2007-2008 NBA Regular Season Thread

[miami_fan]

The season kicks off with the Spurs hosting the Trailblazers.

Tim Duncan got an extension today. 2 years $40 mil.

[sterlingice]

Rockets play the Lakers tonight on TNT

SI

[Neuqua]

Is there a GM in the league who deserves more and gets less press than RC Buford?

For what it's worth, one of my team's to watch are the Portland Trail Blazers playing tonight. People all but forgot about them since Oden got hurt but they have a boatload of good quality young talent.

Go Bulls.

[korme]

Spurs are going to dominate and traditionally win by just about 10. Looking forward to the later game.

[miami_fan]

Is there a GM in the league who deserves more and gets less press than RC Buford?

For what it's worth, one of my team's to watch are the Portland Trail Blazers playing tonight. People all but forgot about them since Oden got hurt but they have a boatload of good quality young talent.

Go Bulls.

I think most NBA fans just assume that Popovich is the GM of the Spurs. I am not sure what the power breakdown is but Buford is one of the best.

[miami_fan]

Portland is hanging around in this one.

[JeeberD]

Rockets play the Lakers tonight on TNT

SI

No Odom for the Lakers tonight, I believe. The Rox are gonna roll!

[Neon_Chaos]

No Odom for the Lakers tonight, I believe. The Rox are gonna roll!

Should be a fun game. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

The Rockets better pick it up offensively. :)

[JeeberD]

It's early... :)

[miami_fan]

Hey Jeebs. How did Scola look for the Rockets in the preseason?

[JeeberD]

Pretty solid. His shot was pretty good, his passing was decent, his rebounding wasn't great. He'll still be splitting PT with Chuck Hayes for a while...

[JeeberD]

It's amazing how much have a "pedigree" will do for a player. I's saw Coby Karl play at Boise, and he's a solid player, but he wasn't amazing. But because his dad is a former player and coach, he gets a spot on an NBA team...

[MrBug708]

It's amazing how much have a "pedigree" will do for a player. I's saw Coby Karl play at Boise, and he's a solid player, but he wasn't amazing. But because his dad is a former player and coach, he gets a spot on an NBA team...

Very ignorant thing to say

[Neon_Chaos]

McGrady is having a horrid shooting game. Ugh. And he's on my team.

[Neon_Chaos]

LOL. Did McGrady just say Fuck on national TV? This is gold! :)

[JeeberD]

Very ignorant thing to say

OK.

Much better second quarter than first. When Tracy is off, he's really off. He needs to quit settling for jumpers and take it to the rack...

[Neuqua]

I've watched the NBA my entire life and that Chuck Hayes free throw was by far the ugliest, most embarassing memory I have.

[Neon_Chaos]

I've watched the NBA my entire life and that Chuck Hayes free throw was by far the ugliest, most embarassing memory I have.

I second this.

[JeeberD]

Rockets just HAD to make this game interesting, didn't they?

[JeeberD]

Jesus

H

Christ

[JeeberD]

Thank god for Shane...

[MrBug708]

Hell of a last minute and a half in the Lakers game.

[MrBug708]

Damn

[JeeberD]

Cry me a river, Kobe...

[JeeberD]

Dola-

Hell of a game. The Rockets have a LOT they need to improve on if they're going to compete for the West...

[korme]

Thank god for Shane...

I second this!

[korme]

Neuqua, how much is Noah expected to play this season - fantasy wise, I need another center (he's eligible).

[Neon_Chaos]

Good game, btw. Great way to open the 07-08 season.

[Groundhog]

Just watched the Spurs-Blazers game on replay.

Spurs were their usual invincible selves.

As for the Blazers, they looked pretty darn good tonight, especially Aldridge. Imagine how good the Bulls would be if they had kept Aldridge on draft night? He's going to be something special with that mix of inside-and-out.

[Neuqua]

Shorty, he's pretty much Ben Wallace's backup. He is going to be out for a couple weeks to start the season though because he got hurt in the last preseason game so you may just want to hold off on him.

He'll probably play similar minutes to what Tyrus played last year.

[sooner333]

Does anyone have League Pass? My roommate wants to get it, and I'll feel guilty not paying a share since I will probably watch at least a handful of games. Does the NBA just get old after a full season? Plus, I don't even know who to go for...I watched the Warriors growing up, the Hornets the past two years, and now the Sonics could come to OKC.

[Coffee Warlord]

Neuqua, how much is Noah expected to play this season - fantasy wise, I need another center (he's eligible).

He won't generate crap for fantasy numbers anyway. Joe Smith would put up more points than him.

[korme]

He won't generate crap for fantasy numbers anyway. Joe Smith would put up more points than him.

Do not second guess my fantasy skillz.

14 team league. Right now, he's about 6th down on available FA centers... behind DeSagana Diop (2ppg, 2rpg woo), and some other lackeys that average less than that. So I figure why not take a flyer on Noah- maybe he puts up similar numbers, or maybe he gets 6 & 6... it's worth a shot, you aren't missing much by staying away from the other guys

[korme]

FYI: My NBA League Pass channels are all broadcasting for free for a limited time so check your own! I am watching Yi Jianlian's clumsy plodding ass as I type this!

[miami_fan]

Varejao wants $9 mil???!!!!!:eek:

[Neon_Chaos]

The Seattle/Denver game is so goddamned fast. EVERYONE'S BEEN RUNNING. Jeez.

[JeeberD]

behind DeSagana Diop (2ppg, 2rpg woo)

Erick Dampier is still out for the Mavs so Diop should be seeing some decent PT. He's not going to get you all that many points, but he'll likely rack up decent rebound and block numbers...

[JeeberD]

Dola-

For instance, he had 8 points, 11 boards, and four blocks in 37 minutes tonight...

[Atocep]

Durant is consistently getting cut off on the way to the basket and he ends up settling for akward leaners and hook shots.

I will say he's at least showing effort on defense. He looks lost, but he's trying.

[Groundhog]

He's nursing an (ankle?) injury, so that's probably not doing him any favours.

[k0ruptr]

Hmm, Damien Wilkins looking good, Breakout year anybody?

[miami_fan]

Who is Kobe Bryant's agent and why was he allowed to rape the Lakers on Kobe's contract?

[Chief Rum]

Rob Pelinka and because the Lakers' dysfunctional management is one of the worst run in sports.

[Neon_Chaos]

Damn. This Sonics team is fun to watch. :)

[Chief Rum]

BTW, first right decision the Lakers have made in a long time is holding to their guns and refusing to deal Kobe for less than they want. He's an "old" 29 and he can't do anything except play for the Lakers for the next two years. Who is going to give him a max contract in two years, when he's 31 and probably showing signs of decline? How much valuable prime playing time will he allow to pass before forcing action from other teams and not holding to ridiculous contract or trade demands?

If the Lakers are smart, they hold on for the best deal. And if it doesn't come along, they let him and Odom both walk in two years and get a whole crapload of cap space.

[miami_fan]

BTW, first right decision the Lakers have made in a long time is holding to their guns and refusing to deal Kobe for less than they want. He's an "old" 29 and he can't do anything except play for the Lakers for the next two years. Who is going to give him a max contract in two years, when he's 31 and probably showing signs of decline? How much valuable prime playing time will he allow to pass before forcing action from other teams and not holding to ridiculous contract or trade demands?

If the Lakers are smart, they hold on for the best deal. And if it doesn't come along, they let him and Odom both walk in two years and get a whole crapload of cap space.

I agree with you BUT it seems that this has become very personal for Jerry and Jim Buss. I really believe they want him gone now no matter what. I don't trust those guys enough to put their personal feelings aside for much longer and expect them to jump at a deal before he opts out.

[Sublime 2]

The new look C's debuted nicely. Rondo was impressive defensively against Arenas and looked up to snuff offensively as well. When T. Allen gets over the mental part of his knee injury he'll be a great bench threat along with Posey and House. Scalabrini even showed that playing with veterans he can be useful off the bench. Only one game, but a great start to the season!

Sundays game against the Raptors should be a great game between the two teams I expect to challenge for the Atlantic title.

[Chief Rum]

It's a home game against a team expected to contend for a playoff spot (not a lock) in the Warriors, but it was a very nice night for the Clips last night. They beat a solid team with a monster effort by Kaman, who basically needs to become Elton Brand for the next few months. Wasn't sure he had it in him, and he just looked terrific. Thomas and Cassell both chipped in with 20+, and Maggette had 16. A nice effort all around with a bit of help from a long bench. Patterson, of all people, really disrupted things on the dfefensive end.

One bad thing: way too many TOs (18). Still, it was nice to see. This team has to be on a mission: "Make It To February With A Chance". If it can still be in range to make it to the playoffs, EB will be back.

[SirFozzie]

I know the Nuggets are on the 2nd game in two nights, but the Celtics were just clowning them, 77-39 at the half!

[Sublime 2]

I know the Nuggets are on the 2nd game in two nights, but the Celtics were just clowning them, 77-39 at the half!

The Celtics defense has been astronomically improved so far this season against 3 good to very good offenses (Wash, Toronto, and Denver). Just the first 3 games have been a huge payoff for sitting through 2-3 seasons of player development.

[JonInMiddleGA]

In sports ... Hawks beat Suns 105-96.

In other news ... Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria.

Tomorrow's weather ... Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes.

[Chief Rum]

Elton Brand who?

[miami_fan]

The Heat finally got their first win of the year. I have no idea why Pat Riley keeps draft picks and/or keeps players with less than 6 years experience on his team. With few exceptions (Wade, Haslem), he refuses to get the young guys any time on the floor. I don't know if Dorell Wright is any good or not but there is no reason for him to just get 6 minutes of PT while Penny Hardaway is getting 36 mins in a game.

[Groundhog]

For whatever bloody reason the programmers behind our ESPN and Fox sports channels still think it's 2 years ago and decided to put way too many Heat games on the Aussie cable sports channels, so I've seen 4 Heat games already this year, few of which have been worth watching. The biggest surprise has been the play of Penny, who looks really, really good out there. I was shocked that the Heat not only brought him to camp but gave him a contract, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

I've said it before, but imagine Shaq, Zo, and Penny on the same team 10 years ago. :)

[bulletsponge]

For whatever bloody reason the programmers behind our ESPN and Fox sports channels still think it's 2 years ago and decided to put way too many Heat games on the Aussie cable sports channels, so I've seen 4 Heat games already this year, few of which have been worth watching. The biggest surprise has been the play of Penny, who looks really, really good out there. I was shocked that the Heat not only brought him to camp but gave him a contract, but I'm happy to be proven wrong.

I've said it before, but imagine Shaq, Zo, and Penny on the same team 10 years ago. :)


they put "names" on tv, they dont care about how the teams are doing

[Sublime 2]

they put "names" on tv, they dont care about how the teams are doing

Put the Celtics on...best of both worlds. ;)

[miami_fan]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/11/13/marbury.knicks.ap/index.html

PHOENIX (AP) -- Stephon Marbury missed the New York Knicks shootaround Tuesday, and coach Isiah Thomas said he was uncertain whether the guard would show up for Tuesday night's game against the Phoenix Suns.

"That is an in-house matter, and we'll continue to keep it in-house," Thomas said when asked why Marbury went missing. "However, he is welcome back, and we want him as a member of this team."

The New York Daily News quoted an unidentified team source as saying Marbury was upset when he learned he would not be in the starting lineup.

Marbury's absence followed a story in Tuesday's Daily News indicating the Knicks were trying to reduce his role or get rid of him. A trade seems unlikely, because Marbury is scheduled to earn $42 million over the next two seasons.

"We hope to see him tonight," Thomas said. "However, if he is not, make no mistake about it, we do want him as a member of this basketball team."

Thomas said this was not the first time this kind of incident has happened.

"It seems like he and I go through this every November, then a couple of weeks go by and we kind of kiss and make up, then we go back to the business of trying to win basketball games," he said

Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

[Atocep]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/11/13/marbury.knicks.ap/index.html

Why in gods name is Isiah Thomas still employed?

[SirFozzie]

Why in gods name is Isiah Thomas still employed?

Large contract.

Good game tonight.. Celtics/Pacers.

[miami_fan]

Why in gods name is Isiah Thomas still employed?

http://www.thegarden.com/media/corporate/bios-james-dolan.jpg

[korme]

Large contract.

Good game tonight.. Celtics/Pacers.



Good game for a Celtics spanking, probably as you know Diogu is out 4-6 weeks they have no depth.

[Groundhog]

Yeah, I'll be shocked if the Celtics don't stomp them. Having said that, the Celtics can't exactly go 82-0. I'm looking forward to some solid Celtics vs Spurs/Mavs/Suns games.

[SirFozzie]

Celts move to 6-0 with a 15 point win over the Pacers, 101-86.

They're even getting a bit of swagger, this is from the ESPN report:

Indiana guard Jamaal Tinsley fouled Pierce hard on a drive to the basket with the game tied at 38 late in the second quarter. Pierce quickly turned toward Tinsley, but kept his cool.

Suddenly awakened, Pierce even did push-ups between free throws to taunt the crowd. Moments later, after Pierce went baseline for a thunderous dunk, a Celtics player on the bench shouted, "Oops, you got him mad! Uh-oh!"

Pierce scored 13 points in the final 3:06 of the first half to give the Celtics a 52-43 lead.

[JPhillips]

I saw some of this game and while the Cs looked good at times, I didn't like how their offense was so stagnant during most of the third quarter. They seemed to be almost exclusively relying on one on one matchups in the half court set.

The defense, though, was spectacular. Indiana couldn't get anything going at all and the lane was a complete no passing zone.

[molson]

Celts move to 6-0 with a 15 point win over the Pacers, 101-86.

They're even getting a bit of swagger, this is from the ESPN report:

Indiana guard Jamaal Tinsley fouled Pierce hard on a drive to the basket with the game tied at 38 late in the second quarter. Pierce quickly turned toward Tinsley, but kept his cool.

Suddenly awakened, Pierce even did push-ups between free throws to taunt the crowd. Moments later, after Pierce went baseline for a thunderous dunk, a Celtics player on the bench shouted, "Oops, you got him mad! Uh-oh!"

Pierce scored 13 points in the final 3:06 of the first half to give the Celtics a 52-43 lead.

Love it. Ainge is a dope for 5 years, makes 2 trades, and suddenly has the best Celtics team since the Bird era.

[JeeberD]

Ugh...Memphis?!?

[bulletsponge]

Ugh...Memphis?!?

thats the kind of team the Rockets always loose to. im suprised they didnt blow it in Charlotte the other day

[Groundhog]

Cavs finally get a home game, and then allow the Magic to score 11 points in just 1 and a half minutes to open the game.

[Groundhog]

Cheik Samb with a nasty block on Bynum, but the Lakers continue to play themselves a good game of basketball so far.

[Groundhog]

Holy crap, Cheikh Samb is playing some amazing basketball right now for the Pistons. Another HUGE block, and he even hit a mid-ranger.

[rjolley]

Ok, I had to look up who in the world Cheick Samb is. Never heard the name before.

[sterlingice]

(me neither)

SI

[Groundhog]

I watched him play a couple of summer league games and he was impressive in short bursts albeit still rough around the edges, but he certainly looks like a baller tonight. I don't know if it's a fluke or if he's just improved VERY quickly since pre-season, but looks like the Pistons have yet another promising young bigman buried on their bench.

[Groundhog]

lol... Lamar Odom throws the ball at an official, it bounces off him straight to Vlad who hits the jumper for the first ref assist I think I've ever seen.

[Groundhog]

Good 4th Q for the Lakers to pull out the win.

This was one of those games for Kobe where for 3 quarters you are thinking "Why the hell are you throwing up that shot with 18 seconds left on the shot clock?", and then you realise why that is in the 4th Q; because he expects to make every shot he takes. Say what you want about him (and I certainly do at times), but tonight was just another example of why there are few deadlier players with the ball in their hands.

Great game from Odom, Farmar and Bynum, too.

[Groundhog]

Well, it was bound to happen. Celtics are getting smoked at the half by the Magic, down 58-41.

Maybe these Magic are for real?

[Groundhog]

Celtics fighting back after a solid 3rd Q. Big steal and dunk by Tony Allen and it's 81-85 Orlando with 9:30 remaining.

[Groundhog]

Magic up by 1 with 7.2 seconds left, Rashard Lewis misses the first FT.

[Groundhog]

Hits the 2nd. Lets see if Ray Allen, who has hit 2 massive threes down the stretch, can do it again.

[Groundhog]

Nope. 104-102 Magic, for the Celtics' first loss.

[Groundhog]

Lakers trade Brian Cook and Maurice Evans to the Magic for Trevor Ariza. With Vlad and Cook essentially the same player they reduced redundancy there, but I don't know about Ariza. He's a good defender and can jump out of the gym (and has always been a guy I pick up in the NBA 2K games), but I think I'd rather have Maurice Evans than Ariza.

Good trade for the Magic, as Evans may very well start over Bogans at SG and Cook gives them a guy who can log 10-15 decent minutes a game off the bench. Bit of a head scratcher for the Lakers.

[Chief Rum]

Lakers trade Brian Cook and Maurice Evans to the Magic for Trevor Ariza. With Vlad and Cook essentially the same player they reduced redundancy there, but I don't know about Ariza. He's a good defender and can jump out of the gym (and has always been a guy I pick up in the NBA 2K games), but I think I'd rather have Maurice Evans than Ariza.

Good trade for the Magic, as Evans may very well start over Bogans at SG and Cook gives them a guy who can log 10-15 decent minutes a game off the bench. Bit of a head scratcher for the Lakers.

This was a move to get rid of Cook. He has been bitching for a couple years now about his PT, and never mind when he's told to improve his D and he will play more. He's still an awful defender. He can average 20 ppg with regular time and his team would still be down 5-10 points for having him in there.

I am pretty sure it was a chemistry thing, and the chance to add another decent young player who actually is willing to defend.

[Big Fo]

Man, I wish ESPN/TNT would put the Magic on TV once in a while, I don't watch enough hoops to justify League Pass but would still like to watch them a few times per year.

[MrBug708]

Good trade for the Lakers IMO. Lakers are missing a true wing on their squad and besides Kobe, they don't have someone who runs the floor as good as Ariza can. Chief said it right through, Vlad Rad is a better version of Cook and Cook has been a head case. Lakers do lose anything close to a true SG not name Kobe but now Crittenden can actually get on the floor. Plus he's a Bruin :)

[Ironhead]

Anybody think this Lebron James kid will ever reach his potential? Starting to think he might be an overhyped bust.


(another triple double today)

[Atocep]

Anybody think this Lebron James kid will ever reach his potential? Starting to think he might be an overhyped bust.


(another triple double today)

He's no David Eckstein.

[SirFozzie]

Nice Finish by the Celtics, Ray Allen hitting a three at the buzzer to beat the Bobcats by 1.

[stevew]

Anybody think this Lebron James kid will ever reach his potential? Starting to think he might be an overhyped bust.


(another triple double today)I can't wait until he gets snubbed in the MVP voting again. The Cavs would win 15 games a season without him.

[Groundhog]

In a display of defensive prowess that would make any coach cringe, the score at the end of the first quarter of the Sun and the Warriors is 45-37, Warriors up.

[stevew]

Varajao negotiations looking good in preseason. :(

[Neon_Chaos]

Uh... the Bucks are leading their division. Yeah, the one with Detroit, Indiana, Cleveland, and Chicago.

[Sublime 2]

Good game between the Cavs and Celts goin on right now.

[stevew]

I'm going to the next Cavs/Celts game sometime in February. Hopefully the celtics get beat single handedly again.

[larrymcg421]

I'm going to the next Cavs/Celts game sometime in February. Hopefully the celtics get beat single handedly again.

Well, that's the only way it will happen.

[Neon_Chaos]

Wow. You know the Celts were in trouble when the leading rebounder for the game was their 6'1" PG.

[miami_fan]

Varajao negotiations looking good in preseason. :(

I know you want him back on the floor but do you really want him at $8-10 mil a year?

[stevew]

I know you want him back on the floor but do you really want him at $8-10 mil a year?

Nah, it just sucks that it's come down to this.

[stevew]

I think the thing that pisses me off the most about the situation is the timing of the latest comments. It's way to much of a coincidence for Fegan to have Andy speak out right in the middle of a Celtics/Pistons/Celtics stretch. Fegan seems much more focused in trying to distract the remaining members of the team than in working out a reasonable market value contract for his client. In 3 years Andy has basically made the league minimum, so he really has a lot to lose by this stalemate. The money Ferry supposedly offered is more than in line with his production(up to 40mil/5 years) and would easily provide lifetime security for his family.

But simply put Fegan is an asshole, and I hope he emerges with egg on his face. Andy's probably been my favorite player in a long time, and this whole situation sucks. I admire the way the guy battles for everything. Yeah, the flops are annoying, but he does a lot more than just that. He could conceivably fire Fegan, sign a deal and I think the fans would get over it. But now that his older brother is firmly on the Fegan payroll as some sort of a scout/evaluator, it just seems less and less likely. I guess it's sign and trade or bust now.

[Groundhog]

I have no doubt it's all on Fegan either.

I tell you what though, Gooden has really impressed me lately, and so has Z. If the Cavs want to win, especially with the bench depth they have now (ie. none), these two need to step up to the plate like they did yesterday pretty much every night.

[Northwood_DK]

I have never seen Bill Walton play a single game and I don’t care much about basketball. Still I find the latest Bill Simmons ESPN Podcast absolutely fascinating. To listen to him talk just makes you smile.

[miami_fan]

The Knicks are bad. I know that, we all know that. But there is no way they are supposed to be 30 points worse than the Celtics.

[molson]

The Knicks are bad. I know that, we all know that. But there is no way they are supposed to be 30 points worse than the Celtics.

Make that 45 points. 82-37!!!

Classless Celtics running up the score :)

[Sublime 2]

I'm embarrassed to be watching this right now...C's up 50!!


Ok...I'm kind of enjoying it, but still...I feel slightly bad.:D

[Lathum]

I'm not a big NBA guy but 59 points? Are you kidding me?

[DaddyTorgo]

wow. That's crazy

[Anthony]

i think Isaiah Thomas has a bet with his friends to get fired this season, and is doing everything possible to lose his job. you might think that's pretty easy to do, but when you have James Dolan as your boss you have to get pretty creative.

[Logan]

Outside of any New York Knick, I never want to hear another athlete ever called "overpaid" again when Phil Jackson is making $12 million a year to coach.

[Chief Rum]

Outside of any New York Knick, I never want to hear another athlete ever called "overpaid" again when Phil Jackson is making $12 million a year to coach.

Last I checked, the situations of an athlete being overpaid and a coach being overpaid are not mutually exclusive.

[Atocep]

An article that talks about how serious Gilbert Arenas' knee injury really is.

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=56

Did Agent Zero undergo a new secret procedure, one that will have him back on the court in three months when it has cost others a full year? Is Gilbert Arenas actually some kind of superman, an alien with healing powers far beyond those of mortal men? How will the Wizards will fare without the NBA's most valuable blogger

Arenas underwent knee surgery last week, a combination procedure designed to fix the current, acute problem and to try and minimize the damage down the line. The surgery, performed by Wizards team orthopaedist Marc Connell, had two major elements. In the first, Connell repaired the medial meniscus, the small layer of cartilage between the femur and tibia, the large weight-bearing bones of the upper and lower leg, respectively. In the second, he used microfracture techniques on the head of the fibula, the smaller bone in the lower leg. Microfracture, in which small holes are punched or cut into bone to stimulate bleeding and, hopefully, a healing response (along with creating a "blood bed," a large clot that functions as both nutrition for the area and as cushion) occurs at the site.

It is important to note that Arenas was recovering from a lateral meniscus repair performed in the offseason. Arenas never fully recovered, seeing swelling and pain in the area with activity. It is this surgery that is notable much more than the current procedures, and in fact may be more important, period. In this image, you can see the location of the structures involved. This image is of the right knee from above and forward, with the medial (inside) meniscus on the right and the fibula's head on the right (lateral aspect). When the lateral meniscus was repaired--or, more likely, removed--the jumping, running and stopping likely caused some bone-on-bone contact inside Arenas' knee, especially at the extreme lateral aspect where the fibula is located. This is where the microfracture comes into play.

Unlike other microfracture surgeries, which are normally performed on the tibial plateau (the large, flattish part of the tibia where most weight bearing occurs), the fibula will not require as much recovery time. That said, if the microfracture does not do what it was intended--create healing at the site as well as cushioning--then Agent Zero will find himself back at square one. The longer-term concern is that, absent a complete meniscus on either side, Arenas is more likely to have arthritic changes, continued swelling and a significant negative effect on his skills.

While it is impossible to make an apples-to-apples comparison of the microfracture surgery performed on Arenas to the more well-known applications of the technique on players such as Amaré Stoudamire and Greg Oden, it's also not necessary. Arenas' knees are simply breaking down under the stress of his activity, as proven by continued, chronic swelling and the reduction of function in the twice-repaired meniscus complex. The three-month recovery quoted by the Wizards is extremely aggressive--most physicians interviewed for this piece felt that six months was a more likely scenario--but none would rule it out. "Pain tolerance is what it will come down to," said one orthopaedist who regularly performs this type of surgery on skiers. Arenas may be able to come back from this on his schedule, but for his career, the clock is ticking.

That should make for an interesting summer for Arenas, who holds a player option on the final year of his contract. It was a foregone conclusion entering the season that Arenas would become a free agent and sign a new, more lucrative contract. Teams will surely be more reluctant to throw around that kind of money given the uncertain future of Arenas' knee. It may make more sense for him to play out his contract and try to go into free agency on a more positive note.

[stevew]

From ESPN
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- In need of a big man, the Charlotte Bobcats reached agreement Tuesday on a three-year offer sheet with Cleveland restricted free agent Anderson Varejao, giving the Cavaliers a week to match the deal or lose him.

ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher reported the offer sheet is worth $17.4 million, which would fit the Bobcats' mid-level salary cap exception.

Varejao's agent, Dan Fegan, could not immediately be reached.

The 6-foot-10 Varejao has been in a prolonged contract dispute with the Cavaliers, which has kept him sidelined this season. He said last week that he would prefer to be traded.

Cavs should match this offer, I would think. And thusly the most bizarre holdout in recent memory will end.

[Atocep]

Cavs should match this offer, I would think. And thusly the most bizarre holdout in recent memory will end.

Isn't that roughly what the Cavs had been offering all along?





Btw, Sixers finally fired Billy King. Has such a bad GM ever been given so much time?

[stevew]

Isn't that roughly what the Cavs had been offering all along?





Btw, Sixers finally fired Billy King. Has such a bad GM ever been given so much time?

This offer gives Andy an opt out after the 2nd season. Apparently it was something the Cavs didn't want to do.

Billy King is bad, but some of his counterparts are not much better....McHale, Isiah, etc. Hell, I was watching an 80's celtics game the other day, and it was like a bad GM meet and greet on the floor. Ainge may have gotten lucky this year, but he's still a pisspoor GM.

[miami_fan]

From ESPN


Cavs should match this offer, I would think. And thusly the most bizarre holdout in recent memory will end.

They definitely should match.

[miami_fan]

I am not sure I understand the timing of the King firing. Oh he defintely deserved to be fired. However, he deserved to be fired before the draft. If you let him draft three first round picks , you might as well let him stick around.

[Atocep]

I am not sure I understand the timing of the King firing. Oh he defintely deserved to be fired. However, he deserved to be fired before the draft. If you let him draft three first round picks , you might as well let him stick around.

Apparently he wasn't fired by the owner. He fired several people in the front office and then fired himself admitting that he had done a poor job and there needed to be changes made.

[rkmsuf]

Apparently he wasn't fired by the owner. He fired several people in the front office and then fired himself admitting that he had done a poor job and there needed to be changes made.

did he do it in front of a mirror?

[Atocep]

did he do it in front of a mirror?

:D

Thats just a rumor that I've heard so far, but it is rather strange to fire yourself. Even if anyone thats ever watched a sixer game knows how bad of a job you did.

[miami_fan]

Apparently he wasn't fired by the owner. He fired several people in the front office and then fired himself admitting that he had done a poor job and there needed to be changes made.

If only more executives would take the same stand, if that is true.

[Ironhead]

Apparently he wasn't fired by the owner. He fired several people in the front office and then fired himself admitting that he had done a poor job and there needed to be changes made.

Does this mean he will soon be working for the Mets, ala George in Seinfeld?

[Groundhog]

Cavs match the furry headed Brazillian's offer. I liked Gilbert Arena's take on the situation in his blog.

Anyone else think the Kings are trying to tank this season? Bibby out a further month or more with a thumb injury, and now Kevin Martin is out 4-6 weeks with a groin injury. Abdur-Rahim is also out with knee problems. Kings are currently 7-10, but figure to do much worse with Martin out.

[stevew]

Cavs match the furry headed Brazillian's offer. I liked Gilbert Arena's take on the situation in his blog.

Anyone else think the Kings are trying to tank this season? Bibby out a further month or more with a thumb injury, and now Kevin Martin is out 4-6 weeks with a groin injury. Abdur-Rahim is also out with knee problems. Kings are currently 7-10, but figure to do much worse with Martin out.

The Kings really should make a push for Beasley/Mayo/Rose. If they could trade Bibby and Artest this season and get a few more younger players, they could reload relatively quickly. Petrie will just have to attach guys like Thomas and/or Abdur Rahim along with the "better" players.

[Atocep]

Kidd is supposedly on strike right now wanting to either be traded or get a contract extension. Thats the real reason he didn't play last night.

Somewhere, Derek Bell is smiling.

[stevew]

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN? WANTED FOR STEALING MILLIONS!

http://xs122.xs.to/xs122/07521/ninjalarry.jpg

32% Shooting, he's probably my most disliked player in the history of me following sports.

credit goes to some guy named Ben on realcavsfans.com

[stevew]

dola

lol

hxxp://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/

[miami_fan]

dola

lol

hxxp://heylarryhughespleasestoptakingsomanybadshots.com/

That is some funny stuff, especially Mike Brown's present.:D

[Young Drachma]

I'm so tired of Bill Walton's commentary on Kobe. We all know he's just defending the Lakers because his son plays for them.

[MrBug708]

I'm so tired of Bill Walton's commentary on Kobe. We all know he's just defending the Lakers because his son plays for them.

Bill Walton is a Los Angeles homer in general. Like it or not, the Lakers are still relevant. :)

[Sublime 2]

Celts vs Pistons tonight at the Palace. Should be another great game between the East elite. I expect to see more Tony Allen on Billups than the last game, after Billups tore Rondo up in the second half. Hopefully Ray Allen puts last night behind him and goes off for 30+ and the C's win! Go Celts!

[stevew]

Hawks can't count
NBA grants appeal, to replay game

January 11, 2008
NEW YORK (TICKER) -- The NBA on Friday granted a game protest filed by the Miami Heat, the league's first upheld protest in over 25 years.

The Heat protested a scoring error in the final minute of their 117-111 overtime loss to the Atlanta Hawks on December 19 at Philips Arena.

The ruling will result in a replay of the final 51.9 seconds of the game's overtime period, with the Hawks owning a 114-111 lead.

The game will officially be finished prior to the next scheduled meeting between the teams on March 8 at Philips Arena. It is the league's first granted protest since December 14, 1982, when then-Commissioner Larry O'Brien upheld a ruling protest made by the San Antonio Spurs.

According to current Commissioner David Stern's ruling, the NBA on Friday found that the Hawks were "grossly negligent" in committing a scoring error against Heat center Shaquille O'Neal.

With 51.9 seconds remaining in overtime, the official scorer's table incorrectly assessed O'Neal with his sixth personal foul, disqualifying him from the contest.

It actually was the fifth foul committed by O'Neal, who was attributed with a foul late in the fourth quarter that was called against Heat forward Udonis Haslem.

Stern fined the Hawks $50,000, saying that the team's scoring table personnel failed to follow league rules and failed to respond effectively when made aware of the mistake.

"Because of this conduct by Atlanta's personnel, Miami suffered a clear competitive disadvantage," a league statement said. "O'Neal - the Heat's second leading scorer and rebounder that night - was removed from a one-point game with only 51.9 seconds remaining."

Yahoo Sports

[JeeberD]

The ruling will result in a replay of the final 51.9 seconds of the game's overtime period, with the Hawks owning a 114-111 lead.

With 51.9 seconds remaining in overtime, the official scorer's table incorrectly assessed O'Neal with his sixth personal foul, disqualifying him from the contest.

"Because of this conduct by Atlanta's personnel, Miami suffered a clear competitive disadvantage," a league statement said. "O'Neal - the Heat's second leading scorer and rebounder that night - was removed from a one-point game with only 51.9 seconds remaining."

Unless I'm missing something here, whoever released the statement for the league can't count either...

[Sublime 2]

Unless I'm missing something here, whoever released the statement for the league can't count either...

I think Shaq fouled, when it was a 1 point game, the Hawks player made 2 FT's to make it a 3 point game. That's just my guess, didn't see the game.

[JeeberD]

I can see that, I guess...

[miami_fan]

Hopefully they will go back and review the other games. This team needs all the help it can get. Depressing.

[MrBug708]

So what if Shaq is hurt and cant play?

[stevew]

I want to know what happens if there is a trade between now and then.

[RPI-Fan]

I think they should just simulate it in NBA 2k8.

[Groundhog]

Joakim Noah benched for a couple of games by the Bulls players for talking back to an assistant coach. Apparently it's not the first of his problems either, as he has been late several times this year and was criticized earlier in the year by former coach Skiles for some comments he made after a loss he was DNP-CD'ed in. I didn't really expect that from Noah, but looks like he's got some maturing to do.

Also, Bynum is out for 8 weeks with knee issues which figures to pretty much put an end to the great basketball the Lakers have been playing.

[miami_fan]

Joakim Noah benched for a couple of games by the Bulls players for talking back to an assistant coach. Apparently it's not the first of his problems either, as he has been late several times this year and was criticized earlier in the year by former coach Skiles for some comments he made after a loss he was DNP-CD'ed in. I didn't really expect that from Noah, but looks like he's got some maturing to do.

Also, Bynum is out for 8 weeks with knee issues which figures to pretty much put an end to the great basketball the Lakers have been playing.

So is this a case of Noah getting the blame for a horrific season so far? I am not surprised by Noah's actions as he has proven to be capable of over the top behavior. It seems to be that Noah is being made a scapegoat. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Jay Mariotti

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/739926,mariotti011408c2.article

[Chief Rum]

I (and others here) predicted he would be an awful player for being a lottery pick back in the draft thread months ago. It was painfully obvious to me then, and it still is now.

[miami_fan]

Well that goes without saying.

[sterlingice]

Well, anyone who watched college ball knew he was a whiny bitch

SI

[Chief Rum]

That's the thing. It was so freakin' obvious. I kept trying to figure out for months why scouts rated him so high.

[Groundhog]

I knew he wouldn't be a "lottery player" (ie. potential star), but I thought he'd be (and still do) an "energy guy" role player like Anderson Varejao. Not a good fit for what Chicago needed and thus a bad pick for them, but he'd help a number of teams lower in the 1st round.

What I didn't expect to see was him causing so many problems early on, but I guess you can never tell with guys once they hit the NBA, because it's not like Noah and co have ever had to suffer through being on bad teams before.

[Neon_Chaos]

So is this a case of Noah getting the blame for a horrific season so far? I am not surprised by Noah's actions as he has proven to be capable of over the top behavior. It seems to be that Noah is being made a scapegoat. As much as it pains me to say it, I agree with Jay Mariotti

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/mariotti/739926,mariotti011408c2.article

I actually think this is a good thing for the Bulls, and echo Adrian Wojnarowski's sentiments.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ai5uenSo4bNRPP2CzwW4BpC8vLYF?slug=aw-noah011408&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Groundhog]

Um, wow. I just checked the NBA standings and the Lakers are the best team in the West. That figures to change with Bynum out for a while yet, but if the regular season ended today and there were no playoff rounds, we'd have ourselves a Lakers-Celtics final!

[Lathum]

I am far from an NBA fan and follower but isn't it time for Shaq to retire?

[bosshogg23]

I am far from an NBA fan and follower but isn't it time for Shaq to retire?

He makes 20 mill/year through 09/10 so probably not ;)

[Groundhog]

I am far from an NBA fan and follower but isn't it time for Shaq to retire?

After watching the Heat play far too many times this season (thanks ESPN!), I'm fairly sure he already has.

[Lathum]

lol

[MrBug708]

Go Lakers. :)

The West's #8 seed could very well be playing .600 ball by the time the playoffs come.

[Groundhog]

Go Lakers. :)

The West's #8 seed could very well be playing .600 ball by the time the playoffs come.

I've really enjoyed watching the Lakers this year, even without Bynum. They've been playing a pretty solid, team-orientated brand of bball.

[mckerney]

Somebody please make Corey Brewer, Kevin McHale, Glen Taylor, Randy Foye, Gerald Green and Marco Jaric all go away.

[MikeVic]

http://www.nba.com/games/20080127/NYKGSW/boxscore.html

26 rebounds, nice.

[Chief Rum]

Can someone explain to me how Camby and Chandler get to even All Star snub status, but Kaman doesn't even get mentioned? Do the writers covering the sport even bother to pay any attention to any team that doesn't have a superstar or isn't a lock for the playoffs?

[Schmidty]

Hey CR, that was a great game, I must admit. Pistons played like crap the second half, and Kobe was......good. I hate saying that.

Oh, and that goaltending at the end was kind of a factor.....

[larrymcg421]

Rondo just punked Nowitzki on the boards. Celts (without Garnett) up by 4 with 10 seconds left.

[Chief Rum]

Hey CR, that was a great game, I must admit. Pistons played like crap the second half, and Kobe was......good. I hate saying that.

Oh, and that goaltending at the end was kind of a factor.....

Hate to say it, but I actually missed the game. Between running Werewolf and doing stuff around the place, I forgot to turn it on (but then I am a Clippers fan first...). I have been waiting for the UCLA game.

Now I'll have to go find highlights. And, yeah, I think that Bryant character might make a name for himself in this game.

Here's the crappy news for us locally. Local sports talk radio will now be split between more boring Super Bowl hype and talk about this game, meaning absolutely nothing else will be discussed at all and making my hour long commute torturous in the afternoon (in the mornings I am listening to national shows, so I generally only have to listen to the Super Bowl hype).

[Chief Rum]

Rondo just punked Nowitzki on the boards. Celts (without Garnett) up by 4 with 10 seconds left.

Heh...either way, I get a board for my fantasy team!

[cartman]

Pau Gasol to the Lakers is a big surprise. This definitely helps them out this season.

hxxp://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/feb/01/gasol-traded-lakers/

[rjolley]

Big pickup for the Lakers. Shame the Bulls couldn't get it done. Gasol would've been the low post scoring threat they need, even if it meant moving Noccioni(sp?) or Gordon.

[Warhammer]

I'm actually surprised that the Griz got what they did for him. Two #1s is more than I expected.

[Young Drachma]

Wow, big pickup for the Lakers. Kobe must be stoked.

[Groundhog]

Two #1s is biggish, but they'll probably be mid-to-late picks. I'm surprised they didn't have to give up Odom.

I actually think this is a pretty damn good trade for the Lakers.

[MrBug708]

Lakers rotation looks to be very scary right now

Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Kobe
Fisher

That's a hell of starting 5

[miami_fan]

Two #1s is biggish, but they'll probably be mid-to-late picks. I'm surprised they didn't have to give up Odom.

I actually think this is a pretty damn good trade for the Lakers.

+1

Nice deal for the Lakers

[Eaglesfan27]

+1

Nice deal for the Lakers

+2. Ugh.

[Young Drachma]

Bill Walton is so annoying.

[Arles]

Lakers may be the favorite in the West after this deal. Although, NO looks pretty scary right now too.

[Atocep]

I'm actually surprised that the Griz got what they did for him. Two #1s is more than I expected.

I agree. Definitely a need move by the Lakers and a nice one, but they certainly didn't get him cheap.

[miami_fan]

BTW I like the deal from Memphis's perspective as well. Win-win deal for both teams.

[Young Drachma]

I liked Kobe's comments about the deal, basically realizing that the onus is now on him to deliver and they were smart to recognize that with San Antonio banged up and no real clear favourite in the West, that this was their time to go ahead and try to make something happen deep into the playoffs. Should be fun to watch down the stretch, especially with Boston doing what they're doing.

[bhlloy]

Lakers rotation looks to be very scary right now

Bynum
Gasol
Odom
Kobe
Fisher

That's a hell of starting 5

Not a lot of shots for Odom in that lineup. A lot of Lakers fans at work hope he gets dealt for a more defensively minded SF.

[Groundhog]

Not a lot of shots for Odom in that lineup. A lot of Lakers fans at work hope he gets dealt for a more defensively minded SF.

I don't know. Odom gives them a lot of things outside of scoring that not many other SFs can.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Should be fun to watch down the stretch, especially with Boston doing what they're doing.

There would be worse things for the NBA than revisiting the Lakers-Celtics rivalry.

[MrBug708]

Not a lot of shots for Odom in that lineup. A lot of Lakers fans at work hope he gets dealt for a more defensively minded SF.

I thinkt he belief is that Ariza will come in and give them some defensive minutes at the SF. Luke Walton was def. the loser of this deal

[Neon_Chaos]

Nice deal for both teams and almost everyone involved.

I think the only individuals getting slighted are Kwame and Crittenton.

But, man, it's put up or shut up time for Kobe. They got him a solid big man to run with... let's see how he responds.

[nfg22]

I think the lakers might be better than boston, and mabe for years to come. The triangle with bynum, gasol and kobe is better than what phil had in chicago. I know jordan was better but overall I think those three are huge. Of course odom might ruin it all if he doesnt gel with reduced role. Imagine going from a legit 2 to what looks like a 4 in a month.

[Groundhog]

Nice deal for both teams and almost everyone involved.

I think the only individuals getting slighted are Kwame and Crittenton.

But, man, it's put up or shut up time for Kobe. They got him a solid big man to run with... let's see how he responds.

The Grizzlies now have three decent youngsters at PG with Lowry, Conley, and Crittenton.

As for Kobe, well, he's already had a pretty good big man to run with for most of the year, and the results were pretty darn good.

[ace1914]

I think the lakers might be better than boston.

Uh...no. The Lakers are the 4th best team in the league behind, Boston, Detroit, and Utah even with Gasol.

[nfg22]

Problem...Lakers had a better record than two of those teams when they had Bynum...when Bynum gets back its pretty easy to say they will be better than all of the last 3 and maybe even Boston.

[Neon_Chaos]

Uh...no. The Lakers are the 4th best team in the league behind, Boston, Detroit, and Utah even with Gasol.

Detroit and Utah!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Hahahahaha.

Good one there.

[bhlloy]

I don't know. Odom gives them a lot of things outside of scoring that not many other SFs can.

When he wants to, Odom is a good rebounder and decent defender. The key is "when he wants to". As somebody mentioned, Lamar is probably now the 4th option on offense (When Bynum gets back anyway) on this team. He has shown absolutely nothing in his career to make me believe that he is going to be happy with his reduced role.

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense to move him now. Try to get a good, young defensive SF you can platoon with Ariza. You don't need much more scoring with Kobe, Gasol and Bynum and all the guys they have coming off the bench.

[nfg22]

maybe odom for Corey Brewer, Randy foye, ratliff and a 2nd rounder? Of course im a Minnesota fan. Then again Im tired and that doesnt look good for either team...I basically just am throwing it out there...

[MrBug708]

maybe odom for Corey Brewer, Randy foye, ratliff and a 2nd rounder? Of course im a Minnesota fan. Then again Im tired and that doesnt look good for either team...I basically just am throwing it out there...

I'd do that if I were the Lakers. They need a true backup at the 5, Foye and Brewer too?

I think Lamar will be fine with the fourth option at this point. Hell, he didn't care about going from second to third option this year and it would be nice to see if he gets pissed and shows some fire.

[MikeVic]

I think the lakers might be better than boston, and mabe for years to come. The triangle with bynum, gasol and kobe is better than what phil had in chicago. I know jordan was better but overall I think those three are huge. Of course odom might ruin it all if he doesnt gel with reduced role. Imagine going from a legit 2 to what looks like a 4 in a month.

Are you saying the Lakers are better than the Jordan Bulls? Or just that you think they have better pieces to run the triangle?

[nfg22]

Are you saying the Lakers are better than the Jordan Bulls? Or just that you think they have better pieces to run the triangle?

Just a better triangle.

[watravaler]

Nice deal from Memphis' perspective? I'm beyond pissed, they sold Gasol, an elite big man entering the prime of his career with a reasonable contract, for 1c on the dollar. Those draft picks are crap, as are any late 1st rounders due to the guarenteed contracts, and Crittendon and Gasol will both be lucky to be in the league 5 years from now. I think they could have received a better deal from EVERY other team in the league. These kind of deals are terrible for the sport, but good for Stern, of course...

[korme]

Got to like (and be surprised on the whole this year) what the Lakeshow have done.

[Warhammer]

Nice deal from Memphis' perspective? I'm beyond pissed, they sold Gasol, an elite big man entering the prime of his career with a reasonable contract, for 1c on the dollar. Those draft picks are crap, as are any late 1st rounders due to the guarenteed contracts, and Crittendon and Gasol will both be lucky to be in the league 5 years from now. I think they could have received a better deal from EVERY other team in the league. These kind of deals are terrible for the sport, but good for Stern, of course...

Draft picks are what the team needs. How good was Gasol? He was a soft player that averaged 19-21 PPG and 8-9 RPG. The guy whined about not being surrounded by talent when he did nothing to really help the situation. What about defense? He looked like he had a cape and a sword and just let the bulls he was guarding go straight to the basket. He got max money, but he is not a max money player. Let's not forget, they were 3-3 on the year with no Gasol. Additionally, would Gasol let the team become Gay's team? I'm not so sure. Might as well deal a malcontent rather than let him influence the young core they are developing.

Crittendon gives them a good young PG with some potential. Sure, they have two other promising young PGs, but that enables them to trade one of the PGs for some other pieces.

The move that makes no sense for me is dealing Swift for Collins. With Gasol out of the lineup, you could put a team on the floor that could absolutely fly up and down the court.

What the Grizzlies need is a player along the lines of a Shane Battier. I think moving Battier for Gay was the right move, but they need a player like Battier to provide some solid defense and intangibles.

[korme]

Dude why is no one talking about Chris Webber to the Oakland Warriors?

[Brian Swartz]

Because it's not a particularly important move. Webber is done and won't help GS much, espescially with the style they play, and the Warriors aren't as good as they were last year with Jason Richardson gone, so it's really a non-issue unless you are a GS fan.

[Chief Rum]

Uh...no. The Lakers are the 4th best team in the league behind, Boston, Detroit, and Utah even with Gasol.

lol...Utah?

Lemme guess, you have a purple gunrack signed by Karl Malone in the back of your pickup, don't you?

[Atocep]

Nice deal from Memphis' perspective? I'm beyond pissed, they sold Gasol, an elite big man entering the prime of his career with a reasonable contract, for 1c on the dollar. Those draft picks are crap, as are any late 1st rounders due to the guarenteed contracts, and Crittendon and Gasol will both be lucky to be in the league 5 years from now. I think they could have received a better deal from EVERY other team in the league. These kind of deals are terrible for the sport, but good for Stern, of course...


Crittendon is going to add backcourt depth, nothing more unless his development spikes. The two draft picks are going to be in the 20s and offer good value and draft flexibility.

Where this trade is fantastic for the Grizzlies is after this season they have enough room to go after a restricted free agent or 2. Someone like an Iguodala, Monta Ellis or Biedrins. So you can't look at the deal being Kwame, 2 draft picks, and Crittendon. Instead it should be seen as whoever they get with the added cap room, 2 draft picks, and Crittendon.

The Grizzlies were going nowhere with Gasol. That point has been driven into the ground over the past 6.5 seasons. They have a nice combo in Rudy Gay and Mike Conley and it just doesn't makes sense to pay Gasol what he makes over the next couple years as you wait for those two to hit their peak. Now they can add a player either this offseason or next that will be able to compliment those two while they're playing at their peaks.

I'm sure the Grizzlies could have gotten a deal that made them a better team right now, but in the Western Conference exactly what does that get them? 30 wins instead of 25?

[korme]

Because it's not a particularly important move. Webber is done and won't help GS much, espescially with the style they play, and the Warriors aren't as good as they were last year with Jason Richardson gone, so it's really a non-issue unless you are a GS fan.

I need to work on my sarcasm

[Icy]

Great news for the Spanish fans like me, as we have now a player in a possible title contender, besides Calderon in Toronto that is more a "maye playoffs" team than a real title contenders.

Let's see what can do Gasol now surrounded by better players as he wanted. It must help Kobe a lot as Gasol is not the usual PF but more of a playmaker who can help Kobe a lot.

[nfg22]

Great news for the Spanish fans like me, as we have now a player in a possible title contender, besides Calderon in Toronto that is more a "maye playoffs" team than a real title contenders.

Let's see what can do Gasol now surrounded by better players as he wanted. It must help Kobe a lot as Gasol is not the usual PF but more of a playmaker who can help Kobe a lot.

The thing about Gasol for Kobe at least is the versatility he brings. He is a good, and maybe better, passer. He can bang down low a little but prefers the high post. For Kobe this is key as the triangle works off of passing and versatility. With Bynum on the low post, Gasol on the high post, a Kobe wherever he wants, this brings a new dimension. Add in Odom who can drive and shoot. Then the 3pt shooters in Walton, Fisher, Farmar, Radmonovic. Energy and hustle in Turiaf. They have a lot versatility and Gasol will really look to open it up more.

[MrBug708]

Speaking of the Lakers, they cruised today against the District.

Looking at the Shaq trade, they traded Shaq for Gasol, Odom, and Farmar

[nfg22]

Speaking of the Lakers, they cruised today against the District.

Looking at the Shaq trade, they traded Shaq for Gasol, Odom, and Farmar

I was under the impression that somehow the Bynum pick came from that too, either from Miami directly or from the Butler trade.

[Chief Rum]

I was under the impression that somehow the Bynum pick came from that too, either from Miami directly or from the Butler trade.

Nope, the Lakers picking #10 or #11 or whatever it was came from them sucking.

[nfg22]

Nope, the Lakers picking #10 or #11 or whatever it was came from them sucking.

Your right...I just checked. Thanks for the correction.

[stevew]

Almost makes up for the Kwame for Caron Butler brainfart.

[MrBug708]

Almost makes up for the Kwame for Caron Butler brainfart.

Eh, I could see the reasoning for it, but I guess Mitch had to see Kwame up close.

The pick the Lakers got from Miami was what turned into Jordan Farmar

[nfg22]

Eh, I could see the reasoning for it, but I guess Mitch had to see Kwame up close.

The pick the Lakers got from Miami was what turned into Jordan Farmar

I honestly liked Crittenton better than Farmar but I didnt really see either enough to know.

[MrBug708]

He's a solid PG and will probably take over for D-Fish when he's done

[Neon_Chaos]

Kwame is useful afterall. :)

[Neon_Chaos]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1RSByXfL4dU

:) Gave me a good chuckle.

[Eaglesfan27]

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

[Atocep]

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

Are they just going to keep Shaq on the offensive end and play 4 on 5 defense?

Seems horrible for Phoenix. Nash could have the Suns up and down the floor 3-4 times in the time it takes Shaq to go from one end of the floor to the other.

[Groundhog]

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

I would be beyond shocked if Phoenix make that trade. Makes zero sense to me.

[nfg22]

Interesting rumor heating up:

Shaq to Phoenix for Marion and spare parts to make it work.

Why would Pheonix do this? The Wolves already have Miami's conditional pick this year. I dont know if Miami could trade away the other half of the pick.

Again, Why would Pheonix do this?

[Eaglesfan27]

I could see Phoenix doing it because Cuban has always been fascinated by Shaq. Also, while Shaq obviously can't run with Phoenix he would provide an additional presence in the halfcourt game for the playoffs.

[nfg22]

I could see Phoenix doing it because Cuban has always been fascinated by Shaq. Also, while Shaq obviously can't run with Phoenix he would provide an additional presence in the halfcourt game for the playoffs.

Three reasons this is wrong.

1. Marion could be traded elsewhere for better, at least.
2. Cuban owns the Mav's
3. The owner is afraid of spending, Shaq makes more and longer that Marion. The contract is the sole reaosn they want to trade him.

[Eaglesfan27]

Three reasons this is wrong.

1. Marion could be traded elsewhere for better, at least.
2. Cuban owns the Mav's
3. Coangelo is afraid of spending, Shaq makes more and longer that Marion. The contract is the sole reaosn they want to trade him.

Ok, that is embarassing. I don't know why I was thinking Cuban and the Suns as I know he is the owner of the Mavs. Anyway, Marion clearly wants to be traded and while Shaq is old and slow, he is still a strong interior presence that could be a big help to Amare in the playoffs. I could see it making some sense for the Suns.

Edit: I think Marion's Trade value is hurt by his well known desire to be traded, to some extent at least.

[nfg22]

Ok, that is embarassing. I don't know why I was thinking Cuban and the Suns as I know he is the owner of the Mavs. Anyway, Marion clearly wants to be traded and while Shaq is old and slow, he is still a strong interior presence that could be a big help to Amare in the playoffs. I could see it making some sense for the Suns.

Edit: I think Marion's Trade value is hurt by his well known desire to be traded, to some extent at least.

The main problem is Shaq's extra salary. It is 4 mil more and it goes will 2010.

[nfg22]

Also where did you get this rumor? I had it texted to me from ESPN but cant find it on their web page.

[Groundhog]

I'd have figured they could get much more useful parts for Marion.

[nfg22]

I personally wouldnt have traded Micheal Olawakandi for Shaq....ok that is a lie I would. But seriously Shaq is washed UP!

[Eaglesfan27]

Also where did you get this rumor? I had it texted to me from ESPN but cant find it on their web page.

A friend of mine IM'd it to me when we were chatting about college recruiting. I'm not sure where he got it from, I'll ask him when he gets back from dinner.

Edit: He heard it from ESPN as well.

[Groundhog]

In other news, the Cavs somehow managed to score 36 points in a quarter, and LeBron is well on his way to a triple double with 8 mins left in the second Q.

[Chief Rum]

A friend of mine IM'd it to me when we were chatting about college recruiting. I'm not sure where he got it from, I'll ask him when he gets back from dinner.

Edit: He heard it from ESPN as well.

It's a phone text virus called the SSNATI (Stupid Sports Network Analyst Trade Idea) virus.

[Atocep]

According to ESPN now, the Miami front office is confident a deal will get done with Phoenix.

I can't believe Phoenix would even consider this move. Wanting to improve in the half court or not, he's a horrid fit there.

[miami_fan]

According to ESPN now, the Miami front office is confident a deal will get done with Phoenix.

I can't believe Phoenix would even consider this move. Wanting to improve in the half court or not, he's a horrid fit there.

Of course the Heat front office is confident this will happen. If it does Pat Riley deserve to win Executive of the Year this year.

[Groundhog]

If Phoenix is willing to make that deal, maybe the Heat could try and get them to include Nash, Stoudamire, and three first rounders as a sweetener?

[miami_fan]

Who is handling personnel for the Suns? D'Antoni or Steve Kerr?

[stevew]

In other news, the Cavs somehow managed to score 36 points in a quarter, and LeBron is well on his way to a triple double with 8 mins left in the second Q.

I was there tonight, and the team looked very good. They desperately need a post player worth a damn or Gooden/Z to develop a post game, as the Celtics will be in the way in the playoffs. And the Celtics are not deep in the middle at all. There were some amazing dunks. Hell, when you get 15 out of Newble, you know you're in good shape. Bron just couldn't get that 10th board, althoug he could have had several more assists if guys would hit wide-open jumpers.

Hopefully they will figure out a way to make a Mike Miller trade, the guy would be huge here.

In true Drew Gooden style, he had an amazing putback dunk over someone, and managed to hurt himself in the process. Hopefully it was nothing serious, so he can be traded soon.

[Jas_lov]

If Phoenix is willing to make that deal, maybe the Heat could try and get them to include Nash, Stoudamire, and three first rounders as a sweetener?

LOL! What the hell are they thinking? How does Shaq fit into the Suns offense? He's fat and slow. And for Shawn Marion. Was he pissed at the team or something? It just doesn't make sense.

[stevew]

I keep wondering if there are some buyout provisions in Shaqs contract that we don't know about. Otherwise this one is really puzzling to me. If the Suns were including Diaw, then it makes a ton more sense(trade works if it's Diaw plus Marion for Shaq + Smush Parker)

[Chief Rum]

Are they just going to keep Shaq on the offensive end and play 4 on 5 defense?

Still better defense that way than with Diaw on the floor. :)

[Young Drachma]

Marion is gonna make D-Wade really happy.

[nfg22]

LOLZORS....This really happened. Just confirmed through ESPN. The Suns just went down the crapper and Miami looks alot better.

[Neon_Chaos]

LOL! What the hell are they thinking? How does Shaq fit into the Suns offense? He's fat and slow. And for Shawn Marion. Was he pissed at the team or something? It just doesn't make sense.

Marion has had grumblings since training camps that he wants to be traded out of Phoenix.

[Neon_Chaos]

It's almost done.

Dear God.

[Neon_Chaos]

Ok. Let's take a look at it from a rational perspective.

Sure, they are going to lose a lot talent-wise and cap-wise. However, they do get a true center. Flawed? Old? Yes. But a true 5, nontheless. Kerr probably thinks that Diaw can fill in Marion at the 3, with Stoudamire finally playing his natural 4, and Shaq at the 5. They must be pretty confident about Steve Nash's ability to bring Shaq into the offense, then.

But... wow, just wow.

[nfg22]

How does this in anyway help the suns?

[nfg22]

Shaq will clog the middle. Nash thrives off drive and kick. Oh yeah and Shaq has very little post game outside of dunks and putbacks.

[Groundhog]

If this trade does indeed go down, I honestly don't know what to think. No stupider trade comes to mind straight away. Did Isaiah Thomas sneak in to the Suns' GM chair?

[Neon_Chaos]

Trade is a done deal, pending Shaq's physical

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoC89ufxvTofq_ygrsFZlfu8vLYF?slug=jy-shaqdeal020508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Neon_Chaos]

God have mercy on Steve Kerr.

[Brian Swartz]

Totally agree. D'Antoni must be livid inside. I don't think they would have won the title this year, but I think he finally got it after the series with the Spurs last year, talking about the need to stick to doing the things they do well to give themselves the best possible chance. Adding Grant Hill was a positive move in that direction. And then this ...

Trying to match up with Stoudemire and Marion for their big guys was every top opponents nightmare. They don't have to worry about it anymore assuming this stands. Just flat-out unbelievable.

Oh and on the Cavs -- they are still a threat in the East. I don't care what Barkley says. Defense + rebounding + LeBron isn't an easy out in the playoffs for many teams. And I don't see them getting anything for Gooden worth giving up what he gives them(a complete lack of sense, rebounding, mid-range game).

[Neon_Chaos]

I hope, for the sake of the Suns' title hopes (not at the expense of the Lakeshow boo-yah!) that this actually works for them.

[nfg22]

Did the Lakers just get even better?

[Groundhog]

Did the Lakers just get even better?

Every contender in the West just got better.

Meanwhile, the Heat have gone from abysmal to bad, though with a brighter looking horizon.

[JeeberD]

This just made me smile... :)

[bulletsponge]

wow. i thought this was just another stupid ESPN rumor. Steve kerr is desperatly trying to compete with McHale and Thomas for worst GM in the NBA. there had to be some half decent center out there he could have traded for

[MikeVic]

WHAT THE HELL! Man do I hate Shaq. I don't know if the powers of Nash and Hill can make me still cheer for the Suns.

How can Shaq pass his physical though? I thought he was done.

[Subby]

Great trade for the Suns. When Shaq is motivated and on a contending team and getting the fed the ball he steps it up. Suns weren't winning it all with Marion, so the change works.

Say what you will about Shaq, but he's been to the Finals six times. Give him a good supporting cast and I think he can still be special.

[Eaglesfan27]

Great trade for the Suns. When Shaq is motivated and on a contending team and getting the fed the ball he steps it up. Suns weren't winning it all with Marion, so the change works.

Say what you will about Shaq, but he's been to the Finals six times. Give him a good supporting cast and I think he can still be special.

I'm not sure I'd go quite this far, but I disagree with those who think it is a terrible trade for Phoenix. I think he can still be a contributor to a Championship team and Phoenix has failed to win multiple times with Marion and the current crew.

[MikeVic]

But but, I don't like Shaq and do like Marion, so now my 2nd favourite team may no longer be my 2nd favourite team. But Nash is still there so...

[Anthony]

I'm not sure I'd go quite this far, but I disagree with those who think it is a terrible trade for Phoenix. I think he can still be a contributor to a Championship team and Phoenix has failed to win multiple times with Marion and the current crew.

that doesn't mean you make a trade that doesn't improve your team, even if it's only a financial/salary cap improvement. this trade doesn't make sense. Marion for Kirilenko was oodles better. if this was Shaq from 5 years ago and you know you have a small window - yeah, maybe you give up Marion to try to win it all. we're talking about Shaq, the guy many were inquiring if he was gonna retire. he's not athletic enough to be the shotblocker he used to be. he's just a guy biding his time, playing out his contract. this is not an improvement for the Suns. Shaq and Haslem for Marion would've made more sense.

why are people like Kerr and Isaiah allowed to run teams? i have as much know-how and experience running a team that they had when they were given those positions.

Kerr: "we haven't won anything with Marion. i'm going to get him off the team and make the team worse off."