.

Edit the pro bundle is already out apparently according to this story with picture:
http://kotaku.com/gaming/spotted/xbox-360-pro-bundle-in-the-wild-315866.php

Im guessing this is it?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7934351

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 08:21 PM

Yep, that is it. Best deal out there in my opinion.

Neuqua

10-28-2007, 08:21 PM

Yep, that's it.

I bought a 360 a couple weeks ago and am having a blast with NBA 2k8 and am waiting for Mass Effect to be my next purchase. I am a big fan of the MGS series so for a while I thought I would hold off until the PS3 came down in price but in the end I liked what I saw out of the 360 and went ahead and purchased it without any regrets.

MrBug708

10-28-2007, 08:37 PM

Yep, that is it. Best deal out there in my opinion.

Now if only I could find one with Assassin's Creed instead of two games I dont really like :)

Neuqua

10-28-2007, 08:38 PM

Now if only I could find one with Assassin's Creed instead of two games I dont really like :)

You could always send those games to your good friend in Chicago :)

Eaglesfan27

10-28-2007, 09:04 PM

Or you could sell them on one of the websites. Forza 2 should get you a decent amount to use towards Assassin's Creed as it is still popular.

MizzouRah

10-28-2007, 09:57 PM

Not sure anyone has said that the maker of the console should matter. Your game preference should be the main factor. As I mentioned before, the 360 right now has the larger library, but you mentioned that the games upcoming favored the 360 and that's simply not the case. It doesn't favor the PS3 either. There's a lot of big titles coming on both consoles in the upcoming year. The PS3 still has a few exclusives for this year for that matter. The 360 has most of its holiday exclusives already out with Mass Effect still to come.

There is nothing specific to the ps3 besides MGS 4 that I'm really looking foward to. YMMV.

MJ4H

10-28-2007, 10:05 PM

im more intrigued by little big planet or whatever it was called than any other ps3 exclusive (or xbox 360 exclusive, for that matter). whatever happened to that game, incidentally? is it out yet?

Big Fo

10-28-2007, 10:13 PM

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-29-2007, 06:53 AM

im more intrigued by little big planet or whatever it was called than any other ps3 exclusive (or xbox 360 exclusive, for that matter). whatever happened to that game, incidentally? is it out yet?

Little Big Planet has a release date of February 2008. Here's the full list of exclusives through March for the PS3.

Ratchet & Clank (October)
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (November)
Unreal Tournament 3 (November)
Haze (November)
SingStar (December)
Killzone 2 (February)
LittleBigPlanet (February)
Metal Gear Solid 4 (March)
Metal Gear Online (March)

Kodos

10-29-2007, 07:30 AM

dont you guys get it next-gen means hyper-realistic grafix only

It's post like this that made me vote for Wii fans as being the most defensive about their console. :p

MJ4H

10-29-2007, 08:16 AM

its posts like the 15 stupid ones that was in response to that make me vote for the other two

spleen1015

10-29-2007, 08:30 AM

Let's not forget that the PS3 has Lair.

Noop

10-29-2007, 08:39 AM

I have both.

PS3 - doesn't really have any games but I am looking forward to FF and Metal Gear

XBOX360 - Alot of first person shooters and honestly I don't like playing games like Halo, BioShock, etc. The games I currently own are Fight Night, NCAA 08, Hitman and thats it. There are only two games I am looking for Mass Effect and Assain's Creed.

Kodos

10-29-2007, 08:45 AM

its posts like the 15 stupid ones that was in response to that make me vote for the other two

I honestly don't understand why people bother comparing the Wii with PS3 and Xbox 360. Or vice versa. They are different beasts aimed at different markets, just as PC games are aimed at a different market.

The biggest problem with the Wii for me is that I want to sit on my couch and relax when I'm playing a game, and would rather have a conventional controller like the Dual Shock than a Wii-mote. There's nothing wrong with the Wii-mote, it's just not my thing.

And if PS2 graphics are fine (which they are), then Wii graphics are fine too. I think you are more caught up in the graphics difference than more PS3/360 fans are. If you didn't notice, the thread is not even asking about the Wii.

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-29-2007, 09:05 AM

Let's not forget that the PS3 has Lair.

Obviously, the PS3 is the only system with craptacular games. :rolleyes:

I really don't think the original poster is going to buy the system based on which one has the least bad games.

MJ4H

10-29-2007, 09:43 AM

I honestly don't understand why people bother comparing the Wii with PS3 and Xbox 360. Or vice versa. They are different beasts aimed at different markets, just as PC games are aimed at a different market.

Agreed.

The biggest problem with the Wii for me is that I want to sit on my couch and relax when I'm playing a game, and would rather have a conventional controller like the Dual Shock than a Wii-mote. There's nothing wrong with the Wii-mote, it's just not my thing.

I find the wii controls more confortable when relaxing because I have more freedom for my hands being separated.

And if PS2 graphics are fine (which they are), then Wii graphics are fine too. I think you are more caught up in the graphics difference than more PS3/360 fans are. If you didn't notice, the thread is not even asking about the Wii.

I didn't bring up the Wii. I was commenting on how important graphics are to some people when to me it is far less important than gameplay. It was in response to the comment about MLB Power Pros not being considered a next-gen game (based solely on the fact that it wasn't in HD--total nonsense).

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-29-2007, 10:02 AM

It was in response to the comment about MLB Power Pros not being considered a next-gen game (based solely on the fact that it wasn't in HD--total nonsense).

Incorrect. It was not based solely on the fact that it is not in HD, though that certainly is one factor. The other factor is that the game is a PS2 port to the Wii. The PS2 is a last generation machine. The only difference between the Wii and PS2 version is loading times and tacked-on motion control in the homerun derby.

As I said before, it's a great game, but there's nothing that is next-gen about it.

MJ4H

10-29-2007, 11:05 AM

Sigh. It doesn't matter if an inferior version of the game is on a previous generation console. And the entire basis of the Wii being next-gen at all is those motion controls. Your statement about there being nothing next-gen about it is outright false. This is a stupid semantic argument anyway. The original poster was claiming it was a better game than MLB The Show. Discarding it because it isn't a "next-gen" game, no matter the definition, is stupid. Discounting it if it isn't *better* is valid.

TroyF

10-29-2007, 11:10 AM

What a great thread.

1) Bill Abner is a good writer with an opinion. His opinion isn't always "correct." Ditto for Bill Harris. I enjoy reading both of those guys, but do I agree with what they say all the time? Hell no. I personally think NBA2K8 is as good of a sports game as I've ever played. Does it have issues? No question about it. But at the end of the day it's a great game.

2) Saying Power Pros isn't next gen because of the graphics? Asinine. That's one of the better next gen games there is. It beats the living hell out of The Show or MLB2K this year. Simply crushes it.

3) The 360 is more than first person shooters. There are a ridiculous number of high quality titles that cover almost any genre. From sports, to role playing to third person action games, there are bigtime titles for any fan. Yes, there are some amazing shooters out for it. But to call it an FPS system with little else is overdoing it.

4) The 360 is the better system right now. That may change in 6 months. For me, the Wii is still the "lite" system. I play power pros on it. I play Metroid on it. But I enjoy Bioshock and NBA2K far more than those games. I don't think the Wii is ever going to be my main system of choice. Nothing wrong with that. It's one hell of a system, good enough for me to buy and enjoy.

MrBug708

10-29-2007, 12:12 PM

Would it be wise to buy a fan for the gaming systems? I remember hardware failures being an issue when the systems overheat

Mizzou B-ball fan

10-29-2007, 12:16 PM

Would it be wise to buy a fan for the gaming systems? I remember hardware failures being an issue when the systems overheat

With a 360, there's no question a fan is appropriate. That's the only system that has overheating issues. There was some question as to whether the fans would help, but the alternative of having no fan isn't much more appealing. Even the newer Elite and Halo 3 edition Xbox 360's have had reports of hardware failure, though they aren't as high of a percentage as the Premium and Core models.

dawgfan

10-29-2007, 01:07 PM

Would it be wise to buy a fan for the gaming systems? I remember hardware failures being an issue when the systems overheat
Keep it upright, not in a confined space and not right next to a heater vent or something else putting off a lot of heat and you'll more than likely be fine. The reports I've read are that the after-market cooling fans, while well-intentioned, don't do much good (and might actually make the heating issue worse).

dawgfan

10-29-2007, 01:08 PM

Dola -

I'd also avoid leaving it on when you're not playing it.

Eaglesfan27

10-29-2007, 01:11 PM

Keep it upright, not in a confined space and not right next to a heater vent or something else putting off a lot of heat and you'll more than likely be fine. The reports I've read are that the after-market cooling fans, while well-intentioned, don't do much good (and might actually make the heating issue worse).

I'm curious since I believe you have more expertise than I, but why keep it upright? Mine has been horizontal for 2 years now without any problems, and I thought I've always read that it didn't matter. I do make sure it is in a well ventilated area that is otherwise cool and I never close the entertainment center when it is on.

MizzouRah

10-29-2007, 03:40 PM

I keep mine horizontal, well ventilated, turn it off after I'm done, etc.. never had an issue (crosses fingers).

Kodos

10-29-2007, 03:45 PM

I've had a couple RROD's with it vertical, so I keep it horizontal but out in the open.

sabotai

10-29-2007, 03:49 PM

I kept mine horizontal. It RRoD'ed on me a little while back, but I don't think that was a heating problem. I think the problem was with the DVD drive (it wouldn't open most of the time).

dawgfan

10-29-2007, 03:56 PM

I'm curious since I believe you have more expertise than I, but why keep it upright? Mine has been horizontal for 2 years now without any problems, and I thought I've always read that it didn't matter. I do make sure it is in a well ventilated area that is otherwise cool and I never close the entertainment center when it is on.
It probably doesn't matter much, but any extra amount of room to allow the system to vent air I think is a plus. Keeping it horizontal reduces the venting slightly.

JetsIn06

10-29-2007, 05:35 PM

I bought a 5-dollar fan, probably only a few inches across. It keeps the air moving, and I've never had a problem.

Groundhog

10-29-2007, 05:42 PM

FWIW, I noticed that my 360 scratched the disks at a far greater rate when put vertically.

MizzouRah

10-29-2007, 09:35 PM

I also don't leave games in the drive.

14ers

10-30-2007, 02:05 AM

I just read that the 40GB PS3s will be availble for $399 on Nov 2nd.

Somone popsted that he just picked up one of these at WalMart today. I still like the 60gb bundle and 5 free movie deal at walmart.

Mustang

10-30-2007, 08:30 AM

Just make your selection a personal choice and screw everything else.

Personally, I could give a crap about technical specifications or potential or anything related to that. I just look at the game library now and in the near future (1 year out). If the library is too your liking, then go with that one.

That's why I'd never buy a Wii... I just don't like those type of games and right now, this is why I won't buy a PS3, because there is nothing that I want. Doesn't mean that I think those systems suck but, they just don't suit what I personally want. (Damn shame about Lair though.. with a $399 price tag coming, that could have been a system seller for me)